Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 18, 2018, 09:56:16 PM
Let’s start with their deep understanding of economics!
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/07/18/ocasio-cortez_unemployment_is_low_because_everyone_has_two_jobs.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/07/18/ocasio-cortez_unemployment_is_low_because_everyone_has_two_jobs.html)
“Unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs.”
Post by: Kat Kid on July 18, 2018, 09:58:17 PM
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Post by: sys on July 18, 2018, 10:01:09 PM
Post by: sys on July 18, 2018, 10:02:58 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 18, 2018, 10:05:38 PM
crowley should general aoc, though. ridiculous that she gets in with 16k votes.
The incredibly anti-democratic primary system was constructed to protect people like Crowley and he still got owned.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 18, 2018, 10:38:04 PM
No capitalism allowed here, boys and girls. This thread is all about the New Face Of The Democratic Party TM.
Let’s start with their deep understanding of economics!
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/07/18/ocasio-cortez_unemployment_is_low_because_everyone_has_two_jobs.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/07/18/ocasio-cortez_unemployment_is_low_because_everyone_has_two_jobs.html)
“Unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs.”
That person is legit Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Her interview about the Israeli occupation of Palestine was :lol: :crazy:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 18, 2018, 10:39:09 PM
Post by: sys on July 18, 2018, 11:46:02 PM
The incredibly anti-democratic primary system was constructed to protect people like Crowley and he still got owned.
hopefully they change it now that they see it can be used against them as easily as by them.
Post by: Woogy on July 19, 2018, 09:06:32 AM
No capitalism allowed here, boys and girls. This thread is all about the New Face Of The Democratic Party TM.
Let’s start with their deep understanding of economics!
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/07/18/ocasio-cortez_unemployment_is_low_because_everyone_has_two_jobs.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/07/18/ocasio-cortez_unemployment_is_low_because_everyone_has_two_jobs.html)
“Unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs.”
That person is legit Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Her interview about the Israeli occupation of Palestine was :lol: :crazy:
Just think - This is what degrees in Economics *and* International Relations from Boston U provides you.
Post by: sys on July 19, 2018, 09:15:39 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 19, 2018, 09:17:54 AM
No capitalism allowed here, boys and girls. This thread is all about the New Face Of The Democratic Party TM.
Let’s start with their deep understanding of economics!
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/07/18/ocasio-cortez_unemployment_is_low_because_everyone_has_two_jobs.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/07/18/ocasio-cortez_unemployment_is_low_because_everyone_has_two_jobs.html)
“Unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs.”
Maybe she will start to figure things out after a couple of years in congress.
Post by: mocat on July 19, 2018, 10:57:57 AM
the idea that trump supporters think they have the credibility to criticize any politician's grasp of policy is mind-blowing.
"trump supporter" is not the preferred nomenclature dude
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 19, 2018, 03:39:29 PM
the idea that trump supporters think they have the credibility to criticize any politician's grasp of policy is mind-blowing.
"trump supporter" is not the preferred nomenclature dude
:thumbs: :lol:
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 19, 2018, 08:34:48 PM
http://www.kake.com/story/38686167/bernie-sanders-rally-for-james-thompson-moved-to-century-ii (http://www.kake.com/story/38686167/bernie-sanders-rally-for-james-thompson-moved-to-century-ii)
Omg the people watching, the economic illiteracy, the craziness. Will there be pussy hats?!
Post by: steve dave on July 19, 2018, 09:16:11 PM
Post by: sys on July 19, 2018, 09:23:21 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 20, 2018, 02:24:58 PM
1. Got there just a few minutes past 1, after everyone had filtered inside. Not a single protester outside. Struck me as a little ironic. At a Trump rally there would have been all sorts of crazies outside. Here they all go inside and everyone else just kind of goes about their day.
2. Very little trash outside. Good job guys!
3. Talked to the vendor selling Bern swag outside for a few minutes. Made the standard lame joke about whether he was "feeling the Bern" in this 100 degree heat. I asked if he'd gotten some good business before the doors opened. He said "no, not a good money event." :lol: Eff'ng capitalist.
4. As I enter the lobby, I'm immediately approached by a dude with a petition gathering signatures to get Greg Orman on the ballot. :lol: I gladly signed. Brazen.
5. No line at security because most everyone was already at their seats. The event was 90% full - I'd guess maybe 4 or 5,000 for the auditorium?
6. Attendees were whiter and older than I expected. You could almost confuse them with the GOP rally except that this one swayed much more female, and I've never seen so many sandals and wire/horn-rim glasses in my life. Holy hipster.
7. Alexandria has crazy eyes. That is not a made up twitter thing. She looks like the hot girl in college that you kinda wanted to date but kinda suspected was a nut job. Also, I was expecting a Bronx / Puerto Rican accent. Nope - straight up flat Sandra Bullock.
8. Stayed for a few minutes of Sandra's speech. Very boring. Crowd seemed more excited about her just being her than in anything she had to say. Something about her 5th grade teacher being a native Kansas blah blah blah.
9. As I was leaving, I was approached by a guy working for Thompson's campaign. He wanted to know if I was with the Estes campaign. I said no - just came to see the show. He was kinda suspicious because he saw me sign the Orman petition (also, no sandels or hornrim glasses). Had a nice conversation with him. I remarked that it was an interesting choice bringing two far left candidates to a right-leaning district to stump for Thompson. He responded that nobody bats an eye when Estes brings far right candidates to stump for him. I responded well, yeah, but it's a right-leaning district. Anyway, wished him luck and headed back to work.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 20, 2018, 02:30:52 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 20, 2018, 02:33:35 PM
Swung by the rally today for about half an hour. Observations....
1. Got there just a few minutes past 1, after everyone had filtered inside. Not a single protester outside. Struck me as a little ironic. At a Trump rally there would have been all sorts of crazies outside. Here they all go inside and everyone else just kind of goes about their day.
2. Very little trash outside. Good job guys!
3. Talked to the vendor selling Bern swag outside for a few minutes. Made the standard lame joke about whether he was "feeling the Bern" in this 100 degree heat. I asked if he'd gotten some good business before the doors opened. He said "no, not a good money event." :lol: Eff'ng capitalist.
4. As I enter the lobby, I'm immediately approached by a dude with a petition gathering signatures to get Greg Orman on the ballot. :lol: I gladly signed. Brazen.
5. No line at security because most everyone was already at their seats. The event was 90% full - I'd guess maybe 4 or 5,000 for the auditorium?
6. Attendees were whiter and older than I expected. You could almost confuse them with the GOP rally except that this one swayed much more female, and I've never seen so many sandals and wire/horn-rim glasses in my life. Holy hipster.
7. Alexandria has crazy eyes. That is not a made up twitter thing. She looks like the hot girl in college that you kinda wanted to date but kinda suspected was a nut job. Also, I was expecting a Bronx / Puerto Rican accent. Nope - straight up flat Sandra Bullock.
8. Stayed for a few minutes of Sandra's speech. Very boring. Crowd seemed more excited about her just being her than in anything she had to say. Something about her 5th grade teacher being a native Kansas blah blah blah.
9. As I was leaving, I was approached by a guy working for Thompson's campaign. He wanted to know if I was with the Estes campaign. I said no - just came to see the show. He was kinda suspicious because he saw me sign the Orman petition (also, no sandels or hornrim glasses). Had a nice conversation with him. I remarked that it was an interesting choice bringing two far left candidates to a right-leaning district to stump for Thompson. He responded that nobody bats an eye when Estes brings far right candidates to stump for him. I responded well, yeah, but it's a right-leaning district. Anyway, wished him luck and headed back to work.
This is exactly as I expected, epecially the nosey parkers hitting you up in the lobby lol
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 20, 2018, 02:35:50 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 20, 2018, 03:13:56 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 20, 2018, 03:31:13 PM
you live in Wichita?!
Yup.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 20, 2018, 03:33:28 PM
Bernie beat Hillary in Kansas, so it's not that weird that a candidate would bring in the socialists to stump for them.
That's really not saying much, tho, is it?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 20, 2018, 03:44:12 PM
Bernie beat Hillary in Kansas, so it's not that weird that a candidate would bring in the socialists to stump for them.
That's really not saying much, tho, is it?
:dunno:
Hillary isn't likable, but she's much more conservative than Bernie.
Post by: steve dave on July 20, 2018, 04:00:10 PM
Swung by the rally today for about half an hour. Observations....
1. Got there just a few minutes past 1, after everyone had filtered inside. Not a single protester outside. Struck me as a little ironic. At a Trump rally there would have been all sorts of crazies outside. Here they all go inside and everyone else just kind of goes about their day.
2. Very little trash outside. Good job guys!
3. Talked to the vendor selling Bern swag outside for a few minutes. Made the standard lame joke about whether he was "feeling the Bern" in this 100 degree heat. I asked if he'd gotten some good business before the doors opened. He said "no, not a good money event." :lol: Eff'ng capitalist.
4. As I enter the lobby, I'm immediately approached by a dude with a petition gathering signatures to get Greg Orman on the ballot. :lol: I gladly signed. Brazen.
5. No line at security because most everyone was already at their seats. The event was 90% full - I'd guess maybe 4 or 5,000 for the auditorium?
6. Attendees were whiter and older than I expected. You could almost confuse them with the GOP rally except that this one swayed much more female, and I've never seen so many sandals and wire/horn-rim glasses in my life. Holy hipster.
7. Alexandria has crazy eyes. That is not a made up twitter thing. She looks like the hot girl in college that you kinda wanted to date but kinda suspected was a nut job. Also, I was expecting a Bronx / Puerto Rican accent. Nope - straight up flat Sandra Bullock.
8. Stayed for a few minutes of Sandra's speech. Very boring. Crowd seemed more excited about her just being her than in anything she had to say. Something about her 5th grade teacher being a native Kansas blah blah blah.
9. As I was leaving, I was approached by a guy working for Thompson's campaign. He wanted to know if I was with the Estes campaign. I said no - just came to see the show. He was kinda suspicious because he saw me sign the Orman petition (also, no sandels or hornrim glasses). Had a nice conversation with him. I remarked that it was an interesting choice bringing two far left candidates to a right-leaning district to stump for Thompson. He responded that nobody bats an eye when Estes brings far right candidates to stump for him. I responded well, yeah, but it's a right-leaning district. Anyway, wished him luck and headed back to work.
nice work ksu-dub! YOU PROVED ME WRONG! also great detailed reporting on the event.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 20, 2018, 04:05:27 PM
Seems like a lot of FBI activity around the multi-millionaire Socialist Politician Bernie Sanders.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 20, 2018, 04:13:58 PM
Wasn't multi-millionaire Socialist Bernie Sanders campaign guy in trouble or something?
Seems like a lot of FBI activity around the multi-millionaire Socialist Politician Bernie Sanders.
no, this was just one of those things you wished was true and so just decided to start saying.
Post by: Spracne on July 20, 2018, 04:38:10 PM
Swung by the rally today for about half an hour. Observations....
1. Got there just a few minutes past 1, after everyone had filtered inside. Not a single protester outside. Struck me as a little ironic. At a Trump rally there would have been all sorts of crazies outside. Here they all go inside and everyone else just kind of goes about their day.
2. Very little trash outside. Good job guys!
3. Talked to the vendor selling Bern swag outside for a few minutes. Made the standard lame joke about whether he was "feeling the Bern" in this 100 degree heat. I asked if he'd gotten some good business before the doors opened. He said "no, not a good money event." :lol: Eff'ng capitalist.
4. As I enter the lobby, I'm immediately approached by a dude with a petition gathering signatures to get Greg Orman on the ballot. :lol: I gladly signed. Brazen.
5. No line at security because most everyone was already at their seats. The event was 90% full - I'd guess maybe 4 or 5,000 for the auditorium?
6. Attendees were whiter and older than I expected. You could almost confuse them with the GOP rally except that this one swayed much more female, and I've never seen so many sandals and wire/horn-rim glasses in my life. Holy hipster.
7. Alexandria has crazy eyes. That is not a made up twitter thing. She looks like the hot girl in college that you kinda wanted to date but kinda suspected was a nut job. Also, I was expecting a Bronx / Puerto Rican accent. Nope - straight up flat Sandra Bullock.
8. Stayed for a few minutes of Sandra's speech. Very boring. Crowd seemed more excited about her just being her than in anything she had to say. Something about her 5th grade teacher being a native Kansas blah blah blah.
9. As I was leaving, I was approached by a guy working for Thompson's campaign. He wanted to know if I was with the Estes campaign. I said no - just came to see the show. He was kinda suspicious because he saw me sign the Orman petition (also, no sandels or hornrim glasses). Had a nice conversation with him. I remarked that it was an interesting choice bringing two far left candidates to a right-leaning district to stump for Thompson. He responded that nobody bats an eye when Estes brings far right candidates to stump for him. I responded well, yeah, but it's a right-leaning district. Anyway, wished him luck and headed back to work.
Wow, this is Hercules Mulligan level sleuthing! Thank you, brave patriot.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 20, 2018, 04:43:56 PM
Wasn't multi-millionaire Socialist Bernie Sanders campaign guy in trouble or something?
Seems like a lot of FBI activity around the multi-millionaire Socialist Politician Bernie Sanders.
no, this was just one of those things you wished was true and so just decided to start saying.
OOps, Bernie's Strategist, on the list in the Manafort case. Dude worked for the Party of Regions. Man Bernie and Hillary ties to the Party of Regions (Pro Kremlin).
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 20, 2018, 06:44:58 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 20, 2018, 07:19:43 PM
Actually there was a protester there.
Who?
I thought about setting up a table before the event asking for donations of toilet paper and bottled water for Venezuela, but I decided it was too risky just for a good laugh.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 20, 2018, 07:21:32 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 20, 2018, 08:55:32 PM
Saw a guy with a "draft bernie" bumper sticker today. No idea if that's pro or anti bern. LOL, at anyone who supports bernie tho. rough ridin' cook.
Is that how you think kook is spelled? :D
Btw, amazing reporting from my guy K-S-U-Dubz. 5/5 tacos.
Post by: sys on July 24, 2018, 10:13:50 AM
He had on a t-shirt that said "Socialism Sucks". He was standing outside right in front of the doors. Maybe he got bored and left by the time you got there.
sounds like the venezuela guy in this article?
https://twitter.com/bterris/status/1021721708544307200
Post by: michigancat on July 24, 2018, 11:00:49 AM
I seriously thought this lady was a parody but guess not
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 24, 2018, 01:38:25 PM
https://thinkprogress.org/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-virginia-kruta-fox-and-friends-daily-caller-rally-c7e6bd164cd1/
I seriously thought this lady was a parody but guess not
Nope, she's fo real. And she's AMAZING. :love:
[youtube]https://youtu.be/S3IQYNYD4zk[/youtube]
Post by: I_have_purplewood on July 24, 2018, 02:12:44 PM
https://thinkprogress.org/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-virginia-kruta-fox-and-friends-daily-caller-rally-c7e6bd164cd1/
I seriously thought this lady was a parody but guess not
Nope, she's fo real. And she's AMAZING. :love:
[youtube]https://youtu.be/S3IQYNYD4zk[/youtube]
I bet she makes a fantastic Long Island Ice Tea too!! :whistle1: (ftp://:whistle1:)
Post by: 8manpick on July 24, 2018, 02:27:45 PM
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1021746115014795264
Post by: I_have_purplewood on July 24, 2018, 02:37:55 PM
I mean Ocasio-Cortez sucks, but this fake interview circulating on social media is pretty sad
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1021746115014795264
It has gotten increasingly bad on both sides. It's unfortunate.
Post by: Institutional Control on July 24, 2018, 02:42:33 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/white-house-readies-plan-for-12-billion-in-emergency-aid-to-farmers-caught-in-trumps-escalating-trade-war/2018/07/24/7bec9af4-8f4d-11e8-b769-e3fff17f0689_story.html.
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Post by: Kat Kid on July 24, 2018, 03:06:05 PM
I mean Ocasio-Cortez sucks, but this fake interview circulating on social media is pretty sad
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1021746115014795264
Is your main complaint that she wants to redistribute your wealth?
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Post by: 8manpick on July 24, 2018, 03:12:03 PM
And limit my freedoms. And create more ways for the government to provide for people, overstepping its appropriate bounds.I mean Ocasio-Cortez sucks, but this fake interview circulating on social media is pretty sad
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1021746115014795264
Is your main complaint that she wants to redistribute your wealth?
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Post by: DQ12 on July 24, 2018, 03:37:39 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 24, 2018, 03:44:14 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 24, 2018, 04:06:26 PM
Most of the criticism that I see of her makes her look pretty good.
Like that video montage, amiright? She's the new intellectual luminary of the left. I think her new nickname Occasional-Cortex is very unfair.
Post by: DQ12 on July 24, 2018, 04:07:22 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 24, 2018, 04:16:17 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 24, 2018, 04:17:21 PM
Most of the criticism that I see of her makes her look pretty good.
Like that video montage, amiright? She's the new intellectual luminary of the left. I think her new nickname Occasional-Cortex is very unfair.
No, that video wasn't criticism. She makes herself look bad. The conservatives attacking her make her look good. I would vote for the socialist platform before I would vote for someone who views the platform on the below graphic as a bad thing.
(https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortez-platform-4.jpg)
Post by: catastrophe on July 24, 2018, 04:36:26 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 24, 2018, 04:58:00 PM
Most of the criticism that I see of her makes her look pretty good.
Like that video montage, amiright? She's the new intellectual luminary of the left. I think her new nickname Occasional-Cortex is very unfair.
No, that video wasn't criticism. She makes herself look bad. The conservatives attacking her make her look good. I would vote for the socialist platform before I would vote for someone who views the platform on the below graphic as a bad thing.
(https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortez-platform-4.jpg)
You can't be serious.
Medicare for All: Can't afford it. Even California scrapped their plans for universal healthcare when they got the cost estimates. And on top of the gobsmacking cost, the quality won't be Medicare For All. It will Medicaid For All, except even worse.
Housing as a Human Right: So again, completely asinine and unaffordable.
A Federal Jobs Guarantee: Yes, bloating our federal workforce with even more make-work jobs sounds like a wonderful idea.
Assault Weapons Ban: So ineffective and cosmetic that the last iteration was repealed on a bipartisan basis.
End Private Prisons? :lol: You mean the prisons that run far more efficiently than many state-run prisons?
Abolish ICE: Right, not enforcing borders is a great prescription for success, especially when you want to give everyone all the free crap listed here.
Solidarity with PR: Ok. I guess this means sending even more billions their way until they're less third world than before the hurricane hit.
Mobilizing Against Climate Change: :lol: Climate change. Still talking about that. I wonder how Occasional-Cortex and the Bern recently hopped around Kansas for fundraisers?
Ugh enough
Post by: catastrophe on July 24, 2018, 05:06:02 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 24, 2018, 05:09:22 PM
Most of the criticism that I see of her makes her look pretty good.
Like that video montage, amiright? She's the new intellectual luminary of the left. I think her new nickname Occasional-Cortex is very unfair.
No, that video wasn't criticism. She makes herself look bad. The conservatives attacking her make her look good. I would vote for the socialist platform before I would vote for someone who views the platform on the below graphic as a bad thing.
(https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortez-platform-4.jpg)
You can't be serious.
Medicare for All: Can't afford it. Even California scrapped their plans for universal healthcare when they got the cost estimates. And on top of the gobsmacking cost, the quality won't be Medicare For All. It will Medicaid For All, except even worse.
Housing as a Human Right: So again, completely asinine and unaffordable.
A Federal Jobs Guarantee: Yes, bloating our federal workforce with even more make-work jobs sounds like a wonderful idea.
Assault Weapons Ban: So ineffective and cosmetic that the last iteration was repealed on a bipartisan basis.
End Private Prisons? :lol: You mean the prisons that run far more efficiently than many state-run prisons?
Abolish ICE: Right, not enforcing borders is a great prescription for success, especially when you want to give everyone all the free crap listed here.
Solidarity with PR: Ok. I guess this means sending even more billions their way until they're less third world than before the hurricane hit.
Mobilizing Against Climate Change: :lol: Climate change. Still talking about that. I wonder how Occasional-Cortex and the Bern recently hopped around Kansas for fundraisers?
Ugh enough
She just looks better and better.
Post by: sys on July 24, 2018, 05:35:33 PM
Post by: michigancat on July 24, 2018, 07:31:24 PM
i may have to rethink socialism. i didn't realize the arguments against it were so specious.
I saw someone on twitter say AOC's talking points are pretty effective because she's forcing her opponents to argue things like workers don't deserve to be paid enough to pay for a place to live
Post by: wetwillie on July 24, 2018, 07:44:42 PM
Post by: catastrophe on July 24, 2018, 07:54:05 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 24, 2018, 07:56:43 PM
Post by: sys on July 24, 2018, 08:11:38 PM
i may have to rethink socialism. i didn't realize the arguments against it were so specious.
I saw someone on twitter say AOC's talking points are pretty effective because she's forcing her opponents to argue things like workers don't deserve to be paid enough to pay for a place to live
i was just making fun of ksu_.
Post by: michigancat on July 24, 2018, 08:32:54 PM
But stilli may have to rethink socialism. i didn't realize the arguments against it were so specious.
I saw someone on twitter say AOC's talking points are pretty effective because she's forcing her opponents to argue things like workers don't deserve to be paid enough to pay for a place to live
i was just making fun of ksu_.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 24, 2018, 08:49:05 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 24, 2018, 08:56:32 PM
Every item on the Cortez platform that Hannity argued against is a noble goal that our government should be working toward. The arguments should be how to achieve those goals. When you argue against the goals themselves, you just look ridiculous.
Yeah, but her emails.
Post by: 8manpick on July 24, 2018, 09:02:35 PM
Every item on the Cortez platform that Hannity argued against is a noble goal that our government should be working toward. The arguments should be how to achieve those goals. When you argue against the goals themselves, you just look ridiculous.Disagree. You can't argue much against the goals, most of them are great. However, you can certainly argue against the government's role in achieving them. Most of those are none of government's business.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 24, 2018, 09:29:45 PM
Every item on the Cortez platform that Hannity argued against is a noble goal that our government should be working toward. The arguments should be how to achieve those goals. When you argue against the goals themselves, you just look ridiculous.Disagree. You can't argue much against the goals, most of them are great. However, you can certainly argue against the government's role in achieving them. Most of those are none of government's business.
I see the first 3 as arguable.
Post by: wetwillie on July 24, 2018, 09:34:34 PM
Post by: catastrophe on July 24, 2018, 09:36:04 PM
Every item on the Cortez platform that Hannity argued against is a noble goal that our government should be working toward. The arguments should be how to achieve those goals. When you argue against the goals themselves, you just look ridiculous.Disagree. You can't argue much against the goals, most of them are great. However, you can certainly argue against the government's role in achieving them. Most of those are none of government's business.
Can you explain? I am having a hard time understanding how private citizens/companies can achieve any of these goals really.
Post by: michigancat on July 24, 2018, 09:40:47 PM
What does housing is a human right look like in execution?
yeah it's an interesting conversation to have. A good one!
Post by: michigancat on July 24, 2018, 09:43:20 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 24, 2018, 09:49:32 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 10:13:30 PM
It's really hard to fathom people being so ignorant about history and current events, but here we are.
Post by: sys on July 24, 2018, 10:14:29 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 10:19:58 PM
Read about the "public bank"
:lol:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 24, 2018, 10:22:24 PM
Post by: michigancat on July 24, 2018, 10:22:46 PM
i have no idea what #7 means and i'm against #s 4 and 14. #s 5, 6 and 8 i'm for. all of the others, i could either be for or against depending on how the slogan is translated into details. i guess that's slightly true of 4 and 14 too (and 5, 6 and 8 in the other direction), but i'm far enough to one side of the spectrum that it'd be pretty hard to make me go the other way on those.
didn't realize you were strongly against glass steagall. I guess I've never seen you discuss it
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 10:24:22 PM
Most of the criticism that I see of her makes her look pretty good.
Like that video montage, amiright? She's the new intellectual luminary of the left. I think her new nickname Occasional-Cortex is very unfair.
No, that video wasn't criticism. She makes herself look bad. The conservatives attacking her make her look good. I would vote for the socialist platform before I would vote for someone who views the platform on the below graphic as a bad thing.
(https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortez-platform-4.jpg)
That platform can't be real. :lol:
I'm genuinely surprised $1 million for everyone isn't on there. We're the richest country in the world, why not!?!?
Post by: catastrophe on July 24, 2018, 10:25:42 PM
i have no idea what #7 means and i'm against #s 4 and 14. #s 5, 6 and 8 i'm for. all of the others, i could either be for or against depending on how the slogan is translated into details. i guess that's slightly true of 4 and 14 too (and 5, 6 and 8 in the other direction), but i'm far enough to one side of the spectrum that it'd be pretty hard to make me go the other way on those.
didn't realize you were strongly against glass steagall. I guess I've never seen you discuss it
I don't even know what Glass Steagall would really get us, but the way Bernie pitched it (tax on Wallstreet speculation) seemed pretty appealing to me at the time.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 10:28:03 PM
This is batshit. How you could anyone over the age of 12 possibly be like "yeah, totally reasonable"
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 10:29:21 PM
also, it's not like "it's none of the government's business" has stopped the government from doing...anything before. Like, why does the government's business end with giving people a safety net in case they get sick? Weird threshold.
Probably the unfortunate realization that the govt only has 4 trillion dollars at its disposal
Get a grip, lunatic
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 10:31:53 PM
i have no idea what #7 means and i'm against #s 4 and 14. #s 5, 6 and 8 i'm for. all of the others, i could either be for or against depending on how the slogan is translated into details. i guess that's slightly true of 4 and 14 too (and 5, 6 and 8 in the other direction), but i'm far enough to one side of the spectrum that it'd be pretty hard to make me go the other way on those.
didn't realize you were strongly against glass steagall. I guess I've never seen you discuss it
I don't even know what Glass Steagall would really get us, but the way Bernie pitched it (tax on Wallstreet speculation) seemed pretty appealing to me at the time.
I 100% guarantee you bernie and this dingbat dont have the slightest idea of what G-S is or its practical application today, but eff WALL STREE FAT CATS
Post by: sys on July 24, 2018, 10:43:09 PM
didn't realize you were strongly against glass steagall. I guess I've never seen you discuss it
it doesn't come up much.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 24, 2018, 10:45:07 PM
How much would Medicare for all cost, KSUW?
Well the estimate for California alone was $400 billion..... And have you ever known one of these estimates to overestimate cost?
http://amp.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article151960182.html (http://amp.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article151960182.html)
Nobody with even half a brain can seriously contend that we can even come close to paying for “Medicare For All” without stupendously massive tax increases. Nor can they seriously contend that after spending all that money, most people would get healthcare better than our current model of socialized medicine - the VA.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 10:52:56 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 24, 2018, 10:54:50 PM
I don't know what her plan for number 7 is, but when KSU argues that part of the United States should be a 3rd world crap hole as a rebuttal, it's easy to agree with her.
We spend about $21 billion annually in federal aid to PR. How much more do you think will sufficient? To achieve what standard, exactly?
www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/09/storm-dealt-puerto-rico-knockout-blow-after-decades-fiscal-failure-corruption.amp.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/09/storm-dealt-puerto-rico-knockout-blow-after-decades-fiscal-failure-corruption.amp.html)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 24, 2018, 10:56:01 PM
It's just so troubling that allegedly educated adults not only indulge these fantasies, but by all accounts accept them at face value.
I saw about 4,000 of them at s recent rally. Still surprised there are so many on this board.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 10:59:03 PM
Post by: sys on July 24, 2018, 11:00:58 PM
Nobody with even half a brain can seriously contend that we can even come close to paying for “Medicare For All” without stupendously massive tax increases. Nor can they seriously contend that after spending all that money, most people would get healthcare better than our current model of socialized medicine - the VA.
we currently spend 17.9% of gdp on health care. if we can't do medicare for all or some other public version of health care for less than that we should just give up trying to be a country and turn ourselves over to canada.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 11:05:30 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 24, 2018, 11:06:23 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 25, 2018, 12:37:03 AM
I don't know what her plan for number 7 is, but when KSU argues that part of the United States should be a 3rd world crap hole as a rebuttal, it's easy to agree with her.
We spend about $21 billion annually in federal aid to PR. How much more do you think will sufficient? To achieve what standard, exactly?
www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/09/storm-dealt-puerto-rico-knockout-blow-after-decades-fiscal-failure-corruption.amp.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/09/storm-dealt-puerto-rico-knockout-blow-after-decades-fiscal-failure-corruption.amp.html)
Whatever it takes to bring them from 3rd world to whatever Mississippi is.
Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 08:32:04 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 25, 2018, 08:34:07 AM
there's just no possible way to pay for this without using the money we currently use to pay for the same service, so you can see it's quite impossible. said the conservative, making perfect sense.
I legit think that most of them assume that private health care spending would be unchanged and this is just a completely new government initiative requiring a completely new funding stream.
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Post by: DQ12 on July 25, 2018, 09:01:16 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 25, 2018, 09:07:26 AM
Second, whether the necessary increase in taxes would be less or more than the money saved on private healthcare premiums and deductibles depends upon many factors, but chiefly what your income is now and what you’re paying for healthcare. Some lower income people who aren’t on Medicaid might see a cost savings.
Many people with higher incomes will find that the increased taxes exceed the savings. This is particularly true when one considers that even under a Medicaid For All model, many people who can afford it will still pay privately for better care and quicker access to specialists than the publicly available care.
If you dispute either of these things, you have a serious lack of common sense and should probably see a healthcare professional about this.
Post by: steve dave on July 25, 2018, 09:11:03 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 25, 2018, 09:14:03 AM
Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 09:14:18 AM
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Historically, Medicare-for-all has meant single-payer health insurance, a national government-run program that covered every American and replaced private coverage entirely
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/2/17468448/medicare-for-all-single-payer-health-care-2018-elections
this is what i assume people mean when they say medicare for all, not some hybrid program.
Post by: 8manpick on July 25, 2018, 09:21:19 AM
Every item on the Cortez platform that Hannity argued against is a noble goal that our government should be working toward. The arguments should be how to achieve those goals. When you argue against the goals themselves, you just look ridiculous.Disagree. You can't argue much against the goals, most of them are great. However, you can certainly argue against the government's role in achieving them. Most of those are none of government's business.
Can you explain? I am having a hard time understanding how private citizens/companies can achieve any of these goals really.
Okay, waited to be in front of a computer. Re-reading the goals, I guess that doesn't really jive, but I was thinking more along the lines of everyone having housing, jobs, higher ed, etc. being a good goal for society. Fundamentally, I disagree with socialism as much as anyone could.
Not an expert in any of these areas, merely trying to apply basic principles. Addressing each:
- Medicare for All: Sure, healthcare is totally broken, the wrong people are getting paid too much, the right people aren't getting paid enough, people "pay" too much. Burn the whole thing down and start over.
- Housing as a Human Right: Not the government's business
- A Federal Jobs Guarantee: Absolutely not. If the jobs were needed and solvent, they would be there. UBI is flawed and still a huge overreach, but is a better solution.
- Assault Weapons Ban: I fundamentally disagree. Gun control and background checks / training reqs are fine, but I think they will be ineffectual.
- Criminal Justice Reform / End Private Prisons: End drug use prosecutions. Private prisons seems more a problem with campaign finance and lobbying which promotes incarcerating more people. Don't think anything is inherently wrong with private prisons.
- Immigration Justice / Abolish ICE: What is "immigration justice"? Refugees should get legitimate hearings, parents shouldn't get separated from children. That is clear. This shouldn't mean free immigration. Legal immigration should be selective in a manner to bring productive people to the US in fields that we need. Illegal immigration should be prevented, period. ICE has clearly gone off the rails, but someone needs to be in charge of preventing illegal immigration.
- Solidarity with PR: Yes they are American citizens. Yes we should provide federal disaster relief. Shouldn't be federal government's job to send cash if they are otherwise broke. Same as it isn't for Kansas, Illinois, Guam or Liberia.
- Mobilizing Against Climate Change: Good, but depends on what "mobilizing" means. Develop tech.
- Clean Campaign Finance: Yes, this is the most important thing possible
- Higher Ed for All: Not the government's job. Not even close. Certainly not the federal government.
- Women's Rights: Assuming this means abortion rights? Great.
- Support LGBTQIA+Seniors: This means nothing substantive? Allow them to do what they want, same as anyone else.
- Curb Wall Street Gambling / Restore Glass Steagall: No
Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 09:30:02 AM
Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 09:32:30 AM
Post by: michigancat on July 25, 2018, 09:34:57 AM
http://www.justicepolicy.org/mobile/news/12006
Post by: DQ12 on July 25, 2018, 09:37:38 AM
education isn't the government's job? that's an unusual ideological position.I think providing free education for children is certainly the government's job.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 25, 2018, 09:41:11 AM
Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 09:44:56 AM
I think providing free education for children is certainly the government's job.
why do you distinguish between educating 17 year old citizens and 18 year old citizens? and what does this even mean in practice. are you and 8man opposed to our expansive system of state universities?
Post by: DQ12 on July 25, 2018, 09:56:08 AM
I think there are some obvious differences between the aims of high schools (and elementary/junior highs) and colleges.I think providing free education for children is certainly the government's job.
why do you distinguish between educating 17 year old citizens and 18 year old citizens? and what does this even mean in practice. are you and 8man opposed to our expansive system of state universities?
We also force <18 year olds to attend school by law. The choice to attend a college is elective.
Post by: 8manpick on July 25, 2018, 10:00:59 AM
Post by: 8manpick on July 25, 2018, 10:05:39 AM
private prisons are a moral and bureaucratic abomination.
Re: private prisons
http://www.justicepolicy.org/mobile/news/12006
That seems bad. I know very little about the subject and don't feel strongly. Still think it is more a problem of lobbying. I don't see a reason why it would be inherently bad, even if the current setup is bad.
Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 10:09:52 AM
We also force <18 year olds to attend school by law. The choice to attend a college is elective.
when they say higher education for all, i don't assume they mean that it will be mandatory.
Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 10:13:07 AM
Idealogically, I don't think education should have anything to do with the federal government, which is what Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is running for.
the federal government currently subsidizes the operation of both state and private universities, do you oppose this? and fundamentally, what difference does it make. low state taxes/higher federal taxes and the feds kick money to public universities or higher state taxes/lower federal taxes and the states wholly self-fund public universities. potayto/potahto.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 25, 2018, 10:15:34 AM
Post by: DQ12 on July 25, 2018, 10:17:16 AM
I know. I don't either.We also force <18 year olds to attend school by law. The choice to attend a college is elective.
when they say higher education for all, i don't assume they mean that it will be mandatory.
You asked why I distinguished between free HS education and college education. My point is that I think it's reasonable to provide free high school education considering we force everyone to attend high school. If we want to make college education mandatory (bad idea imo), then I think it would make sense to make college education free too. Given that the choice to attend college is completely discretionary, I think people can make the decision on whether they want to attend college -- including whether the choice to attend is worth the associated financial burdens.
Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 10:18:20 AM
I don't see a reason why it would be inherently bad, even if the current setup is bad.
you don't see an inherent moral problem with a private entity exercising the power of life and liberty?
Post by: michigancat on July 25, 2018, 10:21:46 AM
https://www.nesri.org/programs/what-is-the-human-right-to-housing
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-housing-rights-human-rights-1.4414854
Post by: chum1 on July 25, 2018, 10:22:15 AM
I know. I don't either.We also force <18 year olds to attend school by law. The choice to attend a college is elective.
when they say higher education for all, i don't assume they mean that it will be mandatory.
You asked why I distinguished between free HS education and college education. My point is that I think it's reasonable to provide free high school education considering we force everyone to attend high school. If we want to make college education mandatory (bad idea imo), then I think it would make sense to make college education free too. Given that the choice to attend college is completely discretionary, I think people can make the decision on whether they want to attend college -- including whether the choice to attend is worth the associated financial burdens.
I don't think that part is true.
Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 10:24:38 AM
Given that the choice to attend college is completely discretionary, I think people can make the decision on whether they want to attend college -- including whether the choice to attend is worth the associated financial burdens.
i think that a society can decide that it is advantageous to have a citizenry educated beyond secondary school and choose to subsidize the cost of that education even if it allows its citizens to choose for themselves whether or not they take advantage of that opportunity.
i do take your point that in making k-12 mandatory, they have an obligation to pay for the cost of that education. whereas with higher education, the decision to subsidize the cost or not is a societal choice, not an obligation.
Post by: michigancat on July 25, 2018, 10:27:25 AM
private prisons are a moral and bureaucratic abomination.Re: private prisons
http://www.justicepolicy.org/mobile/news/12006
That seems bad. I know very little about the subject and don't feel strongly. Still think it is more a problem of lobbying. I don't see a reason why it would be inherently bad, even if the current setup is bad.
here's another good read: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/cca-private-prisons-corrections-corporation-inmates-investigation-bauer/
Private prisons will inevitably be inherently bad because any increased profit pretty much has to come at the expense of the safety and well-being of humans.
Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 10:30:34 AM
here are some more concrete discussions of "housing as a human right":
https://www.nesri.org/programs/what-is-the-human-right-to-housing
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-housing-rights-human-rights-1.4414854
as vague as that is, it mostly sounds not good. much better just to give people money.
Post by: 8manpick on July 25, 2018, 10:31:15 AM
Idealogically, I don't think education should have anything to do with the federal government, which is what Ms. Ocasio-Cortez is running for.
the federal government currently subsidizes the operation of both state and private universities, do you oppose this? and fundamentally, what difference does it make. low state taxes/higher federal taxes and the feds kick money to public universities or higher state taxes/lower federal taxes and the states wholly self-fund public universities. potayto/potahto.
Yes I do oppose that. Higher state taxes, lower federal taxes means states have more freedom to decide differently what to do with the money for the people who live there. Less homogenization between states, more experimentation.
I don't see a reason why it would be inherently bad, even if the current setup is bad.you don't see an inherent moral problem with a private entity exercising the power of life and liberty?
The court system exercises the power of life and liberty, the private entity houses them. As long as they are enforcing the government mandate in accordance with its terms, I don't see an inherent problem. I'm out of my depth with any details on private prisons though.
Post by: DQ12 on July 25, 2018, 10:32:04 AM
We're on the same page. Sounds like we just fall on different sides of the coin.Given that the choice to attend college is completely discretionary, I think people can make the decision on whether they want to attend college -- including whether the choice to attend is worth the associated financial burdens.
i think that a society can decide that it is advantageous to have a citizenry educated beyond secondary school and choose to subsidize the cost of that education even if it allows its citizens to choose for themselves whether or not they take advantage of that opportunity.
i do take your point that in making k-12 mandatory, they have an obligation to pay for the cost of that education. whereas with higher education, the decision to subsidize the cost or not is a societal choice, not an obligation.
Would those demanding "higher education for all" also favor "graduate degree education for all"? Should the cost of education ever fall on the student, and if so, where should we draw the line?
Post by: 8manpick on July 25, 2018, 10:32:35 AM
private prisons are a moral and bureaucratic abomination.Re: private prisons
http://www.justicepolicy.org/mobile/news/12006
That seems bad. I know very little about the subject and don't feel strongly. Still think it is more a problem of lobbying. I don't see a reason why it would be inherently bad, even if the current setup is bad.
here's another good read: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/cca-private-prisons-corrections-corporation-inmates-investigation-bauer/
Private prisons will inevitably be inherently bad because any increased profit pretty much has to come at the expense of the safety and well-being of humans.
That makes sense.
Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 10:38:30 AM
The court system exercises the power of life and liberty, the private entity houses them. As long as they are enforcing the government mandate in accordance with its terms, I don't see an inherent problem. I'm out of my depth with any details on private prisons though.
corrections is a branch of the criminal justice system. they exercise power of an inmate's liberty that is not subject to judicial review (solitary, access to facilities, eligibility for work/educational programs, etc.). i'm not sure if private prisons are also explicitly authorized to exercise judgement over things like parole, early release, etc. however as the only possible non-inmate witnesses, they defacto have the power to impact all of that as well as prosecution for any prison crimes.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 25, 2018, 10:38:49 AM
We're on the same page. Sounds like we just fall on different sides of the coin.Given that the choice to attend college is completely discretionary, I think people can make the decision on whether they want to attend college -- including whether the choice to attend is worth the associated financial burdens.
i think that a society can decide that it is advantageous to have a citizenry educated beyond secondary school and choose to subsidize the cost of that education even if it allows its citizens to choose for themselves whether or not they take advantage of that opportunity.
i do take your point that in making k-12 mandatory, they have an obligation to pay for the cost of that education. whereas with higher education, the decision to subsidize the cost or not is a societal choice, not an obligation.
Would those demanding "higher education for all" also favor "graduate degree education for all"? Should the cost of education ever fall on the student, and if so, where should we draw the line?
Why does a line need to be drawn?
Post by: 8manpick on July 25, 2018, 10:43:39 AM
The court system exercises the power of life and liberty, the private entity houses them. As long as they are enforcing the government mandate in accordance with its terms, I don't see an inherent problem. I'm out of my depth with any details on private prisons though.
corrections is a branch of the criminal justice system. they exercise power of an inmate's liberty that is not subject to judicial review (solitary, access to facilities, eligibility for work/educational programs, etc.). i'm not sure if private prisons are also explicitly authorized to exercise judgement over things like parole, early release, etc. however as the only possible non-inmate witnesses, they defacto have the power to impact all of that as well as prosecution for any prison crimes.
Well there you go. I don't like private prisons now.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 25, 2018, 10:46:47 AM
Post by: catastrophe on July 25, 2018, 10:47:40 AM
I think the federal government should set tuition caps for schools if they want their students to be eligible for loans.
I really like the sound of this. There are a lot of strings that could be attached to loans in order to halt the ridiculous rate of tuition increases.
Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 10:48:29 AM
Post by: DQ12 on July 25, 2018, 10:48:53 AM
....because that's inherent in the question. Should the cost of education ever fall on the student, and if so, when?We're on the same page. Sounds like we just fall on different sides of the coin.Given that the choice to attend college is completely discretionary, I think people can make the decision on whether they want to attend college -- including whether the choice to attend is worth the associated financial burdens.
i think that a society can decide that it is advantageous to have a citizenry educated beyond secondary school and choose to subsidize the cost of that education even if it allows its citizens to choose for themselves whether or not they take advantage of that opportunity.
i do take your point that in making k-12 mandatory, they have an obligation to pay for the cost of that education. whereas with higher education, the decision to subsidize the cost or not is a societal choice, not an obligation.
Would those demanding "higher education for all" also favor "graduate degree education for all"? Should the cost of education ever fall on the student, and if so, where should we draw the line?
Why does a line need to be drawn?
Post by: catastrophe on July 25, 2018, 10:49:38 AM
What is the approach to fixing skyrocketing tuition costs that doesn't involve heavy-handed intervention from the government? Is there anything that can happen other than a lot of people just deciding not to go to college?
Well not to mention the federal government is probably the biggest cause of the tuition increases. Broad availability of loans and inability to discharge them through bankruptcy is probably the single greatest cause of rate increases.
Post by: michigancat on July 25, 2018, 10:54:30 AM
here are some more concrete discussions of "housing as a human right":
https://www.nesri.org/programs/what-is-the-human-right-to-housing
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-housing-rights-human-rights-1.4414854
as vague as that is, it mostly sounds not good. much better just to give people money.
yeah, and that looks like a major part of Canada's plan (I get that straight cash is more efficient, but still).
In general, I think our laws place greater value on the rights of property owners over the safety and well being of people who can't afford to own property but need housing. Which makes sense given how the country was started, but becomes a big problem in places with crazy concentrations of jobs/wealth but scarce housing. I obviously need to think about it more, but I think another good start (beyond handing people cash) would be to dramatically overhaul restrictive zoning laws, which were racist to begin with and now exist primarily to protect the wealth of property owners.
I'm not sure if you followed this but to me it seemed like a good idea that was completely destroyed:
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/04/californias-transit-density-bill-stalls/558341/
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 25, 2018, 10:55:54 AM
What is the approach to fixing skyrocketing tuition costs that doesn't involve heavy-handed intervention from the government? Is there anything that can happen other than a lot of people just deciding not to go to college?
Well not to mention the federal government is probably the biggest cause of the tuition increases. Broad availability of loans and inability to discharge them through bankruptcy is probably the single greatest cause of rate increases.
Yeah. I'm just not sure what can be done about that now. I think a reasonable start would be to not loan any freshman or sophomore money that isn't attending an accredited community college with a class schedule that is transferable to a 4 year university. We also shouldn't give loans to any student attending a university with tuition over $10k. Maybe $10k is too high.
Post by: 8manpick on July 25, 2018, 11:01:29 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 25, 2018, 11:06:39 AM
Post by: michigancat on July 25, 2018, 11:17:01 AM
Because an educated population is very positiveYeah the government and economy clearly benefit. Really, it's the same reason the government builds roads.
Post by: wetwillie on July 25, 2018, 11:35:09 AM
Because an educated population is very positive
It’s the next housing bubble 2008 all over again. People are getting degrees for 80k and getting 40k jobs and basically zero chance of repayment. However we can incent people to go to trade schools etc would be good.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 25, 2018, 11:48:02 AM
Post by: wetwillie on July 25, 2018, 11:54:41 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 25, 2018, 11:57:16 AM
Post by: michigancat on July 25, 2018, 12:01:00 PM
Are you ok with a system that puts people into tracks relatively early in life in terms of what their end game educationally would be?
I don't see how that has anything to do with free higher education.
Post by: wetwillie on July 25, 2018, 12:10:15 PM
Are you ok with a system that puts people into tracks relatively early in life in terms of what their end game educationally would be?
I don't see how that has anything to do with free higher education.
I think in some form countries with free education currently do this, maybe I’m wrong though. I would think you would have to use some criteria if the government is footing the bill for everyone.
Post by: michigancat on July 25, 2018, 12:14:22 PM
I would think you would have to use some criteria if the government is footing the bill for everyone.
you mean like admissions standards and performance requirements to remain enrolled? I guess I don't understand why you would need to implement something like the German style of an 8th grade test determining your trade for life.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 25, 2018, 12:16:28 PM
Post by: wetwillie on July 25, 2018, 12:20:47 PM
Post by: michigancat on July 25, 2018, 12:27:53 PM
yea the German model is really what I think of when free education model is discussed, does anyone currently offering free Education do it differently?
one model would be NYC Public schools that give 8th graders a test for admission to their "elite" high schools. In theory something similar could be done at the university level, like it already is. you're being really weird about this.
Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 12:46:55 PM
yea the German model is really what I think of when free education model is discussed, does anyone currently offering free Education do it differently?
most countries in the world charge what we would consider nominal prices for higher education (iirc, mexico charges like 5 cents/semester to attend the national university in mexico city). i'm not super up on how they all handle educational tracks earlier on, but i don't think most of them (definitely not all of them) have explicit trade/university tracks early on. although, many would have sort of admissions reqs that would defacto eliminate almost everyone that hadn't been preparing for them through the equivalent of high school.
Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 01:17:53 PM
I'm not sure if you followed this but to me it seemed like a good idea that was completely destroyed:
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/04/californias-transit-density-bill-stalls/558341/
i hadn't followed it, but agree with you that it seems like it was a good idea.
Post by: michigancat on July 25, 2018, 01:33:40 PM
yea the German model is really what I think of when free education model is discussed, does anyone currently offering free Education do it differently?
most countries in the world charge what we would consider nominal prices for higher education (iirc, mexico charges like 5 cents/semester to attend the national university in mexico city). i'm not super up on how they all handle educational tracks earlier on, but i don't think most of them (definitely not all of them) have explicit trade/university tracks early on. although, many would have sort of admissions reqs that would defacto eliminate almost everyone that hadn't been preparing for them through the equivalent of high school.
yeah that's a major criticism of the NYC admissions test. Families that can pay for tutors and test prep have a huge edge.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 25, 2018, 08:52:45 PM
Because an educated population is very positiveYeah the government and economy clearly benefit. Really, it's the same reason the government builds roads.
It depends on what the education is, just like it depends where the road goes.
The money being poured into higher education happens to coincide with stagnant wage growth, but individual debt continues to grow. The implication being higher education may not be worth the squeeze in the majority of instances.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 25, 2018, 09:01:31 PM
Why is the government in the business of loaning money to students anyway?
It's highly profitable and creates generational indentured servitude. What government wouldn't want to be involved in that?
Want to borrow $200k to get a ph.d in [inser trivial liberal arts degree], no problem. Just pay us back 30% of your take home over the next 30 years. In any other context it would be couned predatory and regulated like payday lending.
Post by: michigancat on July 25, 2018, 11:32:38 PM
Because an educated population is very positiveYeah the government and economy clearly benefit. Really, it's the same reason the government builds roads.
It depends on what the education is, just like it depends where the road goes.
The money being poured into higher education happens to coincide with stagnant wage growth, but individual debt continues to grow. The implication being higher education may not be worth the squeeze in the majority of instances.
are you implying that stagnant wage growth is caused by investment in higher education? Of course it makes sense that it's a factor causing individual debt to grow. I have an idea that could help with that!
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 26, 2018, 08:46:26 AM
Because an educated population is very positiveYeah the government and economy clearly benefit. Really, it's the same reason the government builds roads.
It depends on what the education is, just like it depends where the road goes.
The money being poured into higher education happens to coincide with stagnant wage growth, but individual debt continues to grow. The implication being higher education may not be worth the squeeze in the majority of instances.
are you implying that stagnant wage growth is caused by investment in higher education? Of course it makes sense that it's a factor causing individual debt to grow. I have an idea that could help with that!
You said the govt and economy benefit from higher education as if it were a fact. I'm not sure that's necessarily true. It's almost certainly limited to the type of higher education.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 26, 2018, 12:13:02 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 27, 2018, 09:38:45 AM
Post by: 8manpick on July 27, 2018, 09:45:36 AM
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1022852142682570752That's pretty awful. 2 trillion over ten years is like, not very much money. Medicare is 3 times that much as is.
Post by: catastrophe on July 27, 2018, 09:48:16 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 27, 2018, 09:50:06 AM
I have honestly never heard of people questioning how a single Representative is going to “implement her agenda.”
I've never seen a representative
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 27, 2018, 09:51:21 AM
You don't find her unique?I have honestly never heard of people questioning how a single Representative is going to “implement her agenda.”
I've never seen a representativegetting electedwinning the primary for their first 2 year term in any office being treated like they are the new face of a political party before this, either.
Post by: bucket on July 27, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
You don't find her unique?I have honestly never heard of people questioning how a single Representative is going to “implement her agenda.”
I've never seen a representativegetting electedwinning the primary for their first 2 year term in any office being treated like they are the new face of a political party before this, either.
Hardly the most extreme primary winner for a spot in the house.
Post by: 8manpick on July 27, 2018, 10:02:08 AM
Well she says herself that she is a democratic socialist, which is a party that has 35 elected officials in the whole country which including city council members. I'm not sure who else would be the face.I have honestly never heard of people questioning how a single Representative is going to “implement her agenda.”
I've never seen a representativegetting electedwinning the primary for their first 2 year term in any office being treated like they are the new face of a political party before this, either.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 27, 2018, 10:03:00 AM
You don't find her unique?I have honestly never heard of people questioning how a single Representative is going to “implement her agenda.”
I've never seen a representativegetting electedwinning the primary for their first 2 year term in any office being treated like they are the new face of a political party before this, either.
I think it's really cool that a working class woman was able to beat one of the top democrats in a primary election. I think she should probably serve a term before people start treating her like a party leader, though. She clearly is not ready.
Post by: catastrophe on July 27, 2018, 10:08:59 AM
Of course that comes with the territory when you take advantage of media interest to put yourself out there and share your ideals. So I don’t particularly fault any side other than those who act like if AOC can’t explain it then it must be a terrible platform.
Post by: Trim on July 27, 2018, 10:14:24 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 27, 2018, 11:43:47 AM
That sucks that a Trevor Noah TDS is still airing.
https://twitter.com/marrowing/status/1022639839202533376?s=21
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Post by: sys on July 27, 2018, 12:00:57 PM
I've never seen a representativegetting electedwinning the primary for their first 2 year term in any office being treated like they are the new face of a political party before this, either.
with about 6% of the electorate.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 27, 2018, 12:31:29 PM
I've never seen a representativegetting electedwinning the primary for their first 2 year term in any office being treated like they are the new face of a political party before this, either.
with about 6% of the electorate.
lol u r so mad
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Post by: sys on July 27, 2018, 12:35:58 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 27, 2018, 03:10:32 PM
i think it's an important perspective.
why?
Post by: sys on July 27, 2018, 03:27:20 PM
i could be wrong. a lot of that gets back to how you view the sanders vote in 2016 (pro-socialist or anti-clinton/anti-insincere politician).
Post by: Kat Kid on July 27, 2018, 03:28:57 PM
i'm not convinced she would have even won her district if primary turnout was typical of a normal non-ny primary election. which makes me skeptical of the size of the dsa surge in the democratic electorate. clearly it exists, but i think coverage of aoc has been excessive compared to the proportion of the electorate whose views she embodies.
i could be wrong. a lot of that gets back to how you view the sanders vote in 2016 (pro-socialist or anti-clinton/anti-insincere politician).
ok, you are confirmed mad.
Post by: sys on July 27, 2018, 03:45:21 PM
Post by: Trim on July 27, 2018, 03:53:14 PM
Post by: steve dave on July 27, 2018, 04:16:51 PM
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Post by: sys on July 27, 2018, 06:26:52 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 27, 2018, 07:39:29 PM
Well she says herself that she is a democratic socialist, which is a party that has 35 elected officials in the whole country which including city council members. I'm not sure who else would be the face.I have honestly never heard of people questioning how a single Representative is going to “implement her agenda.”
I've never seen a representativegetting electedwinning the primary for their first 2 year term in any office being treated like they are the new face of a political party before this, either.
She's a rough ridin' moron
Post by: 8manpick on July 27, 2018, 07:40:42 PM
She's a socialist, tomato/tomatoWell she says herself that she is a democratic socialist, which is a party that has 35 elected officials in the whole country which including city council members. I'm not sure who else would be the face.I have honestly never heard of people questioning how a single Representative is going to “implement her agenda.”
I've never seen a representativegetting electedwinning the primary for their first 2 year term in any office being treated like they are the new face of a political party before this, either.
She's a rough ridin' moron
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 27, 2018, 07:42:34 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 28, 2018, 07:33:41 AM
i'm not convinced she would have even won her district if primary turnout was typical of a normal non-ny primary election. which makes me skeptical of the size of the dsa surge in the democratic electorate. clearly it exists, but i think coverage of aoc has been excessive compared to the proportion of the electorate whose views she embodies.
i could be wrong. a lot of that gets back to how you view the sanders vote in 2016 (pro-socialist or anti-clinton/anti-insincere politician).
Somebody posted a few pages back about how Rick Thompson flew in Occasional-Cortex and Bernie for a campaign rally - in Wichita, KS - and 4,000 very excited morons showed up. And you don’t think socialism is popular in the Democrat Party?
Post by: ChiComCat on July 28, 2018, 07:51:05 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 28, 2018, 09:30:36 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 28, 2018, 11:19:32 AM
I remember someone going down to the rally and talking about how stupid bringing a far left socialist into Kansas was because socialism isn't that popular....
....in a right leaning district. Socialism is hella popular among Dems. Always has been. They’re just finally coming out of the shadows.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 28, 2018, 11:21:22 AM
Bringing a gaggle of left winged whackoadoos to Wichita isn't gonna get you, and is likely to drive away, the moderate pub voters you need to win that district.
I think the strategy, if there is a strategy, was to bring them in early to aid with voter registration, but early enough so that the visit is largely forgotten by the time most voters actually start paying attention.
Post by: chum1 on July 28, 2018, 11:25:27 AM
Or, alternatively, maybe the deserved vandalization of any really rich person's yacht should be celebrated regardless of how good they are at their jobs or what their political beliefs are.
Post by: sys on July 28, 2018, 02:13:12 PM
the deserved vandalization of any really rich person's yacht should be celebrated regardless of how good they are at their jobs or what their political beliefs are.
i don't think that is a widely shared viewpoint, chum1. personally, i agree with ruhle that property should not be pointlessly destroyed.
Post by: 8manpick on July 28, 2018, 03:12:12 PM
Yeah no kiddingthe deserved vandalization of any really rich person's yacht should be celebrated regardless of how good they are at their jobs or what their political beliefs are.
i don't think that is a widely shared viewpoint, chum1. personally, i agree with ruhle that property should not be pointlessly destroyed.
Post by: chum1 on July 28, 2018, 03:15:23 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 28, 2018, 03:29:19 PM
the deserved vandalization of any really rich person's yacht should be celebrated regardless of how good they are at their jobs or what their political beliefs are.
i don't think that is a widely shared viewpoint, chum1. personally, i agree with ruhle that property should not be pointlessly destroyed.
well, this isn't true.
Post by: sys on July 28, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 28, 2018, 03:43:50 PM
not sure if you disagree with pointlessly or destroyed. i'll agree to substitute unjustifiably for pointlessly, if you prefer. i think destroyed is accurate as destruction does not imply complete destruction, but i'd be ok with substituting damaged, degraded or impaired if you like.
I think we can safely assume this was a political act. obviously it was illegal, you are free to disagree with the message or the method, but pointless is just inaccurate. And it was remarkably effective in its reach and targeted a very unsympathetic figure in a way that made the theater part of the message ("adrift" "yacht" etc.)
Post by: michigancat on July 28, 2018, 03:48:58 PM
Post by: sys on July 28, 2018, 03:54:42 PM
I think we can safely assume this was a political act. obviously it was illegal, you are free to disagree with the message or the method, but pointless is just inaccurate. And it was remarkably effective in its reach and targeted a very unsympathetic figure in a way that made the theater part of the message ("adrift" "yacht" etc.)
while i don't object to grounding the discussion in the case of the devos yacht, you may recall that my statement was in response to chum1's assertion that the vandalism of any yacht should be celebrated.
Post by: chum1 on July 28, 2018, 04:01:27 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 28, 2018, 04:09:13 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 28, 2018, 04:31:51 PM
Any really rich person's yacht. So, not yachts shared by the proletariat.
if you read Marx, you know that yachts are shared by the proletariat under communism. pretty cool stuff.
Post by: Spracne on July 28, 2018, 05:31:36 PM
Any really rich person's yacht. So, not yachts shared by the proletariat.
I'm sorry that you can't afford a yacht, friend. It's ok...
Post by: star seed 7 on July 28, 2018, 06:14:43 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 28, 2018, 06:46:45 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 29, 2018, 09:45:58 AM
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-road-map-poverty-report-20180729-story.html
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Its political leaders and a credulous national media present California as the “woke” state, creating an economically just, post-racial reality. Yet in terms of opportunity, California is evolving into something more like apartheid South Africa or the pre-civil rights South. California simply does not measure up in delivering educational attainment, income growth, homeownership, and social mobility for traditionally disadvantaged minorities.
https://www.city-journal.org/html/california-economy-16076.html
Post by: michigancat on July 29, 2018, 12:19:25 PM
Progressive economic policy :Woot:
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-road-map-poverty-report-20180729-story.htmlQuoteIts political leaders and a credulous national media present California as the “woke” state, creating an economically just, post-racial reality. Yet in terms of opportunity, California is evolving into something more like apartheid South Africa or the pre-civil rights South. California simply does not measure up in delivering educational attainment, income growth, homeownership, and social mobility for traditionally disadvantaged minorities.
https://www.city-journal.org/html/california-economy-16076.html
LOL California does not have a progressive economic policy...Prop 13 (a conservative measure which severely limits property taxes) completely mumped education spending and primarily benefits the wealthy and hurts the poor. (Also makes housing cost way more)
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Chu and Uhler validate some common notions about Proposition 13. One is that it's been a particular boon to wealthier Californians. "Because higher-income households own more, higher-value homes and Proposition 13 tax relief is proportionate to home wealth," they observe. "The majority of Proposition 13 tax relief (in dollar terms) goes to higher-income households."
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-prop-13--20160929-snap-story.html
it also means California spends way less on education than it should.
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In 2015-16, California ranked 41st among all states in spending per K-12 student after adjusting for differences in the cost of living in each state (see table below).[2] California schools spent $10,291 per K-12 student in 2015-16, which is about $1,900 less than the $12,252 per student spent by the nation as a whole.[3] California’s spending per student in 2015-16 was about $2,000 higher than it had been in 2012-13, at which point California ranked 50th in the nation.
https://calbudgetcenter.org/resources/californias-support-k-12-education-improving-still-lags-nation/
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 29, 2018, 01:32:38 PM
Sorry bro, regurgitated leftist garbage from that one dweeb regarding country club property tax is a drop in the bucket.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 29, 2018, 01:33:27 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 29, 2018, 01:34:35 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 29, 2018, 01:57:30 PM
Post by: michigancat on July 29, 2018, 02:33:14 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/bay-area-housing-market.html
Post by: steve dave on July 29, 2018, 03:26:18 PM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 29, 2018, 03:27:50 PM
LOL California sure has its share of problems but getting businesses to come here and pay high wages sure as hell isn't one of them
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/bay-area-housing-market.html
A real 1%er paradise :D
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 29, 2018, 03:38:01 PM
The flyover rube hatred of all the good states is an all time fun thing
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100%. People who have rarely left Kansas loathe good states
Post by: michigancat on July 29, 2018, 04:08:01 PM
I agree with you that California should be more progressive when it comes to wealth redistribution and housing policyLOL California sure has its share of problems but getting businesses to come here and pay high wages sure as hell isn't one of them
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/bay-area-housing-market.html
A real 1%er paradise :D
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 29, 2018, 04:26:58 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 29, 2018, 06:28:25 PM
I agree with you that California should be more progressive when it comes to wealth redistribution and housing policyLOL California sure has its share of problems but getting businesses to come here and pay high wages sure as hell isn't one of them
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/bay-area-housing-market.html
A real 1%er paradise :D
:D
Clearly the problem is Cali's policies aren't socialist enough!
MOAR
Post by: michigancat on July 29, 2018, 06:59:46 PM
I agree with you that California should be more progressive when it comes to wealth redistribution and housing policyLOL California sure has its share of problems but getting businesses to come here and pay high wages sure as hell isn't one of them
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/bay-area-housing-market.html
A real 1%er paradise :D
:D
Clearly the problem is Cali's policies aren't socialist enough!
MOAR
lol yeah maybe if cali lowered taxes on the 1% it would be better for the middle class and poor :lol:
Post by: Woogy on July 29, 2018, 08:57:47 PM
it also spends way less on education than it should.QuoteIn 2015-16, California ranked 41st among all states in spending per K-12 student after adjusting for differences in the cost of living in each state (see table below).[2] California schools spent $10,291 per K-12 student in 2015-16, which is about $1,900 less than the $12,252 per student spent by the nation as a whole.[3] California’s spending per student in 2015-16 was about $2,000 higher than it had been in 2012-13, at which point California ranked 50th in the nation.
https://calbudgetcenter.org/resources/californias-support-k-12-education-improving-still-lags-nation/
:Wha: Is Alan Rupe aware of this?!? :kstategrad:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 29, 2018, 10:29:45 PM
it also spends way less on education than it should.QuoteIn 2015-16, California ranked 41st among all states in spending per K-12 student after adjusting for differences in the cost of living in each state (see table below).[2] California schools spent $10,291 per K-12 student in 2015-16, which is about $1,900 less than the $12,252 per student spent by the nation as a whole.[3] California’s spending per student in 2015-16 was about $2,000 higher than it had been in 2012-13, at which point California ranked 50th in the nation.
https://calbudgetcenter.org/resources/californias-support-k-12-education-improving-still-lags-nation/
:Wha: Is Alan Rupe aware of this?!? :kstategrad:
Lol, he actually already associated with a cali firm
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 29, 2018, 10:31:55 PM
I agree with you that California should be more progressive when it comes to wealth redistribution and housing policyLOL California sure has its share of problems but getting businesses to come here and pay high wages sure as hell isn't one of them
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/bay-area-housing-market.html
A real 1%er paradise :D
:D
Clearly the problem is Cali's policies aren't socialist enough!
MOAR
lol yeah maybe if cali lowered taxes on the 1% it would be better for the middle class and poor :lol:
As we come full circle, clearly raising taxes has been a boon for the poor in cali.
Highest taxes and most poors :Woot: #1
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 29, 2018, 10:35:13 PM
"Proud home of 12,000,000 people living at or below the poverty line!"
Post by: michigancat on July 29, 2018, 11:19:54 PM
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-worst-states-to-be-a-taxpayer/2416/#complete-rankingsI agree with you that California should be more progressive when it comes to wealth redistribution and housing policyLOL California sure has its share of problems but getting businesses to come here and pay high wages sure as hell isn't one of them
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/bay-area-housing-market.html
A real 1%er paradise :D
:D
Clearly the problem is Cali's policies aren't socialist enough!
MOAR
lol yeah maybe if cali lowered taxes on the 1% it would be better for the middle class and poor
As we come full circle, clearly raising taxes has been a boon for the poor in cali.
Highest taxes and most poors :Woot: #1
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 30, 2018, 05:35:18 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 30, 2018, 05:38:17 PM
Post by: catastrophe on July 30, 2018, 07:24:40 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 30, 2018, 07:44:50 PM
https://thinkprogress.org/mercatis-medicare-for-all-study-0a8681353316/
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That means that over the next decade, the U.S. is projected to spend more than $33 trillion, plus inflation, on health care services without any changes to our current health care system, significantly more than Mercatus’s estimated $32.6 trillion cost to the federal government over the next ten years.
:D
Nevermind nobody wants to be on shitty medicaid or take patients on shitty medicaid.
If I said you could have a brand new f150 for $33k or a used dodge neon for $32.6k, you'd take the neon, right?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 30, 2018, 07:54:55 PM
Post by: wetwillie on July 30, 2018, 08:03:29 PM
Post by: sys on July 30, 2018, 08:16:14 PM
https://thinkprogress.org/mercatis-medicare-for-all-study-0a8681353316/QuoteThat means that over the next decade, the U.S. is projected to spend more than $33 trillion, plus inflation, on health care services without any changes to our current health care system, significantly more than Mercatus’s estimated $32.6 trillion cost to the federal government over the next ten years.
it's 300b in the final year, 2t over 10 years. the article has been corrected now.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 30, 2018, 08:18:08 PM
I’m taking the neon and banking the .4k you $!#*
LOL. A prude business decision.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 31, 2018, 08:07:51 AM
Counter point:
It's money we are already spending on healthcare.
Post by: catastrophe on July 31, 2018, 08:14:51 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 31, 2018, 09:11:50 AM
Post by: catastrophe on July 31, 2018, 09:27:30 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 31, 2018, 09:55:08 AM
https://twitter.com/david_j_roth/status/1024029805753368577
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 31, 2018, 11:07:14 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 31, 2018, 05:02:39 PM
Not sure if you knew this FSD but Trump just authorized a ton of government healthcare spending not very long ago.
Cool story, bruh
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 01, 2018, 02:22:07 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 01, 2018, 02:30:24 PM
Post by: wetwillie on August 01, 2018, 02:36:23 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 01, 2018, 02:38:16 PM
Post by: catastrophe on August 01, 2018, 02:45:39 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on August 01, 2018, 02:53:16 PM
They didn't even mention saving 300 billion a year vs the status quo
I think it was closer to $2 Trillion
Post by: 8manpick on August 01, 2018, 02:54:51 PM
If you read the comments from those who are against it, most of the opposition seems to have more to do with poor people and immigrants getting healthcare than it does the increase in taxes that would be necessary to implement the program.
I think it will eventually lead to government forced prevention of unhealthy or risky activities, which I find far more problematic than the cost. The moment where we are coming up short of funds and some research says that we could save $500 billion a year in medical costs by banning {unicycling} is the moment where {unicycling} is banned and the degradation of our freedoms marches on. Hooray nanny state.
Post by: michigancat on August 01, 2018, 03:00:44 PM
If you read the comments from those who are against it, most of the opposition seems to have more to do with poor people and immigrants getting healthcare than it does the increase in taxes that would be necessary to implement the program.
I think it will eventually lead to government forced prevention of unhealthy or risky activities, which I find far more problematic than the cost. The moment where we are coming up short of funds and some research says that we could save $500 billion a year in medical costs by banning {unicycling} is the moment where {unicycling} is banned and the degradation of our freedoms marches on. Hooray nanny state.
you mean like helmet laws?
But honestly what are some real examples of this in countries with nationalized health care? Where is {unicycling} banned?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 01, 2018, 03:08:15 PM
Post by: 8manpick on August 01, 2018, 03:11:49 PM
If you read the comments from those who are against it, most of the opposition seems to have more to do with poor people and immigrants getting healthcare than it does the increase in taxes that would be necessary to implement the program.
I think it will eventually lead to government forced prevention of unhealthy or risky activities, which I find far more problematic than the cost. The moment where we are coming up short of funds and some research says that we could save $500 billion a year in medical costs by banning {unicycling} is the moment where {unicycling} is banned and the degradation of our freedoms marches on. Hooray nanny state.
you mean like helmet laws?
But honestly what are some real examples of this in countries with nationalized health care? Where is {unicycling} banned?
Helmet laws are a great example, as are trans fats bans -- activities in which the only person at direct risk is the one partaking in the activity. We have added these laws as a direct result of the financial entanglements brought about by our medical insurance system. While a regrettable result, I don't think that is a good reason to limit a person's choice.
I don't know if there are similar examples in other countries to be honest, and I'm resigned to single payer being our best of many bad options at this point. I worry about the consequences and think that such a move will accelerate those limits on our freedom to do whatever we feel like doing.
I also think that consenting adults should be able to have a duel to settle disputes if they so desire, and I believe that "sin taxes" are as immoral as the moniker suggests, so I understand I'm at an extreme.
Post by: catastrophe on August 01, 2018, 03:17:15 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 01, 2018, 03:18:26 PM
If you read the comments from those who are against it, most of the opposition seems to have more to do with poor people and immigrants getting healthcare than it does the increase in taxes that would be necessary to implement the program.
I think it will eventually lead to government forced prevention of unhealthy or risky activities, which I find far more problematic than the cost. The moment where we are coming up short of funds and some research says that we could save $500 billion a year in medical costs by banning {unicycling} is the moment where {unicycling} is banned and the degradation of our freedoms marches on. Hooray nanny state.
you mean like helmet laws?
But honestly what are some real examples of this in countries with nationalized health care? Where is {unicycling} banned?
Helmet laws are a great example, as are trans fats bans -- activities in which the only person at direct risk is the one partaking in the activity. We have added these laws as a direct result of the financial entanglements brought about by our medical insurance system. While a regrettable result, I don't think that is a good reason to limit a person's choice.
I don't know if there are similar examples in other countries to be honest, and I'm resigned to single payer being our best of many bad options at this point. I worry about the consequences and think that such a move will accelerate those limits on our freedom to do whatever we feel like doing.
I also think that consenting adults should be able to have a duel to settle disputes if they so desire, and I believe that "sin taxes" are as immoral as the moniker suggests, so I understand I'm at an extreme.
I think revenue from sin taxes should go toward programs that help cover the cost to society of the item being taxed. Tax revenue from cigarettes should go to cancer research, public awareness, etc. It only makes sense that sugar get taxed to help pay for healthcare, when most of our healthcare cost is related to obesity. I disagree with raising sin taxes to cover problems with general government funding issues, though.
Post by: michigancat on August 01, 2018, 03:29:57 PM
If you read the comments from those who are against it, most of the opposition seems to have more to do with poor people and immigrants getting healthcare than it does the increase in taxes that would be necessary to implement the program.
I think it will eventually lead to government forced prevention of unhealthy or risky activities, which I find far more problematic than the cost. The moment where we are coming up short of funds and some research says that we could save $500 billion a year in medical costs by banning {unicycling} is the moment where {unicycling} is banned and the degradation of our freedoms marches on. Hooray nanny state.
you mean like helmet laws?
But honestly what are some real examples of this in countries with nationalized health care? Where is {unicycling} banned?
Helmet laws are a great example, as are trans fats bans -- activities in which the only person at direct risk is the one partaking in the activity. We have added these laws as a direct result of the financial entanglements brought about by our medical insurance system. While a regrettable result, I don't think that is a good reason to limit a person's choice.
I don't know if there are similar examples in other countries to be honest, and I'm resigned to single payer being our best of many bad options at this point. I worry about the consequences and think that such a move will accelerate those limits on our freedom to do whatever we feel like doing.
I also think that consenting adults should be able to have a duel to settle disputes if they so desire, and I believe that "sin taxes" are as immoral as the moniker suggests, so I understand I'm at an extreme.
well, if you come across any real examples in a country with socialized medicine, let me know.
At a high level, I'm also against "sin taxes", FWIW
Post by: 8manpick on August 01, 2018, 03:32:10 PM
I think revenue from sin taxes should go toward programs that help cover the cost to society of the item being taxed. Tax revenue from cigarettes should go to cancer research, public awareness, etc. It only makes sense that sugar get taxed to help pay for healthcare, when most of our healthcare cost is related to obesity. I disagree with raising sin taxes to cover problems with general government funding issues, though.
I mean, that would be an improvement I suppose. I disagree with their existence on a fundamental level though. I probably shouldn't post at all in The Thread for Democratic Socialists if I expect to get any agreement on much.
Post by: michigancat on August 01, 2018, 03:43:55 PM
also I think sin taxes for food are especially wrong. Not everyone can afford, much less have easy access to places like Whole Foods. But that's probably an entirely different discussion.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 01, 2018, 03:50:13 PM
8manpick I think a good way to make sure we don't have a sin tax is to insist it be applied to fine wine and high end scotch and craft beer. No way in hell white people would accept it if framed in that context.
also I think sin taxes for food are especially wrong. Not everyone can afford, much less have easy access to places like Whole Foods. But that's probably an entirely different discussion.
You don't have to go to whole foods to find groceries that aren't twinkies and soda.
Post by: 8manpick on August 01, 2018, 03:50:53 PM
8manpick I think a good way to make sure we don't have a sin tax is to insist it be applied to fine wine and high end scotch and craft beer. No way in hell white people would accept it if framed in that context.I know this isn't your point but it already is applied to those things. The class, color and creed of the affected has no connection to my interpretation of the immorality of the tax.
also I think sin taxes for food are especially wrong. Not everyone can afford, much less have easy access to places like Whole Foods. But that's probably an entirely different discussion.
Post by: Kat Kid on August 01, 2018, 03:56:25 PM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 01, 2018, 03:57:36 PM
I feel like a lot of people worried about the consequences of “socializing” healthcare don’t understand how much the government is currently involved and how crappy of a piecemeal job it’s doing. (Not responding to anything Tom said.)
This is why people oppose it. Our government delivers nothing but the worst services imaginable, and nobody wants to sit in a waiting dying while some bad person takes his collectively bargained 1 hour lunch break.
Post by: michigancat on August 01, 2018, 03:57:39 PM
8manpick I think a good way to make sure we don't have a sin tax is to insist it be applied to fine wine and high end scotch and craft beer. No way in hell white people would accept it if framed in that context.I know this isn't your point but it already is applied to those things. The class, color and creed of the affected has no connection to my interpretation of the immorality of the tax.
also I think sin taxes for food are especially wrong. Not everyone can afford, much less have easy access to places like Whole Foods. But that's probably an entirely different discussion.
Perhaps, but it's tied to most people's interpretation of the immortality.
Post by: 8manpick on August 01, 2018, 03:59:58 PM
8manpick I think a good way to make sure we don't have a sin tax is to insist it be applied to fine wine and high end scotch and craft beer. No way in hell white people would accept it if framed in that context.I know this isn't your point but it already is applied to those things. The class, color and creed of the affected has no connection to my interpretation of the immorality of the tax.
also I think sin taxes for food are especially wrong. Not everyone can afford, much less have easy access to places like Whole Foods. But that's probably an entirely different discussion.
Perhaps, but it's tied to most people's interpretation of the immortality.
:D
I did phrase that somewhat wrong. I think sin taxes targeting anyone are immoral. I think sin taxes specifically targeting the poor (i.e. tobacco in 2018) are worse than neutral targeting.
Post by: Kat Kid on August 01, 2018, 04:01:41 PM
I feel like a lot of people worried about the consequences of “socializing” healthcare don’t understand how much the government is currently involved and how crappy of a piecemeal job it’s doing. (Not responding to anything Tom said.)
This is why people oppose it. Our government delivers nothing but the worst services imaginable, and nobody wants to sit in a waiting dying while some bad person takes his collectively bargained 1 hour lunch break.
You probably are dumb enough to actually think this.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 01, 2018, 05:56:03 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on August 01, 2018, 06:05:32 PM
Yeah, I was really going out on a ledge stating the government is inefficient and wasteful.
It is actually a good sign that you were bullshitting and don't really believe what you said that you are now backpedaling.
Post by: sys on August 04, 2018, 04:48:00 PM
Yeah, I was really going out on a ledge stating the government is inefficient and wasteful.
It is actually a good sign that you were bullshitting and don't really believe what you said that you are now backpedaling.
http://theweek.com/articles/787585/miracle-united-states-postal-service?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Post by: Kat Kid on August 04, 2018, 04:55:33 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 04, 2018, 06:02:56 PM
Yeah, I was really going out on a ledge stating the government is inefficient and wasteful.
It is actually a good sign that you were bullshitting and don't really believe what you said that you are now backpedaling.
Def wasn't bullshitting and def not backpadelling. Nobody wants dog crap govt medical services
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 04, 2018, 06:04:37 PM
the post office rules
:lol:
Post by: wetwillie on August 04, 2018, 06:44:24 PM
Post by: mocat on August 04, 2018, 07:01:03 PM
Wait does FSD think single payer means the govt runs medical facilities?!
I believe so
Post by: sys on August 04, 2018, 07:22:29 PM
Post by: mocat on August 04, 2018, 09:06:11 PM
the usps is to pubs/libertarians as july is to "it's cold outside" partisans.Haha
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 05, 2018, 09:57:24 AM
:lol:
Post by: wetwillie on August 05, 2018, 09:58:26 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 05, 2018, 10:02:46 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 05, 2018, 03:58:40 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on August 05, 2018, 05:37:26 PM
Also lol at the usps supporters. It loses billions of dollars a year while somehow paying people less than they'dmake at walmart.
Damn the US military loses so much money, they suck. Wish they could balance their books!
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 05, 2018, 06:41:53 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on August 05, 2018, 07:46:12 PM
AMAZE :D
were under the impression that the USPS was a business?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 09, 2018, 09:30:53 AM
Post by: sys on August 12, 2018, 08:19:53 PM
i'm not convinced she would have even won her district if primary turnout was typical of a normal non-ny primary election. which makes me skeptical of the size of the dsa surge in the democratic electorate. clearly it exists, but i think coverage of aoc has been excessive compared to the proportion of the electorate whose views she embodies.
i could be wrong. a lot of that gets back to how you view the sanders vote in 2016 (pro-socialist or anti-clinton/anti-insincere politician).
ok, you are confirmed mad.
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1028602756741967872
Post by: Kat Kid on August 12, 2018, 09:59:15 PM
Post by: catastrophe on August 12, 2018, 11:54:30 PM
Post by: sys on August 13, 2018, 03:08:49 PM
Post by: chum1 on August 14, 2018, 06:19:55 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 14, 2018, 09:37:02 PM
https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1028981897521770497
JFC, democrats :facepalm:
Post by: steve dave on August 15, 2018, 07:25:16 AM
I'm sad whenever I hear a "centrist" winning as a loss for a party.
yes
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 17, 2018, 01:12:19 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 17, 2018, 06:53:09 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 21, 2018, 10:13:25 AM
Post by: catastrophe on August 21, 2018, 10:22:57 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 21, 2018, 12:41:01 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 21, 2018, 12:45:07 PM
Hey libtards! What do you think of this dimwit being the face of your party????
Said the deranged trump supporter... :lol:
Post by: sys on August 21, 2018, 01:05:07 PM
Hey libtards! What do you think of this dimwit being the face of your party????
Said the deranged trump supporter... :lol:
:lol:
Post by: steve dave on August 24, 2018, 01:21:14 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 28, 2018, 09:08:29 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2018, 12:01:22 PM
https://twitter.com/reason/status/1034437453812121600
Post by: star seed 7 on August 28, 2018, 12:07:28 PM
Free market maverick?
https://twitter.com/reason/status/1034437453812121600
:lol: :lol: :lol:
What qualifies as big news these days. :lol:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2018, 12:15:39 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2018, 12:16:14 PM
“Once you capitalize the fund, you can provide every American with a modest basic income every year,” she wrote. “Besides cash in people’s pockets, it would also be a way of making every American feel more connected to our country and to one another — part of something bigger than ourselves.”
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/28/17774334/social-wealth-fund-bruenig-solidarity
Post by: Kat Kid on August 28, 2018, 12:47:11 PM
Matt Breunig is great.
Post by: sys on August 28, 2018, 08:31:54 PM
here's a profile.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/andrew-gillum-and-the-extent-of-the-progressive-revolution
Post by: sys on August 28, 2018, 08:41:08 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 29, 2018, 05:00:18 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 29, 2018, 06:40:14 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: steve dave on August 29, 2018, 09:55:46 PM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 04, 2018, 11:37:20 PM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ayanna-pressley-ousts-20-year-incumbent-michael-capuano-in-massachusetts-primary-shocker
Post by: michigancat on September 15, 2018, 07:01:39 PM
https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1041007083058024449?s=19
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 16, 2018, 01:37:55 PM
In a striking passage of her recent memoir What Happened?, Hillary Clinton revealed that during the 2016 presidential race, she considered a plan to give every American cash by starting a massive government-run investment fund.
“Once you capitalize the fund, you can provide every American with a modest basic income every year,” she wrote. “Besides cash in people’s pockets, it would also be a way of making every American feel more connected to our country and to one another — part of something bigger than ourselves.”
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/28/17774334/social-wealth-fund-bruenig-solidarity
:facepalm: :lol:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 16, 2018, 01:39:10 PM
Free market maverick?
https://twitter.com/reason/status/1034437453812121600
:lol:
Such an idiot. Appropriately the face of the neo-fascist left
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 16, 2018, 01:41:03 PM
Her photo shoot clothes enraged people
https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1041007083058024449?s=19
Such a perfect example of a socialist! LOVE IT! She's a caricature :lol:
Post by: sys on September 16, 2018, 04:22:04 PM
Post by: chum1 on September 16, 2018, 06:53:57 PM
https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1041386969962635264
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 16, 2018, 08:06:59 PM
i don't think pointing out how attractive she is is a good strategy for undermining aoc's popularity.
Misogyny!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 18, 2018, 03:26:31 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 18, 2018, 03:58:40 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 18, 2018, 04:01:22 PM
Project Veritas :lol:
"will you join our gorilla army"
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 18, 2018, 04:10:14 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 18, 2018, 04:10:36 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 18, 2018, 04:11:26 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 19, 2018, 03:01:02 PM
Post by: catastrophe on September 19, 2018, 03:22:07 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 19, 2018, 03:27:28 PM
Per Veritas these people have been referred to the OIG of their respective agencies.
Post by: mocat on September 20, 2018, 04:26:11 PM
Post by: Trim on September 20, 2018, 11:41:21 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 21, 2018, 09:49:12 PM
Post by: chum1 on September 22, 2018, 07:35:01 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 08, 2018, 08:15:57 PM
Quote
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a Democratic socialist hoping to represent New York’s 14th Congressional District, declared over the weekend that the Electoral College is a racist American relic that must be abolished.
“It is well past time we eliminate the Electoral College, a shadow of slavery’s power on America today that undermines our nation as a democratic republic,” the 28-year-old Boston University graduate tweeted to her 881,000 followers Saturday afternoon.
Post by: star seed 7 on October 08, 2018, 08:32:34 PM
Post by: catastrophe on October 08, 2018, 08:38:43 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 08, 2018, 09:06:37 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 08, 2018, 09:14:24 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 08, 2018, 09:21:14 PM
Post by: wetwillie on October 08, 2018, 09:32:05 PM
Post by: chum1 on October 29, 2018, 07:56:11 AM
https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1056649914120392705
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 29, 2018, 09:30:08 AM
I'm so glad she's the new spokesperson for the dems. She's like a caricature of their adolescent thinking.
Post by: chum1 on November 10, 2018, 07:31:21 AM
https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1061085365090611202
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 10, 2018, 07:59:00 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 11, 2018, 06:57:05 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ocasio-cortez-calls-question-about-how-to-pay-for-medicare-for-all-puzzling
:lol:
Post by: bucket on November 17, 2018, 09:32:24 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 18, 2018, 10:56:56 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsQIoj9VsAURoHR.jpg:large)
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 18, 2018, 11:04:26 AM
Post by: chum1 on November 18, 2018, 09:16:20 PM
Post by: puniraptor on November 18, 2018, 09:36:55 PM
Pfft it will be another 3 weeks before puni will even attempt to eat it
if it smells fine, its fine
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 18, 2018, 09:46:43 PM
https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1064354368256966659
:lol:
She's so rough ridin' stupid
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 19, 2018, 12:49:24 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 19, 2018, 12:52:48 PM
https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1064498797387100161
Post by: chum1 on November 19, 2018, 12:54:33 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 19, 2018, 12:57:20 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 19, 2018, 01:11:02 PM
She's basically left winged significantly more Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) significantly less accomplished sarah palin. SNL is going to have a field day with her.SNL won't touch her because of that.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 19, 2018, 01:16:08 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 19, 2018, 01:21:45 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 19, 2018, 01:23:13 PM
Oh man, she said chambers instead of branches, low iq alert, population: AOC
If the judiciary isn't a chamber or branch, then what is it, libderp????
:lol:
Post by: star seed 7 on November 19, 2018, 01:26:44 PM
Oh man, she said chambers instead of branches, low iq alert, population: AOC
If the judiciary isn't a chamber or branch, then what is it, libderp????
:lol:
Ha, I didn't even finish reading the quote, man she's so dumb.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 19, 2018, 01:27:22 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 19, 2018, 01:30:47 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 19, 2018, 01:32:14 PM
Thank God for the electoral college, AOC would be president without it.
^ highly intellectual point
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 19, 2018, 01:33:47 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 19, 2018, 01:38:32 PM
OTOH, remember when AOC said the electoral college was about slavery??? :lol: And libderp was like, "yeah that's right!"
:lol:
These people just are very smart
Post by: star seed 7 on November 19, 2018, 01:45:00 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on November 19, 2018, 01:57:56 PM
Post by: mocat on November 19, 2018, 02:43:28 PM
Post by: Woogy on November 19, 2018, 03:01:59 PM
Post by: bucket on November 19, 2018, 03:08:03 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 19, 2018, 03:10:30 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 20, 2018, 08:57:17 AM
(https://i.imgflip.com/2mys5i.jpg) (https://imgflip.com/i/2mys5i)
I legit lol’d
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2018, 04:44:02 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on November 20, 2018, 04:52:08 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2018, 04:55:02 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on November 20, 2018, 05:15:56 PM
:lol:
That was a for serious question. I don't even know who she is
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2018, 05:21:21 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2018, 05:24:35 PM
Post by: chum1 on November 20, 2018, 07:55:01 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2018, 08:57:19 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 20, 2018, 09:00:43 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2018, 09:12:47 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 20, 2018, 11:19:19 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 20, 2018, 11:51:19 PM
white men cant stop from hating on white and especially non white women. There are like 400 people in congress and the young “ethnic” chic from ny is the only thing middle aged white men can talk about. So weird.
They are enraged
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dr15ivzUcAAuS7d.jpg:large)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2018, 08:31:36 AM
white men cant stop from hating on white and especially non white women. There are like 400 people in congress and the young “ethnic” chic from ny is the only thing middle aged white men can talk about. So weird.:lol: Dumbass libs turning straight to race when it's her careless "everything should be free" takes is what's wrong with this world. :lol: Nobody gaf what color she is.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2018, 08:59:28 AM
https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1064932838955515904
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2018, 09:09:33 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 21, 2018, 09:14:47 AM
Post by: chum1 on November 21, 2018, 09:16:04 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 21, 2018, 09:18:17 AM
One of the great mysteries of low to middle income conservatives is how they refuse to vote in favor of their own financial interests. They instead prefer to vote in favor of the financial interests of the wealthy and concern themselves with things like whether poor people are getting too many handouts.
Not really mysterious that stupid people do stupid things. Someone once posted a link about the nitwits who think they will be rich soon so they are just killing the poors until their big break.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2018, 09:24:58 AM
Post by: 8manpick on November 21, 2018, 09:26:18 AM
Her whining about only having 7K in savings while most millennials have student loan debt up to their ears is definitely a savage move.
Why would you assume that someone with 7K in savings doesn’t have student loan debt? Given your background in the scam college business, I’d think you’d have a better understanding of this subject.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2018, 09:27:38 AM
Post by: 8manpick on November 21, 2018, 09:36:32 AM
lol. Personally attacking me for working a job to pay for my student loan debt. Bold strategy, Cotton!I didn’t attack you, hate the sin not the sinner.
Post by: sys on November 21, 2018, 10:06:38 AM
One of the great mysteries of low to middle income conservatives is how they refuse to vote in favor of their own financial interests. They instead prefer to vote in favor of the financial interests of the wealthy and concern themselves with things like whether poor people are getting too many handouts.
upper middle classes are currently moving very strongly towards voting against their economic interests. economic interests are only one of many interests.
Post by: sys on November 21, 2018, 10:08:13 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2018, 10:15:24 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 21, 2018, 10:20:51 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2018, 10:22:32 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 21, 2018, 10:26:05 AM
So what is it? Do dems hate Trump trying to find peace with socialist countries like Russia and NK or do they love socialist dems in power in the US? I can't wrap my head around which direction they're trying to go. Someone help me out here.
Do you think those things are somehow mutually exclusive?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2018, 10:28:58 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on November 21, 2018, 10:31:47 AM
So what is it? Do dems hate Trump trying to find peace with socialist countries like Russia and NK or do they love socialist dems in power in the US? I can't wrap my head around which direction they're trying to go. Someone help me out here.
lol
Post by: Spracne on November 21, 2018, 10:40:11 AM
it's rather amazing that conservatives think that highlighting that aoc is beautiful, well-dressed and frugal is going to make people like her less.Might make some female voters dislike her, tbh.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2018, 10:45:13 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on November 21, 2018, 10:52:16 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on November 21, 2018, 10:53:01 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2018, 10:55:37 AM
Post by: chum1 on November 21, 2018, 11:07:46 AM
economic interests are only one of many interests.
Obviously, things like owning the libs and reversing all the black president's stuff come before providing for one's family.
Post by: Phil Titola on November 21, 2018, 11:36:39 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2018, 11:40:23 AM
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Post by: wetwillie on November 21, 2018, 11:45:34 AM
"Fw: fw: re: Grandpa emails" is a :ROFL: line I don't care who you are or if you like this lady or not.
I did a double take it was so good
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 21, 2018, 11:51:24 AM
I agree that dems are massive hypocrites, ‘stone. Relax.
That wasn't at all what my post means.
Post by: chum1 on November 21, 2018, 12:36:42 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2018, 12:39:28 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2018, 12:46:23 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on November 21, 2018, 12:58:58 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on November 21, 2018, 01:03:29 PM
Socialism scares me man.
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It's already here.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 21, 2018, 01:04:58 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2018, 01:40:39 PM
Post by: mocat on November 21, 2018, 02:31:27 PM
Socialism scares me man.
what is socialism?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2018, 02:32:40 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 21, 2018, 02:32:50 PM
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Post by: mocat on November 21, 2018, 02:37:01 PM
mocat's point
tf?
Post by: Phil Titola on November 21, 2018, 02:37:19 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 21, 2018, 02:40:48 PM
By all means, clarify the record then, chodecat . . .mocat's point
tf?
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2018, 02:41:22 PM
Post by: mocat on November 21, 2018, 02:43:51 PM
wacky, what scares you about socialism?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2018, 02:46:32 PM
Post by: chum1 on November 21, 2018, 02:52:00 PM
*smiles*
*goes back to reading Gucci Mane book*
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Post by: Spracne on November 21, 2018, 02:58:26 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2018, 09:08:25 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 26, 2018, 12:33:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1064944542858780673
:lol:
She's such an idiot.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 26, 2018, 12:35:49 PM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 26, 2018, 12:47:17 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 26, 2018, 12:54:57 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 26, 2018, 01:02:33 PM
She apparently just learned about FDR's internment camps!!!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 26, 2018, 02:01:52 PM
I'm okay with it being ad hoc. Although, after reviewing her twitter feed for the first time, it would appear this thread should be being updated a LOT more often.
She apparently just learned about FDR's internment camps!!!
We can keep the hourly updates ITT for now.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 26, 2018, 02:36:57 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 26, 2018, 02:46:04 PM
https://twitter.com/ocasio2018/status/1067078115984375809
Post by: catastrophe on November 26, 2018, 03:41:28 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2018, 04:17:10 PM
Trigger warningIn terms of additional expense, the case workers would probably cost more.
https://twitter.com/ocasio2018/status/1067078115984375809
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 26, 2018, 04:28:19 PM
Post by: catastrophe on November 26, 2018, 05:16:20 PM
Post by: wetwillie on November 26, 2018, 05:19:19 PM
Yes the detention costs would be the difference maker. I’m still kind of surprised how one president suddenly got most Republicans not to care at all about gov
ernment waste.
No one ever cared from either party
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 26, 2018, 08:44:04 PM
Trigger warning
https://twitter.com/ocasio2018/status/1067078115984375809
A quick check shows there's no such thing as a refugee visa, so once again her message is bungled and completely ignorant. :lol:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 26, 2018, 08:46:15 PM
:ROFL:
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 26, 2018, 09:02:36 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2018, 09:14:45 PM
Trigger warning
https://twitter.com/ocasio2018/status/1067078115984375809
A quick check shows there's no such thing as a refugee visa, so once again her message is bungled and completely ignorant. :lol:
Yeah, I think it's pretty clear she's not very knowledgeable about how the system functions (I'm sure she was referring to Form I-589, or the seldom-successful Convention Against Torture). But then again, that no longer seems to matter, so . . .
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 26, 2018, 09:26:43 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2018, 09:29:16 PM
Yikes
How would the revelation that she's the young, female, minority, Democratic foil to Trump strike you? Lots of similarities.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 26, 2018, 09:32:35 PM
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Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2018, 09:33:42 PM
Yes, I agree. Neither of them know wtf they’re talking about. Lots of similarities of the blind following the blind to own the other party. Sad.
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And they're both ENRAGING
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 26, 2018, 09:36:14 PM
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Post by: sys on November 26, 2018, 09:37:42 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 26, 2018, 09:39:33 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 26, 2018, 09:41:52 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2018, 09:42:48 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 26, 2018, 09:44:28 PM
almost 63 million pubs chose trump. aoc was pushed into office by 16 k voters.
That's not true, millions of blue dog crats voted for trump, probs as many as pubs voted for the libertarian.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 26, 2018, 09:47:08 PM
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Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2018, 09:47:58 PM
Not great Spracs, but I find it scary how many dumbasses are raising her up. She could be the new Bernie in 2024.
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But you think it's a possibility? I shudder to think . . .
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 26, 2018, 09:48:15 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 26, 2018, 09:48:50 PM
Yes :frown:Not great Spracs, but I find it scary how many dumbasses are raising her up. She could be the new Bernie in 2024.
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But you think it's a possibility? I shudder to think . . .
Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2018, 09:51:04 PM
Yes :frown:Not great Spracs, but I find it scary how many dumbasses are raising her up. She could be the new Bernie in 2024.
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But you think it's a possibility? I shudder to think . . .
But you don't think she could be in play at all in 2020?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 26, 2018, 09:51:42 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 26, 2018, 09:54:10 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2018, 09:56:36 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 26, 2018, 10:00:51 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 26, 2018, 10:01:19 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 26, 2018, 10:02:25 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 26, 2018, 10:02:49 PM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 26, 2018, 10:12:28 PM
:lol:
Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2018, 10:18:21 PM
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Post by: catastrophe on November 26, 2018, 10:20:18 PM
Trigger warning
https://twitter.com/ocasio2018/status/1067078115984375809
A quick check shows there's no such thing as a refugee visa, so once again her message is bungled and completely ignorant. :lol:
Yeah, I think it's pretty clear she's not very knowledgeable about how the system functions (I'm sure she was referring to Form I-589, or the seldom-successful Convention Against Torture). But then again, that no longer seems to matter, so . . .
Are they refugees? Plenty of immigrants coming to the U.S./Mexico border may very well have a basis for a VISA application. Most, however, are likely seeking asylum which you can request (and have granted) even if detained after crossing the border illegally. Refugee status is not necessary in any event.
Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2018, 10:22:44 PM
Trigger warning
https://twitter.com/ocasio2018/status/1067078115984375809
A quick check shows there's no such thing as a refugee visa, so once again her message is bungled and completely ignorant.
Yeah, I think it's pretty clear she's not very knowledgeable about how the system functions (I'm sure she was referring to Form I-589, or the seldom-successful Convention Against Torture). But then again, that no longer seems to matter, so . . .
Are they refugees? Plenty of immigrants coming to the U.S./Mexico border may very well have a basis for a VISA application. Most, however, are likely seeking asylum which you can request (and have granted) even if detained after crossing the border illegally. Refugee status is not necessary in any event.
Well, I hear you. But actually, qualifying as a "refugee" under statutory definition is a threshold matter for qualifying for asylum, under the INA.
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Post by: catastrophe on November 26, 2018, 10:36:37 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2018, 10:57:07 PM
The INA uses a statutorily-defined term of "refugee" for asylum, but my comment was with reference to the way the term is more commonly used, including through programs the U.S. makes available to applicants separate from the asylum process.I like you, so I'm not trying to get into a nit-picky back-and-forth, but I'm curious what Visa programs you think these claimants might in good faith be claiming, erm, "protection" under?
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Post by: DaBigTrain on November 26, 2018, 11:05:11 PM
Post by: catastrophe on November 26, 2018, 11:07:24 PM
Relatives of US citizens/lawful permanent residents would probably be the most common basis.
Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2018, 11:09:35 PM
Just so everyone knows I issued a Trigger Warning, didn’t expect it to be this epic.You can't read critically. It's ok, squirt.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on November 26, 2018, 11:10:23 PM
Just so everyone knows I issued a Trigger Warning, didn’t expect it to be this epic.You can't read critically. It's ok, squirt.
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That comment wasn’t meant for you, bud.
Post by: Spracne on November 26, 2018, 11:15:53 PM
I don’t recall saying anything about protection. You can find the common grounds for immigration visa applications on the department of state’s website: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrate.htmlBut you don't really think these folks are on this journey just to get to the border, take a ticket, and retreat back to Central America for a few years (decades?) while their relatively unimportant claims are processed, do you?
Relatives of US citizens/lawful permanent residents would probably be the most common basis.
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Post by: Phil Titola on November 27, 2018, 06:04:03 AM
Who knew saying dumb/ignorant things would really enrage them... You know. .. With who they voted for to be the leader of the Free world and all.... Wonder why the difference in emotions?
Post by: chum1 on November 27, 2018, 06:32:27 AM
I still don't know who she is but man the Republicans in this blog sure do.
Who knew saying dumb/ignorant things would really enrage them... You know. .. With who they voted for to be the leader of the Free world and all.... Wonder why the difference in emotions?
The difference is that AOC is vile, morally reprehensible, and cares only about herself. Trump, on the other hand, is gracious, ethical, and compassionate.
Post by: sys on November 27, 2018, 08:28:32 AM
I realize the facts are irrelevant when it comes to popular politics, but the legal standard for asylum has remained unchanged for some time, and generally unsafe country conditions (in the absence of persecution based on membership in a protected group, such as religion à la the Holocaust) are not--and have not been--a valid basis for asylum. So yes, she's merely playing upon the ignorance of her supporters. That kind of rings a bell .
completely irregardless of whether or not they are likely to be granted asylum, under international and us law they must be granted a hearing.
Post by: sys on November 27, 2018, 08:30:42 AM
Well, I hear you. But actually, qualifying as a "refugee" under statutory definition is a threshold matter for qualifying for asylum, under the INA.
i looked this up over the summer. the only difference between an asylee and a refugee is their location.
Post by: catastrophe on November 27, 2018, 09:19:11 AM
I don’t recall saying anything about protection. You can find the common grounds for immigration visa applications on the department of state’s website: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/immigrate.htmlBut you don't really think these folks are on this journey just to get to the border, take a ticket, and retreat back to Central America for a few years (decades?) while their relatively unimportant claims are processed, do you?
Relatives of US citizens/lawful permanent residents would probably be the most common basis.
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They don’t know what rights they have under US or international law. All they know is that almost anything is preferable to keeping their family where they are. If someone explained the asylum process and legal standard yeah, I think they’d probably gladly go with a visa application option if given the opportunity.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 27, 2018, 11:08:03 AM
Dear AOC defenders and similarly dimwitted socialists, these people aren't eligible for asylum because they are not refugees and they aren't eligible for visas because they haven't applied, nor meet any requisite criteria.
Your third hand, half assed, heardabout knowledge of some ways foreiners can gain access to the country doesn't change those facts. Shut up. Let's get back to LOL'ing at this idiot woman you think should be president.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 27, 2018, 11:47:20 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 27, 2018, 12:09:05 PM
wait, are the resident pubs all taking everything that AOC says literally?
it's hilarious
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 27, 2018, 01:19:18 PM
wait, are the resident pubs all taking everything that AOC says literally?
they are if they are huge morons. She is obviously trolling. 4D chess
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 27, 2018, 01:21:35 PM
Post by: mocat on November 27, 2018, 02:04:17 PM
Not great Spracs, but I find it scary how many dumbasses are raising her up.
haha, this was my favorite part
Post by: chum1 on November 27, 2018, 06:57:52 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 27, 2018, 07:06:16 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 27, 2018, 07:50:47 PM
They should hate her bevause she is already a master at trolling themUh oh
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 27, 2018, 07:52:25 PM
They hate her because she's a brown person who wants to take money from decent, hard-working white people and give it to lowly, lazy brown people. Same as Obama.Love these straight to racists takes. I didn’t zone in on how Chum handled Bernie Sanders, how did he handle it?!
Post by: chum1 on November 27, 2018, 07:55:56 PM
Love these straight to racists takes.
Well, it's the truth and it doesn't do any good to pretend otherwise.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 27, 2018, 08:03:33 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 27, 2018, 08:04:39 PM
Yeah Bernie got some attention from conservatives but nothing compared to AOC. She terrifies them in a way Bernie never has.Love these straight to racists takes.
Well, it's the truth and it doesn't do any good to pretend otherwise.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 27, 2018, 08:07:27 PM
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on November 27, 2018, 08:16:43 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 27, 2018, 08:34:33 PM
https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1066838868593393666?s=19
:lol:
She's completely delusional and childishly ignorant. She's basically a meme of a left-winged fucktard. If it wasn't for this thread, I'd have no idea who she is. And I thank goE for introducing me to this phenomenon.
Post by: catastrophe on November 28, 2018, 08:58:45 AM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 28, 2018, 09:07:27 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 28, 2018, 09:10:03 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 28, 2018, 09:12:50 AM
Social media shows daily show highlights a lot, 'stone. Get with the times.
ah, got it. so you are watching clips of The View on FB. That is very with the times
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 28, 2018, 09:19:23 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 28, 2018, 10:58:52 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 28, 2018, 10:59:29 AM
How about if:
- you aren't an ignorant moron, or
- have no interest in citing consensus that AOC is an idiot, or
- support whackadoo socialist democrats
You don't get a seat at the table with people laughing at this woman child!
:lol:
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Post by: DaBigTrain on November 28, 2018, 12:47:33 PM
just from rage alone, conservatives have made an unknown member of congress into a national celebrity, somehow further enraging themselves. it's really something.
This exactly explains what I have been thinking. It’s just incredible how triggered they get.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 28, 2018, 12:54:22 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 28, 2018, 01:26:22 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 28, 2018, 01:27:57 PM
I think he’s talking about THE daily show.
Not still on tv.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 28, 2018, 01:31:54 PM
Also, calling my shot, she'll be on SNL within the next year. So yeah, i'd say she's worth talking about.
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Post by: star seed 7 on November 28, 2018, 01:58:29 PM
its definitely a weird fixation for sure, but right wing crazies have fixated on weirder things I suppose. knock yourselves out is what I say. AOC 24/7.
Yeah absolutely, I love it
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 28, 2018, 02:22:18 PM
I don't watch those shows, so I really don't know what they are or gaf what specific show she's been on. I see her clips and interviews of her being on TV since like last May. Sorry the specifics weren't on point for you, 'stone. Everyone please stop making fun of AOC. They just can't handle it. More threads about Trump being Hitler please.
Also, calling my shot, she'll be on SNL within the next year. So yeah, i'd say she's worth talking about.
so nothing that really exists.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 28, 2018, 02:27:42 PM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 29, 2018, 10:06:11 AM
Man, I remember the days of fun loving 'stone on here. Now he's just an obnoxious ass hole. 2016 changed him so much. Sad. :frown:
100% of me mocking you is fun loving bud. Everyone enjoys it
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 29, 2018, 10:47:07 AM
:cheers:Man, I remember the days of fun loving 'stone on here. Now he's just an obnoxious ass hole. 2016 changed him so much. Sad. :frown:
100% of me mocking you is fun loving bud. Everyone enjoys it
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 04, 2018, 12:28:52 PM
:lol:
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the Department of Defense has not even spent $21 trillion in the over 70 years that it has existed.https://www.dailywire.com/news/38941/ocasio-cortez-gets-roasted-after-strikingly-ryan-saavedra
Riedl noted that the entire Pentagon budget from 1789-2018 has only totaled $18 trillion, which is based on records from the Office of Management and Budget.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 04, 2018, 07:39:49 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 04, 2018, 08:08:19 PM
https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1069455599149219840?s=19
Post by: star seed 7 on December 04, 2018, 10:04:42 PM
https://twitter.com/BarnesWhip/status/1069640657076133889
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 04, 2018, 10:53:33 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on December 05, 2018, 06:53:40 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1069584730880974849?s=21
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 05, 2018, 09:33:14 AM
No way they would ever make fun of herYeah, they didn't.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 05, 2018, 10:37:20 AM
:curse: :shakesfist: :angry:
:ROFL:
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Post by: mocat on December 05, 2018, 11:35:27 AM
Lol
https://twitter.com/BarnesWhip/status/1069640657076133889
"she is being raised up"
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 06, 2018, 05:02:31 PM
I wish people would stop killing ducks. What do they even need them for besides duck tape.
:lol:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 06, 2018, 05:06:47 PM
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Unemployment is low because people are working 80 hours a week
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"A 17-year-old can walk into a shop" and purchase an assault weapon
Apologies in advance to the resident libtards that believe this stuff
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 06, 2018, 08:37:35 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on December 06, 2018, 08:47:27 PM
These are AMAZE :love:QuoteUnemployment is low because people are working 80 hours a weekQuote"A 17-year-old can walk into a shop" and purchase an assault weapon
Apologies in advance to the resident libtards that believe this stuff
that 17 year old BETTER be able to buy that gun. #shallnotbeinfringed
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 08, 2018, 08:05:18 AM
https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1071115755041800192?s=19
I'd say the "troll" was effective :ROFL:
Post by: DaBigTrain on December 08, 2018, 09:56:00 AM
Now she is threatening DJT Jr with a subpoena, which she of course doesn't have the power to do. :lol:
https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1071115755041800192?s=19
I'd say the "troll" was effective :ROFL:
Yikes. Your reading comprehension skills are fading by the day.
Post by: wetwillie on December 08, 2018, 11:17:11 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 08, 2018, 02:04:47 PM
Looks like the The mean ole GOP helped her figure out her dum dum
https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1071137104657334274?s=19
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 08, 2018, 03:11:09 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 10, 2018, 09:51:01 AM
https://ocasiomemes.com/memes/amp/
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 10, 2018, 02:36:38 PM
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Post by: chum1 on December 12, 2018, 08:31:49 AM
https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1072678976823418881
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 12, 2018, 09:30:45 AM
Lmao
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 12, 2018, 09:34:01 AM
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We need to invent technology that hasn't been invented yet
:D
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 13, 2018, 11:41:52 AM
https://twitter.com/JoshuaGreen/status/1072668522973724672
:Carl:
Post by: chum1 on December 23, 2018, 03:40:55 PM
https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1076894689352142848
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 29, 2018, 12:25:44 AM
https://twitter.com/ocasio2018/status/1078795093157601281?s=21
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Post by: steve dave on December 29, 2018, 08:57:42 AM
After looking at that coverage chart someone posted earlier, I now understand why the Trumpers keep calling AOC the “face of the Democratic Party” even though no one else is.
yeah, it's incred how much coverage she gets on those outlets
Post by: 8manpick on December 29, 2018, 11:07:13 AM
Also, this is the new dem party going against trump right now. :facepalm:. Give us a decent candidate plz. Your party sucks right now, worse than the GOP believe it or not. eff!So the most junior democratic representative is not a good enough candidate to face the President. Damn
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Post by: DaBigTrain on December 29, 2018, 11:29:24 AM
now that hillary is fading out of the picture (for most...) they need to find a punching bag to appease their viewers. she checks a lot of boxes for their punching bag. female, liberal, socialist, young, the list could go on.
Extremely accurate.
Post by: sys on December 29, 2018, 11:30:23 AM
She has 1.2 million followers now on twitter and has a character on SNL. You can’t make her go away now, sys.
maga needed for her to rise and she rose.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 29, 2018, 11:30:52 AM
Lol. You rube.now that hillary is fading out of the picture (for most...) they need to find a punching bag to appease their viewers. she checks a lot of boxes for their punching bag. female, liberal, socialist, young, the list could go on.
Extremely accurate.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on December 29, 2018, 11:32:12 AM
Lol. You rube.now that hillary is fading out of the picture (for most...) they need to find a punching bag to appease their viewers. she checks a lot of boxes for their punching bag. female, liberal, socialist, young, the list could go on.
Extremely accurate.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 29, 2018, 11:50:38 AM
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Post by: steve dave on December 29, 2018, 11:50:53 AM
I've honestly only heard about this lady in fox news and on here....in this thread.
ksudub had a good first hand review of her speaking. most of what I know about her comes from that.
Post by: Phil Titola on December 29, 2018, 11:54:52 AM
How many times are you going to tell this same story, Phil?
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it's still accurate but updated (I posted before I never heard of her)...it is just weird for as much as this thread wants everyone to believe she is the leader of the libs...figured she would be more prominent.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 29, 2018, 11:59:21 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on December 29, 2018, 12:06:18 PM
Just because you live under a rock doesn’t make her not prominent. 1.2 million followers, SNL, the daily show, etc. As politically informed you claim to be, sounds like you’re doing it wrong.
I've never claimed to be politically informed...quite the opposite said multiple times I only came down to the pit because of you rubes electing a reality show morally empty person to lead our country.
This should be reflected in your detailed notes about me. You are right, I did see her on SNL though.
https://twitter.com/TheTweetOfGod has 5+ Million followers....it's not actually God though. Not sure 1.2MM followers is a huge deal...hell Trump lost by more votes than that.
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Post by: Phil Titola on December 29, 2018, 12:16:08 PM
Congrats, Phil. We’ll stop making fun of her to make you feel better, ok? Also, lol, you live in the pit. Not even the hiring of a new football coach could keep you out of here during that time.
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Def keep lol'ing at her typos and dumb comments....I'm happy it makes you happy.
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Post by: sys on December 29, 2018, 12:23:39 PM
Def keep lol'ing at her typos and dumb comments....I'm happy it makes you happy.
i can't even tell what wacky thought was interesting or stupid about her latest tweet.
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Post by: Phil Titola on December 29, 2018, 12:26:27 PM
Phil, you do this amazing thing on here where you talk a large amount of crap and then back up when retorted like “whoa, fella, #1cat”. It really is amazing. I’m going to make fun of a dumbass socialist all day long. Relax, it’s Saturday.
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You take all of this too seriously....(e.g. me posting I've never heard of this lady is "talk a large amount of crap")....I'm all for lol'ing at her, pile it on!
I'll run up to the fb thread and give my deeply insightful opinion on Klie....someone else I had never hear of until Gene hired the dude.....
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 29, 2018, 12:31:31 PM
Post by: steve dave on December 29, 2018, 12:34:19 PM
Post by: sys on December 29, 2018, 12:34:46 PM
That she’s more illiterate than me and she’s in DC.
as far as i can tell, their supporters like it when trump and aoc tweet unedited, error riddled stuff because they think it means they are "authentic" and not over-produced politicians.
Post by: Phil Titola on December 29, 2018, 12:36:17 PM
I’ve done a really good job of not taking it seriously lately and staying out of the pit, until I found joy in this dumbass lib socialist. And then I have to hear from resident libs in the pit like “lol, why do you guys even gaf about this chick?” When these same ppl posting this stuff circle jerk down here 24/7 lol’ing at every gop person that breaths in DC. The oxymoron exists.
I think you are right though, this place isn't good for the brain unless you can laugh at all of it which is what I try and do....i honestly dgaf about national politics 99% of the time. I'm a local politics guy. I just am still dumbfounded two years later that Trump is our leader. mindnumbing.
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Post by: Phil Titola on December 29, 2018, 12:43:17 PM
Fair. :cheers:
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have a good new years :cheers:
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Post by: steve dave on December 29, 2018, 01:16:49 PM
https://twitter.com/ocasio2018/status/1078802221171650561?s=21
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https://twitter.com/royvalverde7/status/1078914711880577024?s=21
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So gross
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they have posted that image 4 different times since they created the account this month.
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Post by: steve dave on December 29, 2018, 07:37:24 PM
^pretty sensitive for a russian troll...changed his pic to a lion
it is though
Post by: Institutional Control on December 31, 2018, 12:29:37 PM
now that hillary is fading out of the picture (for most...) they need to find a punching bag to appease their viewers. she checks a lot of boxes for their punching bag. female, liberal, socialist, young, the list could go on.And Hispanic.
Imagine if she looked like Lena Dunham. The obsession would 10 times as great.
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Post by: Phil Titola on January 03, 2019, 04:09:31 PM
Holy crap, conservative Twitter is enraged over the wholesome fun having. lmao.
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It's pretty grotesque
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 03, 2019, 05:14:30 PM
Elite shirt on AOCBoss school for Harvard and BC rejects, I agree. JK- ‘Stone post
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Post by: Spracne on January 03, 2019, 05:40:35 PM
Only huge studs like Boss Hogg can get into Harvard. BU is significantly above poor BC thoThat's arguable, considering BC is ranked higher than BU in USNWR.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 03, 2019, 05:44:25 PM
Only huge studs like Boss Hogg can get into Harvard. BU is significantly above poor BC thoThat's arguable, considering BC is ranked higher than BU in USNWR.
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Post by: Spracne on January 03, 2019, 05:46:51 PM
Only huge studs like Boss Hogg can get into Harvard. BU is significantly above poor BC thoThat's arguable, considering BC is ranked higher than BU in USNWR.
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I'm talking undergrad rankings. Why would law school rankings be relevant, Dug?
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I knew AOC received her undergraduate degree from BU, but I had no idea she also received her JD there. Wow.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 03, 2019, 05:54:47 PM
I knew AOC received her undergraduate degree from BU, but I had no idea she also received her JD there. Wow.Lol
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Congrats SpracsyCat08
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Post by: steve dave on January 04, 2019, 08:57:13 AM
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1080998665672630272?s=21
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 04, 2019, 09:16:07 AM
can someone like wacky or ksuw who hates AOC explain why they hate AOC?I've already done this for you before. Maybe look back why I hate socialism. Jesus, chode.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 04, 2019, 09:21:43 AM
OK!
wacky, what scares you about socialism?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 04, 2019, 09:22:34 AM
It's a system that ignores incentives. Economies have crumbled due to it's usage. I think some of it has reasonable logic, but it always fails!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 04, 2019, 09:23:02 AM
I'm just a stupid boot strapper tho who increased his yearly earnings this year by 30%. So what do I know?
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Post by: mocat on January 04, 2019, 09:26:51 AM
but what has she actually done to get singled out like this
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I can't wait for the Democrats to get their crap together like the Repubs have.Nobody said that. They both suck ass.
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Post by: mocat on January 04, 2019, 10:06:24 AM
She's scary
:dunno:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 04, 2019, 10:08:24 AM
https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1081210775111430146
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 04, 2019, 10:19:13 AM
The downgrade portions of the right are unable to handle her. They just can’t deal with it.
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1080998665672630272?s=21
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They boo’d her?!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 04, 2019, 10:22:47 AM
The right: "Here's her insane political platform....."
The left: "They hate her because they're racist"
The right: "Socialism has killed countries... (Shows examples)"
The left: "RACISTS!"
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 04, 2019, 10:26:24 AM
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Post by: Phil Titola on January 04, 2019, 11:01:16 AM
The Democratic party is lost right now and easily influenced when it comes to cool, hip, trendy, popular representatives. Problem is most of the people who vote for these type of candidates have no idea what they're actually voting for, because they're not informed. She's scary, because I think she could be a real threat in the future.
I understand all your other reasons on an lol level except this one....you give Democratic party too much credit if you think they are going to change positioning based on this lady.
There are 5 of these representatives on both sides of the aisle....it is weird she is the one getting so much attention. ...I mean boos when she votes? Talk about insecure. Wow.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 04, 2019, 11:03:39 AM
Post by: 8manpick on January 04, 2019, 11:05:03 AM
eff YOUR HARD WORK!- AOC
https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1081210775111430146
Did you know that when America was great (MAGA) 1950's, the top tax brackets were higher than that?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 04, 2019, 11:21:47 AM
eff YOUR HARD WORK!- AOC
https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1081210775111430146
Did you know that when America was great (MAGA) 1950's, the top tax brackets were higher than that?
“No, I did not”
People who hate AOC
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 04, 2019, 11:28:15 AM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 04, 2019, 11:30:03 AM
I never took ‘stone for a socialist. Wow! :love:
I’m surprised you are too. We both learned something
Post by: LickNeckey on January 04, 2019, 11:32:31 AM
eff YOUR HARD WORK!- AOC
https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1081210775111430146
would this level of taxation be less or more than was in place when america was last great
sorry did not finishing reading before posting.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 04, 2019, 12:01:59 PM
were the boo'ers elected members of congress or just like random crazies?Would have to be or else the analogy fails
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Post by: Phil Titola on January 04, 2019, 12:10:59 PM
Bernie almost happened. That's all i'm saying. She's younger too and just starting out.
And the Dem leadership made sure he didn't even after his years of service and trying to get a foothold. Basically proves my point.
Post by: Phil Titola on January 04, 2019, 12:13:31 PM
did people actually get upset about her dancing video or was it one tweet?
I'm sure there are some crazies/bots on Twitter that we're going nuts trying to get something going.
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Our stoner has a boner :fatty:@cas4ksu Please consider this post when evaluating this years posts. :D
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 04, 2019, 12:46:57 PM
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1081251240951066624Nailed it
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JESSE KELLY (THE FEDERALIST): She’s kind of cute though, Grant.
STINCHFIELD: Well throw that picture back up. You’re telling me, you’re telling me that that is cute? I know you have a thing for [Sen.] Kamala Harris [D-CA], too.
KELLY: There is nothing wrong with a little bit of crazy, man. A little bit of crazy can be fun.I’m not talking about marrying her, I'm just talking about a date or two, she looks kind of cute.
STINCHFIELD: Could you imagine that look when she’s mad at you because you didn't take out the trash? That’s what you’re going to get.
https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2019/01/04/federalist-s-jesse-kelly-fantasizes-about-dating-rep-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-little-bit-crazy-can/222424
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https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1081334030568570880?s=21
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Post by: mocat on January 05, 2019, 01:15:07 AM
Let’s be fair, if tbt thought Obama was caring this wave (obviously has no clue on either agenda) he’s all in!
Yes
Post by: chum1 on January 05, 2019, 08:36:02 AM
https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/1081311376814034944
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Who “gets it” on marginal taxation? The usual suspects for explaining variation in policy knowledge are education, income, political interest, partisanship, union membership and political knowledge.
The data points directly at only one culprit. You guessed it: party. Democrats get it right and Republicans don’t. The figure shows the details. Democrats run about 25 percentage points more likely to get this answer right than Republicans (independents, not pictured, run 15 percentage points more likely to get it right than Republicans).
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https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-heffernan-ocasio-cortez-and-misogyny-20190104-story.html?fbclid=IwAR218ovkX4IKKt4fAQ8QRTQpfJHl1xm46vNbtGz3Mv7-NjaW-Aj9T8XlPFQLove these
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 05, 2019, 11:42:54 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwIvbO0WoAAz2JN?format=jpg&name=large)
Shapiro has definitely lost his crap over her
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 05, 2019, 12:03:58 PM
I mean, AOC can't enact crap and Trump is actually, literally taking tax dollars from the wealthy and giving them to people for not working.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 05, 2019, 12:10:10 PM
Post by: mocat on January 05, 2019, 12:36:18 PM
What if she is a part of a plot to enrage the Trumpers so they don't notice that Trump is actually enacting socialistic wealth redistribution policies and not just talking about it?!
I mean, AOC can't enact crap and Trump is actually, literally taking tax dollars from the wealthy and giving them to people for not working.
scary
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What if she is a part of a plot to enrage the Trumpers so they don't notice that Trump is actually enacting socialistic wealth redistribution policies and not just talking about it?!
I mean, AOC can't enact crap and Trump is actually, literally taking tax dollars from the wealthy and giving them to people for not working.
scary
Extremely.
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https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1081234130841600000
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It’s just another wacky WednesdayYou like socialism?
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irl sadHammered AF
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Go for tube eff
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The Word.
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Lol.Luh you
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Post by: 8manpick on January 05, 2019, 11:49:43 PM
Bro, I’m good these days. We have 1 thread making fun of Dems these days and ppl are losing their minds over it. I’m about to be a father in 9 months. Let me make fun of these dorks. :cheers:Yeeeee! Excited for you friend! Enjoy
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:cheers:Bro, I’m good these days. We have 1 thread making fun of Dems these days and ppl are losing their minds over it. I’m about to be a father in 9 months. Let me make fun of these dorks. :cheers:Yeeeee! Excited for you friend! Enjoy
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Post by: 8manpick on January 05, 2019, 11:56:32 PM
Like, I seriously think socialism is a joke, tbt and Mocat are followers and I’m legit laughing at them for not understanding history. Anyways, I’ll be in Chicago a lot the next few months.If you don't PM me or find a way to find me...
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Like, I seriously think socialism is a joke, tbt and Mocat are followers and I’m legit laughing at them for not understanding history. Anyways, I’ll be in Chicago a lot the next few months.
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https://www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/opinion/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-tax-policy-dance.amp.html?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2019%2F01%2F05%2Fopinion%2Falexandria-ocasio-cortez-tax-policy-dance.html
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 06, 2019, 08:15:02 AM
Like, I seriously think socialism is a joke, tbt and Mocat are followers and I’m legit laughing at them for not understanding history. Anyways, I’ll be in Chicago a lot the next few months.
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https://www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/opinion/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-tax-policy-dance.amp.html?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2019%2F01%2F05%2Fopinion%2Falexandria-ocasio-cortez-tax-policy-dance.html
Wow that guy really doesn’t know his history or how taxes work. He should really get educated.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on January 06, 2019, 11:27:51 AM
Lol. Congrats on the opinion piece, Chief.
Did you read it?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 06, 2019, 11:33:27 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 06, 2019, 11:36:53 AM
I stopped half way because of how giddy the writer was. I’m well aware of past economies, that history doesn’t mean crap in 2019. You think taxing the CEO of Amazon 80% is a good idea, TBT? You don’t think that would change his ways on how he compensates his employees? Just so we can take care of some lazy POS who doesn’t want to work and needs healthcare? Great stuff.
I appreciate the effort to try and expand your understanding of something that is very foreign to you. Baby steps lead to momentum in the right direction.
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Post by: Phil Titola on January 06, 2019, 12:56:41 PM
I stopped half way because of how giddy the writer was. I’m well aware of past economies, that history doesn’t mean crap in 2019. You think taxing the CEO of Amazon 80% is a good idea, TBT? You don’t think that would change his ways on how he compensates his employees? Just so we can take care of some lazy POS who doesn’t want to work and needs healthcare? Great stuff.
eff the less fortunate amirite?
Post by: wetwillie on January 06, 2019, 01:34:59 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 06, 2019, 01:38:22 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 06, 2019, 01:49:51 PM
What on earth happened here
I theorize a bunch of drinks logged in a little too late. Pretty distributing
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 06, 2019, 02:35:31 PM
Post by: Spracne on January 06, 2019, 02:39:26 PM
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Post by: mocat on January 06, 2019, 03:00:45 PM
Post by: sys on January 06, 2019, 03:15:10 PM
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The right’s denunciation of AOC’s “insane” policy ideas serves as a very good reminder of who is actually insane.
The controversy of the moment involves AOC’s advocacy of a tax rate of 70-80 percent on very high incomes, which is obviously crazy, right? I mean, who thinks that makes sense? Only ignorant people like … um, Peter Diamond, Nobel laureate in economics and arguably the world’s leading expert on public finance.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/opinion/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-tax-policy-dance.html
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Post by: sys on January 06, 2019, 03:25:42 PM
Thanks, Sysluke!
heh. the url was so long i just assumed it was something i wouldn't be interested in.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 06, 2019, 03:26:27 PM
Post by: sys on January 06, 2019, 03:29:46 PM
https://twitter.com/ernietedeschi/status/1081725446243434496
Post by: Phil Titola on January 06, 2019, 03:33:16 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 06, 2019, 03:36:03 PM
What on earth happened here
A congresswoman posted a tweet of her having fun and dancing and then I posted it on gE.com/pit and then some people got upset
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 06, 2019, 03:36:42 PM
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Post by: steve dave on January 06, 2019, 03:37:11 PM
Post by: chum1 on January 06, 2019, 10:54:28 PM
https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1082131224423006208
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 06, 2019, 10:57:16 PM
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Post by: chum1 on January 06, 2019, 11:11:58 PM
I love that Chum is obsessed over her honestly
I love it all. The most important issue here is NO U. Incredible.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 07, 2019, 07:44:49 AM
Fiscal conservatives. The horror! :emawkid:I love that Chum is obsessed over her honestly
I love it all. The most important issue here is NO U. Incredible.
Post by: Institutional Control on January 07, 2019, 07:58:00 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 07, 2019, 09:03:31 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 07, 2019, 09:26:17 AM
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1082123528009334786
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 07, 2019, 10:08:40 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 07, 2019, 10:13:29 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 07, 2019, 10:16:29 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 07, 2019, 10:17:27 AM
Trump is not a fiscal conservative btw. Go ahead and write that down.
Which republicans are? Certainly not any of them who voted for the last budget.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 07, 2019, 10:19:20 AM
Trump is not a fiscal conservative btw. Go ahead and write that down.
Which republicans are? Certainly not any of them who voted for the last budget.
Or the tax cut
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 07, 2019, 10:19:53 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 07, 2019, 10:21:01 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 07, 2019, 10:21:40 AM
Post by: 8manpick on January 07, 2019, 10:22:15 AM
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Post by: steve dave on January 07, 2019, 10:22:44 AM
Ronald mother rough ridin' Reagan mother fuckers! :love:
lmao
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 07, 2019, 10:23:24 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 07, 2019, 10:24:52 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 07, 2019, 10:36:58 AM
Post by: sys on January 07, 2019, 10:39:57 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 07, 2019, 10:42:00 AM
:lol:
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1082123528009334786
She should have been a republican. Would have elected her president
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 07, 2019, 10:43:19 AM
Post by: sys on January 07, 2019, 10:46:08 AM
Bush 1 probably is the best answer, and Republicans abandoned him for prudently raising taxes
hw and clinton both. one was voted out of office and the other was impeached.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 07, 2019, 10:48:11 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 07, 2019, 10:48:33 AM
Or both sides are full of crap. That could be the case too, phil.
Definitely. Your example is a junior rep ....the current republican torchbearer for that statement is the commander in chief. Woof.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 07, 2019, 10:49:50 AM
Hasn't every president increased our national debt since the history of time?
Most presidents operate under deficit, but the current deficit with the economy doing as well as it is doing is an absolute joke. The only other time it was ever this bad was W's last year/Obama's first year, when there was a big spending bill to avoid an economic collapse in 2008.
Post by: chum1 on January 07, 2019, 10:50:03 AM
https://twitter.com/ryanlcooper/status/1082304291287781378
similar
https://twitter.com/maxwelltani/status/1082299311608786947
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 07, 2019, 10:50:16 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 07, 2019, 10:51:26 AM
Post by: sys on January 07, 2019, 10:53:10 AM
So sys, your stance is open borders for all, tax the eff out of everyone to pay for the poor, all 'pubs are POS, etc. Do I have that right?
you have "all 'pubs are pieces of crap" correct. you have the others wrong.
Post by: LickNeckey on January 07, 2019, 10:53:36 AM
Ronald mother rough ridin' Reagan mother fuckers! :love:
The correct answer here was Bill Clinton.
Post by: Phil Titola on January 07, 2019, 10:53:56 AM
She's more popular than Trump right now though. I understand she's a junior rep, but I think you're underestimating how big she is for the democratic party right now. It's a new wave.
Her dancing really put her over the top I think....I appreciate your early heads up on her so we could all figure out who she was.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2019, 11:45:07 AM
Ronald mother rough ridin' Reagan mother fuckers! :love:
lol wut?
Post by: Trim on January 07, 2019, 12:08:53 PM
https://twitter.com/SCC_Insight/status/1082290885595926528
They walk among us! :runaway:
Post by: chum1 on January 07, 2019, 01:00:21 PM
:lol:
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1082123528009334786
Bad quote from her. Also a quote taken way out of context. She says that being factually correct is absolutely important.
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1082344081567768576
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 07, 2019, 01:58:42 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on January 07, 2019, 02:27:17 PM
https://twitter.com/karol/status/1082070476350992384
No one is "getting taxed at 70%." Not even under AOC's plan.
Post by: LickNeckey on January 07, 2019, 02:43:21 PM
https://twitter.com/karol/status/1082070476350992384
Wacky sees your nobel laureate economist and raises you one public relations consultant
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2019, 04:49:39 PM
Post by: dal9 on January 07, 2019, 09:24:22 PM
The Seattle Council District for Democratic Socialists:Sawat is a member of the Socialist Alternative, which is much more radical than the DSA (like the article linked says)
https://twitter.com/SCC_Insight/status/1082290885595926528
They walk among us! :runaway:
Post by: Trim on January 07, 2019, 09:43:03 PM
Sawat is a member of the Socialist Alternative, which is much more radical than the DSA (like the article linked says)
Step it up, aoc!
Post by: star seed 7 on January 08, 2019, 10:41:10 AM
Post by: treysolid on January 08, 2019, 11:12:39 AM
that's such a great quote
Post by: steve dave on January 08, 2019, 02:59:04 PM
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Post by: catastrophe on January 09, 2019, 09:56:43 AM
Post by: chum1 on January 09, 2019, 01:36:11 PM
Post by: sys on January 09, 2019, 02:25:53 PM
https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1083068864814936065
Post by: Kat Kid on January 09, 2019, 05:52:03 PM
Post by: sys on January 09, 2019, 05:56:18 PM
Post by: _33 on January 10, 2019, 08:52:16 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 10, 2019, 09:00:34 AM
Post by: catastrophe on January 10, 2019, 11:13:31 AM
Post by: sys on January 10, 2019, 11:28:10 AM
AOC is a younger, hotter Bernie Sanders (silver fox), who skyrocketed in popularity the same time as Trump. Trump isn’t magic, politics have just become increasingly divisive the last 10 years or so, pushing vocal minorities (who have really always driven politics) to the far ends of the spectrum.
both right and left have trended towards populism.
Post by: michigancat on January 10, 2019, 11:48:15 AM
Trump created AOC. Only a president as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) as Trump could embolden voters to elect someone as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) as AOC in retaliation.
still using "Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)"
Post by: sys on January 10, 2019, 11:51:54 AM
https://twitter.com/_AlexHirsch/status/1083140191362048000
Post by: catastrophe on January 10, 2019, 12:43:04 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 11, 2019, 08:49:23 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exasperated-democrats-try-to-rein-in-ocasio-cortez/ar-BBS6eVv?li=BBnb7Kz
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 11, 2019, 09:13:30 AM
Post by: mocat on January 11, 2019, 09:17:18 AM
Ruh roh
wait are you actually matthew lillard?!?
Post by: sys on January 11, 2019, 09:20:55 AM
Post by: mocat on January 11, 2019, 09:41:50 AM
i have no idea what happened to make me drop that trump vid in this thread. someone should move it.
you knew that the people on 247 aoc watch are the same people who got irl conned by the conman
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 11, 2019, 09:47:48 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 11, 2019, 10:19:03 AM
What a morally bankrupt movement. Sad and pathetic.
Post by: _33 on January 11, 2019, 11:30:15 AM
Trump created AOC. Only a president as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) as Trump could embolden voters to elect someone as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) as AOC in retaliation.
still using "Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)"
haha yeah sometimes
Post by: chum1 on January 11, 2019, 11:59:16 AM
https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1083782872698417152
Post by: Spracne on January 11, 2019, 12:46:28 PM
Irrelevant! What if she does!?!?goEMAW poster Spracne already successfully pulled off that caper last month.
https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1083782872698417152
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 11, 2019, 01:06:06 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 11, 2019, 01:35:31 PM
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1083759782098583553
Post by: chum1 on January 11, 2019, 01:44:08 PM
Post by: bucket on January 12, 2019, 01:03:14 PM
@WackyCat08 is this what you wanted?! Is it?! :shakesfist:
Post by: gatoveintisiet on January 12, 2019, 01:48:48 PM
Post by: chum1 on January 14, 2019, 09:35:52 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 14, 2019, 10:16:37 AM
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1084831165050249216
Heh
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1084834446765899776
Post by: chum1 on January 14, 2019, 11:06:05 AM
Post by: Trim on January 14, 2019, 11:58:48 AM
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1084831165050249216
Trump probably has to care a little more than most of us, because the two of them sort of work at the same big company, but I'm with him on this one.
Post by: chum1 on January 15, 2019, 12:23:39 PM
Post by: _33 on January 16, 2019, 10:57:55 AM
https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/1085556571206111232
Post by: star seed 7 on January 16, 2019, 11:07:04 AM
Post by: sys on January 16, 2019, 11:41:28 AM
Post by: wetwillie on January 16, 2019, 12:19:36 PM
Post by: sys on January 16, 2019, 12:39:53 PM
https://thebulwark.com/aoc-is-trumps-heir-apparent/
Post by: _33 on January 16, 2019, 12:55:11 PM
this is worth reading.
https://thebulwark.com/aoc-is-trumps-heir-apparent/
sys I basically said that earlier in this thread. Did you see where I basically said that?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 16, 2019, 12:58:06 PM
Post by: _33 on January 16, 2019, 01:12:57 PM
Post by: chum1 on January 16, 2019, 01:15:50 PM
Post by: _33 on January 16, 2019, 01:17:06 PM
I agree that reading that article is worth about as much as reading an average post on this site.
Do you agree that it's like Batman?
Post by: chum1 on January 16, 2019, 01:20:31 PM
I agree that reading that article is worth about as much as reading an average post on this site.
Do you agree that it's like Batman?
No, your Batman post is way, way better than the article!
Post by: chum1 on January 16, 2019, 02:49:17 PM
Post by: sys on January 16, 2019, 02:58:13 PM
https://twitter.com/joshHuder/status/1085541339763298304
Post by: bucket on January 16, 2019, 03:06:16 PM
Post by: _33 on January 16, 2019, 05:11:53 PM
Post by: puniraptor on January 16, 2019, 10:22:29 PM
Can someone please just agree with me that it's like Batman? I mean good grief.
no response will be interpreted as concurrence
Post by: DQ12 on January 17, 2019, 11:30:40 AM
being able to compare current situations to works of art is a great trait.
Post by: Cire on January 17, 2019, 12:54:16 PM
owned
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 18, 2019, 07:05:23 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/freshmen-dems-stumble-in-quest-to-confront-mcconnell-on-shutdown
owned
At least they’re trying instead of going fake trips abroad to visit people who don’t want see you or your dumb staff.
Post by: wetwillie on January 18, 2019, 07:23:24 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 22, 2019, 09:34:11 AM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1087707962561519616
Post by: 8manpick on January 22, 2019, 09:40:46 AM
AOC thinks ppl who out work her are immoralI mean, I’m not going to click through to read that, but based on the tweet you quoted, your interpretation is not at all what she said
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1087707962561519616
Post by: treysolid on January 22, 2019, 12:49:54 PM
Public school teachers - lazy worthless pieces of crap
Hedge fund managers - hard-working pillars of the community
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 22, 2019, 12:57:15 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on January 22, 2019, 01:01:26 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 22, 2019, 04:51:42 PM
https://twitter.com/ClickHole/status/1087817201791438851
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 22, 2019, 05:00:29 PM
Post by: chum1 on January 22, 2019, 06:31:06 PM
https://twitter.com/desiderioDC/status/1087866717060112384
Post by: catastrophe on January 22, 2019, 07:01:45 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 22, 2019, 07:35:33 PM
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1087750219788419074
Post by: steve dave on January 22, 2019, 07:37:47 PM
:Woot:
https://twitter.com/desiderioDC/status/1087866717060112384
holy crap. the rage is going to be even more incredible :lol:
Post by: steve dave on January 22, 2019, 08:06:38 PM
https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1087894072952569856
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 22, 2019, 08:11:06 PM
lmao
https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1087894072952569856
jack just RT this
https://twitter.com/carnage4life/status/1087892442349678592
Post by: Spracne on January 22, 2019, 08:15:01 PM
I don’t get it. :confused:
Wait, I didn't realize it was possible to post a blank message with just a sig block?
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 22, 2019, 08:17:55 PM
I don’t get it. :confused:
Wait, I didn't realize it was possible to post a blank message with just a sig block?
You obviously don’t read any of your own posts.
Post by: steve dave on January 22, 2019, 08:23:26 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 22, 2019, 08:26:31 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 24, 2019, 09:32:26 AM
Lol
Post by: sys on January 24, 2019, 09:43:45 AM
1) carbon tax
2) ????
3) take guns
4) ????
5) end billionaires, and of course, freedom
Post by: catastrophe on January 24, 2019, 10:41:31 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 24, 2019, 10:42:26 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 24, 2019, 12:26:53 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 24, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
I'm sure AOC-Venezuela will be must see TV, and look for a quiet back door financial package for Maxine's husband stemming from this dog and pony show.
Post by: steve dave on January 24, 2019, 08:48:32 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 24, 2019, 08:51:03 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on January 24, 2019, 10:20:33 PM
Alexandria Ocasio Chavez
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quickmeme.com%2Fimg%2Fdf%2Fdfffd3253da919778520b3a646a1d330f5bf2abc8c304453d6932e695630fd00.jpg&hash=4297c0006bae10801e9d324e1e9a55297d3e051e)
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 25, 2019, 05:36:38 AM
Calling her Alexandria Ocasio Chavez would be a lot more clever, dax. AOC Venezuela is just lazy.
This is under consideration
Post by: mocat on January 25, 2019, 07:03:22 AM
Way to reach across the aisle guysCalling her Alexandria Ocasio Chavez would be a lot more clever, dax. AOC Venezuela is just lazy.
This is under consideration
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 25, 2019, 11:22:25 AM
Or "what if the media slanted conservative instead of liberal?" I mean, can you even imagine?
If Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez were a conservative (http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0119/thiessen012519.php3)
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If Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., were a conservative, all anyone would be talking about is how uninformed she is.
She would be facing trick questions from reporters designed to expose her lack of knowledge, and brutal sketches on "Saturday Night Live" mocking her intelligence and fitness for office. Instead, SNL fawns over her, while CBS's "Late Show" host Stephen Colbert -- far from making jokes at her expense -- eats ice cream with her and asks how many and "f -- s" she gives about her critics.
Boy, it's good to be a socialist.
It's not that there is a lack of material. This week, for example, Ocasio-Cortez declared that "the world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change."
She has said that $21 trillion in "Pentagon accounting errors" could pay for most of her massive $32 trillion Medicare-for-all plan -- as if there were $21 trillion in unspent tax dollars sitting around in a Pentagon vault.
She opined that "just last year we gave the military a $700 billion dollar budget increase, which they didn't even ask for" -- unaware, apparently, that the entire Pentagon budget is $716 billion.
She wrongly claimed that Immigration and Customs Enforcement "is required to fill 34,000 beds with detainees every single night and that number has only been increasing since 2009" -- when ICE is required only to have that number of beds available and that number has remained flat.
She has declared that "unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs" -- which is flat untrue. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there are only 6 million to 7 million Americans with two jobs and 148 million with just one.
Those are examples of ignorance. But apparently she is also dishonest.
This week, she told Colbert that she has not been able to open a district office yet to handle constituent casework because of the federal government shutdown. "There's a lot of things we can't do as freshman members," she said. "We can't properly set up our district offices. We can't get laptops delivered. We can't start doing the work that we were elected here to do. … It takes the green stuff. And those workers are furloughed."
That's wrong. Last September, Congress passed the 2019 Legislative Branch Appropriations bill, which funds congressional salaries and offices for the coming year. Ocasio-Cortez knows this because, unlike furloughed workers, she is getting paid.
The New York Times reports that the three other first-term members from New York have managed to open offices in their districts. A more likely explanation is that Ocasio-Cortez is spending her time building her national media profile instead of taking care of the constituents who sent her to Washington in the first place.
So where are the articles bemoaning "The incredible, thuggish stupidity of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez"? Where are the journalists trying to trip her up with questions like "Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?" to see if she knows what it is? Nowhere to be found.
To their credit, the fact-checkers have been on the case. PolitiFact gave her unemployment claim a "Pants on Fire" rating, and she is rapidly accumulating a large cache of Washington Post Pinnochios -- so much so that she claims to be the victim of "false equivalency + bias."
Give me a break.
She told CBS's "60 Minutes" that "being morally right" is more important than "being precisely, factually ... correct." Apparently, facts matter less as long as you support Big Government.
But facts are crucial, especially when you are proposing the largest increase in government spending in human history. Vox recently added up the cost of all her proposals -- from Medicare-for-all, to free college, guaranteed jobs and the "Green New Deal." The price tag was $42.5 trillion over the next decade -- more than twice the current national debt. Sorry, you can't pay for that through Pentagon accounting errors.
It is a tremendous testament to America that someone who was working as a bartender in a Mexican restaurant a year ago can throw their hat into the ring, unseat a 10-term member of Congress and be elected to the House of Representatives. It's what makes this such an exceptional nation. And it is obvious that she has political talent. But that doesn't excuse her from the responsibilities as a legislator to learn the facts and serve her constituents. Even Whoopi Goldberg, an Ocasio-Cortez supporter, warned her on "The View," "I would encourage you to sit still for a minute and learn the job."
That's good advice. Once people decide you are ignorant, it's hard to recover -- just ask Sarah Palin or Dan Quayle. Of course, they were conservatives, so the standards are different.
Post by: ChiComCat on January 25, 2019, 11:34:30 AM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 25, 2019, 11:54:06 AM
They’ve played her character twice already on SNL FWIW.
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I need to watch. They didn’t dare make fun of her did they?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 25, 2019, 11:59:42 AM
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Post by: sys on January 25, 2019, 12:05:23 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 25, 2019, 12:08:28 PM
Of course not
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Good. One sided rage is more funny
Post by: catastrophe on January 25, 2019, 12:33:01 PM
Post by: sys on January 25, 2019, 01:06:47 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 25, 2019, 09:08:24 PM
Just happy You’re ok with her taking your $. You’re a saint!Of course not
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Good. One sided rage is more funny
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 09:12:09 PM
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 09:13:29 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 25, 2019, 09:14:24 PM
I don’t think liberal outlets would be giving conservative-AOC much coverage when there a constant massive train wreck/dumpster fire going on in the WH.Are you new to this? I think my favorite part about it now is you guys started out acting like she’s a nobody, but now she’s your queen.
Post by: catastrophe on January 25, 2019, 09:15:34 PM
full disclosure: neither my individual or my household income is $10m per. SAD.
We already knew that because you owe taxes this year.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 25, 2019, 09:16:53 PM
I know for a fact stone prints but I don't think he makes $10m per. maybe though.Oh, wow, he sells himself like that. My bad. Just assumed he was telling the truth with his big dick stories. Yikes!
Post by: catastrophe on January 25, 2019, 09:17:00 PM
I don’t think liberal outlets would be giving conservative-AOC much coverage when there a constant massive train wreck/dumpster fire going on in the WH.Are you new to this? I think my favorite part about it now is you guys started out acting like she’s a nobody, but now she’s your queen.
Don’t lump me in with the libs.
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 09:17:10 PM
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 09:20:10 PM
full disclosure: neither my individual or my household income is $10m per. SAD.
We already knew that because you owe taxes this year.
THAT AIN'T NO crap AND I'M STILL ENRAGED. MY CPA IS rough ridin' FIRED.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 25, 2019, 09:22:33 PM
wacks, you brand a lot of right and moderate posters as lefties because they aren't as right as you. catastrophe for example. I can't place him but he's no lefty. also you say "queen" a lot in re. to AOC. may want to do some soul searching on that one.Fair. My bad.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 26, 2019, 08:51:43 AM
Just happy You’re ok with her taking your $. You’re a saint!Of course not
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Good. One sided rage is more funny
You literally think she has affected my taxes?
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 26, 2019, 08:53:48 AM
I know for a fact stone prints but I don't think he makes $10m per. maybe though.Oh, wow, he sells himself like that. My bad. Just assumed he was telling the truth with his big dick stories. Yikes!
Yes I’ve releatedly said I make over $10 million. Busted by Pakycat again.
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Don’t you make like a billion a year? She’s coming for you, friend.
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I need someone to explain the tiny hand complex going on here
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Post by: 8manpick on January 26, 2019, 09:36:39 AM
She absolutely loves the attention. She craves it.AOC, the PakyCat08 of politicians
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 26, 2019, 09:55:15 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 26, 2019, 10:17:13 AM
Fox News is going to put her in the white house.
It’s like they don’t understand that 24/7 freaking out about her is precisely what she wants
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 26, 2019, 10:55:33 AM
Dealing with the world in the post Great Cucking aka The Great Bendover era is not an easy task.
Post by: LickNeckey on January 26, 2019, 11:39:47 AM
Could I get a Daxnalysis of the Venezuelan situation?
Post by: star seed 7 on January 26, 2019, 01:41:43 PM
Lol, at the WH dumpster fire takes. The previous administration got tossed cotton balls by most of the media which is why the current administration is dealing with so many dumpster fires across the globe.
Dealing with the world in the post Great Cucking aka The Great Bendover era is not an easy task.
Already giving up on "oka"?
Post by: Phil Titola on January 26, 2019, 02:22:38 PM
Lol, at the WH dumpster fire takes. The previous administration got tossed cotton balls by most of the media which is why the current administration is dealing with so many dumpster fires across the globe.
Dealing with the world in the post Great Cucking aka The Great Bendover era is not an easy task.
the dumpster fires in the white house have nothing to do with any external situations though dax. All self-made problems by a bunch of swampy fools who don't know how to govern.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 26, 2019, 05:14:03 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 26, 2019, 05:17:04 PM
Yeah the black president and cotton balls. Why not just call him a monkey and get it over with already?
Only the lowest of IQ posters play the race card here.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 26, 2019, 05:19:49 PM
Lol, at the WH dumpster fire takes. The previous administration got tossed cotton balls by most of the media which is why the current administration is dealing with so many dumpster fires across the globe.
Dealing with the world in the post Great Cucking aka The Great Bendover era is not an easy task.
the dumpster fires in the white house have nothing to do with any external situations though dax. All self-made problems by a bunch of swampy fools who don't know how to govern.
Or problems made by people who don't like the fact that they're in the White House. Why can't it be business as usual . . . 2 full years in and no new wars has to have the establishment pretty itchy. Gotta be a 3 world country we can crush and leave to the hands of Islamic Fascists out there somewhere to placate the usual suspects.
Post by: LickNeckey on January 26, 2019, 06:40:43 PM
Please?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 26, 2019, 07:51:37 PM
Yeah the black president and cotton balls. Why not just call him a monkey and get it over with already?
Only the lowest of IQ posters play the race card here.
I mean you’re the one that said it. I just pointed it out. I have never in my entire life heard someone reference cotton balls the way you did. The term is softballs. If you have ever said it on this blog before in reference to anything other than something directed at a black person, then feel free to link it and I’ll apologize. Heck, find me anything anywhere that someone used cotton balls in the way you just did.
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 27, 2019, 08:17:09 AM
Yeah the black president and cotton balls. Why not just call him a monkey and get it over with already?
Only the lowest of IQ posters play the race card here.
I mean you’re the one that said it. I just pointed it out. I have never in my entire life heard someone reference cotton balls the way you did. The term is softballs. If you have ever said it on this blog before in reference to anything other than something directed at a black person, then feel free to link it and I’ll apologize. Heck, find me anything anywhere that someone used cotton balls in the way you just did.
Thought the exact same thing when I read it yesterday.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2019, 12:51:01 PM
Yeah the black president and cotton balls. Why not just call him a monkey and get it over with already?
Only the lowest of IQ posters play the race card here.
I mean you’re the one that said it. I just pointed it out. I have never in my entire life heard someone reference cotton balls the way you did. The term is softballs. If you have ever said it on this blog before in reference to anything other than something directed at a black person, then feel free to link it and I’ll apologize. Heck, find me anything anywhere that someone used cotton balls in the way you just did.
Thought the exact same thing when I read it yesterday.
Softballs are actually pretty hard, I was looking for something softer. Now, if you want to think there was racial overtones to using the term "cotton balls" in terms how the press treated the Obama administration, no one, especially me would be the least bit surprised. Everything with you guys devolves to racism at any perceived slight of your guy and his disastrous presidency/administration. But the term "administration" is all inclusive, last I checked there were plenty of non black people working in the Obama administration, particularly his failed DHS leaders who apparently got completely destroyed by Vlad Putin and Russia.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2019, 12:53:23 PM
He also called Obama a spook, remember that? The same Obama who never served in the CIA in any capacity.
Yes, when discussing the policies of an administration who leaned on the CIA in one disaster after another, I was clearly invoking racial overtones. :jerk: :rolleyes: :jerk: :rolleyes:
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp78-04722a000300030018-3
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2019, 01:34:04 PM
pfffft
Could I get a Daxnalysis of the Venezuelan situation?
You go first, I always enjoy a good :lol:
Post by: bucket on January 27, 2019, 01:37:46 PM
pfffft
Could I get a Daxnalysis of the Venezuelan situation?
You go first, I always enjoy a good :lol:
CNN praised how our boy Pompeo has handled the situation
Post by: sys on January 27, 2019, 02:02:57 PM
to people of a daxian age, spooks was a common term for the cia and probably the most consistent rhetorical theme dax invokes is linking democratic politicians to american imperialism and military/national security adventurism. calling obama a spook fits comfortably within that theme.
talking about the media throwing obama cotton balls just substitutes one type of ball for another in a common figure of speech. cotton as a consumer end product is associated with softness, above all else. there is no common association between cotton products and black people.
if he had said cotton bolls, it would have had a different connotation, but he didn't.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2019, 02:06:39 PM
i'll defend dax on this one. although i do think dax is racist, and have said so before, i don't think either calling obama a spook or describing media questioning of obama as tossing him cotton balls was intentionally or inadvertently racist.
to people of a daxian age, spooks was a common term for the cia and probably the most consistent rhetorical theme dax invokes is linking democratic politicians to american imperialism and military/national security adventurism. calling obama a spook fits comfortably within that theme.
talking about the media throwing obama cotton balls just substitutes one type of ball for another in a common figure of speech. cotton as a consumer end product is associated with softness, above all else. there is no common association between cotton products and black people.
if he had said cotton bolls, it would have had a different connotation, but he didn't.
:lol: at the first sentence, but I expect nothing less from SysWhack-A-Doo
Otherwise, thanks, I guess.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 27, 2019, 02:08:10 PM
pfffft
Could I get a Daxnalysis of the Venezuelan situation?
You go first, I always enjoy a good :lol:
CNN praised how our boy Pompeo has handled the situation
Current administration stance is just a ruse to throw everyone off the Putin puppet trail.
Come on Bucket, get with the narrative.
Post by: sys on January 27, 2019, 02:23:01 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 27, 2019, 05:38:45 PM
https://twitter.com/brad_polumbo/status/1089641760039624704?s=21
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 29, 2019, 08:14:55 PM
https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1090329128975224832?s=21
The Progressive Left in America really hates Jews and Israel.
Post by: chum1 on January 30, 2019, 10:42:04 AM
https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/1090624564353208320
Post by: steve dave on January 30, 2019, 11:23:05 AM
https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1090609215545184256?s=21
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 30, 2019, 11:25:49 AM
Do solar panels not work in the cold?
I think when its very cold the sun stops working.
Post by: wetwillie on January 30, 2019, 11:27:26 AM
Do solar panels not work in the cold?
No but the socialists don’t!
Post by: CHONGS on January 30, 2019, 11:27:57 AM
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2019, 11:28:46 AM
being rough ridin' enraged at AOC because it’s cold outsideThat has to be fake
https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1090609215545184256?s=21
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 30, 2019, 11:30:16 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 30, 2019, 11:38:17 AM
I think we'll need solar energy expert dax to fully answer this.
Nope, too busy watching another "green energy" front runner go bankrupt, sorry.
Post by: LickNeckey on January 30, 2019, 12:07:07 PM
Why would it matter what you make, if you still don't believe in the philosophy? SMDH. Some ppl don't get this thread. Most ppl are concerned about the trickle down effect it could have on businesses, but go crazy, dorks. :lol:
Republican Party - Getting Rubes to vote against there own interests since like forever...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 30, 2019, 12:08:17 PM
Why would it matter what you make, if you still don't believe in the philosophy? SMDH. Some ppl don't get this thread. Most ppl are concerned about the trickle down effect it could have on businesses, but go crazy, dorks. :lol:
Republican Party - Getting Rubes to vote against there own interests since like forever...
Democrats, getting the useful idiots to vote for them and get nothing of substance in return (except a select few) since forever.
Post by: sys on January 30, 2019, 12:18:34 PM
Do solar panels not work in the cold?
efficiency actually goes up in cold temps, although obviously solar insolation is much less in the winter and has a much greater effect.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 30, 2019, 12:46:52 PM
:lol:Do solar panels not work in the cold?
No but the socialists don’t!
Post by: ChiComCat on January 30, 2019, 01:08:13 PM
https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1090329128975224832?s=21
I don't think a free Palestine means eliminating Israel. Granted, I was not at that meeting.
Post by: sys on January 30, 2019, 01:48:56 PM
https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1090329128975224832?s=21
I don't think a free Palestine means eliminating Israel. Granted, I was not at that meeting.
from the river (east border of israel) to the sea (west border of israel), palestine must be free. if palestine is defined as the same territory as is currently encompassed in the state of israel, and if palestine is not currently free, and must be made so, then israel must be eliminated.
i guess technically you could maybe have a little nub of israel north of the jordan valley and a chunk of desert in the south, but that's not what is meant.
Post by: passranch on January 30, 2019, 01:52:18 PM
solar insolation
There are other kinds?
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 31, 2019, 03:51:10 PM
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1090687280912560128
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Post by: steve dave on February 01, 2019, 06:19:34 PM
I love the "mentions" game, it's so much fun.
It absolutely is
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Post by: steve dave on February 01, 2019, 07:58:07 PM
giant money-making idea. pimp for a bunch of aoc impersonator prostitutes.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 01, 2019, 09:44:09 PM
lmao, look how horny Hannity is
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he is insane for her but I admire Tucker's single minded boner for AOC
Post by: 8manpick on February 05, 2019, 11:44:43 AM
:Take the Bait:
Post by: LickNeckey on February 05, 2019, 12:25:30 PM
this is the political analysis i came for
Post by: chum1 on February 05, 2019, 07:07:03 PM
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1092793717533093888
Post by: star seed 7 on February 06, 2019, 08:55:18 AM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2019, 06:58:09 AM
Looks like dax is horny as hell, too
T&P’s SB, hope you get laid soon.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 07, 2019, 08:41:03 AM
https://twitter.com/fwdale/status/1093340925349249025
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2019, 09:38:33 AM
Also, she's got a good question writer/game player on her staff, so good for her, for that.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 07, 2019, 09:39:36 AM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 07, 2019, 10:18:55 AM
One key to understanding dax posts is remembering that he is completely obsessed with the Clintons and thinks that they are the biggest criminals in the history of crime.
I am excited to see if this transfers to AOC. She seems very worthy of obsessing over
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2019, 10:20:05 AM
That's either serious cognitive dissonance or Stockholm Syndrome . . . if not both.
Fake Foundations, millions from Russians and other foreign entities, underage sexual assault, sexual assault, illegal email servers, stealth racism etc. etc. etc. Yet still beloved by LibDerp Nation the world over.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 07, 2019, 10:20:50 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2019, 10:23:19 AM
You dudes may not have noticed, but since it's been obvious Hillary isn't running again, dax's new obsession is Pelosi
Hey guys, in case any of didn't notice, LibDerp Nations latest obsession, okay, well, that's not true, their 24/7/365 rage fest of obsession is Trump and all things Republican.
But they get really, really, really mad if anyone makes fun of those they hold near and dear to their little hearts.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 07, 2019, 10:26:17 AM
You dudes may not have noticed, but since it's been obvious Hillary isn't running again, dax's new obsession is Pelosi
I want him to be enraged over AOC the way so many Trumpers are. It is a treat to watch
Post by: star seed 7 on February 07, 2019, 10:27:31 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on February 07, 2019, 12:45:18 PM
Fake Foundations, millions from Russians and other foreign entities, underage sexual assault, sexual assault, illegal email servers, stealth racism etc. etc. etc. Yet still beloved by LibDerp Nation the world over.
It's strange he starts a post with the Clinton's and ends with a whole paragraph describing some of Trump's known problems. I'd argue his racism isn't very stealth but maybe to big racists guys it isn't very overt?
Weird.
Post by: sys on February 07, 2019, 01:22:28 PM
https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1093567276396081152
Post by: EMAWican on February 07, 2019, 01:38:16 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2019, 03:06:51 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2019, 03:08:52 PM
Fake Foundations, millions from Russians and other foreign entities, underage sexual assault, sexual assault, illegal email servers, stealth racism etc. etc. etc. Yet still beloved by LibDerp Nation the world over.
It's strange he starts a post with the Clinton's and ends with a whole paragraph describing some of Trump's known problems. I'd argue his racism isn't very stealth but maybe to big racists guys it isn't very overt?
Weird.
I didn't want to "bring them to heal" the Clinton's did, friend. Always weird and wrong, Phil. SMDH, sad.
Post by: ChiComCat on February 07, 2019, 03:16:53 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 07, 2019, 03:20:34 PM
Bringing them to heal sounds kind of nice
kind of bi-partisan is you ask me
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2019, 03:56:24 PM
Fare the well "what airport am I in":
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=12998.0
So long smoked meats and various meat preparation methods thread:
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=22124.0
Was the car buying thread on the old board? Some of the cars you guys wanted to buy . . . NOPE! :lol:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 07, 2019, 04:08:45 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 07, 2019, 04:09:52 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2019, 04:25:46 PM
Sad
Post by: sys on February 07, 2019, 04:33:38 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 07, 2019, 04:44:14 PM
Dug, you're a half trick pony anymore. Just a burned out shattered shell of your former self.
Sad
yes moar!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2019, 04:54:35 PM
The lack of unicorns is disturbing
Post by: 8manpick on February 07, 2019, 05:03:26 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2019, 05:06:13 PM
What non-existent high speed train station am I in?
What about to go bankrupt high speed train station am I in?
Tips on how to get a better smoke ring on my tofu . . . wait, I can't burn wood, never mind.
Post by: Phil Titola on February 07, 2019, 05:12:12 PM
Just working on some stuff here:
What non-existent high speed train station am I in?
What about to go bankrupt high speed train station am I in?
Tips on how to get a better smoke ring on my tofu . . . wait, I can't burn wood, never mind.
While I'm sure Hilldog is pleased to move out of your head for while, I didn't expect you to fall so hard for this one dax....kind of cute.
Post by: chum1 on February 07, 2019, 07:51:29 PM
https://twitter.com/mattzarb/status/1093610201540894720
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2019, 08:04:28 PM
Just working on some stuff here:
What non-existent high speed train station am I in?
What about to go bankrupt high speed train station am I in?
Tips on how to get a better smoke ring on my tofu . . . wait, I can't burn wood, never mind.
While I'm sure Hilldog is pleased to move out of your head for while, I didn't expect you to fall so hard for this one dax....kind of cute.
The whole take that someone is in my head from one of the lead All Trump All The Time guys in this blog is absolutely fantastic and frankly, hilarious.
Post by: steve dave on February 07, 2019, 08:05:28 PM
I don't know. I'd say the comparison to Trump maybe wasn't the most informed one.
https://twitter.com/mattzarb/status/1093610201540894720
holy crap
Post by: steve dave on February 07, 2019, 08:14:34 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on February 07, 2019, 08:19:52 PM
Just working on some stuff here:
What non-existent high speed train station am I in?
What about to go bankrupt high speed train station am I in?
Tips on how to get a better smoke ring on my tofu . . . wait, I can't burn wood, never mind.
While I'm sure Hilldog is pleased to move out of your head for while, I didn't expect you to fall so hard for this one dax....kind of cute.
The whole take that someone is in my head from one of the lead All Trump All The Time guys in this blog is absolutely fantastic and frankly, hilarious.
I'm more of the KCI airport / Slyin' James apologist guy dax. Get out of the pit and you'd find that out.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2019, 08:23:16 PM
Just working on some stuff here:
What non-existent high speed train station am I in?
What about to go bankrupt high speed train station am I in?
Tips on how to get a better smoke ring on my tofu . . . wait, I can't burn wood, never mind.
While I'm sure Hilldog is pleased to move out of your head for while, I didn't expect you to fall so hard for this one dax....kind of cute.
The whole take that someone is in my head from one of the lead All Trump All The Time guys in this blog is absolutely fantastic and frankly, hilarious.
I'm more of the KCI airport / Slyin' James apologist guy dax. Get out of the pit and you'd find that out.
Don’s got Park Ave Loft in your head, Phil. He doesn’t pay rent.
Post by: sys on February 07, 2019, 08:58:31 PM
I don't know. I'd say the comparison to Trump maybe wasn't the most informed one.
she's like trump, except highly intelligent and extremely attractive.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2019, 09:15:53 PM
Pfft
Post by: puniraptor on February 08, 2019, 07:09:02 AM
Bringing them to heal sounds kind of nice
kind of bi-partisan is you ask me
Green them to deal
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Post by: michigancat on February 13, 2019, 05:58:08 PM
Reason and logic Liqueur :lol:
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 14, 2019, 06:20:00 PM
Post by: chum1 on February 18, 2019, 03:13:05 PM
https://twitter.com/lydiadepillis/status/1097592774633967616
Post by: 8manpick on February 20, 2019, 08:44:39 AM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/poor-people-not-allowed-in-aocs-luxury-apartment-complex
https://twitter.com/search?q=AOC%20luxury&src=typd
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 20, 2019, 08:56:05 AM
Now a bunch of people who would never live near a section 8 or 42 building are all up in arms because AOC doesn't
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/poor-people-not-allowed-in-aocs-luxury-apartment-complex
https://twitter.com/search?q=AOC%20luxury&src=typd
It appears the whole affordable housing platform of AOC is lost on you relative to her choice in living arrangements.
In other news Breadline Bernie's staff will update you as to which of his houses he'll be ranting about Trump from next.
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2019, 08:58:10 AM
Now a bunch of people who would never live near a section 8 or 42 building are all up in arms because AOC doesn't
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/poor-people-not-allowed-in-aocs-luxury-apartment-complex
https://twitter.com/search?q=AOC%20luxury&src=typd
This is my favorite thing crazy people lose their crap about re. her. Like that creepy guy that stalked her and talked about how her clothes looked nice and weren’t actual potato sacks with holes cut out of them.
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Post by: 8manpick on February 20, 2019, 09:08:02 AM
Now a bunch of people who would never live near a section 8 or 42 building are all up in arms because AOC doesn't
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/poor-people-not-allowed-in-aocs-luxury-apartment-complex
https://twitter.com/search?q=AOC%20luxury&src=typd
It appears the whole affordable housing platform of AOC is lost on you relative to her choice in living arrangements.
In other news Breadline Bernie's staff will update you as to which of his houses he'll be ranting about Trump from next.
Quote from: AOC's Platform
Housing As a Human Right
Housing in the United States has become a playground for wealthy developers instead of a leg up towards the American Dream. In New York City specifically, money from luxury real estate developers has taken over our political establishment - leading to luxury rezonings that push out small businesses and working families, and leave a wake of empty units in their place.
Working New Yorkers can’t afford to stay in the communities their families have called home for generations. Families are rent burdened, and the city is experiencing the highest levels of homelessness since the Great Depression. While shelters go up, housing actually remains empty - there are three times the amount of empty luxury units as there are people experiencing homelessness in New York City.
So, what do we do?
Alexandria believes that housing is a right, and that Congress must tip the balance away from housing as a gambling chip for Wall Street banks and fight for accessible housing that’s actually within working families’ reach.
Congress has allowed most of our existing housing investments to go towards benefitting the wealthy. Alexandria supports extending tax benefits to working and middle-class homeowners, expanding the Low Income Housing Tax Credit, housing (not sheltering) the homeless, and permanently funding the National Affordable Housing Trust Fund.
By refusing money from luxury real estate developers, Alexandria can be trusted to fight for fair, inclusive housing policies that upend the overdevelopment that real estate speculators have imposed on New Yorkers.
Seems like she doesn't want these luxury units to sit empty. Unfortunately she hasn't been able to implement all of the tax credits that are a part of her platform. In the meantime, its probably good that someone who is making $174k doesn't raise demand on $500 / month apartments at the expense of those who can't afford more.
Post by: 8manpick on February 20, 2019, 09:58:14 AM
Looks nice, would definitely live there.
Post by: 'taterblast on February 20, 2019, 10:07:53 AM
and then she said Amazon probably was going to bring in people from outside to fill those new jobs and that's a bad thing, which, okay i guess we're scared of outsiders now?
that was frustrating.
Post by: chum1 on February 20, 2019, 10:13:25 AM
Post by: 8manpick on February 20, 2019, 10:16:45 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 20, 2019, 10:20:08 AM
Post by: 8manpick on February 20, 2019, 10:35:52 AM
She would be an awful executive, but I think she's mostly harmless in her current role.
Yeah. The House of Reps is a great place for a handful of ideological whack-a-doos on all sides.
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2019, 10:44:19 AM
Just for the record, I still think AOC’s politics are abhorrent
Agree on the fiscal items. Don’t know if she has opinions outside of those so can’t comment.
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Post by: star seed 7 on February 20, 2019, 10:49:21 AM
generally haven't cared about AOC but hearing her explain that the 3 billion of tax breaks they were going to give to Amazon, and how now it can go to other things, when no, no it can't because that money won't exist anymore because the idea was the tax breaks were a mutually beneficial thing.
and then she said Amazon probably was going to bring in people from outside to fill those new jobs and that's a bad thing, which, okay i guess we're scared of outsiders now?
that was frustrating.
Housing prices are a very important issue in NYC, it's slightly different than kc being desperate for anything to move here.
That area will still get filled by other businesses, and it's doubtful they will receive tax breaks at all like Amazon would.
As an outsider it seems pretty dumb to shun Amazon, but like chum1 said she's representing her constituents who actually would be affected by the move.
Post by: 'taterblast on February 20, 2019, 11:08:30 AM
Post by: wetwillie on February 20, 2019, 11:29:31 AM
Post by: sys on February 20, 2019, 11:35:02 AM
so adding in the 25k amazon jobs doesn't really add in 25k new jobs, it just displaces 25k previous jobs. the value to the community is not 25k new workers, just whatever the difference is btwn the salaries of the 25k amazon jobs and the 25k jobs that would be displaced.
as i understand it, about half of the subsidies are available to pretty much anyone and half were special to amazon. so the 3 billion number isn't really accurate as the cost either.
Post by: michigancat on February 20, 2019, 12:08:39 PM
Post by: DQ12 on February 20, 2019, 12:20:15 PM
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By borough, residents of the Bronx—a predominately Hispanic area—were most excited about the move, with 64 percent approval and 21 percent disapproval, for a net approval of +43 percent. It’s nearly as popular in Staten Island. Queens, whose population is almost half foreign-born, and which will actually absorb the physical Amazon office space, was also enthusiastic—even about the subsidies. Manhattan residents were most skeptical, with only 54 percent supporting the move and a net disapproval of the subsidies of minus 15 percent.https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/12/what-nyc-think-amazon-hq2-jobs-long-island-city-queens/577453/ (https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/12/what-nyc-think-amazon-hq2-jobs-long-island-city-queens/577453/)
Post by: sys on February 20, 2019, 12:26:35 PM
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Post by: michigancat on February 20, 2019, 01:06:07 PM
I'm not sure running Amazon out on a rail had the support of her constituents:That's really interesting and surprisingQuoteBy borough, residents of the Bronx—a predominately Hispanic area—were most excited about the move, with 64 percent approval and 21 percent disapproval, for a net approval of +43 percent. It’s nearly as popular in Staten Island. Queens, whose population is almost half foreign-born, and which will actually absorb the physical Amazon office space, was also enthusiastic—even about the subsidies. Manhattan residents were most skeptical, with only 54 percent supporting the move and a net disapproval of the subsidies of minus 15 percent.https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/12/what-nyc-think-amazon-hq2-jobs-long-island-city-queens/577453/ (https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/12/what-nyc-think-amazon-hq2-jobs-long-island-city-queens/577453/)
Post by: sys on February 20, 2019, 01:59:29 PM
That's really interesting and surprising
put in the sf things thread.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 20, 2019, 03:07:15 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 20, 2019, 03:08:15 PM
Post by: treysolid on February 20, 2019, 04:05:21 PM
Post by: sys on February 20, 2019, 05:19:54 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 20, 2019, 06:21:22 PM
Wrong thread bud
No new material in months
Post by: michigancat on February 20, 2019, 07:13:27 PM
That's really interesting and surprising
put in the sf things thread.
Yeah I can't imagine how that crap would fly here. People still hate the Mid-Market tax break for companies to have offices on a street that was full of people literally smoking crack on the street 24/7. It probably still is, but still.
Post by: michigancat on February 20, 2019, 07:13:54 PM
the really stupid thing, for cities fortunate enough to have such favorable economies, is that all they'd have to do to create new jobs is to let people build more housing.Yes
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 20, 2019, 07:31:14 PM
Post by: bucket on February 20, 2019, 09:10:48 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on February 21, 2019, 11:47:10 AM
Just so you know how in MAGA's heads this lady has gotten.
Post by: steve dave on February 21, 2019, 11:48:06 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on February 21, 2019, 11:58:58 AM
lmao
Other council members actually did lol
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 23, 2019, 07:13:50 PM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on February 23, 2019, 08:41:03 PM
Some dictator crap if I’ve ever seen it from the bartender https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1099126500924760064?s=21
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1 out of 435 votes from a single half of a branch of government vs a Single person(Trump) being in charge of a branch of government.
Yep, this checks out as dictator crap.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 23, 2019, 08:59:31 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 23, 2019, 09:14:25 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 23, 2019, 09:16:54 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 23, 2019, 09:18:56 PM
Umm, ok Wacks.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 23, 2019, 09:20:08 PM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on February 23, 2019, 09:21:56 PM
Sometimes I seriously wonder how you survive in society at all.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 23, 2019, 09:24:14 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 23, 2019, 09:29:16 PM
And she’s telling those ppl to stfu, meathead. Don’t try and compare intelligence with me. You lose!
She told someone not in her district, who couldn't and didn't vote for her. I mean, this isn't hard Wacks. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 23, 2019, 09:30:57 PM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 24, 2019, 12:04:21 AM
Lazy socialist libs gonna lazy socialist lib. :frown:
Yes! Wack and I are in the same damn page! The same page that Dax seems to hate
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 24, 2019, 12:07:11 AM
Post by: mocat on February 24, 2019, 09:37:15 AM
And she’s telling those ppl to stfu, meathead. Don’t try and compare intelligence with me. You lose!
haha
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 24, 2019, 09:47:38 AM
Or is that just a phrase that only LibDerp Nation can selectively use?
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Post by: puniraptor on February 25, 2019, 07:15:46 PM
I am enjoying watching aoc, I think she is stupid and crazy. Many of you think T-dawg is stupid and crazy and I don't share that view but from YOUR perspective who of the two is most stupid and/or most crazy?
tdawg is deeply stupid and crazy
aoc is a simple reactionary
Post by: star seed 7 on February 25, 2019, 07:43:35 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 25, 2019, 07:45:00 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiet on February 25, 2019, 08:47:46 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2019, 11:46:37 AM
So, she's been indoctrinated quite well.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 28, 2019, 11:08:37 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 28, 2019, 11:10:13 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 28, 2019, 11:13:19 AM
Post by: 8manpick on February 28, 2019, 11:16:35 AM
Post by: michigancat on February 28, 2019, 11:19:42 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 28, 2019, 11:20:28 AM
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Honorable J Minear
@MinearNY
The future of America depends on the people brave enough to be called racist, xenophobes, and white supremacists, who will fight to take their country
Where do you find these people? :lol:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 28, 2019, 12:53:28 PM
QuoteHonorable J Minear
@MinearNY
The future of America depends on the people brave enough to be called racist, xenophobes, and white supremacists, who will fight to take their country
Where do you find these people? :lol:
Ah . . . Twitter
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 28, 2019, 01:01:42 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 28, 2019, 01:24:27 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on February 28, 2019, 02:28:58 PM
Post by: mocat on February 28, 2019, 02:47:27 PM
https://twitter.com/MinearNY/status/1100604569682235392
omg :lol:
Post by: catastrophe on February 28, 2019, 03:11:08 PM
Did she ask the smartest questions yesterday? I mean except the "liar liar pants on fire" poster board.
She had some good ones, but really all the junior reps looked pretty damn good compared to the rest.
Post by: chum1 on February 28, 2019, 03:25:27 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 28, 2019, 04:53:04 PM
Post by: puniraptor on February 28, 2019, 05:14:48 PM
AOC is a craft beer drinker? :love:
beer takes carbon dioxide out of the environment and puts in into our bodies
Post by: steve dave on February 28, 2019, 05:41:11 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 08:44:27 AM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 01, 2019, 09:27:06 AM
AOC is a craft beer drinker? :love:
Beer gives off C02, time to rethink your position.
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2019, 09:30:31 AM
AOC is a craft beer drinker? :love:
Beer gives off C02, time to rethink your position.
Thank you. I will.
Okay, done. AOC is a craft beer drinker? :love:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 09:31:22 AM
Post by: catastrophe on March 01, 2019, 09:35:53 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 09:39:11 AM
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2019, 09:47:46 AM
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2019, 09:50:39 AM
:)
https://twitter.com/lydiadepillis/status/1097592774633967616
Post by: sys on March 01, 2019, 09:57:39 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 10:00:52 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 10:01:57 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 10:03:23 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 01, 2019, 10:04:45 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 10:05:23 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 01, 2019, 10:05:59 AM
Socialism.
Can you be more specific?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 01, 2019, 10:07:25 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 10:07:56 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 10:08:05 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 10:08:37 AM
Wackycat08 is also under the impression that Hitler was a socialist, so I'm not sure if you really want to explore this much philI was referring to him being passionate and authentic, jackass.
Post by: Phil Titola on March 01, 2019, 10:09:14 AM
Anybody else?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 10:10:26 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 01, 2019, 10:12:20 AM
Anyone who wants to attack bootstrappers to help lazy pieces of crap is not how I like my government to run.
I need to read up on her policies. This sounds disgusting I agree wacky.
Post by: Phil Titola on March 01, 2019, 10:13:45 AM
Kind of scary in itself
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 10:15:03 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 10:17:06 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 10:18:29 AM
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2019, 10:20:00 AM
economists have supported carbon taxes, basically since forever, though.
They sure started talking about it an awful lot lately, huh?
Post by: Phil Titola on March 01, 2019, 10:23:24 AM
Another thing that we've already covered for you that you continue to repeat, Phil.
Sorry, I'm not keeping up. Thanks for setting me straight.
Why do the Republicans Grant her this much power?
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2019, 10:23:47 AM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 01, 2019, 10:24:09 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on March 01, 2019, 10:25:26 AM
I think she should be allowed to wear normal clothes and eat lunch with someone eating a hamburger. Also, pay her staff how she sees fit within whatever rules she is obligated to follow. I think only crazy people would disagree with any of that or even find it the least bit newsworthy, but here we are.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 10:26:11 AM
https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1101487565780205568
@steve dave fact check?
Post by: steve dave on March 01, 2019, 10:27:49 AM
https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1101487565780205568
lmao
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 01, 2019, 10:28:51 AM
Anyone who wants to attack bootstrappers to help lazy pieces of crap is not how I like my government to run.
yeah
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/17/donald-trump-trade-war-more-financial-aid-coming-farmers-hurt-tariffs/2341596002/
Post by: Phil Titola on March 01, 2019, 10:29:28 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 10:30:12 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 10:30:35 AM
Who is the furthest right leaning weirdo democrats can start obsessing about? Maybe they already are?https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?board=6.0
Post by: gatoveintisiet on March 01, 2019, 10:30:53 AM
https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1101487565780205568
@steve dave fact check?
How would a employment recruiter know anything about that
Post by: bucket on March 01, 2019, 10:32:00 AM
Anyone who wants to attack bootstrappers to help lazy pieces of crap is not how I like my government to run.
https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1101473443147665409
Wacky, maybe you'd enjoy this article by nobel winner Paul Krugman. It's about how there's more social mobility in Europe than in America despite the fact that Europe has more socialist policies in place. In fact, the more socialist, nordic countries see the most social mobility.
Post by: Phil Titola on March 01, 2019, 10:32:29 AM
Who is the furthest right leaning weirdo democrats can start obsessing about? Maybe they already are?https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?board=6.0
:ROFL:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 01, 2019, 10:43:19 AM
Don't "but Trump" this thread, 'stone.
You either hate socialism, or you don't. I will let you decide.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 01, 2019, 10:48:50 AM
Anyone who wants to attack bootstrappers to help lazy pieces of crap is not how I like my government to run.
https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1101473443147665409
Wacky, maybe you'd enjoy this article by nobel winner Paul Krugman. It's about how there's more social mobility in Europe than in America despite the fact that Europe has more socialist policies in place. In fact, the more socialist, nordic countries see the most social mobility.
Ivanka talking about what the working class really wants is the most asinine thing I've seen out of this
Post by: sys on March 01, 2019, 11:17:23 AM
economists have supported carbon taxes, basically since forever, though.
They sure started talking about it an awful lot lately, huh?
she has done an amazing job of focusing attention on an issue that was pretty dead in the water. i'm still pretty much in shock at how she did it.
Post by: treysolid on March 01, 2019, 11:22:59 AM
Wackycat08 is also under the impression that Hitler was a socialist, so I'm not sure if you really want to explore this much philI was referring to him being passionate and authentic, jackass.
so to get this straight, authenticity and passion should be considered negative personality traits, because of Hitler?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 11:24:35 AM
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Post by: treysolid on March 01, 2019, 11:27:21 AM
Jesus, Treys, it’s not that serious.
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don't blame me for your shitty arguments. own the fact that you actually tried to counter someone's talking point with a "but, Hitler..."
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You’re being a rough ridin' weirdoJesus, Treys, it’s not that serious.
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don't blame me for your shitty arguments. own the fact that you actually tried to counter someone's talking point with a "but, Hitler..."
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 11:30:20 AM
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Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 11:31:37 AM
My favorite thing about AOC is how much she plays up the bartender card. Like it’s some handicap and look at her now!
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Any examples of her using the bartender card as a handicap she overcame?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 11:33:57 AM
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Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 11:41:35 AM
Relax, it's Friday.
Post by: wetwillie on March 01, 2019, 12:01:16 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 01, 2019, 12:47:10 PM
Oh wait. I forgot the title of this thread.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 12:53:18 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 12:58:40 PM
:impatient: :dunno:I’m not playing your game. Remain ignorant.
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Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 01:02:21 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 01:04:12 PM
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1100924600697929728
Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 01:07:29 PM
Post by: mocat on March 01, 2019, 01:07:36 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 01:11:11 PM
You were looking for an example about how much she talks about it. She talks about it a rough ridin' lot. Started as a bartender now she's here! Wish we could hear more about congress people's college jobs. What a come up story! :lol:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 01:14:03 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 01:15:42 PM
My favorite thing about AOC is how much she plays up the bartender card. Like it’s some handicap and look at her now!
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Just asking for evidence of your favorite thing and thus far you have only given evidence to the contrary.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 01:17:24 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2019, 01:19:37 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 01:20:50 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 01:21:16 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2019, 01:25:26 PM
She went to a top college while working a side job. I'd assume about 100% of congress people did the same. She's just louder about it.
Ah. So, when one pulls oneself up by one's bootstraps, one must remain humble about it.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 01:30:50 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 01:38:34 PM
Post by: bucket on March 01, 2019, 01:38:47 PM
Says the man who sits at work all day to copy and paste Trump crap in the Pit 24/7/365. Her whole mission is to make everything "fair" for people. To tax the rich, free school, etc. She's not a bootstrapper, she's a con artist that wants to go after people who made their own way and hand out crap for free to the less motivated.
Really put a lot of thought into that argument.
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2019, 01:39:35 PM
Says the man who sits at work all day to copy and paste Trump crap in the Pit 24/7/365. Her whole mission is to make everything "fair" for people. To tax the rich, free school, etc. She's not a bootstrapper, she's a con artist that wants to go after people who made their own way and hand out crap for free to the less motivated.
Ah. I think I get it now. Fraud bootstrapping is what's objectionable. Actual bootstrapping and bragging about it is okay.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 01:40:09 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 01, 2019, 02:06:46 PM
Post by: mocat on March 01, 2019, 02:09:48 PM
I apologize for making you angry, but a maga guy calling AOC a con artist non-bootstrapper is about as maga as maga can get
lmfao more like the furthest thing from maga
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 02:11:23 PM
Post by: sys on March 01, 2019, 02:12:30 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 02:16:38 PM
I'm none of those. Nice try tho. I voted against Hillary, just like you guys voted against Trump.
Post by: mocat on March 01, 2019, 02:18:06 PM
MAGA= is a red hat wearing, torch burning, racist hating bigot, that loves guns.
I'm none of those. Nice try tho. I voted against Hillary, just like you guys voted against Trump.
despite what dax would tell you, Hillary wasn't running in 2018
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 02:19:30 PM
Post by: mocat on March 01, 2019, 02:19:39 PM
Always love it when you insert yourself into a discussion, with nothing to add other than being a smartass, chodecat. Never change.
i wasn't under the impression you were trying to participate in a serious discussion
Post by: mocat on March 01, 2019, 02:20:16 PM
I didn't vote for Trump in the Primaries.
that's great now go back and read sys' question again
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 02:22:05 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 02:22:28 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 02:22:54 PM
I'm interested in the answer as well. Possible maga designation revocation on the lineWho did you vote for?
Post by: 8manpick on March 01, 2019, 02:23:17 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 02:23:52 PM
Post by: mocat on March 01, 2019, 02:24:53 PM
I really dgaf how you wanna label people who don't share the same opinion as yours. You're the guy who always thinks he's the smartest guy in the room.
you are irony incarnate
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 02:28:19 PM
Kelly
Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 02:29:22 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 02:30:16 PM
I voted against the maniac. :rolleyes:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 02:31:20 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 02:35:20 PM
Post by: sys on March 01, 2019, 02:36:29 PM
Kelly
i don't know who that is. in the senate and us house races, who did you vote for?
Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 02:37:29 PM
Post by: sys on March 01, 2019, 02:38:44 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 02:40:52 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 02:41:45 PM
Post by: sys on March 01, 2019, 02:43:24 PM
I went red other than Yoder for the rest of my ballot.
i don't know what this means. you did not vote for yoder? or you did?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 02:44:02 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2019, 02:46:25 PM
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1101581808699928576
Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 02:48:08 PM
I did not.
All gEing aside bud, what changed your mind from 2016 when you voted for Yoder?
Post by: sys on March 01, 2019, 02:50:05 PM
I did not.
congratulations, you are not maga.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 02:53:35 PM
I did some research and did one of those test things before voting. Plus, my mom knows Sharice and she's a really great person.I did not.
All gEing aside bud, what changed your mind from 2016 when you voted for Yoder?
Post by: star seed 7 on March 01, 2019, 02:57:10 PM
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Gotta be some hatin in the new green deal. I can feel it in my bones.
it disparages cows very rudely.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 01, 2019, 03:17:24 PM
Wackycrat has never been a magastud, you guys should know this by now.:lol:
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2019, 03:19:10 PM
WC has a big heart and should probably be a lib. The resentful, angry old man stuff doesn't suit his affable personality IMO.
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https://twitter.com/aocpress/status/1102345217435406336?s=21
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Post by: DaBigTrain on March 03, 2019, 06:59:51 PM
Wut
https://twitter.com/aocpress/status/1102345217435406336?s=21
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Post by: mocat on March 03, 2019, 09:16:05 PM
Because it’s totally something she would tweet
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https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1102678833407221760
Post by: IPA4Me on March 04, 2019, 06:41:59 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/ocasio-cortezs-chief-of-staff-ran-1m-slush-fund-by-diverting-campaign-cash-to-his-own-companies
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Post by: dal9 on March 04, 2019, 09:44:33 PM
Just here for the daily update :Dactually a pretty good article
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1102678833407221760
Post by: chum1 on March 05, 2019, 07:54:18 PM
https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1103103727936983040
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Post by: bucket on March 05, 2019, 08:59:32 PM
Oh boy, if they could only give politicians jail time based on crimes committed by people in their campaign.
:lol:
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 12, 2019, 06:12:27 AM
AOC is a parody, right? We're getting trolled here. LOL, she showed up at her SXSW speech in a big ass SUV.
Post by: wetwillie on March 12, 2019, 06:29:03 AM
Great take on Ronamnesty.
AOC is a parody, right? We're getting trolled here. LOL, she showed up at her SXSW speech in a big ass SUV.
I mean Bernie is a multi millionaire with multiple houses and Trump signs bibles, they are all hypocrites just like us but at scale.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 12, 2019, 07:36:35 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 12, 2019, 07:38:53 AM
She's absolutely correct about Reagan
:lol: I suppose if you believe it, it's not a lie.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 12, 2019, 08:23:04 AM
Great take on Ronamnesty.
AOC is a parody, right? We're getting trolled here. LOL, she showed up at her SXSW speech in a big ass SUV.
It would kind of own if she had a rickshaw pulled by revolutionaries or something.
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Post by: Phil Titola on March 12, 2019, 12:20:12 PM
These 24x7 updates are great.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 12, 2019, 04:36:50 PM
https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1105559308211798020
https://twitter.com/richquit/status/1105581730268876800
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Is wackycat08 a q guy now? Interesting and exciting development!lol No. Love reading the comments on Twitter. Pretty amazing the crazy crap you find.
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https://twitter.com/Gooddietis/status/1105583273277825024
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Post by: catastrophe on March 12, 2019, 05:26:00 PM
https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1105533329242275841
Quote is inaccurate.
Post by: sys on March 14, 2019, 09:12:57 PM
https://twitter.com/fwdale/status/1093340908521771013
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/ocasio-cortez-dark-money/?tw=dd
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Post by: treysolid on March 15, 2019, 03:06:49 PM
By internet trolls and message borders. Not a congresswomen. Bad look. Figured you wouldn't get it tho, Treys.
Is it really a bad look, or is that just your bias? Mocking the concept of "T&Ps" after a national tragedy isn't mocking prayer or religion, it's mocking inaction and people searching out a public platform to voice how much they "care".
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 15, 2019, 03:25:02 PM
https://twitter.com/conorsen/status/1106561825305448448
She really speaks way too much to ever maintain any level of popularity nationally.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 15, 2019, 03:25:25 PM
Post by: catastrophe on March 15, 2019, 04:17:56 PM
https://twitter.com/conorsen/status/1106561825305448448
She really speaks way too much to ever maintain any level of popularity nationally.
Isn’t this a phenomenon that happens with anyone who becomes more popular? Not to mention that Fox News covers AOC more than any other outlet, so the increase in notoriety is certainly going to skew negative in this case.
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Post by: sys on March 15, 2019, 04:33:28 PM
Isn’t this a phenomenon that happens with anyone who becomes more popular? Not to mention that Fox News covers AOC more than any other outlet, so the increase in notoriety is certainly going to skew negative in this case.
yeah.
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https://twitter.com/danielturnerptf/status/1106915027410395136?s=21
Post by: mocat on March 16, 2019, 09:23:00 PM
HOW DID OBAMA GET TO THE GLOBAL WARMING CONFERENCE THAT'S RIGHT A IT WAS IN A JET
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Post by: chum1 on March 29, 2019, 08:09:40 AM
https://twitter.com/MattGrossmann/status/1111321250654232576
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She’s pretty relatable to common folks without needing to try
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 04, 2019, 08:10:18 PM
I can't tell you what 2 of my friends have in savings.You must have it that damn good, bud. Aren’t you almost 40? You didn’t graduate college when the economy was in the shitter. Proud of you.
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Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2019, 08:25:29 PM
I know this is the 24/7 AOC thread but I guess I don’t get how her live-streaming herself putting furniture together is so scary :dunno:
there's a lot of pent up anger and horniness
Post by: Phil Titola on April 04, 2019, 08:32:05 PM
I can't tell you what 2 of my friends have in savings.You must have it that damn good, bud. Aren’t you almost 40? You didn’t graduate college when the economy was in the shitter. Proud of you.
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Right to personal attacks. Never change wacky.
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Post by: CHONGS on April 04, 2019, 08:41:24 PM
I find assembling IKEA furniture to be therapeutic.Those little Allan wrenches suck to use after a while. I bet a pro has that crap on a ratchet set.
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Post by: steve dave on April 04, 2019, 08:43:28 PM
I can’t relate to this lady, nor can the guy whose economy I’m boosting by paying him to assemble my ikea crap on Saturday.
did you explore the idea of purchasing non-particle board furniture that was already assembled and it coming out even with not having to pay a dude's economy?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 04, 2019, 08:44:38 PM
How is that even close to a personal attack? Ppl my age (34) are fighting college loan debt most of their life’s after college. At least the peeps who’s parents didn’t pay for it. Age discrimination Attack?I can't tell you what 2 of my friends have in savings.You must have it that damn good, bud. Aren’t you almost 40? You didn’t graduate college when the economy was in the shitter. Proud of you.
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Right to personal attacks. Never change wacky.
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Post by: Trim on April 04, 2019, 08:55:48 PM
I can’t relate to this lady, nor can the guy whose economy I’m boosting by paying him to assemble my ikea crap on Saturday.
did you explore the idea of purchasing non-particle board furniture that was already assembled and it coming out even with not having to pay a dude's economy?
Yes, even PM’d back and forth with Rusty about all the options! It was $400 + $100 to dude vs. about $1500.
The taskrabbit people that ikea partners with to assemble their crap do appear to be more expensive in DC.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 04, 2019, 08:56:50 PM
she also has clothes that aren't potato sacks with holes cut out for the arms and neck which was immediately suspicious to meShe’ll definitely let you know about it, that’s for sure.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 04, 2019, 08:59:47 PM
did anyone even see her with a stick over her shoulder with a rag tied to the end holding all of her meager possessions when she moved to DC?:lol: I don’t watch Fox News, only see her lol crap bumped on my TL on Twitter. Hopefully she shares that next. Just a simple bartender making her way in a male dominated world.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 04, 2019, 09:00:54 PM
I had some savings that skyrocketed by 30% within the last week :love:Good for you! I won $2500 playing poker for our honeymoon. Still have student debt tho.
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So guess I am doing pretty well.
Post by: wetwillie on April 04, 2019, 09:30:20 PM
Edit: nvm this isn’t worth it
God how soft we have all become
Post by: 8manpick on April 04, 2019, 09:33:27 PM
80-100K in debt in college is common these days and I even worked 3 jobs through college. 2 being for the University of course.It isn’t common at a school where tuition was under $6k a year and rent was another $3-5k a year, like it was for you, me, and many of our friends at KSU in the mid 2000s.
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Edit: nvm this isn’t worth it
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 04, 2019, 09:41:29 PM
It was 10K a year, but who cares about facts? https://www.google.com/search?q=k-state%20tuition Also, lol at Trim lol who obviously got grants. Good game.80-100K in debt in college is common these days and I even worked 3 jobs through college. 2 being for the University of course.It isn’t common at a school where tuition was under $6k a year and rent was another $3-5k a year, like it was for you, me, and many of our friends at KSU in the mid 2000s.
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Post by: 8manpick on April 04, 2019, 09:46:49 PM
It was 10K a year, but who cares about facts? https://www.google.com/search?q=k-state%20tuition Also, lol at Trim lol who obviously got grants. Good game.80-100K in debt in college is common these days and I even worked 3 jobs through college. 2 being for the University of course.It isn’t common at a school where tuition was under $6k a year and rent was another $3-5k a year, like it was for you, me, and many of our friends at KSU in the mid 2000s.
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Wow, you were there in 2016!
For 2006 though:
https://courses.k-state.edu/courses/catalogs/undergraduate/tuition/
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I’ll save you the math, it’s $5,789.40 for 30 credit hours over 2 semesters in-state, assuming the more expensive business or engineering schools. Good game.
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Edit: nvm this isn’t worth it
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Edit: nvm this isn’t worth it
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What’s your math for covering the rest of the expense for room, Food, books, etc. ?It was 10K a year, but who cares about facts? https://www.google.com/search?q=k-state%20tuition Also, lol at Trim lol who obviously got grants. Good game.80-100K in debt in college is common these days and I even worked 3 jobs through college. 2 being for the University of course.It isn’t common at a school where tuition was under $6k a year and rent was another $3-5k a year, like it was for you, me, and many of our friends at KSU in the mid 2000s.
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Wow, you were there in 2016!
For 2006 though:
https://courses.k-state.edu/courses/catalogs/undergraduate/tuition/
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I’ll save you the math, it’s $5,789.40 for 30 credit hours over 2 semesters in-state, assuming the more expensive business or engineering schools. Good game.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on April 04, 2019, 10:15:22 PM
I think it is for her age, without any help, as a bartender in Brooklyn (with A Boston degree (out of state?)) Same as we all know Trump’s numbers don’t add up. Just saying her thing is bs.
Compound interest is a hell of a thing. The earlier you start the more it grows. I’m just saying you put $20 away here, $30 away there when you are 18-19-20 and don’t touch it, cool crap happens.
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I get it. That’s not her story.
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I honestly don’t know much about it. What I do know is we should have more civil debates like this more often :thumbs:
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AOC and Bernie are seriously lol’s. No one with a brain would vote for them. Fun thoScar(ecrow)y!
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Post by: michigancat on April 06, 2019, 11:25:56 AM
To be fair, I talk way more hick-like whenever I'm visiting Kansas, and I don't even consciously think about it.Everyone does this, it's natural. A bit different when you're giving a speech or something though.
Post by: sys on April 06, 2019, 03:55:05 PM
To be fair, I talk way more hick-like whenever I'm visiting Kansas, and I don't even consciously think about it.
when my mother spoke on the phone with her family, her accent was instantaneously different. she immediately reverted back to good old fashioned kansan as soon as she got off the phone.
Post by: Spracne on April 06, 2019, 04:07:57 PM
And when I'm talking to good ol' boys in Texas, there's definitely more twang involved. It's entirely subconscious and probably a mechanism intended to put your interlocutor at ease, because you're one of "them." However, I do not try to talk "like a black person" when speaking to black people, because that seems more offensive.To be fair, I talk way more hick-like whenever I'm visiting Kansas, and I don't even consciously think about it.
when my mother spoke on the phone with her family, her accent was instantaneously different. she immediately reverted back to good old fashioned kansan as soon as she got off the phone.
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Post by: Phil Titola on April 15, 2019, 12:56:28 PM
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1117844806829580289?s=19
Post by: LickNeckey on April 15, 2019, 01:45:57 PM
Great excuses guys.
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/04/13/177126294/five-reasons-why-people-code-switch
this may help...
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 18, 2019, 02:23:35 PM
https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1118277400645607424
Post by: mocat on April 18, 2019, 02:24:06 PM
https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1118605285873135617
incred
Post by: steve dave on April 18, 2019, 04:01:55 PM
https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1118605285873135617
lmao
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Post by: sys on April 23, 2019, 11:28:38 PM
https://twitter.com/mtsw/status/1120905950255206401
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:lol:
https://twitter.com/mtsw/status/1120905950255206401
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Post by: star seed 7 on May 16, 2019, 12:07:07 PM
$1,800 in the US and $8 in Australia pretty much sums up our healthcare system.
Yeah but everyone in Australia pays like 2% income tax for healthcare so there isn't really anything we can do.
Post by: IPA4Me on May 16, 2019, 12:37:15 PM
I would certainly pay 2% income tax for some universal healthcare.$1,800 in the US and $8 in Australia pretty much sums up our healthcare system.
Yeah but everyone in Australia pays like 2% income tax for healthcare so there isn't really anything we can do.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 24, 2019, 10:36:44 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 24, 2019, 10:43:05 AM
Joplin-PROOF of climate change and "we're going to have to re do the Fujita Scale"
Subsequent years - relative "drought" in Tornadic activity: Proof of Climate Change!
Tornado Season Seemingly a little more robust this year: Proof of Climate Change!
Post by: star seed 7 on May 24, 2019, 10:55:27 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 24, 2019, 10:59:29 AM
Someone needs to inform Ms AOC that climate change is a hoax by the Chinese.
LibDerp7flection
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 24, 2019, 08:41:27 PM
Weird to me just how extremely hard Dax works to never acknowledge anything about climate change at all.He believes a guy who thinks the sound of windmills causes brain cancer. Like literally
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2019, 10:41:10 PM
Who knew?
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Post by: DaBigTrain on May 30, 2019, 10:45:50 PM
Sorry guys, I know you had so much hope tied up in the AOC experiment.
Who knew?
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omg YES!! I saw that this afternoon and knew the propaganda machine would reach you! LOL
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2019, 10:48:25 PM
Sorry guys, I know you had so much hope tied up in the AOC experiment.
Who knew?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D70jircWwAADyIR.jpg)
omg YES!! I saw that this afternoon and knew the propaganda machine would reach you! LOL
Everyone who uses that gesture is a white supremacist The Big Tuck: Thems the rules
Again, sorry guys, but some people are capable of fooling us all.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2019, 10:49:03 PM
For those that don’t know, it’s the exact same as the drunk Pelosi video. :lol:
The person who truly doesn't get this thread.
Never fails, never, ever fails.
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 30, 2019, 10:49:09 PM
Sorry guys, I know you had so much hope tied up in the AOC experiment.
Who knew?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D70jircWwAADyIR.jpg)
omg YES!! I saw that this afternoon and knew the propaganda machine would reach you! LOL
Everyone who uses that gesture is a white supremacist The Big Tuck: Thems the rules
Again, sorry guys, but some people are capable of fooling us all.
:lol:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2019, 10:50:43 PM
Sorry guys, I know you had so much hope tied up in the AOC experiment.
Who knew?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D70jircWwAADyIR.jpg)
I just don't see how they can make anyone so dumb, but here we are.
omg YES!! I saw that this afternoon and knew the propaganda machine would reach you! LOL
Everyone who uses that gesture is a white supremacist The Big Tuck: Thems the rules
Again, sorry guys, but some people are capable of fooling us all.
:lol:
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 30, 2019, 10:52:36 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2019, 10:54:15 PM
Oh Dax :lol:
Please do not tell anyone you went to K-State, I don't want to see K-State's accreditation(s) pulled university wide.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 30, 2019, 10:55:46 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 30, 2019, 10:55:48 PM
Sorry guys, I know you had so much hope tied up in the AOC experiment.
Who knew?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D70jircWwAADyIR.jpg)
omg YES!! I saw that this afternoon and knew the propaganda machine would reach you! LOL
Everyone who uses that gesture is a white supremacist The Big Tuck: Thems the rules
Again, sorry guys, but some people are capable of fooling us all.
Ok, let’s roll with that logic. :lol:
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2019, 10:56:23 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D70kHIiW4AAaLOu.jpg)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2019, 10:59:35 PM
Dax, I don't know when you added a sig but good choice :D
Thanks, friend
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 30, 2019, 11:03:12 PM
There she goes again . . .
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omg the complete self-UNAWARENESS is absolutely astounding. :lol:
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 30, 2019, 11:04:29 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2019, 11:08:32 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 30, 2019, 11:10:32 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 30, 2019, 11:13:23 PM
Post by: steve dave on May 31, 2019, 06:30:38 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 31, 2019, 06:43:03 AM
Post by: catastrophe on May 31, 2019, 07:39:28 AM
Solid post, Dax.
Post by: Phil Titola on May 31, 2019, 08:05:57 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 21, 2019, 04:24:39 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 21, 2019, 06:01:01 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 29, 2019, 05:01:36 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 09, 2019, 05:05:44 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 09, 2019, 05:20:38 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 09, 2019, 05:26:34 PM
Yeah, a judge just ruled trump can't block people on Twitter
that's really stupid
Post by: star seed 7 on July 09, 2019, 05:31:35 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 09, 2019, 10:25:48 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2019, 09:41:37 AM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1149325077231689729
Post by: bucket on July 11, 2019, 09:54:35 AM
:lol:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1149325077231689729
She's not wrong
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 11, 2019, 10:04:56 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2019, 10:10:16 AM
God, you're an idiot.:lol:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1149325077231689729
She's not wrong
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2019, 10:12:14 AM
Post by: bucket on July 11, 2019, 10:30:30 AM
It's like that super loud drunk girl at the party who's craving for attention and then the party gives it to her after she does something really rough ridin' stupid, and blames them all for ganging up on her. :lol:
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1149145591718535168
But please continue with your AOC tantrum
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 11, 2019, 10:33:42 AM
I am sure Pelosi was super drunk
Oh yeah, Nancy whenever she steps up to the mic is like a Titanium razor blade sharpened with lasers.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 11, 2019, 10:48:44 AM
I am sure Pelosi was super drunk
Oh yeah, Nancy whenever she steps up to the mic is like a Titanium razor blade sharpened with lasers.
She needs the president's teleprompter he relies on but can't read.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 11, 2019, 10:50:28 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 11, 2019, 10:51:31 AM
I am sure Pelosi was super drunk
Oh yeah, Nancy whenever she steps up to the mic is like a Titanium razor blade sharpened with lasers.
She needs the president's teleprompter he relies on but can't read.
Nah, she just has a legion of staffers who step in and either correct about 75% of what she says or remind her of all the names she forgets.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2019, 10:53:47 AM
AOC and kap are 420seriouscat69's "things", just let him have his laugh.:cheers: Lib get it! :thumbs:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2019, 10:54:38 AM
lol, man, case closed, bucket. :lol:It's like that super loud drunk girl at the party who's craving for attention and then the party gives it to her after she does something really rough ridin' stupid, and blames them all for ganging up on her. :lol:
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1149145591718535168
But please continue with your AOC tantrum
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 11, 2019, 11:23:40 AM
I am sure Pelosi was super drunk
Oh yeah, Nancy whenever she steps up to the mic is like a Titanium razor blade sharpened with lasers.
She needs the president's teleprompter he relies on but can't read.
Nah, she just has a legion of staffers who step in and either correct about 75% of what she says or remind her of all the names she forgets.
Do you think she has brain cancer from windmill sounds? she is in CA where they have lots of hippy windmills...
Post by: bucket on July 11, 2019, 12:29:25 PM
lol, man, case closed, bucket. :lol:It's like that super loud drunk girl at the party who's craving for attention and then the party gives it to her after she does something really rough ridin' stupid, and blames them all for ganging up on her. :lol:
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1149145591718535168
But please continue with your AOC tantrum
Agree to disagree :dunno:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 11, 2019, 05:01:22 PM
https://theweek.com/speedreads/852117/alexandria-ocasiocortez-rips-nancy-pelosi-singling-newly-elected-women-color
Post by: star seed 7 on July 11, 2019, 05:07:17 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 11, 2019, 05:36:52 PM
Slow Dug always immediately jumps to the defense of Nancy "Slurs" Pelosi, but is he defending a huge racist? (which wouldn't be surprising in the least on Dug's part. In Pelosi, we are talking about the consummate wealthy behind a big wall living White Flighter here . . . from an extremely corrupt political family I might add)
https://theweek.com/speedreads/852117/alexandria-ocasiocortez-rips-nancy-pelosi-singling-newly-elected-women-color
Do you live by any windmills?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 11, 2019, 05:47:40 PM
Slow Dug always immediately jumps to the defense of Nancy "Slurs" Pelosi, but is he defending a huge racist? (which wouldn't be surprising in the least on Dug's part. In Pelosi, we are talking about the consummate wealthy behind a big wall living White Flighter here . . . from an extremely corrupt political family I might add)
https://theweek.com/speedreads/852117/alexandria-ocasiocortez-rips-nancy-pelosi-singling-newly-elected-women-color
Do you live by any windmills?
Slow Dug TapoutPolloza Thursday
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 13, 2019, 06:54:11 PM
https://twitter.com/grahamallen_1/status/1149814287340396547?s=21
Post by: Kat Kid on July 14, 2019, 08:48:44 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2019, 08:51:31 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 14, 2019, 06:16:43 PM
Awesome
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 14, 2019, 07:46:12 PM
In other news, the war between the LibProg's and the LibDerps just keeps ratcheting up . . .
Awesome
Amazing that the LibProgs get an apostrophe but the LibDerps don’t. It’s like dax couldn’t remember whether to include an apostrophe or not, so he was just like, “eff it! I’ll cover my bases and do both.”
Awesome
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2019, 09:50:34 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 15, 2019, 10:08:38 AM
In other news, the war between the LibProg's and the LibDerps just keeps ratcheting up . . .
Awesome
Amazing that the LibProgs get an apostrophe but the LibDerps don’t. It’s like dax couldn’t remember whether to include an apostrophe or not, so he was just like, “eff it! I’ll cover my bases and do both.”
Awesome
Oh man, took me down hard on that one.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 15, 2019, 10:09:19 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/feud-among-house-democrats-remains-on-public-display-11563050222
Post by: star seed 7 on July 15, 2019, 10:44:17 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on July 15, 2019, 12:25:00 PM
Post by: bucket on July 15, 2019, 12:35:48 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2019, 12:38:52 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 15, 2019, 02:52:50 PM
It's nice to see people can disagree in a civil manner, unlike how Republicans treat Justin amash for daring to talk bad about ORANGE MAN GOOD
I appreciate the lies you keep telling yourself.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 15, 2019, 02:59:36 PM
Tensions Between Pelosi and Progressive Democrats of ‘the Squad’ Burst Into Flame New York Times 9/9/19
Just a disagreement (Parody Poster LibDerp7)
Post by: bucket on July 15, 2019, 03:06:07 PM
Tensions Between Pelosi and Progressive Democrats of ‘the Squad’ Burst Into Flame New York Times 9/9/19
Just a disagreement (Parody Poster LibDerp7)
Sorcerer!
:runaway:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 15, 2019, 03:07:16 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 15, 2019, 07:23:54 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/president-obama-it-is-time-for-you-to-speak-up/2019/07/15/d465cd4a-a70c-11e9-a3a6-ab670962db05_story.html?utm_term=.365a49f4a6c7
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2019, 10:16:56 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 16, 2019, 11:09:22 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 16, 2019, 12:12:45 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 16, 2019, 01:16:32 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 16, 2019, 02:33:03 PM
She might tweet more than actually do work. I wouldn’t doubt it one bit!
You should follow Trump
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 16, 2019, 05:51:43 PM
She might tweet more than actually do work. I wouldn’t doubt it one bit!
You should follow Trump
He’s only a good follow when he’s not playing golf.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 16, 2019, 07:24:52 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 17, 2019, 12:30:37 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 17, 2019, 12:35:26 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 17, 2019, 11:04:26 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 22, 2019, 09:30:47 PM
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1153365640645922821
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 22, 2019, 09:37:15 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 23, 2019, 08:07:20 AM
You've got LibDerp Leadership out there telling their Useful Idiots to "get up in their faces" and millions of LibDerps in full agreement with that edict.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 23, 2019, 08:53:15 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 23, 2019, 08:55:36 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 23, 2019, 08:56:12 AM
Post by: Brock Landers on July 23, 2019, 09:00:43 AM
Post by: bucket on July 23, 2019, 09:10:06 AM
I like how the Trumptards who whine about fake news are the ones most likely to be fooled by fake news.
Q > Fake News
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 23, 2019, 09:19:57 AM
Some rando makes an off-the-cuff comment that gets him fired: Total Meltdown by LibDerp Nation
Some dude shoots up the Republican Congressional Delegation: Faux LibDerp concern
SMDH
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 23, 2019, 10:22:44 AM
Not the least bit surprised Parody Poster LibDerp7 didn't know they fired the guy.
Some rando makes an off-the-cuff comment that gets him fired: Total Meltdown by LibDerp Nation
Some dude shoots up the Republican Congressional Delegation: Faux LibDerp concern
SMDH
Well he wasn't fired until last night, so whichever libderp post you're referring to, it's completely plausible that libderp wouldn't have heard the news yet.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 23, 2019, 10:23:53 AM
Not the least bit surprised Parody Poster LibDerp7 didn't know they fired the guy.
Some rando makes an off-the-cuff comment that gets him fired: Total Meltdown by LibDerp Nation
Some dude shoots up the Republican Congressional Delegation: Faux LibDerp concern
SMDH
Well he wasn't fired until last night, so whichever libderp post you're referring to, it's completely plausible that libderp wouldn't have heard the news yet.
So much for LibDerp Nation and the information age.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 23, 2019, 10:47:36 AM
Post by: 8manpick on July 23, 2019, 01:08:28 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 23, 2019, 01:20:15 PM
Yes, dax mocking someone for not following this stupid story is extremely daxian lmao
Yet you chose to say something about the "stupid story".
Post by: star seed 7 on July 23, 2019, 01:21:44 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 24, 2019, 07:33:56 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 24, 2019, 07:43:14 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 24, 2019, 08:06:54 AM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 24, 2019, 08:12:05 AM
Yes, dax mocking someone for not following this stupid story is extremely daxian lmao
Give him a break. He's retired, and all he does is surf Daily Stormer and the like all day and night, every day and night.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 24, 2019, 08:58:09 AM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 24, 2019, 09:02:06 AM
Quote from: wackster
WTF is Daily Stormer and why do you know what it is? :confused:
Why do I know what it is? Because I paid attention to the news during the time of the anti-semitic rally in Charlottesville where neo-nazis carried torches and chanted angrily about Jews and a white terrorist drove his car through human beings and the president defended them all.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 24, 2019, 09:25:24 AM
So which is it, SB? Libderps are up on the news or nah? Is the Daily Stormer some kind of news outlet or something (I literally have no idea)? Lol trying to bring up Charlottesville in the middle of this normal conversation for your rationale of knowing what some weird website is all about.Not the least bit surprised Parody Poster LibDerp7 didn't know they fired the guy.
Some rando makes an off-the-cuff comment that gets him fired: Total Meltdown by LibDerp Nation
Some dude shoots up the Republican Congressional Delegation: Faux LibDerp concern
SMDH
Well he wasn't fired until last night, so whichever libderp post you're referring to, it's completely plausible that libderp wouldn't have heard the news yet.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 24, 2019, 09:33:26 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 24, 2019, 09:34:39 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 24, 2019, 01:29:04 PM
Quote from: wacksterWTF is Daily Stormer and why do you know what it is? :confused:
Why do I know what it is? Because I paid attention to the news during the time of the anti-semitic rally in Charlottesville where neo-nazis carried torches and chanted angrily about Jews and a white terrorist drove his car through human beings and the president defended them all.
SkiBen is catbacker73, sock outted by quote usage.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2019, 01:57:12 PM
Yes, dax mocking someone for not following this stupid story is extremely daxian lmao
Give him a break. He's retired, and all he does is surf Daily Stormer and the like all day and night, every day and night.
There's no reason for your usual rage just because you're one of the one's that can't read the headlines on a news aggregation website that takes about 12.5 seconds.
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 24, 2019, 02:56:20 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2019, 03:04:25 PM
What site is it?
Drudge
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 24, 2019, 03:06:04 PM
He has been under suspicion for operating every shitty sock in ge historyQuote from: wacksterWTF is Daily Stormer and why do you know what it is? :confused:
Why do I know what it is? Because I paid attention to the news during the time of the anti-semitic rally in Charlottesville where neo-nazis carried torches and chanted angrily about Jews and a white terrorist drove his car through human beings and the president defended them all.
SkiBen is catbacker73, sock outted by quote usage.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 24, 2019, 03:15:59 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 24, 2019, 03:16:34 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on July 24, 2019, 03:32:20 PM
He has been under suspicion for operating every shitty sock in ge historyQuote from: wacksterWTF is Daily Stormer and why do you know what it is? :confused:
Why do I know what it is? Because I paid attention to the news during the time of the anti-semitic rally in Charlottesville where neo-nazis carried torches and chanted angrily about Jews and a white terrorist drove his car through human beings and the president defended them all.
SkiBen is catbacker73, sock outted by quote usage.
Outed as a SkinBen sock.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 24, 2019, 04:18:26 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 27, 2019, 08:44:03 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 27, 2019, 09:49:54 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 04, 2019, 11:11:56 AM
https://nypost.com/2019/08/03/feds-probing-aocs-chief-of-staff-saikat-chakrabarti-after-sudden-resignation/
We're all stunned about this development.
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on August 04, 2019, 03:24:04 PM
This is from the NY Post, so in The Big Dummy world, just a tabloid and not factual.
https://nypost.com/2019/08/03/feds-probing-aocs-chief-of-staff-saikat-chakrabarti-after-sudden-resignation/
We're all stunned about this development.
:lol:
:lol:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 04, 2019, 05:42:49 PM
https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1157894303848337409?s=21
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 04, 2019, 10:11:18 PM
Yet its only going to propagate and grow in this county.
Post by: bucket on August 06, 2019, 07:27:43 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 06, 2019, 08:27:02 AM
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2019, 08:40:50 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 06, 2019, 08:59:47 AM
imagine being a Mitch stan. what is that life like?
You are clearly all horned up for AOC and you hate yourself for it
Post by: chum1 on August 06, 2019, 09:02:57 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 06, 2019, 10:19:54 AM
I'm sure those privileged white boys have many profound insights to offer the world.
Ah ah Point of Personal Privilege . . . CAN WE PLEASE STOP USING GENDER SPECIFIC LANGUAGE!!
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on August 06, 2019, 10:31:40 AM
I'm sure those privileged white boys have many profound insights to offer the world.
LmAO
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Post by: Tobias on August 06, 2019, 10:33:52 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 10, 2019, 02:21:34 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 13, 2019, 02:38:10 PM
https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1161330937931677696?s=20
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 13, 2019, 02:48:27 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 13, 2019, 07:14:51 PM
I'm sure we'll see AOC come out and speak up about some the movies and TV shows that are starting to pop on the radar screen about killing "conservatives".
But AOC has got to keep beating that drum because she's going to be running against the thousands of jobs and billions of dollars she cost NYC.
Post by: steve dave on August 13, 2019, 09:57:02 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 13, 2019, 10:07:03 PM
“antifa” lmao
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Dayton Dude was an Antifa guy . . . why is this always so hard for you?
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 13, 2019, 10:21:51 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 14, 2019, 07:21:21 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 13, 2019, 08:17:45 AM
Post by: mocat on September 13, 2019, 08:23:43 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 13, 2019, 08:27:26 AM
But in this case AOC is just an idiot.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 13, 2019, 08:29:28 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 13, 2019, 08:43:09 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 03, 2019, 09:00:27 PM
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1179934162704371713?s=21
Post by: star seed 7 on October 03, 2019, 09:42:52 PM
Post by: steve dave on October 03, 2019, 09:44:42 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 03, 2019, 09:52:14 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on October 03, 2019, 09:53:51 PM
Also Pubs - OMG did you see the "eat the babies" aoc libtard
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 03, 2019, 10:07:17 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on October 03, 2019, 10:16:21 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 03, 2019, 10:17:28 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 03, 2019, 10:18:18 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2019, 10:14:01 AM
Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on October 04, 2019, 10:16:33 AM
#EATTHEBABIES is the #1 thing trending right now. :lol:
I’m anxious to hear from TBT how he like’s em grilled, baked or raw to save on emissions obviously!
Post by: star seed 7 on October 04, 2019, 10:20:47 AM
Post by: 8manpick on October 04, 2019, 10:21:24 AM
#EATTHEBABIES is the #1 thing trending right now. :lol:Is it? are you on United States trends, or like, Dax’s basement trends?
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Post by: KST8FAN on October 04, 2019, 10:27:24 AM
#EATTHEBABIES is the #1 thing trending right now.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal
Tom
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 04, 2019, 10:32:25 AM
#EATTHEBABIES is the #1 thing trending right now. :lol:
I’m anxious to hear from TBT how he like’s em grilled, baked or raw to save on emissions obviously!
so are a lot of other total morons
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2019, 10:32:56 AM
:confused: Weird.#EATTHEBABIES is the #1 thing trending right now. :lol:Is it? are you on United States trends, or like, Dax’s basement trends?
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Post by: Ksuminnesotacat on October 04, 2019, 10:34:26 AM
#EATTHEBABIES is the #1 thing trending right now. :lol:
I’m anxious to hear from TBT how he like’s em grilled, baked or raw to save on emissions obviously!
so are a lot of other total morons
Ouch :ROFL:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 04, 2019, 10:38:25 AM
#EATTHEBABIES is the #1 thing trending right now. :lol:
I’m anxious to hear from TBT how he like’s em grilled, baked or raw to save on emissions obviously!
so are a lot of other total morons
Ouch :ROFL:
computers are hard
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2019, 10:54:34 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on October 04, 2019, 12:58:49 PM
LN right now: :curse: :bang:
not upset at all
just think it is ironic that many crisis acting / false flag believers bought this stunt so readily
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2019, 02:23:00 PM
Thanks for blocking me, you jerk.#EATTHEBABIES is the #1 thing trending right now. :lol:Is it? are you on United States trends, or like, Dax’s basement trends?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2019, 02:52:44 PM
It's obvious, but still needs to be said.
Post by: bucket on October 04, 2019, 02:56:45 PM
Post by: 8manpick on October 04, 2019, 03:00:29 PM
8man is tremendously weird.For blocking wacky for being a drunken bad person on twitter, or for using you to poke harmless fun at him on here?
It's obvious, but still needs to be said.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2019, 03:07:22 PM
8man is tremendously weird.For blocking wacky for being a drunken bad person on twitter, or for using you to poke harmless fun at him on here?
It's obvious, but still needs to be said.
Well, Wacks does get very :curse: if you ever make fun of K-State, Royals, Chiefs or KC in general, so your point will be taken under consideration.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2019, 03:09:10 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 11, 2019, 04:47:18 PM
https://twitter.com/washtimes/status/1182088011158343680?s=21
Post by: bucket on October 11, 2019, 09:55:59 PM
:lol: at this journalism piece
https://twitter.com/washtimes/status/1182088011158343680?s=21
Whaaaa :horrorsurprise:
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 22, 2019, 09:03:27 PM
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1186813570463490048
Post by: MakeItRain on October 22, 2019, 09:41:00 PM
This is the opportunity some of you guys have been waiting for. :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek:
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1186813570463490048
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Post by: catastrophe on November 15, 2019, 03:14:17 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 15, 2019, 03:22:08 PM
Bold and daring
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Post by: steve dave on December 07, 2019, 09:20:30 AM
I'm not sure running Amazon out on a rail had the support of her constituents:QuoteBy borough, residents of the Bronx—a predominately Hispanic area—were most excited about the move, with 64 percent approval and 21 percent disapproval, for a net approval of +43 percent. It’s nearly as popular in Staten Island. Queens, whose population is almost half foreign-born, and which will actually absorb the physical Amazon office space, was also enthusiastic—even about the subsidies. Manhattan residents were most skeptical, with only 54 percent supporting the move and a net disapproval of the subsidies of minus 15 percent.https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/12/what-nyc-think-amazon-hq2-jobs-long-island-city-queens/577453/ (https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/12/what-nyc-think-amazon-hq2-jobs-long-island-city-queens/577453/)
AOC is single handily keeping the body bag industry afloat.
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1203083485252112384
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She’s gross inside and out. She said “haters”, dorks.It's ok to admit that she is a handsome woman.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 08, 2019, 10:19:42 AM
I guess a huge pickle for magas because they have horny rage for AOC but they also loath Bezos because he dunks on trump.
End of day, win for taxpayers.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 08, 2019, 10:27:20 AM
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It’s really weird how much crazed libs bring up her looks. What a bunch of dorky horn balls. Woof!
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Yeah that's weird AF.
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It’s really weird how much crazed libs bring up her looks. What a bunch of dorky horn balls. Woof!
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We'll acknowledge that this isn't really a liberal thing. There is an entire conservative news network devoted to :fatty: There's also that meme that's probably in the Facebook thread half a dozen times showing good looking conservative women and "ugly" libs.
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Post by: 8manpick on December 10, 2019, 10:02:58 PM
https://twitter.com/comfortablysmug/status/1203390943388413952?s=21Heh, I can see that couch from my apartment window :blank:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 09, 2020, 09:46:36 AM
https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1215287369361870850?s=20
Post by: star seed 7 on January 09, 2020, 09:48:52 AM
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Post by: LickNeckey on January 09, 2020, 10:18:57 AM
:lol:
https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1215287369361870850?s=20
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 09, 2020, 11:01:11 AM
Post by: waks on January 09, 2020, 11:06:05 AM
Imagine our parents being scared to have children during the "Second Cold War". :lol::confused:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 09, 2020, 11:07:57 AM
Post by: 8manpick on January 09, 2020, 11:08:10 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on January 09, 2020, 11:11:28 AM
When was the "Second Cold War"?
When Wacky's parents were fearlessly popping out kids
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 09, 2020, 11:13:41 AM
You could actually look it up Chi, instead of being a douche about it, hippie.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 09, 2020, 11:18:44 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 09, 2020, 11:24:27 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 09, 2020, 11:28:08 AM
Fwiw I didn't get the second cold War post eitherShe’s claiming the end of the world aka “climate change” as a reason she doesn’t want to have kids to scare ppl into backing her bullshit political agenda. I’m just happy our parents didn’t freak out over BS narratives like the world is coming to an end “1984” to stop reproducing. She’s a hack.
Post by: waks on January 09, 2020, 11:31:48 AM
Oh man, waks doesn’t get the comparison. Yikes!No, I just think it was a dumb comparison. Anxiety in and of itself is not a medical disorder. It is an emotion. Had she claimed that the climate crisis gave her GAD (general anxiety disorder) then you might have a point.
Also, lol at climate change being a political agenda.
Post by: Tobias on January 09, 2020, 11:34:35 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 09, 2020, 11:43:06 AM
Post by: chum1 on January 09, 2020, 11:43:29 AM
Post by: waks on January 09, 2020, 11:49:36 AM
:lol: ‘stone is so horned up for this nut job. Using the term “anxiety” loosely is a huge slap in the face to real people who’ve actually dealt with the disorder (like myself). And waks, you know what her major campaign is right now, right? Do a quick google search and get back to me, son.You're in over your head, fanman. Take a lap.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 09, 2020, 11:57:29 AM
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Post by: 8manpick on January 09, 2020, 12:10:32 PM
:lol: ‘stone is so horned up for this nut job. Using the term “anxiety” loosely is a huge slap in the face to real people who’ve actually dealt with the disorder (like myself). And waks, you know what her major campaign is right now, right? Do a quick google search and get back to me, son.
You surely recognize that people can be anxious, or "have anxiety" about something without being clinically diagnosed. Can't believe you're such a liberal someone who makes me uncomfortable to take offense at that. :bait: :D
Post by: waks on January 09, 2020, 12:33:27 PM
Nice tap out, friend.8man already addressed your remarks on anxiety. As far as her "major campaign," the Green New Deal is just one policy she advocates for. I was merely laughing at your insinuation that climate change isn't real and that it's simply a political agenda. If that's the case, what does she have to gain with this agenda?
Post by: Brock Landers on January 09, 2020, 12:42:13 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 09, 2020, 12:58:07 PM
I never said climate change isn't real. I'm lol'ing at the fact that she thinks it will affect her children in the next 100 years. :lol: Agree to disagree. :cheers:Nice tap out, friend.8man already addressed your remarks on anxiety. As far as her "major campaign," the Green New Deal is just one policy she advocates for. I was merely laughing at your insinuation that climate change isn't real and that it's simply a political agenda. If that's the case, what does she have to gain with this agenda?
Post by: mocat on January 09, 2020, 02:01:13 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 09, 2020, 02:44:27 PM
Post by: chum1 on January 09, 2020, 03:04:34 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 09, 2020, 04:00:19 PM
:lol: ‘stone is so horned up for this nut job. Using the term “anxiety” loosely is a huge slap in the face to real people who’ve actually dealt with the disorder (like myself). And waks, you know what her major campaign is right now, right? Do a quick google search and get back to me, son.
why does she fluster and frustrate incels so much?
Post by: CHONGS on January 09, 2020, 04:06:22 PM
I see we've reached the point in this cycle where wacky points out that he is real victim here.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 09, 2020, 04:07:25 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 09, 2020, 04:08:13 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 09, 2020, 04:10:23 PM
I couldn't wait for chings to stop by. It's like clockwork. It was only a matter of time.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 09, 2020, 04:11:30 PM
I'm with Wacky, that's dumb. I'm sure she absolutely means it though.TY!
Post by: MakeItRain on January 09, 2020, 04:21:13 PM
I'm with Wacky, that's dumb. I'm sure she absolutely means it though.TY!
I might be wrong, but I think people got on your case because you intimated that she was lying about how she felt.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 09, 2020, 04:31:20 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 09, 2020, 04:48:33 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 09, 2020, 05:00:31 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 09, 2020, 05:09:46 PM
Thanks, SlowDug
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 09, 2020, 05:22:49 PM
Say uh, SlowDug, can I get a few links, I wanna check out some "incel" website, and see where you're hanging out all the time.
Thanks, SlowDug
infowars
theepochtimes
txags
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 09, 2020, 05:24:33 PM
Are you trying to sell something of yours by saying it?
Does that matter? Isn't your general point that you actually have crippling anxiety and for someone to use it without suffering the real mccoy cheapens your disease? Or do they have to be promoting a cause or product in order for it to cheapen?
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 09, 2020, 05:25:30 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 09, 2020, 05:25:56 PM
There was an opinion in the NYT I read yesterday about some environmental dude pushing back on the hardliners because he's about to have a kid, AOC should read it!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 09, 2020, 05:34:02 PM
My general point was lol’ing at her for saying climate change is the sole reason that’s giving her “anxiety” to bring kids into this world. I lol’d, because what a ridiculous comment. You decided to focus on the crippling anxiety point, to deflect into some weird battle you want to control. Just like you do with Dax. Because you’re super horned up for this chick and it drives you crazy when this thread is bumped.Are you trying to sell something of yours by saying it?
Does that matter? Isn't your general point that you actually have crippling anxiety and for someone to use it without suffering the real mccoy cheapens your disease? Or do they have to be promoting a cause or product in order for it to cheapen?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 09, 2020, 05:37:59 PM
My general point was lol’ing at her for saying climate change is the sole reason that’s giving her “anxiety” to bring kids into this world. I lol’d, because what a ridiculous comment. You decided to focus on the crippling anxiety point, to deflect into some weird battle you want to control. Just like you do with Dax. Because you’re super horned up for this chick and it drives you crazy when this thread is bumped.Are you trying to sell something of yours by saying it?
Does that matter? Isn't your general point that you actually have crippling anxiety and for someone to use it without suffering the real mccoy cheapens your disease? Or do they have to be promoting a cause or product in order for it to cheapen?
Just say that then and don't get your feelings hurt. She doesn't need to cause you this much intimidation and frustration. She is pretty ineffectual in the big picture
Post by: sys on January 09, 2020, 07:11:04 PM
Post by: chum1 on January 09, 2020, 07:17:13 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 09, 2020, 11:41:13 PM
lol. Feelings hurt? You comment on Trumps appearance 24/7/365 because you’re running out of things to say about a man delivering a speech (he breathes so heavy!). You’re a “lawyer”, do a ratio of the pit since 2016. My feelings are definitely not hurt, I overcame a real disorder to put myself into a position to provide for my family and worked hard to do so. If you don’t wanna lol at her because it doesn’t fit your lazy “lol Trump these days narrative “ then so be it. There’s a million reasons for ppl to be scared to bring kids into this world these days, climate warming isn’t even close to the top 1,000 on the list.My general point was lol’ing at her for saying climate change is the sole reason that’s giving her “anxiety” to bring kids into this world. I lol’d, because what a ridiculous comment. You decided to focus on the crippling anxiety point, to deflect into some weird battle you want to control. Just like you do with Dax. Because you’re super horned up for this chick and it drives you crazy when this thread is bumped.Are you trying to sell something of yours by saying it?
Does that matter? Isn't your general point that you actually have crippling anxiety and for someone to use it without suffering the real mccoy cheapens your disease? Or do they have to be promoting a cause or product in order for it to cheapen?
Just say that then and don't get your feelings hurt. She doesn't need to cause you this much intimidation and frustration. She is pretty ineffectual in the big picture
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 09, 2020, 11:42:47 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 10, 2020, 10:04:51 AM
lol. Feelings hurt? You comment on Trumps appearance 24/7/365 because you’re running out of things to say about a man delivering a speech (he breathes so heavy!). You’re a “lawyer”, do a ratio of the pit since 2016. My feelings are definitely not hurt, I overcame a real disorder to put myself into a position to provide for my family and worked hard to do so. If you don’t wanna lol at her because it doesn’t fit your lazy “lol Trump these days narrative “ then so be it. There’s a million reasons for ppl to be scared to bring kids into this world these days, climate warming isn’t even close to the top 1,000 on the list.My general point was lol’ing at her for saying climate change is the sole reason that’s giving her “anxiety” to bring kids into this world. I lol’d, because what a ridiculous comment. You decided to focus on the crippling anxiety point, to deflect into some weird battle you want to control. Just like you do with Dax. Because you’re super horned up for this chick and it drives you crazy when this thread is bumped.Are you trying to sell something of yours by saying it?
Does that matter? Isn't your general point that you actually have crippling anxiety and for someone to use it without suffering the real mccoy cheapens your disease? Or do they have to be promoting a cause or product in order for it to cheapen?
Just say that then and don't get your feelings hurt. She doesn't need to cause you this much intimidation and frustration. She is pretty ineffectual in the big picture
definitely not very pissed off at her for some weird reason.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 15, 2020, 01:29:55 PM
https://twitter.com/loganclarkhall/status/1217522823561912323?s=20
Post by: catastrophe on January 15, 2020, 01:42:13 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 15, 2020, 01:59:47 PM
Post by: bucket on February 04, 2020, 05:54:00 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 07, 2020, 07:29:48 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 07, 2020, 11:09:47 PM
Expecting Dax to post in the wrong thread in a matter of hours
Post by: Trim on February 07, 2020, 11:59:22 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 08, 2020, 03:25:21 PM
Somewhat off-subject from this lady, but we don't have gE'rs that believe the "amazon doesn't pay taxes" thing, do we?
Dax believes in some absolutely nuts crap from the far corners of the web. I’m sure there are some equally idiotic libs on here.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2020, 03:51:46 PM
It is fascinating to watch some in LibDork Nation be perfectly fine with that low % knowing that the same dumbasses lose their mind when non Lib favorites pay a relatively low % of taxes relative to revenue.
Not surprised Da Big Psycho and others are thinking about me, tho.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2020, 03:53:03 PM
https://twitter.com/mikemoran2010/status/1225996908063227905?s=21
Post by: Trim on February 08, 2020, 03:59:41 PM
Somewhat off-subject from this lady, but we don't have gE'rs that believe the "amazon doesn't pay taxes" thing, do we?
Dax believes in some absolutely nuts crap from the far corners of the web. I’m sure there are some equally idiotic libs on here.
:frown:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2020, 06:48:18 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 11, 2020, 03:05:15 PM
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1237635963800543232?s=20
Post by: sys on March 24, 2020, 11:45:09 PM
https://twitter.com/saikatc/status/1242623894646738944
Post by: michigancat on March 25, 2020, 12:35:43 AM
aoc's former chief of staff being way smarter than warren.Don't know why this is so difficult for Congress
https://twitter.com/saikatc/status/1242623894646738944
Post by: MakeItRain on March 25, 2020, 02:34:50 AM
aoc's former chief of staff being way smarter than warren.Don't know why this is so difficult for Congress
https://twitter.com/saikatc/status/1242623894646738944
Where's the cash from these businesses going to come from? Are we supposed to fulfill that payroll with monopoly money? IOUs? What about the cash for the bills that need to be paid? That's a good plan for large businesses, a really shitty one for small businesses.
Post by: sys on March 25, 2020, 03:15:17 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 25, 2020, 08:39:33 AM
Check the new to investing thread where all the resident “experts” dismiss inflation. We can just print infinite amounts of money, no issues according to the experts.aoc's former chief of staff being way smarter than warren.Don't know why this is so difficult for Congress
https://twitter.com/saikatc/status/1242623894646738944
Where's the cash from these businesses going to come from? Are we supposed to fulfill that payroll with monopoly money? IOUs? What about the cash for the bills that need to be paid? That's a good plan for large businesses, a really shitty one for small businesses.
Post by: michigancat on March 25, 2020, 08:41:23 AM
I'd be more than happy to expand it!aoc's former chief of staff being way smarter than warren.Don't know why this is so difficult for Congress
https://twitter.com/saikatc/status/1242623894646738944
Where's the cash from these businesses going to come from? Are we supposed to fulfill that payroll with monopoly money? IOUs? What about the cash for the bills that need to be paid? That's a good plan for large businesses, a really shitty one for small businesses.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 25, 2020, 11:20:23 AM
I'd be more than happy to expand it!aoc's former chief of staff being way smarter than warren.Don't know why this is so difficult for Congress
https://twitter.com/saikatc/status/1242623894646738944
Where's the cash from these businesses going to come from? Are we supposed to fulfill that payroll with monopoly money? IOUs? What about the cash for the bills that need to be paid? That's a good plan for large businesses, a really shitty one for small businesses.
You can't expand it without literally handing out gobs of cash. People aren't spending money if they can't leave the house.
Post by: michigancat on March 25, 2020, 11:59:19 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 25, 2020, 04:30:34 PM
MiR I think we need to literally hand out gobs of cash
Yes, I agree. That's not the same as the reimbursement program that was in that tweet that you and sys endorsed.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 25, 2020, 05:18:38 PM
Post by: catastrophe on March 25, 2020, 05:28:15 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 25, 2020, 05:35:16 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on March 25, 2020, 07:54:55 PM
I admit, the solutions on offer aren’t really my cup of tea, but just a straight all cash stimulus would be better than the current bill.
Post by: Phil Titola on March 25, 2020, 08:13:55 PM
the lag time makes it highly unlikely any small or medium size firms most affected will be able to weather the storm anyways.
I admit, the solutions on offer aren’t really my cup of tea, but just a straight all cash stimulus would be better than the current bill.
Man I really hope this isn't true. Pretty depressing thought. I think a lot of the upcoming loans will help many get through.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 25, 2020, 08:17:14 PM
the lag time makes it highly unlikely any small or medium size firms most affected will be able to weather the storm anyways.
I admit, the solutions on offer aren’t really my cup of tea, but just a straight all cash stimulus would be better than the current bill.
Man I really hope this isn't true. Pretty depressing thought. I think a lot of the upcoming loans will help many get through.
I’m talking specifically about entertainment, hospitality, oil and gas, real estate, retail (non big box or grocery) but I’m sure others will get swept up too.
Post by: sys on March 25, 2020, 09:30:17 PM
Amash is right. Just hand out cash to everyone. Filtering it through corporations is dumb.
it has some issues (that can pretty easily be addressed, imo), but it has the enormous advantage of keeping everyone employed with their current employers. if you do it any other way, most companies will basically have to fire huge numbers of people or go broke. there's no reason to force that sort of dislocation.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 30, 2020, 04:45:14 PM
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Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2020, 07:20:03 PM
She watched what the Tea Party did... you can't win alone...embed yourself in the party and pull it in your direction
smart long term play!
Post by: sys on April 01, 2020, 02:32:33 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on April 01, 2020, 07:01:59 PM
LOL. That is a sweet troll.
Was "communism" the tip off?
Post by: IPA4Me on April 01, 2020, 07:10:34 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on April 01, 2020, 07:47:57 PM
Did you read the replies? People actually believed it.
I wasn't mocking you, just marvelling on how crap the video was.
Post by: sys on April 01, 2020, 11:17:53 PM
https://twitter.com/gray_sphere/status/1245351825722802176
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Post by: chum1 on April 21, 2020, 08:10:28 PM
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1252722338254159872
Post by: star seed 7 on April 21, 2020, 09:16:42 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 21, 2020, 09:22:06 PM
Post by: Katpappy on April 21, 2020, 11:36:09 PM
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1252731562317287424
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1252722338254159872
This is interesting: https://twitter.com/i/status/1224125488915869696
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 22, 2020, 09:47:55 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 22, 2020, 10:08:36 AM
https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1252797422201262081?s=21
Was breaking the law . . . SMDH
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 23, 2020, 03:33:24 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 01, 2020, 02:46:27 PM
https://twitter.com/daveentrentmann/status/1256272526155661314
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2020, 02:50:13 PM
Soon to be offset by another: Federalism - eff Yeah! Moment
Pro tip, employees pissed that boss got PPP Loan, because they make more money on UE.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2020, 02:54:00 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2020, 02:57:27 PM
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I know your always at least 6 laps down around here.
But your "buddies" have been weaving and bobbing their way picking and choosing when Federalism should and should not be applied. One moment demanding the Federal Government control every aspect of American Life, the next rallying around Federalism when it fits their agenda.
That tweet was clearly demanding a "federal program" to (I guess) deliver food to people.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2020, 03:42:38 PM
I don't know who my buddies are, but yeah, of course they are going to be selective as to when federal intervention is wanted or needed, literally every single political view is just that. Everyone falls on a different side of this depending on what the issue is. I would point out inconsistencies with your views on federalism as well, if you ever had a frank conversation about your beliefs about anything on here. Instead you are just a repeating fountain of nonsense, bad nicknames, conservative blog talking points that you quickly back away from when you're made to be the fool.
People only believe in federalism some of the time. No crap Sherlock.
Post by: michigancat on May 01, 2020, 04:13:25 PM
Interested to see how pissed Dax is about this.
https://twitter.com/daveentrentmann/status/1256272526155661314
aoc with the chinese not-approved-by-the-FDA KN95's
Post by: steve dave on May 14, 2020, 03:49:23 PM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 14, 2020, 04:23:26 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 14, 2020, 05:05:25 PM
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1260729711061237760
Post by: steve dave on May 14, 2020, 06:47:48 PM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 18, 2020, 05:50:27 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 18, 2020, 05:53:28 PM
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1273683661116891136That's my president
Post by: kim carnes on June 18, 2020, 06:04:05 PM
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1273683661116891136That's my president
Federal jobs guarantee... what a gd clown
Post by: cfbandyman on June 18, 2020, 11:02:29 PM
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1273683661116891136That's my president
Once she turns 35 it's going to be one helluva ride watching her just absolutely wreck crap on her way to a presidency (and I don't really care for her that much, just goddamn). Maybe she'll try in 2024 (she'll technically be over 35 by Jan 20, 2025), but still. If I could bet on who will be the first female prez (even with whoever Diamond Joe picks as VP and he could pass and could ascend assuming he wins in November), she has got to be in very favorable odds, and I would throw money on it.
Post by: Spracne on June 19, 2020, 12:22:10 AM
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1273683661116891136That's my president
Once she turns 35 it's going to be one helluva ride watching her just absolutely wreck crap on her way to a presidency (and I don't really care for her that much, just goddamn). Maybe she'll try in 2024 (she'll technically be over 35 by Jan 20, 2025), but still. If I could bet on who will be the first female prez (even with whoever Diamond Joe picks as VP and he could pass and could ascend assuming he wins in November), she has got to be in very favorable odds, and I would throw money on it.
Are you interested in a wager?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2020, 06:30:00 AM
The path will accelerate once Joe resigns for health reasons 6 months in.
Hold tight resident ProgoNazi’s your agrarian utopia is coming.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 19, 2020, 07:47:26 AM
Post by: steve dave on June 19, 2020, 08:15:01 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 19, 2020, 08:55:34 AM
Lol. You think she’s going to be president? Did you blackout during the Bernie campaigns or something?She's way better than Bernie
Post by: star seed 7 on June 19, 2020, 09:00:44 AM
Post by: chum1 on June 19, 2020, 09:01:12 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 19, 2020, 09:02:07 AM
I agree she's got no shot at being president right now. BUT she could move center on fiscal policy and get there. And people have VERY short memories on that stuff. I don't think she will though. She seems to genuinely believe in where she lands now, which is good, but won't help her.
I think in 8-12 years mainstream positions will shift in her direction, even if they don't quite get all the way there. Like all the Dem primary candidates endorsed the green new deal and people thought it was bat crap crazy a year ago.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 19, 2020, 09:07:46 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 19, 2020, 09:09:48 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 19, 2020, 09:12:03 AM
I thought her numbers in her district weren't that great. :dunno: I thought just some horned up super libs like her.
horned up boomers secretly can't stop thinking about her which keeps her much more relevant than she would be typically.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 19, 2020, 09:20:44 AM
Post by: chum1 on June 19, 2020, 09:23:57 AM
Fair. Running campaigns based off offering free crap is a people pleaser too.
Better add a few more years to the presidential campaign estimate.
Post by: cfbandyman on June 19, 2020, 09:24:42 AM
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1273683661116891136That's my president
Once she turns 35 it's going to be one helluva ride watching her just absolutely wreck crap on her way to a presidency (and I don't really care for her that much, just goddamn). Maybe she'll try in 2024 (she'll technically be over 35 by Jan 20, 2025), but still. If I could bet on who will be the first female prez (even with whoever Diamond Joe picks as VP and he could pass and could ascend assuming he wins in November), she has got to be in very favorable odds, and I would throw money on it.
Are you interested in a wager?
Oui
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 19, 2020, 09:27:16 AM
Post by: chum1 on June 19, 2020, 09:28:12 AM
Conservatives are crossing lines right now. I'm voting for Biden. Good luck however, getting them to go uber left. She has said a lot of dumb things still, chum. Just because people are waking up and starting to make a movement for justice and change, doesn't mean they'll go full radicalized.
Yes, I agree.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 19, 2020, 09:29:20 AM
Fair. Running campaigns based off offering free crap is a people pleaser too.
Running a campaign off of a wall paid for by mexico that is a billion % lie for idiots works pretty good.
Post by: cfbandyman on June 19, 2020, 09:29:54 AM
I could see it in 20 years, but not 4
That's my general feeling too (and not saying she would even try in 2024) but I could see her being a prez before whomever Biden has a VP does. She is a lightning rod, right or wrong, for better or worse. If you don't think she could IMO then how the hell did we end up with the current prez (electoral college aside). I just think she's got a lot of tools in the kit to win in these times, slays at twitter, polarizing, and she will get so much play on the news media because of the things she says. It's basically the trump play book. It'll happen at some point IMO.
Post by: michigancat on June 19, 2020, 09:37:02 AM
I agree she's got no shot at being president right now. BUT she could move center on fiscal policy and get there. And people have VERY short memories on that stuff. I don't think she will though. She seems to genuinely believe in where she lands now, which is good, but won't help her.
I think in 8-12 years mainstream positions will shift in her direction, even if they don't quite get all the way there. Like all the Dem primary candidates endorsed the green new deal and people thought it was bat crap crazy a year ago.
I could be filtering this through my own bias, but GND initially was mocked for being substantive policy, now it's more of a buzz word and idea. Granted it helped spur on alot of conversation and greater consensus on the left about what deep decarbonization should be.
Here's a good read on it
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/02012020/green-new-deal-future-2020-election-climate-change-sanders-ocasio-cortez
It kind of touches on how much easier it is to sell than a carbon tax. It's a good example of why AOC is so good IMO.
Post by: sys on June 19, 2020, 12:17:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Robillard/status/1273712029375901701
Post by: steve dave on June 19, 2020, 12:28:12 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 19, 2020, 12:30:19 PM
Post by: DQ12 on June 19, 2020, 12:32:38 PM
Post by: catastrophe on June 19, 2020, 01:06:45 PM
it's easy to overestimate how well-known someone like aoc is. she is obviously a big deal on twitter and on fox news and she gets oversized-coverage from the political media in general. but she's still just a freshman rep with a thinner political resume than pete buttigieg. i think she's a very talented politician, but she's a long ways from being able to mount a credible campaign for the presidency and i don't see an easy route for her to close that gap.Fortunately for her, a presidential campaign can apparently be successful without being credible.
https://twitter.com/Robillard/status/1273712029375901701
Post by: michigancat on June 19, 2020, 01:09:50 PM
it's easy to overestimate how well-known someone like aoc is. she is obviously a big deal on twitter and on fox news and she gets oversized-coverage from the political media in general. but she's still just a freshman rep with a thinner political resume than pete buttigieg. i think she's a very talented politician, but she's a long ways from being able to mount a credible campaign for the presidency and i don't see an easy route for her to close that gap.
https://twitter.com/Robillard/status/1273712029375901701
yeah she's probably 8 years away. according to that graph she's right there with multiple credible Presidential candidates and as you mentioned she's a freshman rep. I mean Obama went from state senator to president in 4 years.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 19, 2020, 01:15:49 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 19, 2020, 01:20:07 PM
She should run for senate.
only if hillibrand or schumer drop out. she doesn't have a ton to gain TBH, she's more well known than most senators as is.
Post by: sys on June 19, 2020, 01:29:30 PM
according to that graph she's right there with multiple credible Presidential candidates and as you mentioned she's a freshman rep. I mean Obama went from state senator to president in 4 years.
credible was the wrong word to use. buttigieg ran a credible campaign. people took him seriously and he impacted the direction and outcome of the results. but he never had a chance of winning. maybe competitive would be a better word. aoc could run. she'd raise a ton of money. she'd get press coverage, she'd probably impact the race in some way. but she wouldn't win.
re. obama, it was probably important that he won a statewide race before running. i don't think he'd have won without that legitimacy. but even at that, i don't think 2008 obama could have won in 2020. experience and an established political identity were more important this last cycle than in 2008. the electorate was in no mood for hope and change in 2020. we'll see what the electorate wants in 2024, but i'm guessing it will be closer to 2020 than 2008.
farther out than that, god knows, but, one way or another, aoc won't be a fresh face by then anyways.
Post by: sys on June 19, 2020, 01:32:06 PM
She should run for senate.
i don't want to look for them, but i've seen polls that indicate she would not be competitive. she might have a better shot at mayor of nyc (but that might be a bit of a poisoned chalice in terms of national aspirations).
Post by: sys on June 19, 2020, 01:33:25 PM
she doesn't have a ton to gain TBH.
disagree with this. politics is a bit of a shark's game. keep moving or die (become a house lifer).
Post by: kim carnes on June 19, 2020, 01:36:24 PM
Post by: chum1 on June 19, 2020, 01:36:46 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 19, 2020, 01:39:01 PM
she doesn't have a ton to gain TBH.
disagree with this. politics is a bit of a shark's game. keep moving or die (become a house lifer).
she doesn't have a ton to gain by challenging Schumer or Hillenbrand, she should consider running if he retires though.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 19, 2020, 01:41:55 PM
Idk what the average federal tax rate would be to pay for her plans but it would be absurdly high. Well over 50%. Probably like 60-70% for anyone that earns 6 figures. That sounds awful to me.
We would run a deficit like we do for everyone else.
Post by: sys on June 19, 2020, 01:42:33 PM
she should consider running if he retires though.
i agree that she shouldn't challenge either of the sitting senators, because she'd very likely lose. i disagree that she doesn't have much to gain. senators are taken much more seriously than are representatives.
Post by: sys on June 19, 2020, 01:44:30 PM
Post by: kim carnes on June 19, 2020, 01:49:38 PM
Idk what the average federal tax rate would be to pay for her plans but it would be absurdly high. Well over 50%. Probably like 60-70% for anyone that earns 6 figures. That sounds awful to me.
We would run a deficit like we do for everyone else.
Yeah, I don’t think you’re familiar with her policies, particularly the green new deal. I’m not even certain that they’re possible.
Post by: michigancat on June 19, 2020, 01:51:15 PM
she should consider running if he retires though.
i agree that she shouldn't challenge either of the sitting senators, because she'd very likely lose. i disagree that she doesn't have much to gain. senators are taken much more seriously than are representatives.
yeah I don't think what she would gain is worth what a potential loss and fight with the party when you have two safe dem senate seats to begin with. she can build credibility with the party, gain notoriety, and influence national politics where she is.
and IMO Hillenbrand sounds better
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 19, 2020, 01:55:16 PM
Idk what the average federal tax rate would be to pay for her plans but it would be absurdly high. Well over 50%. Probably like 60-70% for anyone that earns 6 figures. That sounds awful to me.
We would run a deficit like we do for everyone else.
Yeah, I don’t think you’re familiar with her policies, particularly the green new deal. I’m not even certain that they’re possible.
They would be expensive, but acting like we would have to raise taxes to pay for all of them while Trump is running a deficit of more than $1 trillion is disingenuous. We would raise taxes and continue running a large deficit, but I don't think effective tax rates would approach 30% on a 100k salary, let alone 60-70%.
Post by: sys on June 19, 2020, 01:56:15 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 19, 2020, 02:13:06 PM
Or Maoist-Pol Potian AOC
Post by: kim carnes on June 19, 2020, 02:23:30 PM
Idk what the average federal tax rate would be to pay for her plans but it would be absurdly high. Well over 50%. Probably like 60-70% for anyone that earns 6 figures. That sounds awful to me.
We would run a deficit like we do for everyone else.
Yeah, I don’t think you’re familiar with her policies, particularly the green new deal. I’m not even certain that they’re possible.
They would be expensive, but acting like we would have to raise taxes to pay for all of them while Trump is running a deficit of more than $1 trillion is disingenuous. We would raise taxes and continue running a large deficit, but I don't think effective tax rates would approach 30% on a 100k salary, let alone 60-70%.
Right, you don’t think they would approach 30% bc you’re not actually familiar with her policies.
She wants to:
Cover the entire country in high speed rail
Update every structure in America to the most efficient classification
Convert to all renewable energy
All autos will be electric
Free college
Free healthcare
Free childcare
Forgive all student debt
Every type of paid leave imaginable
Maternity leave of at least one yr
Paid vacation
Paid holidays
Federal job guarantee which I assume will include a pension
Reparations
Open borders
No homeless people (so free housing for anyone that wants it)
Give money to other countries to help them convert to renewables
Reduce working hours
And I’m sure a lot more ideas are forthcoming
Post by: michigancat on June 19, 2020, 02:26:10 PM
Post by: 8manpick on June 19, 2020, 02:27:50 PM
Post by: sys on June 19, 2020, 02:29:46 PM
She wants to:
Cover the entire country in high speed rail
Update every structure in America to the most efficient classification
Convert to all renewable energy
All autos will be electric
Free college
Free healthcare
Free childcare
Forgive all student debt
Every type of paid leave imaginable
Maternity leave of at least one yr
Paid vacation
Paid holidays
Federal job guarantee which I assume will include a pension
Reparations
Open borders
No homeless people (so free housing for anyone that wants it)
Give money to other countries to help them convert to renewables
Reduce working hours
And I’m sure a lot more ideas are forthcoming
she'd be lucky if the senate lets her appoint a few judges now and again.
Post by: michigancat on June 19, 2020, 02:31:48 PM
It is wild that in the US paid Maternity/Holidays/Vacation aren’t mandatory
And sick leave! I haven't heard anyone discuss it since like March
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 19, 2020, 02:57:22 PM
it's easy to overestimate how well-known someone like aoc is. she is obviously a big deal on twitter and on fox news and she gets oversized-coverage from the political media in general. but she's still just a freshman rep with a thinner political resume than pete buttigieg. i think she's a very talented politician, but she's a long ways from being able to mount a credible campaign for the presidency and i don't see an easy route for her to close that gap.
https://twitter.com/Robillard/status/1273712029375901701
yeah she's probably 8 years away. according to that graph she's right there with multiple credible Presidential candidates and as you mentioned she's a freshman rep. I mean Obama went from state senator to president in 4 years.
But obama was a charismatic minority candidate who was smooth and had a certain style that made the old white men get rage boners every time he did something cool....so maybe you are on to something
Post by: Katpappy on June 19, 2020, 03:23:29 PM
Yeah, demographics and aversion to socialism (the word) are changing quickly. It's going to be an interesting time when millenials are old people and zoomer's kids are super mean to us and stuff.
Yes son, the future is clear. :thumbsup:
Post by: star seed 7 on June 19, 2020, 03:25:02 PM
It is wild that in the US paid Maternity/Holidays/Vacation aren’t mandatory
Do you hate businesses or something? :shakesfist:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 19, 2020, 03:37:32 PM
Idk what the average federal tax rate would be to pay for her plans but it would be absurdly high. Well over 50%. Probably like 60-70% for anyone that earns 6 figures. That sounds awful to me.
We would run a deficit like we do for everyone else.
Yeah, I don’t think you’re familiar with her policies, particularly the green new deal. I’m not even certain that they’re possible.
They would be expensive, but acting like we would have to raise taxes to pay for all of them while Trump is running a deficit of more than $1 trillion is disingenuous. We would raise taxes and continue running a large deficit, but I don't think effective tax rates would approach 30% on a 100k salary, let alone 60-70%.
Right, you don’t think they would approach 30% bc you’re not actually familiar with her policies.
She wants to:
Cover the entire country in high speed rail
Update every structure in America to the most efficient classification
Convert to all renewable energy
All autos will be electric
Free college
Free healthcare
Free childcare
Forgive all student debt
Every type of paid leave imaginable
Maternity leave of at least one yr
Paid vacation
Paid holidays
Federal job guarantee which I assume will include a pension
Reparations
Open borders
No homeless people (so free housing for anyone that wants it)
Give money to other countries to help them convert to renewables
Reduce working hours
And I’m sure a lot more ideas are forthcoming
Realistically, a President AOC might get one or two of those accomplished. A lot of them are unfunded mandates on businesses that don't directly cost the government anything.
Post by: cfbandyman on June 19, 2020, 03:50:06 PM
It is wild that in the US paid Maternity/Holidays/Vacation aren’t mandatory
Stuff like that (especially the maternity leave part) is stuff that really really pisses me off. In general, when like 80-90%+ of the world does certain things (like healthcare) or paid maternity leave and we don't, it's like, come on, we need to be better.
Post by: Katpappy on June 19, 2020, 03:51:18 PM
I thought her numbers in her district weren't that great. :dunno: I thought just some horned up super libs like her.
horned up boomers secretly can't stop thinking about her which keeps her much more relevant than she would be typically.
She's a stupid hair brained millennial to this boomer.
Post by: sys on June 22, 2020, 12:13:18 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1274923712324796421
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 22, 2020, 09:19:50 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 14, 2020, 10:11:27 PM
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Post by: 8manpick on July 14, 2020, 10:18:15 PM
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1283232003765293057She is good at Twitter!
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2020, 10:23:11 PM
Post by: kim carnes on July 14, 2020, 10:27:05 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2020, 10:36:27 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 14, 2020, 10:39:43 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2020, 10:42:07 PM
Fuckability is def the most important characteristic.What do you like most about her besides her Twitter content, poor neighborhood that remains the same, and MAGA going nuts over her?
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 14, 2020, 10:48:02 PM
Well for one she actually cares about her constituents and engages with them, constantly. Whether you agree with her views or not she voices her views very clearly, and without some vieled agenda based on big donors. She has fresh ideas that are backed by research, you may not agree with them but she does her homework. I think she truly cares and is trying to do what she thinks is best for the people who elected her.Fuckability is def the most important characteristic.What do you like most about her besides her Twitter content, poor neighborhood that remains the same, and MAGA going nuts over her?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2020, 10:53:17 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2020, 10:54:59 PM
Sounds like Trump and Hitler.Well for one she actually cares about her constituents and engages with them, constantly. Whether you agree with her views or not she voices her views very clearly, and without some vieled agenda based on big donors. She has fresh ideas that are backed by research, you may not agree with them but she does her homework. I think she truly cares and is trying to do what she thinks is best for the people who elected her.Fuckability is def the most important characteristic.What do you like most about her besides her Twitter content, poor neighborhood that remains the same, and MAGA going nuts over her?
Post by: michigancat on July 14, 2020, 10:56:20 PM
Out of all those things she talks about, what’s your favorite thing she’s done?Green New Deal proposal
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 14, 2020, 10:57:19 PM
Out of all those things she talks about, what’s your favorite thing she’s done?I feel like this is the same question again. I already told you what I like about her. Sorry it’s more complex than her fuckability score.
If you’re talking about what she, as a member of a 435 person body has done, that’s oddly specific.
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 14, 2020, 10:58:14 PM
Sounds like Trump and Hitler.Well for one she actually cares about her constituents and engages with them, constantly. Whether you agree with her views or not she voices her views very clearly, and without some vieled agenda based on big donors. She has fresh ideas that are backed by research, you may not agree with them but she does her homework. I think she truly cares and is trying to do what she thinks is best for the people who elected her.Fuckability is def the most important characteristic.What do you like most about her besides her Twitter content, poor neighborhood that remains the same, and MAGA going nuts over her?
:confused:
Umm....ok?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2020, 10:58:21 PM
What does that even mean?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 14, 2020, 11:02:39 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2020, 11:03:31 PM
Fuckability is def the most important characteristic.What do you like most about her besides her Twitter content, poor neighborhood that remains the same, and MAGA going nuts over her?
You sure about that? I have no idea why you would think that. Anyway, although it's largely minority, it isn't poor, it's firmly middle class, the median income is around $60,000.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2020, 11:13:45 PM
So you think she’s a semi passionate politician, that aligns with views that other ppl might say against trump, but have zero engagement on the matters at hand? Got it! :cheers:Well for one she actually cares about her constituents and engages with them, constantly. Whether you agree with her views or not she voices her views very clearly, and without some vieled agenda based on big donors. She has fresh ideas that are backed by research, you may not agree with them but she does her homework. I think she truly cares and is trying to do what she thinks is best for the people who elected her.Fuckability is def the most important characteristic.What do you like most about her besides her Twitter content, poor neighborhood that remains the same, and MAGA going nuts over her?
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 14, 2020, 11:15:29 PM
So you think she’s a semi passionate politician, that aligns with views that other ppl might say against trump, but have zero engagement on the matters at hand? Got it! :cheers:Well for one she actually cares about her constituents and engages with them, constantly. Whether you agree with her views or not she voices her views very clearly, and without some vieled agenda based on big donors. She has fresh ideas that are backed by research, you may not agree with them but she does her homework. I think she truly cares and is trying to do what she thinks is best for the people who elected her.Fuckability is def the most important characteristic.What do you like most about her besides her Twitter content, poor neighborhood that remains the same, and MAGA going nuts over her?
If that’s what you took away from what I said in that pretty incoherent response, then yes.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2020, 11:16:51 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 14, 2020, 11:17:26 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 14, 2020, 11:18:55 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 14, 2020, 11:19:53 PM
Da Big Sociopath will not let any perceived slight of the politician that gets him the most horned up pass.Whoa it’s way past your bedtime too, grandpa.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 14, 2020, 11:21:43 PM
Da Big Sociopath will not let any perceived slight of the politician that gets him the most horned up pass.Whoa it’s way past your bedtime too, grandpa.
I'd post a meme or something, but I'm guessing the ol' Barracuda won't let you see it.
:frown:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2020, 11:24:22 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 14, 2020, 11:26:38 PM
Got wireshark actively listening in the DMZ so I don’t get any virus’s you are trying to sneak on my home network.Da Big Sociopath will not let any perceived slight of the politician that gets him the most horned up pass.Whoa it’s way past your bedtime too, grandpa.
I'd post a meme or something, but I'm guessing the ol' Barracuda won't let you see it.
:frown:
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 14, 2020, 11:27:57 PM
Nah, I’m good, bud. I’ve literally refaced myself as a poster in the last 6 months. Growing, taking care of my fam, etc. You just continue to go status quo on the board, fighting with Dax, bragging about how you can give away your “$” (To help others for clout. Lol) and where you should work remote, while continually acting like you care about covid regulations and shaming others. I’m good.:cheers:
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2020, 11:28:53 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 14, 2020, 11:32:57 PM
Got wireshark actively listening in the DMZ so I don’t get any virus’s you are trying to sneak on my home network.Da Big Sociopath will not let any perceived slight of the politician that gets him the most horned up pass.Whoa it’s way past your bedtime too, grandpa.
I'd post a meme or something, but I'm guessing the ol' Barracuda won't let you see it.
:frown:
Yeah, I post a lot of virus meme's.
FFS :lol:
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 14, 2020, 11:35:11 PM
It was a joke budGot wireshark actively listening in the DMZ so I don’t get any virus’s you are trying to sneak on my home network.Da Big Sociopath will not let any perceived slight of the politician that gets him the most horned up pass.Whoa it’s way past your bedtime too, grandpa.
I'd post a meme or something, but I'm guessing the ol' Barracuda won't let you see it.
:frown:
Yeah, I post a lot of virus meme's.
FFS :lol:
Post by: Spracne on July 14, 2020, 11:35:51 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 14, 2020, 11:36:44 PM
But, we are talking about a woman who pro actively hopes for the loss of energy jobs while attempting to placate those who have lost their jobs in that sector with some sort of 5 year plan green energy utopia.
I mean, how positively central committee.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2020, 11:41:45 PM
I've miss these little tiff treats, with Wacky being a mostly responsible parent these days.If tbt was a real Robin Hood, he’d leave everything he has behind in a bubble for Barbados. Let all of KCMO homeless live in his two bedroom condo downtown for the next year, and call world peace a wrap. Absolutely just leave this madness! But I know he doesn’t have it in him. :frown: #1love #1cat #1tsc
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 14, 2020, 11:45:16 PM
How do you know this isn’t already my plan?I've miss these little tiff treats, with Wacky being a mostly responsible parent these days.If tbt was a real Robin Hood, he’d leave everything he has behind in a bubble for Barbados. Let all of KCMO homeless live in his two bedroom condo downtown for the next year, and call world peace a wrap. Absolutely just leave this madness! But I know he doesn’t have it in him. :frown: #1love #1cat #1tsc
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2020, 11:46:49 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 14, 2020, 11:50:56 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2020, 11:56:59 PM
I've miss these little tiff treats, with Wacky being a mostly responsible parent these days.:lol: https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=41959.msg1994932#new
Post by: Tobias on July 15, 2020, 12:23:05 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 15, 2020, 07:27:30 AM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on July 23, 2020, 02:16:14 PM
https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1286315637275598849
Post by: kim carnes on July 23, 2020, 02:28:38 PM
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 23, 2020, 02:36:08 PM
I've miss these little tiff treats, with Wacky being a mostly responsible parent these days.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 23, 2020, 04:47:55 PM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on July 23, 2020, 05:16:17 PM
She enrages magas even beyond what they normally enraged
Nothing MAGA white males hate more than young, smart, and successful females with tan or dark skin.
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Post by: michigancat on July 23, 2020, 05:35:00 PM
I can assure you that she is disliked politically by many non-maga folks. She is a self-proclaimed socialist and believe it or not some people in this country don’t like socialism.
she's very good with people, they will come around when they get to know her.
Post by: kim carnes on July 23, 2020, 05:45:50 PM
I can assure you that she is disliked politically by many non-maga folks. She is a self-proclaimed socialist and believe it or not some people in this country don’t like socialism.
she's very good with people, they will come around when they get to know her.
I don’t mind her, but I wouldn’t vote for her bc her policies are awful. She wants to save the planet yet her policies encourage unchecked population growth...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 23, 2020, 05:46:09 PM
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Post by: michigancat on July 23, 2020, 05:49:03 PM
I can assure you that she is disliked politically by many non-maga folks. She is a self-proclaimed socialist and believe it or not some people in this country don’t like socialism.
she's very good with people, they will come around when they get to know her.
I don’t mind her, but I wouldn’t vote for her bc her policies are awful. She wants to save the planet yet her policies encourage unchecked population growth...
You'll vote for her when the time comes
Post by: kim carnes on July 23, 2020, 05:52:12 PM
I can assure you that she is disliked politically by many non-maga folks. She is a self-proclaimed socialist and believe it or not some people in this country don’t like socialism.
she's very good with people, they will come around when they get to know her.
I don’t mind her, but I wouldn’t vote for her bc her policies are awful. She wants to save the planet yet her policies encourage unchecked population growth...
You'll vote for her when the time comes
She has mentioned population control before so maybe
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Post by: michigancat on July 23, 2020, 11:25:04 PM
The mental jujitsu required to get called a rough ridin' bitch and somehow emerge looking like the bigger person is truly remarkable, I have to say.LOL such a a maga-lite take
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 23, 2020, 11:29:54 PM
The mental jujitsu required to get called a rough ridin' bitch and somehow emerge looking like the bigger person is truly remarkable, I have to say.LOL such a a maga-lite take
Having a deep rooted superiority complex over woman is a hard thing to get rid of. Even when you are trying to have a neutral take.
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Post by: Spracne on July 24, 2020, 12:27:07 AM
The mental jujitsu required to get called a rough ridin' bitch and somehow emerge looking like the bigger person is truly remarkable, I have to say.LOL such a a maga-lite take
What do you mean?
Post by: steve dave on July 24, 2020, 08:25:09 AM
She called him a low life rough ridin' bad person who has no respect for his wife and daughters, but did it quite elegantly.
yes, it ruled
Post by: michigancat on July 24, 2020, 08:37:08 AM
The mental jujitsu required to get called a rough ridin' bitch and somehow emerge looking like the bigger person is truly remarkable, I have to say.LOL such a a maga-lite take
What do you mean?
It's the take of someone who supports Trump but isn't quite bold enough to actually wear the MAGA hat. It completely dismissed the speech while also kind of dismissing the problem of women being called "rough ridin' bitches" without actually saying any of it or directly insulting anyone! Plus the term "mental jujitsu"! I can see Ben Sasse making a similar comment after loosening his tie, cleaning off the mud, and crushing some suds with the boys.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 24, 2020, 09:00:50 AM
The mental jujitsu required to get called a rough ridin' bitch and somehow emerge looking like the bigger person is truly remarkable, I have to say.
Yet she completely did and dunked on that old maga in savage fashion.
Post by: steve dave on July 24, 2020, 09:18:10 AM
I can see Ben Sasse making a similar comment after loosening his tie, cleaning off the mud, and crushing some suds with the boys.
damn, that's hot
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2020, 09:30:17 AM
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Post by: kim carnes on July 24, 2020, 09:39:50 AM
The mental jujitsu required to get called a rough ridin' bitch and somehow emerge looking like the bigger person is truly remarkable, I have to say.LOL such a a maga-lite take
Hey nerd, does your wife know you’re actually in love with someone else? Lmao.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2020, 09:43:26 AM
I knew that would piss your weird old ass off.
Coming from one of the boards primary total weirdos, I'll have to take that under advisement.
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Post by: michigancat on July 24, 2020, 10:24:34 AM
The mental jujitsu required to get called a rough ridin' bitch and somehow emerge looking like the bigger person is truly remarkable, I have to say.LOL such a a maga-lite take
Hey nerd, does your wife know you’re actually in love with someone else? Lmao.
yep! Lmao.
Post by: Institutional Control on July 24, 2020, 10:49:20 AM
https://twitter.com/solmemes1/status/1286103809698279433?s=21
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That was the longest Jib Jab ever. 20 seconds in and you get the idea, 2 minutes later it's still going.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 24, 2020, 11:00:51 AM
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That was the longest Jib Jab ever. 20 seconds in and you get the idea, 2 minutes later it's still going.
Wacks, please tag with trigger warnings next time you post something like this. I'm speaking on behalf of IC and others, thanks friend.
Post by: Spracne on July 24, 2020, 11:13:14 AM
The mental jujitsu required to get called a rough ridin' bitch and somehow emerge looking like the bigger person is truly remarkable, I have to say.LOL such a a maga-lite take
What do you mean?
It's the take of someone who supports Trump but isn't quite bold enough to actually wear the MAGA hat. It completely dismissed the speech while also kind of dismissing the problem of women being called "rough ridin' bitches" without actually saying any of it or directly insulting anyone! Plus the term "mental jujitsu"! I can see Ben Sasse making a similar comment after loosening his tie, cleaning off the mud, and crushing some suds with the boys.
You fool, I'm not mocking AOC, I'm mocking your reaction to it. She was dealt a straight flush. Given that, are you surprised she won the pot? I don't begrudge AOC one bit for playing the hand she was dealt and playing it well.
The balance of your comments are just assumptions about me that are untrue.
Post by: michigancat on July 24, 2020, 11:38:46 AM
The mental jujitsu required to get called a rough ridin' bitch and somehow emerge looking like the bigger person is truly remarkable, I have to say.LOL such a a maga-lite take
What do you mean?
It's the take of someone who supports Trump but isn't quite bold enough to actually wear the MAGA hat. It completely dismissed the speech while also kind of dismissing the problem of women being called "rough ridin' bitches" without actually saying any of it or directly insulting anyone! Plus the term "mental jujitsu"! I can see Ben Sasse making a similar comment after loosening his tie, cleaning off the mud, and crushing some suds with the boys.
You fool, I'm not mocking AOC, I'm mocking your reaction to it. She was dealt a straight flush. Given that, are you surprised she won the pot? I don't begrudge AOC one bit for playing the hand she was dealt and playing it well.
yeah, I understood exactly what you were doing
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Post by: michigancat on July 24, 2020, 03:21:32 PM
Look at KU guy talking about how easy it is for victims to be the heroes, smdh.
Really, AOC should be thanking Yolo. Women who are called "rough ridin' Bitches" are being dealt straight flushes and should be grateful!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 24, 2020, 03:29:47 PM
Look at KU guy talking about how easy it is for victims to be the heroes, smdh.
Really, AOC should be thanking Yolo. Women who are called "rough ridin' Bitches" are being dealt straight flushes and should be grateful!
Agreed. Instead of going off the top rope on his fatass she should have been grateful. Instead, she made him look like a total clown
Post by: Katpappy on July 24, 2020, 04:15:22 PM
Post by: Spracne on July 24, 2020, 04:15:31 PM
Look at KU guy talking about how easy it is for victims to be the heroes, smdh.
Really, AOC should be thanking Yolo. Women who are called "rough ridin' Bitches" are being dealt straight flushes and should be grateful!
You must have a very quixotic view of politics (or, at least, certain politics). I view it as performance art.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 24, 2020, 04:21:33 PM
Stan Van Gundy (@realStanVG) >As an NBA coach I was always trying to find mismatches to exploit. AOC against Ted Yoho is as big a mismatch as I can imagine. Poor guy. Totally out of his league.
when SVG bodies you on twitter you gotta get out of town
Post by: michigancat on July 24, 2020, 04:53:27 PM
I view it as performance art.
Only the most maga of magas could not think that was outstanding performance art. Dickstone's wrestling analogy is a great one. She could have pinned him, shook his hand, and moved on, but instead she did a back flip from the top rope on his ass.
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Post by: sys on July 24, 2020, 07:02:24 PM
Really, AOC should be thanking Yolo. Women who are called "rough ridin' Bitches" are being dealt straight flushes and should be grateful!
if you think she was anything other than very happy to be publicly called a rough ridin' bitch by a republican colleague, you're crazy.
Post by: michigancat on July 24, 2020, 07:13:01 PM
Really, AOC should be thanking Yolo. Women who are called "rough ridin' Bitches" are being dealt straight flushes and should be grateful!
if you think she was anything other than very happy to be publicly called a rough ridin' bitch by a republican colleague, you're crazy.
Ok
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 24, 2020, 07:20:09 PM
Which one do you think is the worst?The socialistic view of trying to make everything free. Also, she said billionaires shouldn’t exist. Lol. Sorry they worked hard and made it.
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Post by: Trim on July 24, 2020, 08:17:10 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/508259-ocaasio-cortez-accosted-by-gop-lawmaker-over-remarks-that-kind-of
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Post by: Spracne on July 24, 2020, 08:59:08 PM
a million old men have called a million women bitches and it's never really backfired on them. now it does and everyone has excuses and poo-poo's about it. downgrades.
You're right, stevedave. I am pissed because now I can't go around calling women bitches anymore.
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Post by: Katpappy on July 24, 2020, 09:56:04 PM
I’d like to go on record as nvr having seen the speech. I’m sure it was awful and very self fulfilling like every other rant by a one sided politician.
AOC or Yoho's old man racist bullshit.
Post by: chum1 on July 25, 2020, 12:11:57 AM
she said billionaires shouldn’t exist. Lol. Sorry they worked hard and made it.
She wants to rip apart capitalism, so lazy people have the same opportunities.
Working hard and making money have very little to do with each other.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 25, 2020, 12:15:01 AM
But she gets ProgFacist Males all horned up, so that will carry her for a long time.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on July 25, 2020, 11:00:27 AM
Wackycat, spracne, dax, and kim carnes all harrumphing in unisonQuite the fab four.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on July 25, 2020, 11:34:17 AM
Tbt, why do you hate Spracs so much? You chase him around like Dax. He’s one of the cooler KU fans we know. Is it because he dunks on you constantly and you have no answer for it?
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1. Not true. I just like giving him a hard time, just like Dax.
2. Not true. About the only true dunking on this blog happens to you.
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Post by: Cire on July 25, 2020, 11:42:14 AM
Yes. The harder you work. The more billions you get.Which one do you think is the worst?The socialistic view of trying to make everything free. Also, she said billionaires shouldn’t exist. Lol. Sorry they worked hard and made it.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on July 25, 2020, 11:43:55 AM
They are the ones that pull the hardest on their bootstraps.Yes. The harder you work. The more billions you get.Which one do you think is the worst?The socialistic view of trying to make everything free. Also, she said billionaires shouldn’t exist. Lol. Sorry they worked hard and made it.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on July 25, 2020, 11:44:56 AM
:lol: Tapout noted. Go act like you care about the Corona somewhere else, while hopping on planes and giving a pass to mayor blue, because he thinks the way you do, puppet.I’m sorry I trigger you so hard. Welcome back, hopefully you can get the attention you need now.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on July 25, 2020, 11:51:12 AM
Lol. Speaking of attention needed. We must hear more about how badly you’re such of victim of “making too much $” and don’t know what to do with it. You know we laugh about your fake hustle posts? “I need to give back” posts, lol. You don’t do anything about it, you’re just craving attention that you make $ like the rest of us. ‘Grats!
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Post by: MakeItRain on July 26, 2020, 03:49:06 AM
Really, AOC should be thanking Yolo. Women who are called "rough ridin' Bitches" are being dealt straight flushes and should be grateful!
if you think she was anything other than very happy to be publicly called a rough ridin' bitch by a republican colleague, you're crazy.
woof
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 27, 2020, 02:16:29 PM
420seriouscat69, what are your thoughts on republicans wanting to lower the extended UE benefit from $600 a week to $800 a month?Sucks. I know a lot of people in our company are refusing to comeback, because they’re making more on furlough. That rule might encourage them to get back to work faster. I know that’s not everyone’s situation though, so we shall see what happens.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 27, 2020, 02:30:08 PM
420seriouscat69, what are your thoughts on republicans wanting to lower the extended UE benefit from $600 a week to $800 a month?Sucks. I know a lot of people in our company are refusing to comeback, because they’re making more on furlough. That rule might encourage them to get back to work faster. I know that’s not everyone’s situation though, so we shall see what happens.
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Post by: MakeItRain on July 27, 2020, 02:34:29 PM
420seriouscat69, what are your thoughts on republicans wanting to lower the extended UE benefit from $600 a week to $800 a month?Sucks. I know a lot of people in our company are refusing to comeback, because they’re making more on furlough. That rule might encourage them to get back to work faster. I know that’s not everyone’s situation though, so we shall see what happens.
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Isn't this what some Americans call socialism?
Post by: michigancat on July 27, 2020, 04:16:08 PM
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1287837340547899392
Post by: DQ12 on July 27, 2020, 04:23:42 PM
now HERE is a clickbait headlinelol
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1287837340547899392
Post by: kim carnes on July 27, 2020, 04:28:52 PM
Post by: Spracne on July 27, 2020, 04:52:10 PM
now HERE is a clickbait headline
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1287837340547899392
WTF? That isn't clickbait. Don't respond, I don't care, but a newspaper not giving away the content of an article in a tweet isn't clickbait. That's really rough ridin' stupid.
The click is important because clicking on that article gets them paid. Your obligation to receiving that information isn't actually paying for it but making a micro motion with your right index finger. If you don't want to call not wanting to actually read two sentences of an article to get the information you want lazy, that's fine, if it isn't lazy, it's definitely entitled.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 29, 2020, 07:37:16 AM
She’s a member of a party who losses their minds and immediately aligns itself with the Dick Cheney wing of politics anytime the current president attempts to end fighting over shitty piles of sand and rocks. Or tries to reduce US troops in a country that puts billions of dollars in Vlad Putin’s pockets every year.
Post by: LickNeckey on July 29, 2020, 08:33:16 AM
You won’t hear a word about the military industrial complex out of AOC when Biden gets elected.
She’s a member of a party who losses their minds and immediately aligns itself with the Dick Cheney wing of politics anytime the current president attempts to end fighting over shitty piles of sand and rocks. Or tries to reduce US troops in a country that puts billions of dollars in Vlad Putin’s pockets every year.
:horrorsurprise:
Post by: CHONGS on July 29, 2020, 11:38:08 AM
You won’t hear a word about the military industrial complex out of AOC when Biden gets elected.
She’s a member of a party who losses their minds and immediately aligns itself with the Dick Cheney wing of politics anytime the current president attempts to end fighting over shitty piles of sand and rocks. Or tries to reduce US troops in a country that puts billions of dollars in Vlad Putin’s pockets every year.
So this means you're voting for Tommy T then right? I don't see how you rationalize your above statement with voting for a member of a party who losses [sic] their minds trying to stop Our President from ending wars.
Tommy T fully supports Trump.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 29, 2020, 12:25:24 PM
You won’t hear a word about the military industrial complex out of AOC when Biden gets elected.
She’s a member of a party who losses their minds and immediately aligns itself with the Dick Cheney wing of politics anytime the current president attempts to end fighting over shitty piles of sand and rocks. Or tries to reduce US troops in a country that puts billions of dollars in Vlad Putin’s pockets every year.
So this means you're voting for Tommy T then right? I don't see how you rationalize your above statement with voting for a member of a party who losses [sic] their minds trying to stop Our President from ending wars.
Tommy T fully supports Trump.
Doug Jones is about as moderate as you'll find. Voters are not educated, and that goes for both sides. Jones as far as I can tell has emphasized caution, but to my knowledge hasn't lead a coalition of meltdowners against troop withdrawal.
I'm not voting for Tommy Tubberville.
Post by: Katpappy on July 29, 2020, 04:54:22 PM
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Post by: sys on August 15, 2020, 07:00:22 PM
Will Bernie?
surely he'll be dead by then.
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Post by: waks on August 21, 2020, 01:04:28 AM
Will she be old enough in 2024?She'll turn 35 in October of that year.
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Post by: steve dave on September 21, 2020, 09:06:35 PM
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1308155423690764289
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Post by: Katpappy on September 21, 2020, 10:45:44 PM
Body bag factory alarm sounds
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1308155423690764289
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This one is all over twitter today. I think if AOC would have left this alone it might have died on it's own.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 21, 2020, 10:49:34 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 02, 2020, 04:57:47 PM
https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1311800973862621184
Post by: sys on October 02, 2020, 05:04:08 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2020, 05:12:03 PM
That other tweet was presumably about Project Veritas releasing another fake video, this one targeting her. MAGA has been all over her this week, with the veritas video and her calling cheeto a racist on Tuesday night.
Post by: michigancat on October 02, 2020, 05:12:13 PM
3:51 yesterday was before the trump diagnosis existed, at least publicly.Yeah it definitely wasn't in reference to that tweet
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2020, 05:18:16 PM
Not even going to comment on that non-statement about the President, because I'm triggered. I'll just say that Biden handled it differently.
Is your non comment about Ilhan's statement? If so, what exactly were you expecting?
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Post by: sys on October 02, 2020, 05:25:22 PM
THE PARTY OF CIVILITY HAS OPINIONS
send her back!
Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2020, 05:33:43 PM
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Post by: steve dave on October 02, 2020, 05:42:29 PM
Nope. My opinion doesn't matter, and I should have known better than to even non-comment.Your opinion matters spracne. I’m fascinated by it actually.
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 02, 2020, 06:13:44 PM
Nope. My opinion doesn't matter, and I should have known better than to even non-comment.Your opinion matters spracne. I’m fascinated by it actually.
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Yeah me to
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Post by: DaBigTrain on October 03, 2020, 08:28:38 AM
Did spracs delete something?Yes
Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2020, 09:16:28 AM
It was something to the effect of "why can't we all be civil?" and "I'm sad that people are letting Trump bring them down to his level"Did spracs delete something?Yes
Post by: Cire on October 03, 2020, 09:41:18 AM
Live in joco and there’s lots of similar opinionsNope. My opinion doesn't matter, and I should have known better than to even non-comment.Your opinion matters spracne. I’m fascinated by it actually.
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Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2020, 09:44:47 AM
Live in joco and there’s lots of similar opinionsNope. My opinion doesn't matter, and I should have known better than to even non-comment.Your opinion matters spracne. I’m fascinated by it actually.
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yeah I know a lot of "Christians" who talk like that but they usually avoid mentioning Trump specifically
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Post by: michigancat on October 03, 2020, 11:32:58 AM
Katie Porter is growing on me, I think she could be a really good candidate.I didn't realize she was from orange county and defeated a republican incumbent until just now when I looked it up. Pretty impressive!
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Post by: Kat Kid on October 03, 2020, 11:51:26 AM
Is actually an Obama-Romney-Clinton district. Pretty wild.
There are parts of the inland empire that are still red, but even Riverside has a Dem Rep! (the 41st)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California%27s_congressional_districts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California%27s_congressional_districts)
Post by: steve dave on October 03, 2020, 12:45:01 PM
Post by: Spracne on October 03, 2020, 01:00:42 PM
It was something to the effect of "why can't we all be civil?" and "I'm sad that people are letting Trump bring them down to his level"Did spracs delete something?Yes
It was also low-key a quote from the Green Mile(TM).
Post by: bucket on October 03, 2020, 01:03:33 PM
https://twitter.com/RationalDis/status/1312379578401402883
Wrong thread
Post by: MakeItRain on October 03, 2020, 01:05:46 PM
Katie Porter is growing on me, I think she could be a really good candidate.
She's a stupid rough ridin' dumb stank bitch nazi pandering to other idiot nazis.
Post by: steve dave on October 03, 2020, 02:48:03 PM
No it’s nothttps://twitter.com/RationalDis/status/1312379578401402883
Wrong thread
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Post by: Katpappy on October 03, 2020, 04:12:03 PM
https://twitter.com/RationalDis/status/1312379578401402883
What a rough ridin' hypocritical bitch. Like they say; when the shoe is on the other foot.
Post by: sys on October 03, 2020, 04:56:01 PM
Her first step should be taking Feinstein's seat when she dies.
there will be an election to replace harris pretty soon. i would enjoy the opportunity to vote against porter.
Post by: sys on October 03, 2020, 07:37:11 PM
https://twitter.com/ne0liberal/status/1312535366113525762
Post by: Woogy on October 05, 2020, 08:46:41 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 05, 2020, 09:36:46 AM
Mods pls move if this is the wrong thread.This is the correct thread but we should update the title to include the popeQuoteFrancis wrote. “Anyone who thinks that the only lesson to be learned was the need to improve what we were already doing, or to refine existing systems and regulations, is denying reality.”
POLITICO: Pope: Market capitalism has failed in pandemic, needs reform.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/04/pope-capitalism-pandemic-failed-425993
Post by: Phil Titola on October 05, 2020, 10:08:32 AM
Post by: sys on October 11, 2020, 11:50:51 PM
Post by: Cire on October 12, 2020, 09:30:27 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 12, 2020, 09:45:22 AM
Trump and his MAGA cult remind me of the middle school bully. Push everybody around the in the hallway for 3 years and then gets pushed back once and feigns disgust that people aren't being civil.
Nothing tops BidenVoter Nation meltdown.
Of late featuring the "change the laws/rules/constitution" component whenever they don't get their way.
Post by: sys on October 19, 2020, 09:55:57 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 19, 2020, 10:00:19 PM
Global Pandemic, man
Post by: Katpappy on October 19, 2020, 10:38:34 PM
https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1318383939740930048
This graph shows why farmers disliked the Obuma/Biden with Hilldog administration.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 19, 2020, 11:30:54 PM
https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1318383939740930048
This graph shows why farmers disliked the Obuma/Biden with Hilldog administration.
You know in 2013 he had been president for 5 years, right?
Post by: Cire on October 20, 2020, 06:14:42 AM
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Post by: steve dave on October 20, 2020, 07:44:24 AM
Farmers weren’t getting their socialism under obummer
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he had them pulling themselves up by their irl boot straps
Post by: Kat Kid on October 20, 2020, 08:06:28 AM
Katie Porter is growing on me, I think she could be a really good candidate.
She's a stupid rough ridin' dumb stank bitch nazi pandering to other idiot nazis.
why do you not like her? I am vaguely aware of her.
Post by: Kat Kid on October 20, 2020, 08:07:03 AM
Her first step should be taking Feinstein's seat when she dies.
there will be an election to replace harris pretty soon. i would enjoy the opportunity to vote against porter.
why do you not like her?
Post by: 8manpick on October 20, 2020, 08:09:58 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 20, 2020, 09:27:55 AM
Post by: wetwillie on October 20, 2020, 09:51:18 AM
Post by: waks on October 20, 2020, 12:00:41 PM
Incredible!When exactly did that pandemic start, Dax? :confused:
Global Pandemic, man
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 20, 2020, 01:27:56 PM
https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1318383939740930048
That's what I call government sponsored wealth redistribution
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 20, 2020, 01:59:36 PM
Post by: sys on October 20, 2020, 04:14:04 PM
why do you not like her?
i don't like her anti-corporate, populist give me a whiteboard and a tv camera grandstanding. also, she supported warren.
someone on twitter pointed out to me that despite her rhetoric, her voting record is much more moderate. she's only been there a couple of years, so that might be an artifact of a small sample of cross-motivating bills, but assuming it's real, i dunno if that makes it better or worse.
Post by: bucket on October 20, 2020, 06:01:39 PM
why do you not like her?
i don't like her anti-corporate, populist give me a whiteboard and a tv camera grandstanding.
In all seriousness, this is very necessary in this day and age.
Post by: michigancat on October 20, 2020, 06:02:58 PM
Sys, which do you view more favorably: populists or cops?why do you not like her?
i don't like her anti-corporate, populist give me a whiteboard and a tv camera grandstanding. also, she supported warren.
someone on twitter pointed out to me that despite her rhetoric, her voting record is much more moderate. she's only been there a couple of years, so that might be an artifact of a small sample of cross-motivating bills, but assuming it's real, i dunno if that makes it better or worse.
Post by: sys on October 20, 2020, 07:11:58 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 20, 2020, 07:59:49 PM
Katie Porter is growing on me, I think she could be a really good candidate.
She's a stupid rough ridin' dumb stank bitch nazi pandering to other idiot nazis.
why do you not like her? I am vaguely aware of her.
I know very little about her. Yes rusty is right, I was mocking a completely unnecessary and unhinged rant from sys because she had the temerity to ask questions of a pharma rep testifying to a committee she served on. The stupid idiot had the nerve to ask the question in a way most Americans who could understand. The nerve, right?
Post by: sys on October 20, 2020, 08:19:27 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 21, 2020, 08:48:28 AM
Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2020, 11:25:49 AM
This is the correct thread but we should update the title to include the pope
look at this pope with his wild socialist agenda
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1318917841404497923
Post by: passranch on October 21, 2020, 12:04:36 PM
Post by: kim carnes on October 21, 2020, 12:06:53 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on October 21, 2020, 12:20:14 PM
He’s clinging to whatever he can to keep religion relevant with younger generations.
Pretty much, he's been trying to modernize the church his entire term. I am pretty pro Francis fwiw.
This is the correct thread but we should update the title to include the pope
look at this pope with his wild socialist agenda
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1318917841404497923
That is about as far a guy like him in his position can go. Realistically it's the logical conclusion to trying to remove the church from absolutely vilifying homosexuals since Paul stepped up and filled in gaps where Jesus said nothing about 2000 years ago.
Post by: Katpappy on October 21, 2020, 12:22:58 PM
Post by: CHONGS on October 22, 2020, 07:54:51 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on October 22, 2020, 08:01:27 PM
Post by: steve dave on November 19, 2020, 06:20:46 PM
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1329555684980121602
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Post by: Trim on November 19, 2020, 07:25:18 PM
Post by: kim carnes on November 19, 2020, 08:13:27 PM
She has an unlimited supply of body bags apparently
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1329555684980121602
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Pretty sure corporations would benefit from a stimulus package so that doesn’t make any sense
Post by: sys on November 19, 2020, 08:59:42 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 19, 2020, 09:46:44 PM
She has an unlimited supply of body bags apparently
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1329555684980121602
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Pretty sure corporations would benefit from a stimulus package so that doesn’t make any sense
Do you and sys seriously not know the difference between a stimulus helping out corporations by giving consumers more buying power, and handing Morgan Stanley $65 Billion? One third of $6 Trillion stimulus went directly to Wall Street banks. Did y'all not know that or do you not know the difference between Goldman Sachs and Boeing?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 19, 2020, 09:59:00 PM
Article's title is p great. I thought Omar's margin within her district really lagged behind Biden tho.QuoteSocialists must be under no illusions that liberal sections of these center-left political parties would like to destroy them. On a post-election conference call in the United States, former CIA agent and current congresswoman Abigail Spanberger even demanded that the Democrats never say the word “socialism” ever again.
This is a blatant attempt to rewrite history. As Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez pointed out recently in a scathing interview, progressives were central to Biden’s victory. Their grassroots organizing efforts helped to produce record turnouts across the country. This was particularly the case in swing states like Minnesota — where the Washington Post covered Rep. Ilhan Omar’s efforts in the weeks leading up to election day.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/11/extreme-center-war-on-the-left-socialism-organize-us-uk
It did, by about 20%
Post by: sys on November 19, 2020, 11:09:31 PM
Do you and sys seriously not know the difference between a stimulus helping out corporations by giving consumers more buying power, and handing Morgan Stanley $65 Billion? One third of $6 Trillion stimulus went directly to Wall Street banks. Did y'all not know that or do you not know the difference between Goldman Sachs and Boeing?
1) please don't include me in a response to another poster's comment that had nothing to do with what i said.
2) don't interepret the above to mean that i agree with the accuracy of anything you stated above. god alone knows what you're talking about (the federal reserve backstop of corporate debt?). whatever, don't know, don't care.
Post by: sys on November 19, 2020, 11:40:45 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/business/steven-mnuchin-federal-reserve-cares-act/index.html
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 20, 2020, 09:31:02 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 20, 2020, 09:56:34 AM
Post by: sys on November 20, 2020, 05:19:21 PM
Did AOC propose undoing the emergency funding apparatus?
of course not, she just tweets misleading nonsense whining about money going to corporations without specifying her objections.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 21, 2020, 12:04:12 AM
Did AOC propose undoing the emergency funding apparatus?
of course not, she just tweets misleading nonsense whining about money going to corporations without specifying her objections.
You took exception to me lumping you in with kim carnes but you did the same thing he did, she didn't whine about money going to corporations, she quite clearly said "wall street." I'll ask again, she clearly knows the difference between Wall Street banks and corporations, do you? I don't see any recent mentions of money going to corporations on her feed, I'm sure you'll find something a couple of hundred tweets ago though.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2020, 12:08:19 AM
Post by: sys on November 21, 2020, 06:27:33 AM
You took exception to me lumping you in with kim carnes but you did the same thing he did, she didn't whine about money going to corporations, she quite clearly said "wall street." I'll ask again, she clearly knows the difference between Wall Street banks and corporations, do you? I don't see any recent mentions of money going to corporations on her feed, I'm sure you'll find something a couple of hundred tweets ago though.
fine. banks, a subset of corporations.
Post by: sys on November 21, 2020, 06:45:27 AM
Also, she voted for the original stimulus. She's shaming Mitch and the pubs not voting on a new one with those tweets and her speech today. It's only confusing/misleading if you want it to be.
in that tweet, she says that new relief should not include any money for banks, which is a criticism that the cares act included some measures that benefited large financial firms (and the american/world economy).
when i say misleading i do not mean confusing, i mean that her intention is to mislead readers of the tweet. she wants to be seen as railing against wall street, a populist position many of her supporters endorse, when the cares act provided no money directly to sifi institutions and only provided ancillary benefits as a product of introducing important safeguards (and as intermediaries for the loans programs).
if she's not talking out of both sides of her mouth and actually does want to remove those safeguards, please show me her tweet cheerleading the trump admin's move to deprive the biden administration of them.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2020, 08:26:27 AM
Also, she voted for the original stimulus. She's shaming Mitch and the pubs not voting on a new one with those tweets and her speech today. It's only confusing/misleading if you want it to be.
in that tweet, she says that new relief should not include any money for banks, which is a criticism that the cares act included some measures that benefited large financial firms (and the american/world economy).
when i say misleading i do not mean confusing, i mean that her intention is to mislead readers of the tweet. she wants to be seen as railing against wall street, a populist position many of her supporters endorse, when the cares act provided no money directly to sifi institutions and only provided ancillary benefits as a product of introducing important safeguards (and as intermediaries for the loans programs).
if she's not talking out of both sides of her mouth and actually does want to remove those safeguards, please show me her tweet cheerleading the trump admin's move to deprive the biden administration of them.
Like I said...
Post by: MakeItRain on November 21, 2020, 10:16:06 PM
You took exception to me lumping you in with kim carnes but you did the same thing he did, she didn't whine about money going to corporations, she quite clearly said "wall street." I'll ask again, she clearly knows the difference between Wall Street banks and corporations, do you? I don't see any recent mentions of money going to corporations on her feed, I'm sure you'll find something a couple of hundred tweets ago though.
fine. banks, a subset of corporations.
There's a very clear distinction there.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 27, 2020, 08:28:18 PM
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2020, 11:44:02 AM
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2020, 11:44:57 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2020, 11:50:48 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2020, 03:46:01 PM
Not a new take, sexualization when (sometimes) talking about AOC is kinda weird in its overtness.
Definitely, I don't get it either, it's not like she's the only young legislator on capital hill.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 29, 2020, 04:31:52 PM
https://twitter.com/NeverSociaIism/status/1332916294811852800
That timeline is just bonkers.
Although I did learn that onlyfans is a socialist funding scheme.
Post by: sys on November 29, 2020, 06:25:20 PM
Not a new take, sexualization when (sometimes) talking about AOC is kinda weird in its overtness.
Definitely, I don't get it either, it's not like she's the only young legislator on capital hill.
afaik, she is the only one that is extremely attractive.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 29, 2020, 06:41:32 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2020, 09:46:55 PM
Not a new take, sexualization when (sometimes) talking about AOC is kinda weird in its overtness.
Definitely, I don't get it either, it's not like she's the only young legislator on capital hill.
afaik, she is the only one that is extremely attractive.
We're venturing into creepy territory but I'd think a lot of the people who sexualize AOC would find Tulsi, Elise Stefanik, Krysten Sinema, Jaime Beutler, Kathy Rogers, and Kansas' own Lynn Jenkins attractive. I think it goes beyond attraction, she is being fetishized.
Post by: Kat Kid on November 29, 2020, 10:15:25 PM
Post by: catastrophe on November 30, 2020, 09:00:08 AM
https://twitter.com/NeverSociaIism/status/1332916294811852800I’m positive this scene is straight out of a Ted Cruz fantasy.
Mike Pence if the person with the whip was Trump.
Post by: MadCat on November 30, 2020, 09:03:37 AM
Post by: waks on November 30, 2020, 10:55:40 AM
No love for Illhan?Not a new take, sexualization when (sometimes) talking about AOC is kinda weird in its overtness.
Definitely, I don't get it either, it's not like she's the only young legislator on capital hill.
afaik, she is the only one that is extremely attractive.
We're venturing into creepy territory but I'd think a lot of the people who sexualize AOC would find Tulsi, Elise Stefanik, Krysten Sinema, Jaime Beutler, Kathy Rogers, and Kansas' own Lynn Jenkins attractive.
Post by: kim carnes on November 30, 2020, 11:47:03 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 30, 2020, 12:38:30 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on November 30, 2020, 12:55:18 PM
Sinema is my hottie in congress pick :Carl:
I'm all about Katie Porter. She reminds me of my second grade teacher.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 30, 2020, 01:59:46 PM
No love for Illhan?Not a new take, sexualization when (sometimes) talking about AOC is kinda weird in its overtness.
Definitely, I don't get it either, it's not like she's the only young legislator on capital hill.
afaik, she is the only one that is extremely attractive.
We're venturing into creepy territory but I'd think a lot of the people who sexualize AOC would find Tulsi, Elise Stefanik, Krysten Sinema, Jaime Beutler, Kathy Rogers, and Kansas' own Lynn Jenkins attractive.
For the white conservatives who fetishize AOC, nah. I think she's pretty though.
Post by: Kat Kid on November 30, 2020, 09:07:16 PM
Post by: kim carnes on November 30, 2020, 10:19:19 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2020, 03:55:49 AM
I’m not going to tiptoe around this, Ilhan is the belle of the ball.
Have you seen her husband? Shoot your shot.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 01, 2020, 08:49:26 AM
“I guess she put the dagger stare on me,” Manchin said in an interview published Tuesday. He added: “I don’t know the young lady — I really don’t. I never met her. I’m understanding she’s not that active with her bills or in committee. She’s more active on Twitter than anything else.”
Joe Manchin
Post by: LickNeckey on December 01, 2020, 09:12:00 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 01, 2020, 09:13:58 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 01, 2020, 09:17:36 AM
apparently preparing to be president
lol that's great
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2020, 11:04:05 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 01, 2020, 11:11:26 AM
Post by: sys on December 17, 2020, 11:30:52 PM
Post by: Justwin on December 18, 2020, 09:06:33 AM
Quote
Rep. Kathleen Rice has captured a prized seat on the House Energy and Commerce Committee after a contentious showdown with fellow New Yorker, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
Rice and Ocasio-Cortez have been battling behind the scenes for weeks to secure one of the few open seats on the exclusive committee, which oversees everything from health care policy to climate issues. Tensions spilled into the open Thursday in a private meeting of the Steering and Policy Committee, where Democrats were forced to choose between the two members in a tense — and awkward — secret ballot vote.
Rice ultimately won in a lopsided vote of 46-13, though it wasn’t without some drama after some moderate Democrats openly criticized Ocasio-Cortez.
"I'm taking into account who works against other members in primaries and who doesn't,” Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas) said on the call, according to multiple sources. Cuellar successfully fended off a primary challenge from Jessica Cisneros, who Ocasio-Cortez supported.
Progressives both inside and outside of the Capitol said it would be critical to have Ocasio-Cortez on the Energy and Commerce Committee to help influence critical policies in the early days of the Biden administration.
But some senior Democrats, including on the Energy and Commerce panel, had privately voiced concerns about Ocasio-Cortez landing the seat. Some feared that the firebrand Democrat, who backs progressive priorities like the "Green New Deal" and "Medicare for All," could cause issues as Congress attempts to draft bipartisan health and climate policies next year.
Post by: Kat Kid on December 18, 2020, 09:17:27 AM
Post by: 8manpick on December 18, 2020, 09:55:15 AM
Post by: Trim on December 18, 2020, 09:56:27 AM
Was there any lingering doubt that Joe Biden and the mod squad controls all the levers of power? I was pretty sure that was the case already, but for those wondering I think they can stop wondering.
I like how this could've been posted verbatim by steve dave but triumphantly and happily.
Post by: 8manpick on December 18, 2020, 09:57:44 AM
Yes, my image of Kat Kid saying it was the human version of EeyoreWas there any lingering doubt that Joe Biden and the mod squad controls all the levers of power? I was pretty sure that was the case already, but for those wondering I think they can stop wondering.
I like how this could've been posted verbatim by steve dave but triumphantly and happily.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 18, 2020, 06:19:42 PM
"I'm taking into account who works against other members in primaries and who doesn't,” Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas) said on the call, according to multiple sources. Cuellar successfully fended off a primary challenge from Jessica Cisneros, who Ocasio-Cortez supported.
Credit to the dems who are confident enough to openly admit they aren't really interested in influencing policy, they still have placed their highest priority on grabbing and keeping power.
Post by: sys on December 18, 2020, 06:47:51 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 18, 2020, 07:35:22 PM
Post by: waks on December 19, 2020, 01:22:52 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on December 19, 2020, 10:02:35 AM
progressives acting outraged that congresspersons aren't delighted with a colleague openly trying to oust them from their seats is delightful.I hate Cuellar, but I’m not surprised he is exercising his power to punish AOC, not sure why anyone else is.
Post by: sys on December 19, 2020, 04:05:59 PM
I hate Cuellar, but I’m not surprised he is exercising his power to punish AOC, not sure why anyone else is.
i imagine that they agree with him that it's bad to work against members of your own.
maybe worth noting that the swing right in south texas probably strengthens cuellar's hand since it seems like there would have been a decent chance dems would have lost that seat if cisneros had defeated cuellar in the primary.
Post by: Kat Kid on December 19, 2020, 05:19:30 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201219/dff7ffbacfde45ad6c251da7c7b78600.jpg)I hate Cuellar, but I’m not surprised he is exercising his power to punish AOC, not sure why anyone else is.
i imagine that they agree with him that it's bad to work against members of your own.
maybe worth noting that the swing right in south texas probably strengthens cuellar's hand since it seems like there would have been a decent chance dems would have lost that seat if cisneros had defeated cuellar in the primary.
I think you are confused about which border counties went for trump, because Cuellar’s district race was not close and his district is pretty dang blue. I attached a map of the border counties in his district based on presidential race results.
Also, I was saying I’m not surprised there is a move to try to punish AOC and im confused why anyone else is surprised.
Post by: Spracne on December 19, 2020, 05:50:03 PM
Post by: sys on December 19, 2020, 05:55:23 PM
cuellar won his district 58.3-39.0; biden won cuellar's 51.5-47.3. cuellar overperformed biden by quite a bit more than any other texas congressperson in a majority mexican-american district did. if you look how other texas congressional races went, a non-incumbent, progressive candidate underperforming biden by four would not have been exceptional.
Post by: michigancat on December 19, 2020, 06:00:21 PM
I know Jessica Cisneros very well. Was shocked she ran for Congress, but wanted her to win for the political favors.
what would be your first three favors
Post by: sys on December 19, 2020, 06:12:00 PM
tx 10 (siegel): 45.4-52.5, biden 48.3-50.0; underperformed biden by 5.4
tx 24 (valenzuela): 47.5-48.8, biden 51.9-46.5; underperformed biden by 6.7
tx 25 (oliver): 42.1-55.9, biden 44.4-53.9; underperformed biden by 4.3
tx 31 (imam): 44.3-53.5, biden 47.5-50.4; underperformed biden by 6.3
Post by: Spracne on December 19, 2020, 06:37:04 PM
I know Jessica Cisneros very well. Was shocked she ran for Congress, but wanted her to win for the political favors.
what would be your first three flavors
Mango, lime, and my favorite--cherry red.
Post by: wetwillie on December 19, 2020, 06:41:09 PM
I know Jessica Cisneros very well. Was shocked she ran for Congress, but wanted her to win for the political favors.
Biblically I assume
Post by: michigancat on December 19, 2020, 06:42:12 PM
I know Jessica Cisneros very well. Was shocked she ran for Congress, but wanted her to win for the political favors.
what would be your first three flavors
Mango, lime, and my favorite--cherry red.
next question, what can you provide in return
Post by: Spracne on December 19, 2020, 06:48:37 PM
I know Jessica Cisneros very well. Was shocked she ran for Congress, but wanted her to win for the political favors.
what would be your first three flavors
Mango, lime, and my favorite--cherry red.
next question, what can you provide in return
Compliments. I could compliment her teeth. She recently got her braces removed, which she was excited about.
Post by: CHONGS on December 19, 2020, 07:03:36 PM
Post by: Spracne on December 19, 2020, 07:05:19 PM
Is she part of the Cisneros Crime Family?I doubt it, as she grew up quite poor.
Post by: Kat Kid on December 19, 2020, 09:06:27 PM
there are a lot of variables to consider, and ideology is just one. but if we look at how some of the other texas candidates most similar to cisneros in ideology fared:
tx 10 (siegel): 45.4-52.5, biden 48.3-50.0; underperformed biden by 5.4
tx 24 (valenzuela): 47.5-48.8, biden 51.9-46.5; underperformed biden by 6.7
tx 25 (oliver): 42.1-55.9, biden 44.4-53.9; underperformed biden by 4.3
tx 31 (imam): 44.3-53.5, biden 47.5-50.4; underperformed biden by 6.3
thats fine as far as it goes, I don't think Cisneros runs 20 points worse than Cuellar but who knows. Cuellar hopefully gets primaried and we can find out.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 19, 2020, 09:30:12 PM
progressives acting outraged that congresspersons aren't delighted with a colleague openly trying to oust them from their seats is delightful.I hate Cuellar, but I’m not surprised he is exercising his power to punish AOC, not sure why anyone else is.
I don't think a single person in the world is surprised, it's modus operandi.
Post by: 8manpick on December 28, 2020, 08:52:07 AM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 28, 2020, 10:36:00 AM
I dunno why I just caught up to this thread, but I always find it funny when I catch myself repeating the same phrase over a short timeframe. MIR is a big fan of modus operandi lately. No shame, just :DI will latch onto a new phrase from time to time and then I wonder if my family and friends think that there is something more weird than usual going on with me because I'm suddenly using a new piece of lingo ad nauseam.
Post by: Tobias on December 28, 2020, 10:38:10 AM
Post by: steve dave on December 28, 2020, 10:38:35 AM
stromboliSo hot
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Post by: MakeItRain on December 28, 2020, 11:25:38 AM
I dunno why I just caught up to this thread, but I always find it funny when I catch myself repeating the same phrase over a short timeframe. MIR is a big fan of modus operandi lately. No shame, just :D
:facepalm: great, I'm message boarding like dax
Post by: Kat Kid on December 29, 2020, 08:40:44 PM
Post by: catastrophe on December 29, 2020, 10:14:11 PM
Post by: sys on January 10, 2021, 03:11:15 PM
https://twitter.com/jacobinmag/status/1347905974686908417
Post by: Kat Kid on January 10, 2021, 03:29:39 PM
Post by: sys on January 10, 2021, 04:12:41 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on January 10, 2021, 05:55:30 PM
katkid, you just proposed executing all of our living ex-presidents on the national mall.Well, the dead ones are already dead.
Post by: michigancat on January 10, 2021, 06:33:16 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on January 10, 2021, 06:40:58 PM
to be fair, I think KK was willing to give them a trial before executing them on the mallThe world should hear their crimes before their punishment.
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Post by: Kat Kid on January 10, 2021, 06:47:25 PM
So I am being a bit ridiculous in one sense, but I do hope for a future United States that can unmake its empire before others do it for us.
Post by: catastrophe on January 10, 2021, 06:53:59 PM
I fully understand that we live in a world that would never allow for justice to knock at the doors of our most powerful people, nor do the majority of Americans even care about the horrors that our empire has visited upon the world. Hell, most won’t even complain about the boot on our own necks so why would I expect that we would stand up for others?Under your utopia, would you accept the presidency if offered?
So I am being a bit ridiculous in one sense, but I do hope for a future United States that can unmake its empire before others do it for us.
Post by: Kat Kid on January 10, 2021, 07:55:39 PM
I fully understand that we live in a world that would never allow for justice to knock at the doors of our most powerful people, nor do the majority of Americans even care about the horrors that our empire has visited upon the world. Hell, most won’t even complain about the boot on our own necks so why would I expect that we would stand up for others?Under your utopia, would you accept the presidency if offered?
So I am being a bit ridiculous in one sense, but I do hope for a future United States that can unmake its empire before others do it for us.
I think anyone that genuinely wants to be president should not be.
Post by: catastrophe on January 10, 2021, 09:14:31 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on January 10, 2021, 09:19:26 PM
Post by: passranch on January 11, 2021, 11:00:11 AM
“The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”
? Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
Post by: michigancat on January 11, 2021, 11:08:42 AM
https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1348650926446403591
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1348650281458933760
Post by: 8manpick on January 11, 2021, 11:27:34 AM
Found the Douglas Adams fan in the thread::love:
“The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”
? Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
Post by: Woogy on January 11, 2021, 01:15:06 PM
Found the Douglas Adams fan in the thread::love:
“The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”
? Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
To be sure, Zaphod is certainly more Joe Biden than Donald Trump.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 11, 2021, 05:29:51 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on January 11, 2021, 05:46:48 PM
This is the kind of Reichstag fire event that a Hitlerian entity like AOC can really get behind.Hitler? More like Hotler.
Post by: sys on January 20, 2021, 06:48:26 AM
https://twitter.com/ne0liberal/status/1351703325612367872
Post by: MakeItRain on January 20, 2021, 09:13:05 AM
true.
https://twitter.com/ne0liberal/status/1351703325612367872
That's rough ridin' stupid, really stupid, and ironically enough, very daxian to post it.
Post by: Kat Kid on January 20, 2021, 06:48:26 PM
Post by: sys on January 20, 2021, 08:38:37 PM
The part about Q that is true is that lots of rich/powerful people are sickos.
both the far left and the far right attract low social trust individuals.
Post by: chum1 on January 20, 2021, 08:44:53 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeElk/status/1352081291521490945
Post by: michigancat on January 20, 2021, 09:25:54 PM
The part about Q that is true is that lots of rich/powerful people are sickos.
both the far left and the far right attract low social trust individuals.
*Low social trust socialists*
Post by: MakeItRain on January 20, 2021, 09:29:12 PM
The part about Q that is true is that lots of rich/powerful people are sickos.
both the far left and the far right attract low social trust individuals.
Right. Low trust in the presented institutions, that's the point. Just as you can say that left and right moderates are comfortable with a society that places merit on inequity. Both observations are equally banal.
Post by: michigancat on January 20, 2021, 09:31:38 PM
Post by: sys on January 20, 2021, 09:35:46 PM
The part about Q that is true is that lots of rich/powerful people are sickos.
both the far left and the far right attract low social trust individuals.
*Low social trust socialists*
you should ask kk how he reconciles that. i'm curious as well.
Post by: Kat Kid on January 20, 2021, 10:20:38 PM
Does criticizing powerful people for doing bad stuff mean "low social trust"?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 20, 2021, 10:53:30 PM
I don't know what "low social trust" means.
Does criticizing powerful people for doing bad stuff mean "low social trust"?
It's actually a thing, sort of
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A low trust society is defined as one in which interpersonal trust is relatively low, and which do not have shared ethical values.I can only assume sys' insistence on applying this to the political spectrum is a very basic way of saying these people have low trust in people and institutions that have proven not to be trustworthy. Your definition works as well.
Post by: sys on January 20, 2021, 11:00:37 PM
a very basic way of saying these people have low trust in people and institutions.
correct.
Post by: Kat Kid on January 20, 2021, 11:14:08 PM
Post by: sys on January 20, 2021, 11:26:01 PM
I don't really think that I distrust people.
out of all active goEMAW posters, you and dax are the only two i can imagine proposing to execute former presidents on the national mall.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 20, 2021, 11:50:04 PM
I don't really think that I distrust people, I think people are not cynical enough about institutions and the people that have power in our political system. But I think this is a weird criticism as one of the main things that many moderates and libs were making about Bernie/Jacobin left was that they were trying to appeal to people that DNC types thought were not worth talking to. Meanwhile much of the mainstream democratic party talking heads and electorate was saying that most of America is irredeemably racist and thus we should cut social services to Alabama et. al.
Yep
Post by: sys on January 21, 2021, 12:01:26 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on January 21, 2021, 12:17:35 AM
I don't really think that I distrust people.
out of all active goEMAW posters, you and dax are the only two i can imagine proposing to execute former presidents on the national mall.
The fact that no one cares that every US President in my lifetime has committed unconscionable war crimes is more an indictment of their politics, not mine.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 21, 2021, 02:08:22 AM
https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1352123688418611202
Is there anything more MAGA and far right than assigning anarchists as the political left? sys might be the closest thing to rand paul on this board.
https://twitter.com/BarbaraDoduk/status/1352158799474278400
Post by: Trim on January 21, 2021, 01:41:37 PM
https://twitter.com/KOINNews/status/1352139179778478082
Post by: LickNeckey on January 21, 2021, 01:45:31 PM
Post by: DQ12 on January 21, 2021, 02:02:39 PM
I always thought anarchists were the polar political left, while fascists were the polar political right.https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1352123688418611202
Is there anything more MAGA and far right than assigning anarchists as the political left? sys might be the closest thing to rand paul on this board.
https://twitter.com/BarbaraDoduk/status/1352158799474278400
Post by: steve dave on January 21, 2021, 02:05:19 PM
Post by: catastrophe on January 21, 2021, 02:06:23 PM
So you’re thinking just to the left of people who want government to pay for food, education, and healthcare for all is a group who wants no government?I always thought anarchists were the polar political left, while fascists were the polar political right.https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1352123688418611202
Is there anything more MAGA and far right than assigning anarchists as the political left? sys might be the closest thing to rand paul on this board.
https://twitter.com/BarbaraDoduk/status/1352158799474278400
Post by: steve dave on January 21, 2021, 02:10:49 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Political_Compass_yellow_LibRight.svg/1200px-Political_Compass_yellow_LibRight.svg.png)
Post by: catastrophe on January 21, 2021, 02:15:27 PM
Post by: DQ12 on January 21, 2021, 02:17:24 PM
I'm not and I don't think dlew is but will let him answer for himself. Think of it as a box. we have a fun thread about it from simpler times.Yeah. This problem also arises when fascists tendencies get applied to the "Right" -- a group which tends to call for less government. A lot gets lost if you're operating a right/left line spectrum -- e.g. where do you place fascists on that line/where do you place anarchists on the line?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 21, 2021, 02:54:06 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 21, 2021, 05:47:34 PM
I'm not and I don't think dlew is but will let him answer for himself. Think of it as a box. we have a fun thread about it from simpler times.Yeah. This problem also arises when fascists tendencies get applied to the "Right" -- a group which tends to call for less government. A lot gets lost if you're operating a right/left line spectrum -- e.g. where do you place fascists on that line/where do you place anarchists on the line?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Political_Compass_yellow_LibRight.svg/1200px-Political_Compass_yellow_LibRight.svg.png)
So sys really should be the one who answers your question, because I think you and I and frankly most people agree with this. You can't put someone who doesn't believe in government on a political spectrum, it makes no sense. Only a dunce would favorably compare someone who wants to abolish all governmental institutions with someone who thinks the role of a government in a democracy is to take care of it's citizens. Same thing with the political right, you can't compare someone who professes to be a devout constitutionalist with someone who believes in dictatorial power.
A bit of a detour but this is what made trumpism dangerous, his most devout followers definitely seemed to be willing to crap on the constitution to allow a demagogue to do whatever the hell he wanted to do.
Post by: michigancat on January 23, 2021, 12:36:24 PM
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1352767726117408769
Post by: dal9 on January 23, 2021, 06:11:46 PM
some of u might be confusing "antifa" and anarchists...of course "antifa" is not a well-defined thing, but both anarchists and communists have identified as "antifa" (as have other groups)
Post by: dal9 on January 23, 2021, 06:13:54 PM
:lol:
https://twitter.com/KOINNews/status/1352139179778478082
serious question, how many of these are dudes?
Post by: sys on January 23, 2021, 06:25:10 PM
Post by: wetwillie on January 23, 2021, 06:42:08 PM
Post by: Trim on January 24, 2021, 03:12:24 PM
:lol:
https://twitter.com/KOINNews/status/1352139179778478082
serious question, how many of these are dudes?
The caption to the pic in the article says:
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Booking photos from Jan. 20, 2021, of (clockwise, starting upper left) Nicole Aria Rose, Austin N. Nuchraska, Jean V. Paris, Kaiave Douvia, Darrell A. Kimberlin, Davis Alan Beeman, Alyssa Hartley Davis and Kyle Romstad. (Multnomah County Sheriff's Office)
and there's this later in the article.
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Officially charged
Thursday, Multnomah County DA filed criminal charges in 4 of the 14 cases, noting the other 10 remain under investigation.
Trevor Colter is charge with one count each of riot, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct for actions at the ICE facility. Authorities said he threw something at officers, then resisted being taken into custody. They said they found him with a large knife, ballistic vest, bear mace, gas mask, collapsible baton, wire pull smoke device and three aerial fireworks.
Austin Nuchraska is charged with one count each of riot, =unlawful possession of a destructive device and criminal mischief for actions at the Democratic Headquarters in NE Portland. Court documents said that after he was arrested, police found 4 individual Molotov cocktails leaking gasoline.
Kai-Ave Douvia is charged with one count each of riot and criminal mischief near the Democratic Headquarters. Douvia is accused of using a metal pry bar to break at least one window.
Nicole Rose is charged with one count each of riot and criminal mischief near the Democratic Headquarters for allegedly using a baton to break at least one window.
You'll have to take it from there if you're needing a complete serious answer. I'd been going with that it was a MCR cover band and some fans.
Post by: Trim on January 24, 2021, 03:13:28 PM
Post by: sys on January 24, 2021, 03:41:38 PM
https://twitter.com/Oregonian/status/1353215254218612736
good reporting.
Post by: Trim on January 24, 2021, 03:50:03 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ehkbmZ0.png)
Post by: dal9 on January 24, 2021, 04:40:26 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 24, 2021, 05:12:02 PM
"jean v. paris" remains a bit of mystery
A nom de plume, methinks
Post by: michigancat on January 24, 2021, 06:15:23 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on January 24, 2021, 06:21:20 PM
Post by: Trim on January 24, 2021, 06:37:56 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-police-break-up-antifa-soccer-game-arrest-7-at-cal-anderson-park/
Post by: michigancat on January 24, 2021, 06:41:24 PM
Lol, that idea was one of the first responses to the park getting cleared last month.Ha! What a fun read. It's hard to get mad at these folks OR take their demands seriously because they just seen like a silly band of rabble rousers
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-police-break-up-antifa-soccer-game-arrest-7-at-cal-anderson-park/
Post by: MakeItRain on January 24, 2021, 08:57:36 PM
it's great that you all are all: "no, actually these fringe weirdos loosely affiliated with the far left are adherents to a fringe movement more consistent with a fringe weirdo far right ideology", and you think you're rebutting the thesis expressed in the original tweet.
Who made this argument? Kat Kad didn't, rusty didn't, I didn't, I'm certain that isn't the point dal9 was making.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 24, 2021, 09:03:55 PM
https://twitter.com/Oregonian/status/1353215254218612736
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“My 6-year-old should not have to go through what I have gone through,” Lindseth said. “My child should see Black history stuff. In school we don’t even learn enough about that. Biden really needs to change education. Foster care needs to change. There’s so much wrong with this world. It needs to change.”
Hoe babble.
Post by: sys on January 24, 2021, 09:07:43 PM
Who made this argument? Kat Kad didn't, rusty didn't, I didn't, I'm certain that isn't the point dal9 was making.
then what were your points?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 24, 2021, 09:20:50 PM
Who made this argument? Kat Kad didn't, rusty didn't, I didn't, I'm certain that isn't the point dal9 was making.
then what were your points?
Mine? Thought it was fairly obvious and plainly stated. It's stupid to associate anarchists with any part of the political left, because they are by definition apolitical. The far political left doesn't want government abolished, in fact they/we/whomever the far political left is want the opposite of abolishing government.
Same thing with attempts to the fascists to the political right. Fascists don't believe in government, the far political right, at least they used to believe in a limited government role, but still want a government, fascists don't.
Post by: sys on January 24, 2021, 09:23:59 PM
Mine? Thought it was fairly obvious and plainly stated. It's stupid to associate anarchists with any part of the political left, because they are by definition apolitical. The far political left doesn't want government abolished, in fact they/we/whomever the far political left is want the opposite of abolishing government.
Same thing with attempts to the fascists to the political right. Fascists don't believe in government, the far political right, at least they used to believe in a limited government role, but still want a government, fascists don't.
read the portland article trim posted - they are clearly and unambiguously allied with the far left regardless of the coherence of ideologies. it is afactual to assert otherwise.
and as i thought i had made clear, that's the point.
Post by: Trim on January 24, 2021, 09:33:16 PM
I haven't seen any true anarchists.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 24, 2021, 09:46:26 PM
Mine? Thought it was fairly obvious and plainly stated. It's stupid to associate anarchists with any part of the political left, because they are by definition apolitical. The far political left doesn't want government abolished, in fact they/we/whomever the far political left is want the opposite of abolishing government.
Same thing with attempts to the fascists to the political right. Fascists don't believe in government, the far political right, at least they used to believe in a limited government role, but still want a government, fascists don't.
read the portland article trim posted - they are clearly and unambiguously allied with the far left regardless of the coherence of ideologies. it is afactual to assert otherwise.
and as i thought i had made clear, that's the point.
I clearly read the article, as evidenced by me quoting it.
This statement
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unambiguously allied with the far left regardless of the coherence of ideologies
Is hoe babble as well. I'm not going to waste not another word trying to convince someone that anarchists are aligned with people who want to use government for racial and economic equity. You want to suspend belief of what anarchism is to prove some dipshit point to like 7 people, be my guest.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 24, 2021, 09:55:08 PM
At least here, there's been a lot of co-opting of straightforward BLM protests by socialists with some sprinkling of lol hot topic kids getting stuff out of their systems. It puts legit BLM organizers in a bad spot because on one hand, yes it's good to have lots of people to make for a bigger presence, but on the other hand the message gets switched to "this is all capitalism's fault" with a sprinkling of "breaking glass is cool." And all with people trying to get political capital out of it.
I haven't seen any true anarchists.
Yes, they are co-opting BLM protests, and as was made clear in the article BLM has several times told them to get mumped. If they actually believed in the causes that BLM protests for, they would listen and fall in line, the message that BLM is trying to convey is clearly unimportant to these people.
As for whether they are anarchists or not, with what's happened in Portland the last week, if they are marching with anarchy symbols and painting anarchy symbols on everything I'm going to take them at their word. No idea if this is also happening in Seattle. Whether or not they want to be politically affiliated or not, nothing says lunatic fringe than the fact that we're only talking about dozens of people in either one or two regionalized cities, this crap isn't happening anywhere else. I'm amazed that we've wasted so much time talking about it.
Post by: dal9 on January 24, 2021, 10:04:17 PM
"jean v. paris" remains a bit of mystery
A nom de plume, methinks
or more like nom de guerre...
Post by: sys on January 24, 2021, 10:10:04 PM
I'm not going to waste not another word trying to convince someone that anarchists are aligned with people who want to use government for racial and economic equity. You want to suspend belief of what anarchism is to prove some dipshit point to like 7 people, be my guest.
they're marching in protests together, mir. so they pretty clearly don't attach as much importance to which quadrant they fall in on a two-factor ideological test as you do.
Post by: Trim on January 24, 2021, 10:13:36 PM
Those kids will grow out of it and become socialists or magas or most likely something in between.
And yeah, I think the line's been crossed by socialist co-opt'rs here. The socialist city councilmember is up for recall and I think a lot of her stunts like that she pulled after re-election might swing things against her.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 24, 2021, 10:53:31 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 25, 2021, 12:52:14 AM
"jean v. paris" remains a bit of mystery
A nom de plume, methinks
or more like nom de guerre...
touche
Post by: DQ12 on January 25, 2021, 10:43:00 AM
Again, we're running into the problem with the singular right/left paradigm, but I think fascists believe in government as much more or more than any other ideology believes in government.Who made this argument? Kat Kad didn't, rusty didn't, I didn't, I'm certain that isn't the point dal9 was making.
then what were your points?
Mine? Thought it was fairly obvious and plainly stated. It's stupid to associate anarchists with any part of the political left, because they are by definition apolitical. The far political left doesn't want government abolished, in fact they/we/whomever the far political left is want the opposite of abolishing government.
Same thing with attempts to the fascists to the political right. Fascists don't believe in government, the far political right, at least they used to believe in a limited government role, but still want a government, fascists don't.
Post by: cfbandyman on January 25, 2021, 10:52:58 AM
Again, we're running into the problem with the singular right/left paradigm, but I think fascists believe in government as much more or more than any other ideology believes in government.Who made this argument? Kat Kad didn't, rusty didn't, I didn't, I'm certain that isn't the point dal9 was making.
then what were your points?
Mine? Thought it was fairly obvious and plainly stated. It's stupid to associate anarchists with any part of the political left, because they are by definition apolitical. The far political left doesn't want government abolished, in fact they/we/whomever the far political left is want the opposite of abolishing government.
Same thing with attempts to the fascists to the political right. Fascists don't believe in government, the far political right, at least they used to believe in a limited government role, but still want a government, fascists don't.
given the name comes from fasces, which represented a consuls authority in ancient Rome, you bet their ass they believe in government, just a very specific version of it.
This is not specific to mir or dq, but if you want to know what a fasces is, there are two of them helpfully on the US Senate seal
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Seal_of_the_United_States_Senate.svg/1024px-Seal_of_the_United_States_Senate.svg.png)
Post by: star seed 7 on January 25, 2021, 11:20:02 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 25, 2021, 11:32:47 AM
Again, we're running into the problem with the singular right/left paradigm, but I think fascists believe in government as much more or more than any other ideology believes in government.Who made this argument? Kat Kad didn't, rusty didn't, I didn't, I'm certain that isn't the point dal9 was making.
then what were your points?
Mine? Thought it was fairly obvious and plainly stated. It's stupid to associate anarchists with any part of the political left, because they are by definition apolitical. The far political left doesn't want government abolished, in fact they/we/whomever the far political left is want the opposite of abolishing government.
Same thing with attempts to the fascists to the political right. Fascists don't believe in government, the far political right, at least they used to believe in a limited government role, but still want a government, fascists don't.
Two different times in this thread I made the distinction of our form of government, I don't want to keep having to type that disclaimer in, at some point we should all give each other credit for knowing that fascism favors authoritarians and dictatorial power and that isn't how our government works, so no fascists do not represent the American political right. I'm sure there are a few thousand trump supporters who wouldn't mind trump being a dictator but the point of all of this is that it's wrong to associate extremists with people who fundamentally believe in a democracy.
As far as I can tell everyone but sys agrees with this, yet here we are in a "well actually" off.
Post by: DQ12 on January 25, 2021, 12:32:33 PM
I missed those qualifiers and am not trying to be combative or argue with you or well actually you or anything.Again, we're running into the problem with the singular right/left paradigm, but I think fascists believe in government as much more or more than any other ideology believes in government.Who made this argument? Kat Kad didn't, rusty didn't, I didn't, I'm certain that isn't the point dal9 was making.
then what were your points?
Mine? Thought it was fairly obvious and plainly stated. It's stupid to associate anarchists with any part of the political left, because they are by definition apolitical. The far political left doesn't want government abolished, in fact they/we/whomever the far political left is want the opposite of abolishing government.
Same thing with attempts to the fascists to the political right. Fascists don't believe in government, the far political right, at least they used to believe in a limited government role, but still want a government, fascists don't.
Two different times in this thread I made the distinction of our form of government, I don't want to keep having to type that disclaimer in, at some point we should all give each other credit for knowing that fascism favors authoritarians and dictatorial power and that isn't how our government works, so no fascists do not represent the American political right. I'm sure there are a few thousand trump supporters who wouldn't mind trump being a dictator but the point of all of this is that it's wrong to associate extremists with people who fundamentally believe in a democracy.
As far as I can tell everyone but sys agrees with this, yet here we are in a "well actually" off.
Your original post brought up an interesting point about where anarchists/fascists would fall on the left/right paradigm discussion.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 25, 2021, 10:49:55 PM
https://twitter.com/VanityFair/status/1353808948395200513
Post by: chum1 on January 28, 2021, 01:51:16 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 28, 2021, 02:21:10 PM
For continuing to propagate and speak to insane conspiracy theories
Post by: sys on January 28, 2021, 07:35:06 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 28, 2021, 10:45:06 PM
Until revoked, congratulations to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez-Goebbels you are the official public relations face of #blueanon
For continuing to propagate and speak to insane conspiracy theories
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 29, 2021, 07:47:55 AM
She's a complete whack-a-doo, so it's no wonder you feel a kinship with her.
Post by: chum1 on February 08, 2021, 08:51:36 PM
https://twitter.com/USProgressives/status/1358871046095593473
Post by: chum1 on February 09, 2021, 10:53:36 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 03, 2021, 12:25:02 PM
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/985195142645678080?s=21
Post by: catastrophe on March 03, 2021, 12:26:30 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on March 03, 2021, 12:30:42 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 03, 2021, 12:32:36 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 03, 2021, 01:31:02 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 03, 2021, 02:33:42 PM
Until you’re permanently banned from twitter. Then there are no more tweets. :frown:
In hindsight, that sucks. He was always good for something stupid at least once a day
Post by: sys on March 03, 2021, 10:12:20 PM
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38353.2950
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=38387.1850
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=39213.0
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 03, 2021, 10:28:54 PM
The talk of WWIII flowed like ProgFascist Post 2016 election rage.
Post by: sys on March 08, 2021, 11:48:09 PM
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1368986051201601538
Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2021, 12:48:48 AM
sanders is more of a shitlib than people credit.
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1368986051201601538
That's an example of him being a "shitlib?" Is there some inside California politics that I'm missing here?
Post by: sys on March 09, 2021, 12:55:31 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 09, 2021, 09:40:28 AM
Post by: sys on March 09, 2021, 10:48:01 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2021, 11:35:25 AM
progressives call less radical dems shitlibs sometimes. sanders earns the term for backing newsom instead of trying to squeeze some dsa freak into office with like 22% of the vote in the referendum.
Okay, that's what I thought you were referring to. I see this of less of an endorsement of Newsom and his policies and more of a rebuke of lunatic partisan republicans wanting to recall this dude because of a mask mandate. Whoever he would back would also support a mask mandate thus would also be on the wrong side of people who think being safe is for pussy libs.
Post by: sys on March 09, 2021, 11:41:48 AM
Post by: CHONGS on March 09, 2021, 12:04:46 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 03, 2021, 11:47:37 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/04/03/aoc-was-one-of-least-effective-members-of-congress-study/
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 09, 2021, 03:09:25 PM
https://twitter.com/queeralamode/status/1380284997785948162?s=20
Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2021, 03:28:16 PM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 09, 2021, 03:49:42 PM
Post by: Trim on April 09, 2021, 04:19:12 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 09, 2021, 05:00:29 PM
Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2021, 05:06:29 PM
https://twitter.com/AnissaNow/status/1380609293594980352lmao
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 09, 2021, 05:09:46 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 09, 2021, 05:19:12 PM
Nobody criticizes our AOC (ProgFascists and Fake Centrists)
https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1380630734977724417?s=20
https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1380630923734085636?s=20
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 09, 2021, 05:25:28 PM
I think they should get answers to what occurred :dunno: does this go into that press thread tho or the AOC one
The resident ProgFascists have already decided.
Post by: waks on April 10, 2021, 01:10:18 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 10, 2021, 02:02:24 AM
Good grief, Dax, at least hold onto what little dignity you had. :facepalm:Waks: For press harassment and suppression - check
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 16, 2021, 09:56:42 AM
Post by: kim carnes on April 16, 2021, 02:31:47 PM
:Chirp:
https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1382800107846897668
She is the absolute worst
Post by: MakeItRain on April 16, 2021, 02:32:54 PM
:Chirp:
https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1382800107846897668
https://twitter.com/DawnMm08/status/1382801259422449667
Post by: kim carnes on April 16, 2021, 02:35:45 PM
Post by: catastrophe on April 16, 2021, 02:46:29 PM
Post by: kim carnes on April 16, 2021, 02:53:17 PM
Post by: catastrophe on April 16, 2021, 03:03:08 PM
I’ll never understand why people are paying taxes on money they never saw bc their state took it from them to pay for services that the govt apparently thinks are essential.Every state pays for their programs with some kind of tax. Why should there be caps for deducting some of those but not others?
Post by: kim carnes on April 16, 2021, 03:14:35 PM
I’ll never understand why people are paying taxes on money they never saw bc their state took it from them to pay for services that the govt apparently thinks are essential.Every state pays for their programs with some kind of tax. Why should there be caps for deducting some of those but not others?
They’re free to start taxing people more. The rules are the same for all 50 states. Also, other than sales tax, what taxes are you talking about that are even mildly significant?
Post by: kim carnes on April 16, 2021, 03:16:41 PM
Post by: catastrophe on April 16, 2021, 03:25:51 PM
I always thought that states without income tax made up for it by higher property tax. That could be wrong, though.I’ll never understand why people are paying taxes on money they never saw bc their state took it from them to pay for services that the govt apparently thinks are essential.Every state pays for their programs with some kind of tax. Why should there be caps for deducting some of those but not others?
They’re free to start taxing people more. The rules are the same for all 50 states. Also, other than sales tax, what taxes are you talking about that are even mildly significant?
Post by: kim carnes on April 16, 2021, 03:30:35 PM
I always thought that states without income tax made up for it by higher property tax. That could be wrong, though.I’ll never understand why people are paying taxes on money they never saw bc their state took it from them to pay for services that the govt apparently thinks are essential.Every state pays for their programs with some kind of tax. Why should there be caps for deducting some of those but not others?
They’re free to start taxing people more. The rules are the same for all 50 states. Also, other than sales tax, what taxes are you talking about that are even mildly significant?
I hope you’re sitting down for this, property tax is part of salt
Post by: steve dave on April 16, 2021, 03:32:03 PM
I always thought that states without income tax made up for it by higher property tax. That could be wrong, though.I’ll never understand why people are paying taxes on money they never saw bc their state took it from them to pay for services that the govt apparently thinks are essential.Every state pays for their programs with some kind of tax. Why should there be caps for deducting some of those but not others?
They’re free to start taxing people more. The rules are the same for all 50 states. Also, other than sales tax, what taxes are you talking about that are even mildly significant?
I hope you’re sitting down for this, property tax is part of salt
property taxes can eat my entire ass and balls. I HATE THEIR GUTS!
Post by: catastrophe on April 16, 2021, 04:27:02 PM
So what’s the problem with a uniform cap again?I always thought that states without income tax made up for it by higher property tax. That could be wrong, though.I’ll never understand why people are paying taxes on money they never saw bc their state took it from them to pay for services that the govt apparently thinks are essential.Every state pays for their programs with some kind of tax. Why should there be caps for deducting some of those but not others?
They’re free to start taxing people more. The rules are the same for all 50 states. Also, other than sales tax, what taxes are you talking about that are even mildly significant?
I hope you’re sitting down for this, property tax is part of salt
Post by: kim carnes on April 16, 2021, 06:08:23 PM
Post by: kim carnes on April 16, 2021, 06:10:45 PM
Post by: kim carnes on April 20, 2021, 05:11:12 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 20, 2021, 05:38:29 PM
Pfft:Chirp:
https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1382800107846897668
https://twitter.com/DawnMm08/status/1382801259422449667
Post by: sys on April 20, 2021, 05:57:19 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on April 20, 2021, 06:00:08 PM
i'm developing a bit of a problem with that union crap.Biden is going to make you learn two Union songs and kick up to a guy named Paulie. No more independent contracting.
Post by: nicname on April 20, 2021, 06:22:45 PM
i'm developing a bit of a problem with that union crap.Biden is going to make you learn two Union songs and kick up to a guy named Paulie. No more independent contracting.
Not a fan
Post by: sys on April 20, 2021, 06:30:44 PM
Biden is going to make you learn two Union songs and kick up to a guy named Paulie. No more independent contracting.
abc test in literally every bill, still building the wall, continuing migrant expulsions and trump refugee limits. biden can get mumped.
Post by: mocat on April 20, 2021, 06:41:35 PM
But at least Paulie takes a hard line against spreading that junki'm developing a bit of a problem with that union crap.Biden is going to make you learn two Union songs and kick up to a guy named Paulie. No more independent contracting.
Post by: Kat Kid on April 20, 2021, 06:48:50 PM
Sorry buddy, one of those things is cool. But your conclusion is a little late.Biden is going to make you learn two Union songs and kick up to a guy named Paulie. No more independent contracting.
abc test in literally every bill, still building the wall, continuing migrant expulsions and trump refugee limits. biden can get mumped.
Post by: kim carnes on April 20, 2021, 06:50:07 PM
Post by: sys on April 20, 2021, 07:08:39 PM
But your conclusion is a little late.
there's always a next election.
Post by: Kat Kid on April 20, 2021, 07:50:56 PM
2024 seems a little ambitious unless you are just rooting for death.But your conclusion is a little late.
there's always a next election.
Post by: michigancat on April 20, 2021, 07:59:52 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on April 20, 2021, 08:46:48 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 21, 2021, 09:05:05 AM
2024 seems a little ambitious unless you are just rooting for death.But your conclusion is a little late.
there's always a next election.
Death comes for us all, usually around Joe's age. Have faith.
Post by: bucket on May 14, 2021, 02:26:31 PM
Yas queen!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 14, 2021, 03:02:49 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 14, 2021, 03:07:55 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 04, 2021, 02:26:38 PM
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1400861355566043138?s=21
Post by: MakeItRain on June 04, 2021, 02:59:03 PM
My word! Read the gofundme page.
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1400861355566043138?s=21
I'm certain that woman's roof doesn't cost $50,000. Maybe other people can shame them into raising money for other disadvantaged people or organizations. Love the performative charity tho.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 04, 2021, 05:45:09 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 05, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 05, 2021, 12:17:14 PM
Weird flex from the conservabros but hopefully the money actually goes to something worthwhileIt will all get refunded. Very gross grandstanding
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 05, 2021, 12:28:46 PM
Post by: _33 on June 05, 2021, 12:48:39 PM
Weird flex from the conservabros but hopefully the money actually goes to something worthwhileVery gross grandstanding
That would be a good name for the politics board.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 05, 2021, 01:23:11 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 05, 2021, 04:48:17 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 07, 2021, 06:35:59 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 07, 2021, 07:50:19 AM
Weird flex from the conservabros but hopefully the money actually goes to something worthwhileIt will all get refunded. Very gross grandstanding
Yeah I saw that yesterday. Really gross.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 07, 2021, 08:26:31 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on June 07, 2021, 12:29:52 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 07, 2021, 01:25:17 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on June 07, 2021, 02:48:17 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 07, 2021, 03:28:21 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 07, 2021, 04:14:11 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 07, 2021, 09:18:04 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 26, 2021, 07:22:17 PM
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1408938900651970560
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 28, 2021, 02:24:44 PM
Post by: sys on August 30, 2021, 04:08:31 PM
https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/1432449510970728451
Post by: Spracne on August 30, 2021, 04:10:28 PM
Post by: MadCat on August 30, 2021, 04:33:57 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 30, 2021, 07:31:18 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 30, 2021, 07:35:28 PM
clowns.lmao. Who do these downgrades believe would be better for their agenda?
https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/1432449510970728451
Post by: Kat Kid on August 30, 2021, 08:35:43 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 30, 2021, 08:43:16 PM
I don’t know this but I choose to believe that AOC is very in to BTC snow because her loser boyfriend keeps nagging her about it and now Reddit brain’d and Tlaib and Pressley are just supporting a friend.Ok, I can see this
Post by: sys on September 14, 2021, 12:45:43 AM
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1437635268664774659
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2021, 07:59:19 AM
https://twitter.com/jerrydunleavy/status/1437767154590420994?s=21
Post by: MakeItRain on September 15, 2021, 05:11:23 PM
Trigger alert for StarSeed7BOT
https://twitter.com/jerrydunleavy/status/1437767154590420994?s=21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2opkEPa_RVE
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 15, 2021, 08:46:31 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 16, 2021, 07:24:57 AM
https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1438328835863420929?s=21
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 16, 2021, 08:02:07 AM
Post by: steve dave on September 16, 2021, 08:09:45 AM
This literally validates everything about today's left wing media/social media owners. Sad.Not sure all those words mean what you think they mean and I’m not sure which ones those are
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 16, 2021, 08:16:07 AM
Post by: steve dave on September 16, 2021, 08:42:53 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2021, 08:47:53 AM
Yeah, that is a stupid thing to put a disclaimer on. Agreed.
Yes!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 16, 2021, 09:06:09 AM
Post by: catastrophe on September 16, 2021, 10:28:46 AM
He should ban the barstool dude just to big dick him. bro would lose his crap.I’d prefer that they slap another disclaimer on the tweet screenshoting the tweet.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2021, 11:33:11 AM
Some of the best Meme's were delivered out of the dress, surpassed AOC's fake white party empty parking lot drama at the border.
Well done all Memesters
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 16, 2021, 11:35:40 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 16, 2021, 05:56:55 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 02, 2021, 11:17:48 AM
https://twitter.com/isabellarileyus/status/1444139545700847622?s=21
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2021, 02:08:35 PM
Post by: Spracne on October 02, 2021, 05:24:51 PM
What is cringe about that?
I just assumed it was either the Prof. Plum pants suit or the fact that he wants to bone her but cannot.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 02, 2021, 07:25:57 PM
What is cringe about that?lol. Wtf did she even say? If that was ‘pub, you’d be laughing your ass off. She’s embarrassing.
Post by: star seed 7 on October 02, 2021, 07:33:26 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 23, 2021, 12:51:05 PM
Post by: Spracne on October 23, 2021, 01:05:07 PM
https://twitter.com/jessekellydc/status/1451746783219142661?s=21
She's such a babe.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 23, 2021, 01:08:18 PM
Post by: Spracne on October 23, 2021, 01:09:22 PM
Post by: waks on October 23, 2021, 02:36:46 PM
Post by: Katpappy on October 23, 2021, 07:47:25 PM
I bet she says "daddy" like a pornstar. Would.
You heard Wacky daydreaming about a sexual fantasy with the "babe". :ROFL:
Post by: MakeItRain on October 23, 2021, 08:38:16 PM
https://twitter.com/jessekellydc/status/1451746783219142661?s=21
These maga bros are super weird, I don't get how that's the least bit noteworthy.
Post by: michigancat on December 31, 2021, 03:42:51 PM
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1476954091737784329
Post by: kim carnes on December 31, 2021, 03:57:25 PM
Post by: Cire on December 31, 2021, 04:00:09 PM
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1477000469318885385?s=21
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Post by: steve dave on December 31, 2021, 04:56:00 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 31, 2021, 04:56:33 PM
Post by: Katpappy on December 31, 2021, 09:44:29 PM
Ha
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1477000469318885385?s=21
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OMG, she likes gingers.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 31, 2021, 09:50:23 PM
Her being in Miami rn is not a great look tbh.
lol
Post by: sys on December 31, 2021, 10:22:47 PM
Embarrassing for everyone involved.
yes.
Post by: mocat on December 31, 2021, 10:54:57 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 31, 2021, 11:13:32 PM
this new years, let's all come together like sys and wacky
They are both big time AOC haters/cop sympathizers so I don't think this is all that special a moment
Post by: sys on January 01, 2022, 12:51:02 AM
this new years, let's all come together like sys and wacky
They are both big time AOC haters/cop sympathizers so I don't think this is all that special a moment
if michigancat is mad he can't eff us, he can just say that.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 01, 2022, 09:01:37 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 01, 2022, 12:48:58 PM
https://twitter.com/richard_harambe/status/1477026967190974468?s=21
Post by: star seed 7 on January 01, 2022, 01:03:58 PM
Post by: michigancat on January 01, 2022, 01:11:59 PM
Comments are better than the tweetWhat are some of your favorites
https://twitter.com/richard_harambe/status/1477026967190974468?s=21
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 01, 2022, 02:33:32 PM
All of them. Especially the fake titty ones and the ones you despise. :surprised:Comments are better than the tweetWhat are some of your favorites
https://twitter.com/richard_harambe/status/1477026967190974468?s=21
Post by: kim carnes on January 01, 2022, 02:55:04 PM
this new years, let's all come together like sys and wacky
They are both big time AOC haters/cop sympathizers so I don't think this is all that special a moment
Wait, do you think her tweet was funny?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 01, 2022, 06:31:28 PM
Yes. He loves her. Super horned up over her too. Queen status!this new years, let's all come together like sys and wacky
They are both big time AOC haters/cop sympathizers so I don't think this is all that special a moment
Wait, do you think her tweet was funny?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 01, 2022, 08:35:55 PM
this new years, let's all come together like sys and wacky
They are both big time AOC haters/cop sympathizers so I don't think this is all that special a moment
Wait, do you think her tweet was funny?
How the eff did you get that out of that post?
Post by: kim carnes on January 01, 2022, 09:43:15 PM
this new years, let's all come together like sys and wacky
They are both big time AOC haters/cop sympathizers so I don't think this is all that special a moment
Wait, do you think her tweet was funny?
How the eff did you get that out of that post?
Umm bc mich is mad about sys and 420cat coming together to make fun of aoc’s super weird/embarrassing tweet where she responds to some guy named Steve that got fired from newsmax
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 01, 2022, 10:01:10 PM
Post by: bucket on January 01, 2022, 10:02:50 PM
this new years, let's all come together like sys and wacky
They are both big time AOC haters/cop sympathizers so I don't think this is all that special a moment
Wait, do you think her tweet was funny?
How the eff did you get that out of that post?
Umm bc mich is mad about sys and 420cat coming together to make fun of aoc’s super weird/embarrassing tweet where she responds to some guy named Steve that got fired from newsmax
Trolls love trolls
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 01, 2022, 10:07:42 PM
Post by: kim carnes on January 01, 2022, 10:13:44 PM
this new years, let's all come together like sys and wacky
They are both big time AOC haters/cop sympathizers so I don't think this is all that special a moment
Wait, do you think her tweet was funny?
How the eff did you get that out of that post?
Umm bc mich is mad about sys and 420cat coming together to make fun of aoc’s super weird/embarrassing tweet where she responds to some guy named Steve that got fired from newsmax
Trolls love trolls
Are you talking about aoc and steve?
Post by: sys on January 01, 2022, 10:29:36 PM
https://twitter.com/cojobrien/status/1477452772954062850
Post by: steve dave on January 02, 2022, 09:53:38 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 02, 2022, 06:11:56 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 02, 2022, 11:45:27 PM
brain-rottingly stupid.
https://twitter.com/cojobrien/status/1477452772954062850
I remember when I said that pharma would make billions from this vaccine and dickhead, kim carnes, told me I was stupid. Have you been right about anything ever? I remember when you didn't give opinions, I understand why.
Anyway, very rough ridin' obviously these dudes shouldn't be derided for making so much money from saving lives. This is exactly how it should work, make the governments pay for these meds. Pharma bros should be held accountable when they needlessly jack up costs for lifesaving meds for private citizens, but the US government are much more at fault for letting it's citizens get ripped off.
Post by: kim carnes on January 03, 2022, 11:05:04 AM
brain-rottingly stupid.
https://twitter.com/cojobrien/status/1477452772954062850
I remember when I said that pharma would make billions from this vaccine and dickhead, kim carnes, told me I was stupid. Have you been right about anything ever? I remember when you didn't give opinions, I understand why.
You said trillions or some number that could not be supported by math. Of course they would make billions, the doses were being sold at $25-40 each.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 03, 2022, 02:13:06 PM
brain-rottingly stupid.
https://twitter.com/cojobrien/status/1477452772954062850
I remember when I said that pharma would make billions from this vaccine and dickhead, kim carnes, told me I was stupid. Have you been right about anything ever? I remember when you didn't give opinions, I understand why.
You said trillions or some number that could not be supported by math. Of course they would make billions, the doses were being sold at $25-40 each.
You're right, I did say trillions
Big pharma kind of saved our asses this year. I will let them take a vic lapYes, earned valor
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That they will take in trillions for.
You have no idea what you’re taking about and are extremely ignorant.
I should have said hundreds of billions
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/pfizer-biontech-and-moderna-making-1000-profit-every-second-while-worlds-poorest
Bear in mind this doesn't account for money the pharmaceuticals received on the front end from governments, $22 billion from warp speed, I don't know how much they got from European and Asian countries and I'm not going to look it up. It doesn't account for Pfizer stock increasing 12% either. With how few people worldwide are vaccinated and how many boosters are needed and will continue to be needed, I wouldn't bet against this number reaching a trillion.
Speaking of hundreds of billions
Pfizer is producing the vaccine for free?low chip iq
The politburo apparatchik who wants to spend hundreds of billions on the most cumbersome and logistically challenging process keeps chiming in.
:lol: :lol:
Someone much smarter than Phil said yesterday the other vaccines, particularly the J&J vaccine will be easier to produce and speed of ramping of production will be vastly easier than Pfizer.
That's awesome. Hopefully their trials are successful! More chips the better.
I've never been against getting in early on all these vaccines. Nobody thinks we should have put all our eggs in one basket.
No, but hyperpartisans like you keep insisting that the Federal Government invest hundreds of billions of dollars in additional funds to buy the most logistically troublesome and manufacturing intense vaccine out of the lot.
As I've said, there's a reason other countries are buying a very nominal amount of the Pfizer vaccine, like Canada for example.
Hundreds of billions? Tf are you talking about?
Your number is stupidly inaccurate so your argument is dumb and holds no water.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 04, 2022, 03:27:38 PM
Post by: Spracne on January 04, 2022, 03:30:19 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 04, 2022, 03:39:27 PM
I'll say it: AOC is an attractive woman.
:Wha:
Post by: passranch on January 04, 2022, 04:53:23 PM
I'll say it: AOC is an attractive woman.
No doubt, but she's also probably a massive PITA to be around for about 99.99% of the time. Don't envy her man-friend at all.
Post by: MadCat on January 04, 2022, 04:57:03 PM
I'm guessing they don't talk politics and just have sex like 23/7 when they aren't taking a break for CappuccinisI'll say it: AOC is an attractive woman.
No doubt, but she's also probably a massive PITA to be around for about 99.99% of the time. Don't envy her man-friend at all.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 05, 2022, 08:57:59 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 05, 2022, 09:01:28 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 05, 2022, 09:03:34 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 05, 2022, 09:04:23 AM
As I recently learned that can be a pretty dangerous thing to do.what
Post by: waks on January 05, 2022, 09:05:31 AM
As I recently learned that can be a pretty dangerous thing to do.You talking about jenkem?
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 05, 2022, 09:08:32 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 09, 2022, 06:13:10 PM
Post by: michigancat on January 09, 2022, 06:47:23 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 09, 2022, 07:00:55 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on January 09, 2022, 08:01:17 PM
Partying.
Whatevs.
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Post by: Katpappy on January 10, 2022, 10:47:46 AM
There's a lot of ppl on this board that would pay 5 cents for her to fart in a jar and smell it, that's for sure.
There's a lot ofpplmagas' on this board that would pay5 cents$1,000 for her to fart in a jar and smell it, that's for sure.
FYP, 2nd edit
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 18, 2022, 11:29:05 PM
https://original.antiwar.com/terrell/2022/01/17/aoc-needs-to-go-beyond-words-and-take-real-steps-to-end-war/
Post by: Cire on January 19, 2022, 12:27:16 AM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 19, 2022, 06:03:53 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on January 20, 2022, 12:11:08 PM
But I'm glad Cuellar got re-elected so we could protect that dem seat from going red.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/19/henry-cuellar-fbi/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/19/henry-cuellar-fbi/)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 20, 2022, 12:16:37 PM
Wouldn't put anything past Joe "Stalin" Biden and Herr Garland.
Post by: Spracne on January 20, 2022, 12:18:34 PM
I have to say, I doubt Jessica Cisneros would have the FBI turning up at her house.
But I'm glad Cuellar got re-elected so we could protect that dem seat from going red.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/19/henry-cuellar-fbi/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/19/henry-cuellar-fbi/)
Always blows my mind to see her name out in the wild. Well, sort of her name. Her actual name is Justicia.
Post by: Kat Kid on January 20, 2022, 01:54:02 PM
Post by: Spracne on January 20, 2022, 02:15:33 PM
did not know that. I only loosely followed the race and was mostly posting to try and annoy sys.
She was in my law school class, section, and subsection. We were pretty tight back then. I will reserve any further details.
Edit: to be clear, we never knew each other in the biblical sense.
Post by: mocat on January 20, 2022, 02:30:55 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on January 20, 2022, 02:37:49 PM
Justicia is an incred lawyer name
absolutely
Post by: catastrophe on January 20, 2022, 05:37:04 PM
Post by: sys on January 20, 2022, 10:18:57 PM
did not know that. I only loosely followed the race and was mostly posting to try and annoy sys.
She was in my law school class, section, and subsection. We were pretty tight back then. I will reserve any further details.
Edit: to be clear, we never knew each other in the biblical sense.
decent chance you'll soon be the poster with the closest relationship to a member of congress (pending sd's disclosure of whatever weirdo reason he doesn't detest ben sasse like everyone else in the world).
Post by: Spracne on January 20, 2022, 10:40:32 PM
did not know that. I only loosely followed the race and was mostly posting to try and annoy sys.
She was in my law school class, section, and subsection. We were pretty tight back then. I will reserve any further details.
Edit: to be clear, we never knew each other in the biblical sense.
decent chance you'll soon be the poster with the closest relationship to a member of congress (pending sd's disclosure of whatever weirdo reason he doesn't detest ben sasse like everyone else in the world).
Surprising no one, this is true.
Post by: Kat Kid on January 20, 2022, 10:45:25 PM
Post by: Spracne on January 20, 2022, 10:50:05 PM
Will you endorse?
Well, I don't necessarily agree with her platform. But if she offers me a chief of staff role, I'm proven to be morally flexible.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 21, 2022, 10:58:04 AM
did not know that. I only loosely followed the race and was mostly posting to try and annoy sys.
She was in my law school class, section, and subsection. We were pretty tight back then. I will reserve any further details.
Edit: to be clear, we never knew each other in the biblical sense.
I, for one, choose to believe Spracne when he says they never smashed b/c i know that a suboptimal tooth:gum ratio is a non-starter for him.
Post by: sys on January 21, 2022, 08:28:52 PM
https://twitter.com/evanasmith/status/1484703206244560899
Post by: steve dave on January 21, 2022, 08:32:31 PM
Post by: kim carnes on January 27, 2022, 05:16:56 PM
liz warren: we need this to “jumpstart our economy”
Post by: Cire on January 27, 2022, 08:01:36 PM
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Post by: sys on January 27, 2022, 09:05:01 PM
Post by: chum1 on February 01, 2022, 08:34:02 PM
Lol
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1488691136709332993
Post by: sys on February 16, 2022, 09:30:44 PM
https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1493761236705718272
Post by: Kat Kid on February 16, 2022, 09:33:07 PM
Post by: sys on February 16, 2022, 10:02:17 PM
I mean we are both loaded up on oil stonks for a reason and that is because these companies are not investing in cap x they are doing stock buybacks and dividends and keeping supply low.
i'm investing on the back of seven years of low oil prices, losses and depressed profits have which i believe have resulted in cyclical underinvestment in e&p that will take years to resolve. not on the thesis that the world's non-state owned oil companies can collude to influence pricing on the back of the 20% of the world's output that they control.
Post by: sys on February 16, 2022, 10:04:29 PM
Post by: sys on February 16, 2022, 10:11:34 PM
https://twitter.com/wwwojtekk/status/1481618350002388996
Post by: Kat Kid on February 16, 2022, 11:39:44 PM
I mean we are both loaded up on oil stonks for a reason and that is because these companies are not investing in cap x they are doing stock buybacks and dividends and keeping supply low.
i'm investing on the back of seven years of low oil prices, losses and depressed profits have which i believe have resulted in cyclical underinvestment in e&p that will take years to resolve. not on the thesis that the world's non-state owned oil companies can collude to influence pricing on the back of the 20% of the world's output that they control.
I don't disagree with any of that. OPEC is a cartel that is restricting supply too, but every single oil exec is saying "we are not spending on cap ex, we are not rushing back out there, we are focused on shareholder returns etc.
A lot of companies have breakevens at $40-$50 below current crude prices. I don't think Bernie had some perfect tweet, but oil companies are not going to go in to drill baby drill mode and fix the supply issues (they can't completely fix it anyways) for a number of reasons, one of which is the incredible profits.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 18, 2022, 11:03:29 AM
I can't read it, but the headline and subhead are enough to get the point.
Post by: kim carnes on February 18, 2022, 11:16:06 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on February 18, 2022, 12:21:22 PM
Post by: kim carnes on February 18, 2022, 01:19:41 PM
read my post right before that
None of what you’re saying validates bernie’s statement. And shale producers pay out the ass for every barrel of oil compared to opec members who could open the spigot fairly quickly on their production.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 18, 2022, 01:44:28 PM
Bernie said oil companies had huge :driving: profits- I agree
Bernie said this was not due to inflation: I think it is demand-pull issue so mostly disagree
Bernie said the problem is "corporate greed, COLUSION, & profiteering": I think this is complicated--even the biggest integrated oil majors don't really control things, but we do have the cartel OPEC+ so COLUSION is definitely there and but I did mention that on the margins that oil producers were not interested in trying to compete to bring prices down and instead were happy returning profits to shareholders
Post by: kim carnes on February 18, 2022, 03:21:12 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 18, 2022, 03:27:54 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on February 18, 2022, 03:43:50 PM
He didn’t say anything about opec, he suggested oil companies were responsible. The far left has been blaming corporate greed for inflation in all sectors of the economy.I think any blanket statement like that would be wrong and I already have spent a lot of time pointing out where I part ways with the Bernie tweet but Corporate profits are at record highs a lot of places passed on costs and raised prices and to expand margins. It is just as true that some companies are price takers, some ate costs to try and keep market share, but a lot of companies came out ahead with inflated input costs because they were an excuse to raise prices.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 18, 2022, 08:43:27 PM
Bernie said gas prices are high- I agree
Bernie said oil companies had huge :driving: profits- I agree
Bernie said this was not due to inflation: I think it is demand-pull issue so mostly disagree
Bernie said the problem is "corporate greed, COLUSION, & profiteering": I think this is complicated--even the biggest integrated oil majors don't really control things, but we do have the cartel OPEC+ so COLUSION is definitely there and but I did mention that on the margins that oil producers were not interested in trying to compete to bring prices down and instead were happy returning profits to shareholders
The oil companies are required by law to tell the truth on their earnings calls, and on their earnings calls they are saying “yes there is some inflation but our profit margins are greatly exceeding that inflation. We can do whatever tf we want and make bank” the only way they can just jack up prices above and beyond the additional costs incurred is if all the oil companies collude and agree to artificially raise prices. Otherwise the ones raising the price for the fun of it would go out of business bc why pay $3/gal when you can just go across the street and get the exact same thing for $2? crap only works if they all agree to jack up the prices the same
Post by: MakeItRain on February 19, 2022, 12:50:25 AM
Post by: sys on February 19, 2022, 07:16:18 PM
Nothing more heart warming than when sys and kim carnes lose their crap when someone in congress dares to challenge corporate interests putting maximizing profits ahead of literally everything else.
i don't like it when politicians lie to the american people. of course, the worse possibility is that he believes his own crap.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 19, 2022, 11:19:56 PM
Nothing more heart warming than when sys and kim carnes lose their crap when someone in congress dares to challenge corporate interests putting maximizing profits ahead of literally everything else.
i don't like it when politicians lie to the american people. of course, the worse possibility is that he believes his own crap.
KK laid it out so I'm not going to rehash it but I think you get his general point that in this time of inflation oil companies are still profiting and not by small margins either. Yes, the crude price is almost 4x as it was in March of 2020, but big oil could certainly give the consumers a break if they wanted to. Pretty tough to make that point in a tweet, so I'll concede that he was using hyperbole, not sure his actual point is a lie though.
Post by: michigancat on February 20, 2022, 06:51:16 AM
Post by: sys on February 20, 2022, 06:07:16 PM
Every politician uses similar rhetoric (lies), sys just hates socialists.
not all politicians lie.
Post by: sys on February 20, 2022, 06:12:06 PM
I think you get his general point that in this time of inflation oil companies are still profiting and not by small margins either. Yes, the crude price is almost 4x as it was in March of 2020, but big oil could certainly give the consumers a break if they wanted to.
big oil, little oil, state-owned oil and private oil all want to sell their surplus oil for as much as they can. they wanted to do this just as much when oil was under $20 per barrel as they did when it was over $95 per barrel.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 20, 2022, 06:17:09 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on February 20, 2022, 07:57:27 PM
“Surplus oil” is doing some pretty heavy lifting considering a cartel controls the supply and the entire point everyone has made is that there is a simultaneous desire on the part of a variety of actors in private market to not compete for the marginal dollars that could be made by ramping up supply.I think you get his general point that in this time of inflation oil companies are still profiting and not by small margins either. Yes, the crude price is almost 4x as it was in March of 2020, but big oil could certainly give the consumers a break if they wanted to.
big oil, little oil, state-owned oil and private oil all want to sell their surplus oil for as much as they can. they wanted to do this just as much when oil was under $20 per barrel as they did when it was over $95 per barrel.
Post by: sys on February 20, 2022, 08:31:41 PM
i strongly disagree with your assertion that non-state producers have either the incentive or the ability to impact price by limiting supply. hell, even the largest state producers, united in a cartel specifically for the purpose of controlling pricing, from all appearances have a pretty limited ability to shift markets.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 20, 2022, 10:00:45 PM
i only added "surplus" to account for state-owned producers that retail domestically below market.
i strongly disagree with your assertion that non-state producers have either the incentive or the ability to impact price by limiting supply. hell, even the largest state producers, united in a cartel specifically for the purpose of controlling pricing, from all appearances have a pretty limited ability to shift markets.
Where or what do you think shifts the markets? Do you think these market shifts are mostly consumer driven?
Post by: sys on February 20, 2022, 11:03:17 PM
Where or what do you think shifts the markets? Do you think these market shifts are mostly consumer driven?
yeah, demand can shift faster than supply. it takes a fair bit of time for new supply to come on line or excess capacity to work it's way out, but demand can change quickly (as it did in march 2020). so i think there are fairly slow supply-driven cycles and also demand-driven spikes and craters around that.
link to an annual consumption chart. 2020 was pretty dramatic.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/271823/daily-global-crude-oil-demand-since-2006/
Post by: MakeItRain on February 21, 2022, 01:23:20 AM
Where or what do you think shifts the markets? Do you think these market shifts are mostly consumer driven?
yeah, demand can shift faster than supply. it takes a fair bit of time for new supply to come on line or excess capacity to work it's way out, but demand can change quickly (as it did in march 2020). so i think there are fairly slow supply-driven cycles and also demand-driven spikes and craters around that.
link to an annual consumption chart. 2020 was pretty dramatic.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/271823/daily-global-crude-oil-demand-since-2006/
Thank you for engaging in this conversation, my knowledge of this issue is rudimentary so I appreciate the discourse.
My next question is if demand is the primary driver of the market, can you explain the current price of crude oil being 2x what it was in 2019 when the demand was slightly higher?
Post by: Kat Kid on February 21, 2022, 06:43:26 AM
Listening now to see what Joe and Tracy have to say.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 21, 2022, 07:54:46 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on February 21, 2022, 08:53:31 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 21, 2022, 09:10:27 AM
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Post by: Kat Kid on February 21, 2022, 04:37:36 PM
Post by: Justwin on February 21, 2022, 04:47:54 PM
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5xY86lDT8zhuf3s8gS2dM8?si=DPUeAVADSh6uyiPQGl7aUA
Listening now to see what Joe and Tracy have to say.
This was an excellent podcast. Very informative and thorough. The information contained in the podcast makes Bernie's tweet look like the tweet of a fool.
1.The oil supermajors Bernie is decrying, along with the small outfits, are the ones that are most ramping up production. It's the independents that are hesitant. The only kind of COLUSION (COLUSION is an autochange) that is possible is for the independents to be not increasing production in order to benefit the super majors. Why would they do that?
2. The shale independents made a huge mistake by continuing to ramp up production in the face of falling prices last go round. We all benefitted from their mistakes in the form of lower oil prices, but why should we expect them to make the same mistake again for our benefit? They may very well be overreacting this time around, but it's simply not COLUSION and profiteering. Maybe there is some greed in there, but I don't think they have an obligation to ensure low oil prices for us at the expense of going bankrupt.
I read in another article about how the independents in shale are scared of another battle with OPEC as they have gotten hammered the last two times battling OPEC.
3. Does Bernie not care about the environment? Higher fossil fuel energy prices are exactly what so many Democrats have said they want. Now they're mad because they're getting what they want? Utterly ridiculous. They need to grow up, institute a carbon tax, distribute the proceeds back to the people on a per capita basis and be done.
There is a lot of other information in the podcast if one is interested in oil markets and I highly recommend this episode.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 21, 2022, 05:49:33 PM
As for prices, I am not that opposed to higher gas prices as long as we accompany that with some strategic spending to ease the transition. We have beaten expectations despite relatively meager government support for alternative energies, it would be great to see what would happen if we actually put some money behind it.
I guess I feel like I am missing something here— if everyone seems to agree that most producers are not spending on cap x and are at best modestly bringing more production online as opposed to years past even as their margins have expanded due to better fiscal discipline and instead of reinvesting those additional dollars are spending more on dividends and buybacks then I guess I will just take that as everyone agreeing and move on. There is excess capacity for supply in a very tight market and overwhelmingly producers are holding back. Glad we all agree.
As for what to do, My preferred list of realistic things that could help in the medium term:
1) fully refundable tax credit for US EV
2) Iran deal and bring on some production there
3) Venezuela deal and bring on some production there
Getting rid of the gas tax is idiotic and underscores how little the president can functionally do, other than just completely unwind the one thing that long term would get us out of it.
Post by: Justwin on February 21, 2022, 06:53:02 PM
I think if you gave Bernie a lie detector test he would probably say he would be in favor of a carbon tax, but there is zero political support for it so criticizing Bernie for that is silly.
As for prices, I am not that opposed to higher gas prices as long as we accompany that with some strategic spending to ease the transition. We have beaten expectations despite relatively meager government support for alternative energies, it would be great to see what would happen if we actually put some money behind it.
I guess I feel like I am missing something here— if everyone seems to agree that most producers are not spending on cap x and are at best modestly bringing more production online as opposed to years past even as their margins have expanded due to better fiscal discipline and instead of reinvesting those additional dollars are spending more on dividends and buybacks then I guess I will just take that as everyone agreeing and move on. There is excess capacity for supply in a very tight market and overwhelmingly producers are holding back. Glad we all agree.
As for what to do, My preferred list of realistic things that could help in the medium term:
1) fully refundable tax credit for US EV
2) Iran deal and bring on some production there
3) Venezuela deal and bring on some production there
Getting rid of the gas tax is idiotic and underscores how little the president can functionally do, other than just completely unwind the one thing that long term would get us out of it.
The oil supermajors that Bernie criticized are investing in increasing capacity as are the players at the smaller end. The ones that are limiting the investments in increased capacity are the independents in shale. Do you think the independents investing enough to increase capacity by 5% is greed, COLUSION or profiteering? I don't think it is. I would call it prudence which is the opposite of Bernie's tweet. Was everyone sending out tweets of condolences to independents when they were getting killed as the price of oil fell 5 years ago or so?
Part of the issue with getting support for a carbon tax is that Democrats are obsessed with spending the revenue to fund their preferred projects (see tax credits for EVs) rather than committing to returning the revenue to the people on a per capita basis. I would 100% oppose a carbon tax that is used to fund other programs. I would only support it if the revenue is returned to the people.
The issues facing the market currently are primarily supply issues. The supply issues are mostly based on a lack of confidence in the price of oil remaining high. I don't think that EV credits are going to do much to change the price of oil today nor have much effect in the future. However, if you do think they will notably affect the price of oil, you are probably going to make the supply situation worse by further undermining confidence in the future price of oil.
Figuring something out with Iran and/or Venezuela would do something to add supply to the market. Iran could probably increase production by around 1 MBD. I do not know how much Venezuela could increase production. The supply would not come online, though, until 3-6 months after sanctions are lifted.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 21, 2022, 07:26:12 PM
As for the EV tax credit, I don’t think it is the best thing and I don’t think it would immediately bring down the price of oil but it might move peak oil forward by a year or two and that would be good for a number of reasons.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 21, 2022, 07:34:11 PM
Post by: Justwin on February 21, 2022, 10:02:46 PM
I agree about the EV credits. No large impact now, but could move peak oil demand up a bit.
The main thing about Bernie's tweet that sys posted is I feel it really undermines his credibility when he legitimately criticizes something. I am not a person that's ever going to vote for him, but he and Elizabeth Warren have some things I could get behind. The foremost one is the finance industry and removing its privileged position in the economy. I still am upset about the way that the bailouts in 2008-2009 went down and am unconvinced that the industry is a net positive for the economy. There is a lot to legitimately criticize about that industry. However, it makes it harder to support Bernie and Elizabeth Warren when they are, in my opinion, completely off base complaining about an industry. It simply isn't the case that high profits automatically mean greed, COLUSION or profiteering.
This has been a fun topic to explore and I'm glad sys and you have posted about it. I really did enjoy the Odd Lots podcast on the price of oil.
Post by: sys on February 21, 2022, 10:41:22 PM
Thank you for engaging in this conversation, my knowledge of this issue is rudimentary so I appreciate the discourse.
My next question is if demand is the primary driver of the market, can you explain the current price of crude oil being 2x what it was in 2019 when the demand was slightly higher?
i haven't listened to the latest odd lots, so i'm at risk of being pre-contradicted, and a lot of the ground was covered btwn your post and my answer, but i'll try to address it and add a few other comments.
1. oil prices are extremely volatile! the basics of this are that oil demand is relatively price insensitive, hence when there is an imbalance btwn supply and demand, price moves a lot more than demand does (see price chart here, plus a lot of other good info). so relatively small changes in demand or supply can and will cause large swings in price.
https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/ce/znvnejyjypl/OIL%20PRICE%20OUTLOOK%20FOR%202022-2023.pdf
2. my view, and god knows i've been wrong trying to predict oil price moves far more than i've been right, is that if the 2020 pandemic hadn't come along, oil would have moved higher in 2020 because years of underinvestment following the sustained slump in oil prices starting in 2014 would have finally caught up. instead, demand crashed, oil cratered and 2020 saw a massive retraction in oil supply in response. imo, it is an open question whether the price action in late 2021/early 2022 is primarily a short-term reaction to the destruction of investment in 2020 or part of a longer-term cycle resulting from underinvestment from 2014 on. i'm betting on the latter, but as i said, i've been wrong on this stuff a lot, and there are people that know far more about oil markets than me on both sides of that debate.
so, anyways, leaving 2019 aside and turning to some of the subsequent comments, especially regarding who is and who isn't bringing new supply to market and why, my feelings are that most of the commentary for investors about having restraint and not flooding the market is complete bullshit. yes, investors are leery about companies pursuing growth, because they've been losing money for the last seven years and they're rough ridin' tired of it, and companies are somewhat responsive to that. but oil companies aren't going to leave $100 oil on the table because they think their little 30k barrels/day west texas play is going to crash the market. never have, never will. imo, and not necessarily in order, the reasons (especially us/canada shale) companies are a little slower to invest in bringing new production online than they might be are:
1. uncertainty about future oil price.
2. they don't have high quality land to drill (see the part about majors being quicker to add new production than independents - majors, in general have better opportunities)
3. they're still up to their ass in debt and covenants prevent them from spending on capex until they pay more back
4. they're lying to investors and are getting ready to drill, baby drill as we speak
5. sorta the same point as #1, but the saudis put the fear of god into them and it'll take a bit of shaking that off
6. peak oil demand/rapid ev adoption has made investing in longer-lived projects questionable
at any rate (and mostly for kk), my advice as an investor would be to sell too early rather than too late because there's no way in hell they don't produce themselves back into cheap oil again before too long.
Post by: sys on February 21, 2022, 10:50:43 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 22, 2022, 08:56:48 AM
Post by: sys on February 22, 2022, 11:12:01 AM
serious question but is there any reason to believe that the majors (and possibly even the minors to some extent) won't find a way to position themselves to corner the market on the raw materials needed for the EV market (lithium, molly, etc.)? At the end of the day these companies are essentially mining companies that are good at finding places where there are resources and then extracting them from the earth. Could they not just as easily pivot those operations to different materials? Like if Chevron decides they want to open up (or buy out an existing) lithium mining operation who is going to stand in their way?
i think they are pretty different skillsets. afaik, there aren't any sizable oil companies that are moving into rare earth metals mining. seems more like an arena that large mining companies could enter (and i think some have).
when vertically integrated majors have moved towards renewables, they seem to have mostly entered on the energy production side.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 22, 2022, 11:51:57 AM
serious question but is there any reason to believe that the majors (and possibly even the minors to some extent) won't find a way to position themselves to corner the market on the raw materials needed for the EV market (lithium, molly, etc.)? At the end of the day these companies are essentially mining companies that are good at finding places where there are resources and then extracting them from the earth. Could they not just as easily pivot those operations to different materials? Like if Chevron decides they want to open up (or buy out an existing) lithium mining operation who is going to stand in their way?
i think they are pretty different skillsets. afaik, there aren't any sizable oil companies that are moving into rare earth metals mining. seems more like an arena that large mining companies could enter (and i think some have).
when vertically integrated majors have moved towards renewables, they seem to have mostly entered on the energy production side.
fair enough. I mean i realize that when they get crude, only a small percentage of it is used to make gasoline and the majority of it is used for like everything else imaginable...paving roads, car tires, diapers, etc. So there's no reason to think that even if demand for gasoline just completely falls off the table that they would stop using crude. I just...i dunno, these companies don't seem like the types who are just going to give up market share without a fight. As of now, they are responsible for producing what makes cars go. If something else starts making cars go I have a hard time believing they're just going to shrug their shoulders and say oh well.
Post by: sys on February 22, 2022, 06:32:50 PM
Post by: tdaver on February 22, 2022, 09:44:48 PM
serious question but is there any reason to believe that the majors (and possibly even the minors to some extent) won't find a way to position themselves to corner the market on the raw materials needed for the EV market (lithium, molly, etc.)? At the end of the day these companies are essentially mining companies that are good at finding places where there are resources and then extracting them from the earth. Could they not just as easily pivot those operations to different materials? Like if Chevron decides they want to open up (or buy out an existing) lithium mining operation who is going to stand in their way?
i think they are pretty different skillsets. afaik, there aren't any sizable oil companies that are moving into rare earth metals mining. seems more like an arena that large mining companies could enter (and i think some have).
when vertically integrated majors have moved towards renewables, they seem to have mostly entered on the energy production side.
fair enough. I mean i realize that when they get crude, only a small percentage of it is used to make gasoline and the majority of it is used for like everything else imaginable...paving roads, car tires, diapers, etc. So there's no reason to think that even if demand for gasoline just completely falls off the table that they would stop using crude. I just...i dunno, these companies don't seem like the types who are just going to give up market share without a fight. As of now, they are responsible for producing what makes cars go. If something else starts making cars go I have a hard time believing they're just going to shrug their shoulders and say oh well.
Gasoline yield is close to 50% and diesel/jet is another 40%. All those other products are secondary for most refiners. There’s been major investment in renewable diesel recently because they can repurpose existing assets, the technology isn’t really that different, and the product is fungible with their current product. Can’t say that about other renewables. But I agree that the ExxonMobiles of the world won’t just sit back and watch. They’ll have to jump into something new at some point.
Post by: Katpappy on February 22, 2022, 10:02:47 PM
Post by: sys on February 26, 2022, 10:57:50 PM
https://twitter.com/Blake_Allen13/status/1497795515202916352
Post by: Kat Kid on February 26, 2022, 11:09:55 PM
Post by: chum1 on February 27, 2022, 07:26:16 AM
Post by: sys on February 27, 2022, 12:38:26 PM
Did you read the statement?
the tweet i linked accurately represents what is said. what are you driving at?
Post by: Kat Kid on February 27, 2022, 03:26:09 PM
I don’t think the tweet accurately represents the statement. It is very clear from the statement that they said Putin is responsible for this. The DSA is an American organization tho, so it makes sense to to focus on offering up ideas for what they think America should do. It is very possible to believe NATO is a contributing cause to the tensions with Russia and that Russia is to blame for this war.Did you read the statement?
the tweet i linked accurately represents what is said. what are you driving at?
Post by: sys on February 27, 2022, 04:00:08 PM
i posted it here because it's an incredibly stupid thing to believe and i'd like people to know how stupid dsa is.
Post by: steve dave on February 27, 2022, 08:25:42 PM
Post by: sys on March 01, 2022, 10:31:09 PM
I have to say, I doubt Jessica Cisneros would have the FBI turning up at her house.
But I'm glad Cuellar got re-elected so we could protect that dem seat from going red.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/19/henry-cuellar-fbi/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/19/henry-cuellar-fbi/)
Always blows my mind to see her name out in the wild. Well, sort of her name. Her actual name is Justicia.
today is the special election. looks like a good chance it will go to a runoff, but still a chance one candidate or the other will clear 50%.
Post by: sys on March 01, 2022, 10:39:59 PM
Post by: Spracne on March 01, 2022, 10:58:25 PM
compared to the 2020 primary, the northern (san antonio area) part of the district swung quite a bit towards cisneros and the southern part quite a bit towards cuellar. the changes are close to offsetting, but there's also a third candidate taking up 4-5% of the vote. hard to guess who those voters would prefer if forced to choose among the top two.
Keep me posted. You're literally my primary source of info.
Post by: sys on March 01, 2022, 11:09:34 PM
https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1498885460046884868
Post by: sys on March 02, 2022, 12:06:28 AM
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1498901894722433029
Post by: kim carnes on March 10, 2022, 02:43:41 PM
Yikes
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 10, 2022, 02:47:37 PM
Post by: Tobias on March 10, 2022, 02:50:15 PM
Post by: Spracne on March 10, 2022, 03:20:09 PM
@Spracne
Lol. It's very hard for me to take that Post article seriously. She is one of the most honest and forthright persons I've ever met. Did she have a relationship (as an adult) with a professor/mentor? I guess it's possible. I never heard of her hooking up with anyone in law school. This kinda seems like a hit piece and a gross invasion into her private life, even if true. What exactly is she being accused of, other than being gaslighted by an older man? She literally says, "You were my first and only," according to the allegations. Just another reminder why I could never run for office.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 10, 2022, 03:34:20 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 10, 2022, 03:43:53 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 10, 2022, 03:45:25 PM
Post by: Spracne on March 10, 2022, 03:50:35 PM
Post by: Tobias on March 10, 2022, 04:00:24 PM
Post by: kim carnes on March 10, 2022, 04:35:40 PM
Assuming the story is true, she is the victim. Placing blame on her or using this story to attack her character is wrong.
At the very least she is super weird for sleeping with a man 20+ years older than her. Also, from what I skimmed she was in college when this happened.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 10, 2022, 04:38:05 PM
Assuming the story is true, she is the victim. Placing blame on her or using this story to attack her character is wrong.
At the very least she is super weird for sleeping with a man 20+ years older than her. Also, from what I skimmed she was in college when this happened.
I don't think anyone would make that sort of statement if she were 17. And it's pretty much the same thing.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2022, 04:57:55 PM
Post by: Spracne on March 10, 2022, 05:16:21 PM
Assuming the story is true, she is the victim. Placing blame on her or using this story to attack her character is wrong.
At the very least she is super weird for sleeping with a man 20+ years older than her. Also, from what I skimmed she was in college when this happened.
Yeah, she is kind of a weird, awkward, but kind-hearted and funny girl. She also had a pretty rough upbringing, which I won't go into. Is it surprising that a 40+ year-old teacher/mentor could manipulate her into taking her virginity and then maintaining the emotional relationship? She's a very good person. Source: me.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 10, 2022, 05:18:40 PM
@Spracne
Lol. It's very hard for me to take that Post article seriously. She is one of the most honest and forthright persons I've ever met. Did she have a relationship (as an adult) with a professor/mentor? I guess it's possible. I never heard of her hooking up with anyone in law school. This kinda seems like a hit piece and a gross invasion into her private life, even if true. What exactly is she being accused of, other than being gaslighted by an older man? She literally says, "You were my first and only," according to the allegations. Just another reminder why I could never run for office.
Just me or is spracs outing himself as a world class pelt crusher itp?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 10, 2022, 08:12:21 PM
@Spracne
Lol. It's very hard for me to take that Post article seriously. She is one of the most honest and forthright persons I've ever met. Did she have a relationship (as an adult) with a professor/mentor? I guess it's possible. I never heard of her hooking up with anyone in law school. This kinda seems like a hit piece and a gross invasion into her private life, even if true. What exactly is she being accused of, other than being gaslighted by an older man? She literally says, "You were my first and only," according to the allegations. Just another reminder why I could never run for office.
Just me or is spracs outing himself as a world class pelt crusher itp?
It’s not so much about him crushing pelts (he does) but the fact that he sends (apparently discoverable) emails about it afterward
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2022, 11:59:05 PM
https://nypost.com/2022/03/10/aoc-backed-pol-had-affair-with-her-high-school-teacher/ (https://nypost.com/2022/03/10/aoc-backed-pol-had-affair-with-her-high-school-teacher/)
Yikes
Well done, kim carnes, cementing your rep as a sack of crap
Post by: kim carnes on March 11, 2022, 01:34:34 PM
https://nypost.com/2022/03/10/aoc-backed-pol-had-affair-with-her-high-school-teacher/ (https://nypost.com/2022/03/10/aoc-backed-pol-had-affair-with-her-high-school-teacher/)
Yikes
Well done, kim carnes, cementing your rep as a sack of crap
…
Post by: sys on April 07, 2022, 11:35:09 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2022, 05:18:31 AM
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"I support sanctions that target the murderous Putin regime, Russian oligarchs, and corporate fossil fuel executives profiting off human suffering. I opposed the House bill to ban oil imports from Russia because it fails to address the underlying problem of imposing sanctions that are not accompanied with a clear diplomatic process for de-escalation, incentives for a ceasefire, and a condition of withdrawal of Russian military forces in Ukraine. I also have deep concerns that the push for a statutory ban is being used to justify even more dangerous drilling at home and increased imports from other authoritarian governments like Saudi Arabia. This approach categorically makes our communities less safe, does nothing to jumpstart our transition to renewable energy, and further burdens regular, everyday people already financially strained by the ongoing pandemic and economic crisis. As people in St. Louis and across the country face skyrocketing gas and utility prices, the urgency to reign in industry profits, enact a Green New Deal, and transition to publicly owned renewable energy has never been higher.
“Our approach to the crisis in Ukraine must be rooted in ending human suffering, ensuring accountability, and creating pathways to peace and justice for all. That’s why last week, I voted in favor of H.Res 956, which strongly condemned Putin’s invasion and affirmed the United States’ support for the Ukrainian people. I am also proud to have supported swift action by Congress to provide billions of dollars in humanitarian aid to help the millions of refugees fleeing Ukraine – this is vital funding that will save lives.”
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“You see, Ukraine just kept poking the bear, and poking the bear, which is Russia, and Russia invaded,” the Georgia congresswoman said. “There is no win for Ukraine here. Russia is being successful in their invasion.”
Post by: sys on April 08, 2022, 07:35:43 AM
Post by: michigancat on April 08, 2022, 07:44:04 AM
Post by: sys on April 08, 2022, 09:50:53 PM
my feelings are that most of the commentary for investors about having restraint and not flooding the market is complete bullshit. yes, investors are leery about companies pursuing growth, because they've been losing money for the last seven years and they're rough ridin' tired of it, and companies are somewhat responsive to that. but oil companies aren't going to leave $100 oil on the table because they think their little 30k barrels/day west texas play is going to crash the market. never have, never will...
4. they're lying to investors and are getting ready to drill, baby drill as we speak
https://twitter.com/staunovo/status/1512486020058693634
you can really see the capital discipline/corporate greed in action in this graph.
Post by: sys on April 27, 2022, 07:29:47 PM
Post by: steve dave on April 27, 2022, 07:34:44 PM
https://twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/1519452814245871616Holy crap! It’s a who’s who of downgrades! Common ground thread!
Post by: MakeItRain on April 27, 2022, 11:36:07 PM
https://twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/1519452814245871616Holy crap! It’s a who’s who of downgrades! Common ground thread!
I bet a billion dollars that you agree with the reasoning of the dems who didn't vote for that.
Post by: michigancat on April 28, 2022, 06:39:21 AM
I bet sys would have too before he became the world's biggest fan of cops! (He wouldn't agree now though)https://twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/1519452814245871616Holy crap! It’s a who’s who of downgrades! Common ground thread!
I bet a billion dollars that you agree with the reasoning of the dems who didn't vote for that.
Post by: sys on April 28, 2022, 08:11:02 AM
Post by: CNS on April 28, 2022, 08:26:58 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 28, 2022, 08:40:34 AM
Seems like a slippery slope. "... derived in part through support for or corruption linked to Russia's Vladimir Putin". Is that not literally any Russian who has made one ruble in the past 30 yrs?
It also includes people like MTG and Tucker Carlson.
Post by: michigancat on April 28, 2022, 08:48:46 AM
https://twitter.com/CommonestMan/status/1519594996889923586
Post by: michigancat on April 28, 2022, 10:20:02 AM
https://twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/1519690178234880006
Post by: catastrophe on April 28, 2022, 11:39:19 AM
don't know if it is confirmed that this is the rationale but a general stance against asset seizure without due process would make sense. If it's because they love Russia like MTG that would be more of a problem but we all know that's not what's happeningThis is kinda funny because I made the same argument weeks ago. If we’re going to continue with civil asset forfeiture as it exists today, it makes no sense not to use it here.
https://twitter.com/CommonestMan/status/1519594996889923586
By the same token, I’m like 99% sure that those opposing the Russian sanctions have zero intention of reforming current civil asset forfeiture laws.
Post by: MakeItRain on April 28, 2022, 12:16:43 PM
i don't know what ridiculous reasons they gave, but i almost certainly disagree with them now and would have ten years ago as well.
You do know, it's the same reasoning I posted last time you posted almost the same thing for a similar bill.
Post by: michigancat on April 28, 2022, 02:03:38 PM
don't know if it is confirmed that this is the rationale but a general stance against asset seizure without due process would make sense. If it's because they love Russia like MTG that would be more of a problem but we all know that's not what's happeningThis is kinda funny because I made the same argument weeks ago. If we’re going to continue with civil asset forfeiture as it exists today, it makes no sense not to use it here.
https://twitter.com/CommonestMan/status/1519594996889923586
By the same token, I’m like 99% sure that those opposing the Russian sanctions have zero intention of reforming current civil asset forfeiture laws.
you don't think AOC would like to change civil asset forfeiture laws???
Post by: Spracne on April 28, 2022, 02:23:13 PM
Post by: sys on May 01, 2022, 06:40:30 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2022, 08:38:09 PM
https://twitter.com/I_AmOzymandias/status/1520780845002407938
Why is this libertarian cockroach in this thread supposedly devoted to us true leftists?
Post by: sys on May 11, 2022, 08:53:54 PM
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1524210044723773441
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 12, 2022, 08:22:59 AM
Post by: CNS on May 12, 2022, 08:35:19 AM
Kinda like the GOP loved Paygo.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 12, 2022, 09:05:53 AM
I would have voted no too
Why?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 12, 2022, 09:16:47 AM
We should probably focus more on ourselves right now, with record inflation going on and the worst presidency oat. Instead of spending people's tax dollars on a war that we have zero to do with. :th_twocents:I would have voted no too
Why?
Post by: star seed 7 on May 12, 2022, 09:22:57 AM
We should probably focus more on ourselves right now, with record inflation going on and the worst presidency oat. Instead of spending people's tax dollars on a war that we have zero to do with. :th_twocents:I would have voted no too
Why?
I don't agree but fair enough :thumbs:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 12, 2022, 09:27:38 AM
Post by: mocat on May 12, 2022, 10:44:22 AM
I would be interested in looking at something that required us to fund that out of our current defense bill.
Kinda like the GOP loved Paygo.
yeah it is kind of infuriating that our hilariously gigantic military budget doesn't have a few quid lying around to help fund the defense of a haphazard invasion
Post by: LickNeckey on May 12, 2022, 11:28:34 AM
We should probably focus more on ourselves right now, with record inflation going on and the worst presidency oat. Instead of spending people's tax dollars on a war that we have zero to do with. :th_twocents:I would have voted no too
Why?
I don't agree but fair enough :thumbs:
i was talking with a friend (who is very conservative) the other day about how strongly partisan lenses color our perception of the world right now
Post by: CNS on May 12, 2022, 11:46:14 AM
I would be interested in looking at something that required us to fund that out of our current defense bill.
Kinda like the GOP loved Paygo.
yeah it is kind of infuriating that our hilariously gigantic military budget doesn't have a few quid lying around to help fund the defense of a haphazard invasion
Should be priced in. We give money, aid, weapons to countries all the time in the name of diplomacy. Which, imo, is part of defense. It seems to be a savings even. Someone else is fighting the war we are constantly preparing for. We should get a labor deduct on this change order.
Post by: kim carnes on May 12, 2022, 11:46:29 AM
Post by: CNS on May 12, 2022, 11:47:25 AM
I don’t know the details of what’s in it, but the amount is rather large, 40B is almost 25% of their 2020 GDP
Sounds like we are buying the Ukraine dip. We should just quadruple it and buy Ukraine.
Post by: sys on May 12, 2022, 08:25:43 PM
https://twitter.com/conlon_chris/status/1524830969878007808
Post by: Kat Kid on May 12, 2022, 09:15:16 PM
Post by: steve dave on May 12, 2022, 09:22:33 PM
Post by: sys on May 12, 2022, 09:30:35 PM
I also don’t like Liz warren sys.
somehow they tricked feinstein into cosponsoring this trash too. an embarrassment for californians and moderates alike.
Post by: steve dave on May 12, 2022, 09:44:06 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on May 12, 2022, 10:24:25 PM
Feinstein is barely sentient.I also don’t like Liz warren sys.
somehow they tricked feinstein into cosponsoring this trash too. an embarrassment for californians and moderates alike.
Post by: sys on May 12, 2022, 10:41:25 PM
Post by: michigancat on May 13, 2022, 07:29:23 AM
when she comes on squawk box kernan gets so rough ridin' horny to dunk on her and HE SHOULD because it's so easy and soy boy andy get's lmao flustered. it's incredibly car wreck tv. obviously they don't let santelli be on the air within an hour block of it because of the slurs or whatever. but you can imagine if they did.
Would be amazing. I'm always blown away that like Senators and Treasury secretaries agree to talk to those goofballs
Post by: michigancat on May 13, 2022, 07:46:11 AM
My former neighbor Ro Khanna is a good guestwhen she comes on squawk box kernan gets so rough ridin' horny to dunk on her and HE SHOULD because it's so easy and soy boy andy get's lmao flustered. it's incredibly car wreck tv. obviously they don't let santelli be on the air within an hour block of it because of the slurs or whatever. but you can imagine if they did.
Would be amazing. I'm always blown away that like Senators and Treasury secretaries agree to talk to those goofballs
Post by: michigancat on May 13, 2022, 07:51:41 AM
He and Kernen were just planning their presidential ticketMy former neighbor Ro Khanna is a good guestwhen she comes on squawk box kernan gets so rough ridin' horny to dunk on her and HE SHOULD because it's so easy and soy boy andy get's lmao flustered. it's incredibly car wreck tv. obviously they don't let santelli be on the air within an hour block of it because of the slurs or whatever. but you can imagine if they did.
Would be amazing. I'm always blown away that like Senators and Treasury secretaries agree to talk to those goofballs
Post by: steve dave on May 13, 2022, 07:53:07 AM
He and Kernen were just planning their presidential ticketMy former neighbor Ro Khanna is a good guestwhen she comes on squawk box kernan gets so rough ridin' horny to dunk on her and HE SHOULD because it's so easy and soy boy andy get's lmao flustered. it's incredibly car wreck tv. obviously they don't let santelli be on the air within an hour block of it because of the slurs or whatever. but you can imagine if they did.
Would be amazing. I'm always blown away that like Senators and Treasury secretaries agree to talk to those goofballs
joe said he could secure the MAGA vote, lmao
Post by: michigancat on May 13, 2022, 07:58:41 AM
He and Kernen were just planning their presidential ticketMy former neighbor Ro Khanna is a good guestwhen she comes on squawk box kernan gets so rough ridin' horny to dunk on her and HE SHOULD because it's so easy and soy boy andy get's lmao flustered. it's incredibly car wreck tv. obviously they don't let santelli be on the air within an hour block of it because of the slurs or whatever. but you can imagine if they did.
Would be amazing. I'm always blown away that like Senators and Treasury secretaries agree to talk to those goofballs
joe said he could secure the MAGA vote, lmao
this is exactly the type of content that I'm willing to watch millions of shark tank and oat milk ads to get
Post by: MakeItRain on May 13, 2022, 11:12:58 AM
people voted for this piece of crap.
https://twitter.com/conlon_chris/status/1524830969878007808
That's awesome, of course it didn't stand a shot but glad someone is doing something to try to stop corporate greed from contouring our ruin. We won't enforce actual laws on that books like Robinson-Patman, gotta to something. In that chain Conlon points out that Kroger has -2% gross income growth but even with that they still have a 20% gross profit margin for 2022.
Post by: sys on May 13, 2022, 04:13:11 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 13, 2022, 07:28:43 PM
good grief, mir.
good grief, what :dunno:
Post by: sys on May 13, 2022, 09:29:05 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 14, 2022, 11:21:04 AM
price controls have a pretty long record of failure.
So we should do nothing? The amount of profit that large corporations are racking up on the backs of smaller businesses and a shrinking middle class is tantamount to price fixing. I know you're a proud and devoted capitalist but our not only lack of regulating corporate America, but tilting the scales for them is hardly the model of capitalism this country was founded on. What's the fix, sys?
Post by: sys on May 14, 2022, 05:34:50 PM
The amount of profit that large corporations are racking up on the backs of smaller businesses and a shrinking middle class is tantamount to price fixing.
no it's not.
What's the fix, sys?
i don't know what specific problem you want to fix. if you mean inflation generally, it's bringing supply and demand into balance. increasing supply is less painful than reducing demand so things like price controls, which tend to freeze or reduce supply make the problem worse.
Post by: sys on May 15, 2022, 09:26:41 PM
https://twitter.com/FuzzySkeptic/status/1526020750506962944
Post by: Kat Kid on May 16, 2022, 08:41:32 AM
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Post by: sys on May 16, 2022, 10:28:04 AM
Post by: sys on May 16, 2022, 10:31:35 AM
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1526221769899753473
Post by: Kat Kid on May 16, 2022, 10:46:31 AM
china is many things, but it's nothing at all like populist. agree that excluding lula seems like cherry-picking the data. don't know enough about allende to comment.Was Mao a populist?
Post by: sys on May 16, 2022, 11:03:55 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on May 16, 2022, 11:36:42 AM
i'd have to read some history to render a verdict, but i don't think it's terribly necessary to the judgement that from at least deng on, china has not been populist.Ton of gdp growth under mao too.
Post by: sys on May 16, 2022, 12:33:39 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on May 16, 2022, 12:38:36 PM
i'm happy to put mao-era china alongside allende's chile in the "i don't know enough to agree, but i trust your characterization enough not to disagree" category.Thanks! Let’s run those numbers.
Post by: sys on May 16, 2022, 02:58:56 PM
https://twitter.com/AlanMCole/status/1526198195298217991
Post by: kim carnes on May 16, 2022, 06:03:51 PM
Post by: CHONGS on May 16, 2022, 08:07:17 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 18, 2022, 02:01:11 AM
nice piece addressing the warren price controls bill (no paywall).
https://twitter.com/AlanMCole/status/1526198195298217991
I read that whole thing, looking for a solution and sadly I didn't find one. Certainly there's a fix somewhere in those cute charts, right?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 20, 2022, 07:13:58 AM
https://twitter.com/realdailywire/status/1527403742277951488?s=21&t=PdnAtavG9wTvlIeGUZbwoQ
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 20, 2022, 08:44:14 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 20, 2022, 09:41:30 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 20, 2022, 09:44:57 AM
She could do betterShe married a cyclone.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 20, 2022, 09:56:50 AM
She could do better
much
Post by: Spracne on May 20, 2022, 01:53:18 PM
Post by: sys on May 23, 2022, 11:36:53 PM
it's going to a runoff.
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1498901894722433029
resolution on this coming tomorrow. for reference, predictit has cisneros as a slight favorite tonight.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 24, 2022, 12:36:58 AM
Post by: Spracne on May 24, 2022, 02:36:53 AM
I hope she gets his trash ass up outta here.
I am monitoring these developments. Also, went and got trashed on a Monday. :eek:
Post by: sys on May 24, 2022, 07:56:09 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1529256986671456256
Post by: sys on May 24, 2022, 09:37:18 PM
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1529289124452122625
Post by: Spracne on May 24, 2022, 09:40:16 PM
Post by: sys on May 24, 2022, 09:50:55 PM
Post by: sys on May 24, 2022, 10:18:02 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1529299927033073664
Post by: Kat Kid on May 24, 2022, 10:19:48 PM
Post by: sys on May 24, 2022, 10:52:27 PM
https://twitter.com/TXElects/status/1529307581826715649
Post by: sys on May 24, 2022, 11:55:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1529324810911854598?s=20&t=OZFd-MqCzF58qbz7kbpA5g
Post by: catastrophe on May 25, 2022, 10:32:55 AM
Post by: Spracne on May 25, 2022, 10:34:20 AM
Post by: michigancat on May 25, 2022, 10:35:44 AM
In Trumpian fashion, Cuellar has already declared victory.Horseshoe!
Post by: chum1 on May 25, 2022, 10:38:03 AM
https://twitter.com/McCormackJohn/status/1529330186298212352
Post by: Justwin on May 25, 2022, 10:39:14 AM
Post by: sys on May 25, 2022, 02:36:56 PM
That’s amazing. Surely that’s an automatic recount scenario?
no auto recount; a candidate has to request a recount (and pay for it).
Post by: MakeItRain on May 25, 2022, 02:47:43 PM
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1529303844030754816
She ain't lyin.' It's time for her to come home and go green, she doesn't need them anymore.
Post by: Spracne on May 25, 2022, 02:50:26 PM
Post by: sys on June 02, 2022, 05:24:52 PM
https://twitter.com/ajamubaraka/status/1532165603531886593
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2022, 06:10:17 PM
man, that 2016 green party ticket was such trash.
https://twitter.com/ajamubaraka/status/1532165603531886593
Flaming
Post by: sys on June 02, 2022, 08:56:30 PM
Curtis Yarvin (Mencius Moldbug) is a piece of crap
https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1532539723012403200
Post by: Kat Kid on June 02, 2022, 09:29:42 PM
What kind of horseshoe is this?Curtis Yarvin (Mencius Moldbug) is a piece of crap
https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1532539723012403200
Post by: sys on June 03, 2022, 08:47:25 AM
What kind of horseshoe is this?
we're gonna need new and stronger theories.
Post by: MakeItRain on June 05, 2022, 03:35:44 PM
man, that 2016 green party ticket was such trash.
https://twitter.com/ajamubaraka/status/1532165603531886593
cry. Maybe the Dems should fix their rough ridin' crap. Pubs don't cry about Libertarians.
Post by: catastrophe on June 05, 2022, 03:53:32 PM
Today’s Republicans don’t really vote based on policy, so there’s no risk of losing votes to other policy-aligned parties.man, that 2016 green party ticket was such trash.
https://twitter.com/ajamubaraka/status/1532165603531886593
cry. Maybe the Dems should fix their rough ridin' crap. Pubs don't cry about Libertarians.
If anything, Republicans love Libertarianism because they can pretend they’re just ideologically in favor of small government whenever they want to avoid helping the underprivileged.
Post by: sys on June 09, 2022, 07:26:43 PM
https://twitter.com/PramilaJayapal/status/1534901635561955329
Post by: MakeItRain on June 09, 2022, 09:14:12 PM
Post by: 8manpick on June 10, 2022, 07:21:19 AM
Post by: 8manpick on June 10, 2022, 07:21:30 AM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 10, 2022, 05:06:53 PM
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1535114713440436227?s=21&t=_rnqYKJI3ZanukbCjgHwiQ
Post by: steve dave on June 10, 2022, 05:50:25 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 10, 2022, 06:07:07 PM
Post by: 8manpick on June 11, 2022, 11:16:24 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220611/6a698cd231f6619de99046b8f2a19fa6.jpg)
Heh.
Post by: I_have_purplewood on July 06, 2022, 10:08:10 PM
:whistle1: (ftp://:whistle1:)
Post by: Spracne on July 06, 2022, 10:12:27 PM
Post by: OB_Won on July 06, 2022, 11:40:11 PM
She's a very attractive female human person.So you’d like to see if she’d make a good fit on your staff?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 07, 2022, 09:30:46 AM
Post by: _33 on July 07, 2022, 09:51:48 AM
AOC PI’ing ‘pub congresspeople today:
https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1535114713440436227?s=21&t=_rnqYKJI3ZanukbCjgHwiQ
Yeah but 10 out of 10 of them are in a democratic run country. (I would be an amazing politician on Twitter)
Post by: Spracne on July 07, 2022, 02:13:25 PM
Spracne is mega horny for AOC, bro tells us on the daily.
Guilty as charged. Unlike some on the right who feel ashamed to admit it, I have the courage to do so.
Cowards!
Post by: Katpappy on July 07, 2022, 02:51:43 PM
Post by: steve dave on July 07, 2022, 02:54:58 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on July 07, 2022, 03:07:13 PM
Post by: Spracne on July 07, 2022, 03:08:23 PM
The real question are you ready to put AOC on your staff. Might be hard to do.
Have you seen that mongo she just got engaged to?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 07, 2022, 11:00:36 PM
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Post by: chum1 on July 08, 2022, 08:49:12 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 08, 2022, 08:53:36 AM
He's probably an intellectual type and she's probably into that.Devastating pipe layer
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on July 08, 2022, 10:08:24 AM
probs has early signs of throat cancerHe's probably an intellectual type and she's probably into that.Devastating pipe layer
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2022, 09:39:14 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/aoc-wanted-to-deck-man-lewd-comments-about-her-body-2022-7
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1547397629260226560
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 14, 2022, 03:16:24 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 14, 2022, 04:52:42 PM
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Post by: nicname on July 14, 2022, 05:25:29 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 14, 2022, 05:27:23 PM
Never really saw any AOC body shots. Never really did it for me in the face. Consider me reformed. She’s a brick house. Her dude looks like Canelo Alvarez.
Would you travel to the capitol, on a weekday, stalk her until you found out where she would be and then film yourself being very creepy and incelly towards her?
Post by: nicname on July 14, 2022, 05:32:55 PM
Never really saw any AOC body shots. Never really did it for me in the face. Consider me reformed. She’s a brick house. Her dude looks like Canelo Alvarez.
Would you travel to the capitol, on a weekday, stalk her until you found out where she would be and then film yourself being very creepy and incelly towards her?
Nope.
Post by: Spracne on July 14, 2022, 05:35:57 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 14, 2022, 05:36:26 PM
Never really saw any AOC body shots. Never really did it for me in the face. Consider me reformed. She’s a brick house. Her dude looks like Canelo Alvarez.
Would you travel to the capitol, on a weekday, stalk her until you found out where she would be and then film yourself being very creepy and incelly towards her?
Nope.
fully assimilated
Post by: Katpappy on July 15, 2022, 04:30:27 AM
I don't know who that guy is. But whoever he is, I will track him down. I will find him. And I will give him a swirlie for disrespecting my gal like that.
OH crap!!! Which hole are you giving him the swirlie? :horrorsurprise:
Post by: nicname on July 15, 2022, 09:27:30 AM
I don't know who that guy is. But whoever he is, I will track him down. I will find him. And I will give him a swirlie for disrespecting my gal like that.
OH crap!!! Which hole are you giving him the swirlie? :horrorsurprise:
Probably the he toilet, freak
Post by: DQ12 on July 15, 2022, 01:51:10 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 15, 2022, 02:12:01 PM
I don't love AOC's politics, but I appreciate her earnestness and her stunning beauty.
her university is known as an absolute elite school for physical beauty
Post by: MakeItRain on July 15, 2022, 10:21:15 PM
Post by: steve dave on July 15, 2022, 11:41:35 PM
I don't love AOC's politics, but I appreciate her earnestness and her stunning beauty.She’s the hot AF and good at social media Bernie Sanders
Post by: Katpappy on July 15, 2022, 11:47:48 PM
I don't love AOC's politics, but I appreciate her earnestness and her stunning beauty.She’s the hot AF and good at social media Bernie Sanders
Bernie's more than just a pretty brain.
Post by: sys on July 26, 2022, 04:07:25 PM
decent chance you'll soon be the poster with the closest relationship to a member of congress (pending sd's disclosure of whatever weirdo reason he doesn't detest ben sasse like everyone else in the world).
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1551586979388833794
Post by: catastrophe on July 26, 2022, 04:19:23 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on July 27, 2022, 07:52:00 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 27, 2022, 09:20:35 AM
Magas strongly identify with cucks so that’s an automatic 10 pts for ol’ Ted
His obesity and hatred of exercise is a pretty big bump with trumpers also
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on July 27, 2022, 11:54:35 AM
Magas strongly identify with cucks so that’s an automatic 10 pts for ol’ Ted
His obesity and hatred of exercise is a pretty big bump with trumpers also
its sad to say, but like, tell any maga "hey, even though you are obese and are doing absolutely nothing to fix it...would you like to walk out on a stage with a smoke machine and light show and tell a crowd of people "my pronouns are KISS MY ASS!" its like, to a man, their collective wet dream. Cruz is the living embodiment of their idea of a maga success story. they love him because they would love to do all the cringey stupid crap he does and just by looking at him they know that its an actually attainable dream.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 27, 2022, 10:12:26 PM
https://twitter.com/JHWeissmann/status/1552322363496316929?s=20&t=bpO1sSgQDB6js4ihQZ-fOw
Post by: sys on July 27, 2022, 10:15:06 PM
Post by: steve dave on July 27, 2022, 10:15:55 PM
Post by: Katpappy on July 28, 2022, 12:48:37 AM
I don't love AOC's politics, but I appreciate her earnestness and her stunning beauty.
her university is known as an absolute elite school for physical beauty
I googled AOC on maga utube and this is what popped up.
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=o7xqorWi9Lw&feature=share
Post by: Katpappy on July 28, 2022, 01:13:37 AM
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=KP8AfcFftSI&feature=share
Post by: Institutional Control on August 02, 2022, 10:03:25 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 18, 2022, 09:43:14 PM
https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/aoc-climate-change-film-flops-makes-roughly-80-per-theatre-on-opening-weekend-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-rachael-lears
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 13, 2023, 03:00:02 PM
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 13, 2023, 03:22:21 PM
My favorite thing about Wacky is that he fails to understand even the most rudimentary parts of what he talks about.
and the bombastic confidence he exudes despite that fact. its the stuff of legend.
Post by: DreamWeaver69 on January 13, 2023, 03:25:38 PM
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Post by: sys on January 16, 2023, 10:22:15 AM
https://twitter.com/DinaPomeranz/status/1614923553501052928
Post by: michigancat on January 16, 2023, 10:31:09 AM
i didn't see a great thread to drop this in, so i'll put it here since one of the most annoying things about progressives is their inability to admit how easy life is in the united states of america and how we all hit the lottery by having been born here.Kinda wild we can't give everyone health care for free with that much wealth
https://twitter.com/DinaPomeranz/status/1614923553501052928
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 16, 2023, 10:34:52 AM
i didn't see a great thread to drop this in, so i'll put it here since one of the most annoying things about progressives is their inability to admit how easy life is in the united states of america and how we all hit the lottery by having been born here.Kinda wild we can't give everyone health care for free with that much wealth
https://twitter.com/DinaPomeranz/status/1614923553501052928
Can’t or won’t?
Post by: catastrophe on January 16, 2023, 10:45:13 AM
i didn't see a great thread to drop this in, so i'll put it here since one of the most annoying things about progressives is their inability to admit how easy life is in the united states of america and how we all hit the lottery by having been born here.
https://twitter.com/DinaPomeranz/status/1614923553501052928
That's a really funny observation because I consider myself a moderate and I think this phenomenon is much more pronounced in conservatives. Those are the folks that seem most resistant to contributing any of "their hard earned money" because they're entitled to every single thing they have and that people in any other circumstance could get to the same place if they just worked hard enough.
At least within my bubble, the people who acknowledge they were incredibly lucky to end up with the life/income/housing they have are also more supportive of social welfare programs and foreign aid.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 16, 2023, 10:56:13 AM
The needle has moved. The questions has now moved into why should I pay more when nearly every facet of my participation in modern American life is tax'd and fee'd to the hilt.
This is the strawman the #blueanon moves to whenever there's resistance to even more taxation.
Particularly laughable knowing that many of #blueanon's thought and political leaders, as well as #blueanon most favored megacorps who are some of the biggest tax dodgers in the world.
Post by: catastrophe on January 16, 2023, 11:08:52 AM
Particularly laughable knowing that many of #blueanon's thought and political leaders, as well as #blueanon most favored megacorps who are some of the biggest tax dodgers in the world.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/taxes/twice-many-companies-paying-zero-taxes-under-trump-tax-plan-n993046
Quote
At least 60 companies reported that their 2018 federal tax rates amounted to effectively zero, or even less than zero, on income earned on U.S. operations, according to an analysis released today by the Washington, D.C.-based think tank, the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. The number is more than twice as many as ITEP found roughly, per year, on average in an earlier, multi-year analysis before the new tax law went into effect.
Among them are household names like technology giant Amazon.com Inc. and entertainment streaming service Netflix Inc., in addition to global oil giant Chevron Corp., pharmaceutical manufacturer Eli Lilly and Co., and farming and commercial equipment manufacturer Deere & Co.
The identified companies were "able to zero out their federal income taxes on $79 billion in U.S. pretax income," according to the ITEP report, which was released today. "Instead of paying $16.4 billion in taxes, as the new 21 percent corporate tax rate requires, these companies enjoyed a net corporate tax rebate of $4.3 billion, blowing a $20.7 billion hole in the federal budget last year." To compile the list, ITEP analyzed the 2018 financial filings of the country's largest 560 publicly-held companies.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 16, 2023, 11:23:56 AM
i didn't see a great thread to drop this in, so i'll put it here since one of the most annoying things about progressives is their inability to admit how easy life is in the united states of america and how we all hit the lottery by having been born here.
https://twitter.com/DinaPomeranz/status/1614923553501052928
You're serious about this? I'm not even going to go in on how flawed that tool is, it's a joke.
There are so many Americans and more importantly American families that have an income well below $60,000 that are subjected to buy the same products, at the same prices, as people that make 10x that.
I'm a tax paying citizen in the United States, if I want my tax dollars to be better utilized to help people who haven't been as fortunate as I am, what the hell does that have to do with what's happening in Papua New Guinea?
How many of those governments in those other countries do a better job of taking care of their poorer citizens?
This is the list of countries outside of Europe with universal health care:
Algeria
Botswana
Burkina Faso
Egypt
Ghana
Mauritius
Morocco
Rwanda
Seychelles
South Africa
Tunisia
Bhutan
China
Hong Kong
India
Indonesia
Israel
Japan
Kuwait
Macau
Malaysia
Pakistan
Philippines
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
South Korea
Sri Lanka
Taiwan
Thailand
UAE
Bahamas
Canada
Costa Rica
Cuba
Mexico
Trinidad and Tobago
Argentina
Brazil
Chile
Colombia
Peru
Suriname
Australia
New Zealand
82 sovereign nations with universal healthcare, were in the half of the world that charges poor people for being sick and we're supposed to turn flips because more people make $60,000 in the untied states than in Pakistan? Naw eff that.
I'm sure the parent making $18 an hour slaughtering cows, to keep the heat on, will take solace knowing he would be middle class in Myanmar.
Even when I was dirt poor, living in a tin can trailer with a pay phone as a house phone, I was a proud American. When I had to sleep in my car in college, I still was a proud American.
I'm now extremely comfortable and I'm still a proud American but I still want us to be better at taking care of people as comfortable as me, despite the economics of Honduras.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 16, 2023, 11:39:42 AM
I guess they are worried if the ultra rich have to pay their fair share then the wealth will stop trickling down, like it absolutely is doing now and has been doing since 1980.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 16, 2023, 11:55:54 AM
Particularly laughable knowing that many of #blueanon's thought and political leaders, as well as #blueanon most favored megacorps who are some of the biggest tax dodgers in the world.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/taxes/twice-many-companies-paying-zero-taxes-under-trump-tax-plan-n993046QuoteAt least 60 companies reported that their 2018 federal tax rates amounted to effectively zero, or even less than zero, on income earned on U.S. operations, according to an analysis released today by the Washington, D.C.-based think tank, the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. The number is more than twice as many as ITEP found roughly, per year, on average in an earlier, multi-year analysis before the new tax law went into effect.
Among them are household names like technology giant Amazon.com Inc. and entertainment streaming service Netflix Inc., in addition to global oil giant Chevron Corp., pharmaceutical manufacturer Eli Lilly and Co., and farming and commercial equipment manufacturer Deere & Co.
The identified companies were "able to zero out their federal income taxes on $79 billion in U.S. pretax income," according to the ITEP report, which was released today. "Instead of paying $16.4 billion in taxes, as the new 21 percent corporate tax rate requires, these companies enjoyed a net corporate tax rebate of $4.3 billion, blowing a $20.7 billion hole in the federal budget last year." To compile the list, ITEP analyzed the 2018 financial filings of the country's largest 560 publicly-held companies.
You won't and wouldn't see a single one of those companies stepping up and being ready to say that they're going to change their accounting because they want to actually have to pay billions of dollars in Federal taxes.
So thanks for 1. Affirming what I said 2. Bringing your usual strawman with Trump
I won't even get into the anti-competition component of more taxes on business when it's the larger ones who have the horsepower and the accountants, lawyers and strategists to work in thousands of loopholes and work arounds, while smaller companies do not. It would just be more #blueanon virtue signaling that in the end, favors their most favored megacorps.
Post by: catastrophe on January 16, 2023, 12:07:52 PM
Post by: nicname on January 16, 2023, 12:24:49 PM
Contentment > desire
Taxation takes from the poor and gives to the rich.
Post by: nicname on January 16, 2023, 12:34:14 PM
Charity > taxation
Contentment > desire
Taxation takes from the poor and gives to the rich.
Generally takes from the poor, but always gives to the rich/powerful.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 16, 2023, 12:40:59 PM
Charity > taxation
Contentment > desire
Taxation takes from the poor and gives to the rich.
Taxation mostly pays for the military, infrastructure, social security, and children.
Post by: Justwin on January 16, 2023, 12:58:42 PM
Charity > taxation
Contentment > desire
Taxation takes from the poor and gives to the rich.
Taxation mostly pays for the military, infrastructure, social security, and children.
Not sure what you are including in the children portion, but at the federal level, there is very little spending on children. The federal budget is generally spent on Social Security, defense, interest, Medicare and Medicaid. Some of the Medicaid spending is spent on children, but a fair bit of Medicaid spending is on nursing home care.
Post by: Cire on January 16, 2023, 01:04:47 PM
Not sure if that is true though.
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Post by: sys on January 16, 2023, 01:08:18 PM
Kinda wild we can't give everyone health care for free with that much wealth
well we spend about 19% of gdp on health care because we refuse to rein in costs and we don't want anyone who makes less than 400k/year to pay taxes, so it's really not that wild.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 16, 2023, 01:09:48 PM
Charity > taxation
Contentment > desire
Taxation takes from the poor and gives to the rich.
Taxation mostly pays for the military, infrastructure, social security, and children.
Not sure what you are including in the children portion, but at the federal level, there is very little spending on children. The federal budget is generally spent on Social Security, defense, interest, Medicare and Medicaid. Some of the Medicaid spending is spent on children, but a fair bit of Medicaid spending is on nursing home care.
Not all of your taxation is at the federal level. And the feds pay for school lunches, pell grants, student loans, etc.
Post by: michigancat on January 16, 2023, 01:13:48 PM
Kinda wild we can't give everyone health care for free with that much wealth
well we spend about 19% of gdp on health care because we refuse to rein in costs and we don't want anyone who makes less than 400k/year to pay taxes, so it's really not that wild.
I mean it's kind of wild that everyone(?) is happy with what you described
Post by: sys on January 16, 2023, 01:17:47 PM
There are so many Americans and more importantly American families that have an income well below $60,000.
yes, it's true that most american households do not have an income greater than $60k per person, and thus are not wealthier than 99% of all other humans on earth.
I still want us to be better at taking care of people as comfortable as me.
there's nothing wrong with wanting american goverance to be better, but if your opening move is to inaccurately describe how well we live in this country then i, at least, will have a hard time believing that any subsequent analysis isn't similarly mistaken or dishonest.
Post by: sys on January 16, 2023, 01:19:49 PM
One thing I find absolutely astonishing is that the (extremely radical) green new deal (proposed by AOC) would only start to negatively impact (and by that I mean they would have to pay a higher percentage of their income as tax) people who make over TEN MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
i think a lot of people would say that not having a realistic mechanism to pay for the proposed measures is a flaw, not a selling point.
Post by: Justwin on January 16, 2023, 01:20:43 PM
Charity > taxation
Contentment > desire
Taxation takes from the poor and gives to the rich.
Taxation mostly pays for the military, infrastructure, social security, and children.
Not sure what you are including in the children portion, but at the federal level, there is very little spending on children. The federal budget is generally spent on Social Security, defense, interest, Medicare and Medicaid. Some of the Medicaid spending is spent on children, but a fair bit of Medicaid spending is on nursing home care.
Not all of your taxation is at the federal level. And the feds pay for school lunches, pell grants, student loans, etc.
Pell grants and student loans do not go to children.
If you include state taxation, then a decent portion does go to children. You still need to include Medicare and Medicaid on your list of things taxation mostly pays for.
Post by: sys on January 16, 2023, 01:22:09 PM
Generally takes from the poor, but always gives to the rich/powerful.
if your opening move is to inaccurately describe howwell we livewe pay taxes in this country then i, at least, will have a hard time believing that any subsequent analysis isn't similarly mistaken or dishonest.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 16, 2023, 01:23:03 PM
Charity > taxation
Contentment > desire
Taxation takes from the poor and gives to the rich.
Taxation mostly pays for the military, infrastructure, social security, and children.
Not sure what you are including in the children portion, but at the federal level, there is very little spending on children. The federal budget is generally spent on Social Security, defense, interest, Medicare and Medicaid. Some of the Medicaid spending is spent on children, but a fair bit of Medicaid spending is on nursing home care.
Not all of your taxation is at the federal level. And the feds pay for school lunches, pell grants, student loans, etc.
Pell grants and student loans do not go to children.
If you include state taxation, then a decent portion does go to children. You still need to include Medicare and Medicaid on your list of things taxation mostly pays for.
Eh, they are children to me. And I lump Medicare/Medicaid with social security.
Post by: sys on January 16, 2023, 01:24:16 PM
I mean it's kind of wild that everyone(?) is happy with what you described
most people in the united states have good access to high quality healthcare and don't pay much in taxes compared to similar people in peer countries.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 16, 2023, 01:27:58 PM
One thing I find absolutely astonishing is that the (extremely radical) green new deal (proposed by AOC) would only start to negatively impact (and by that I mean they would have to pay a higher percentage of their income as tax) people who make over TEN MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
i think a lot of people would say that not having a realistic mechanism to pay for the proposed measures is a flaw, not a selling point.
The payment mechanism is government bonds. It would be refreshing to have someone actually propose the amount of bonds required and projected GDP growth to cover repayment, but it's probably politically expedient to simply pretend that taxes on a small percentage of the income of an even smaller percentage of the population will completely cover the cost.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 16, 2023, 02:12:34 PM
There are so many Americans and more importantly American families that have an income well below $60,000.
yes, it's true that most american households do not have an income greater than $60k per person, and thus are not wealthier than 99% of all other humans on earth.I still want us to be better at taking care of people as comfortable as me.
there's nothing wrong with wanting american goverance to be better, but if your opening move is to inaccurately describe how well we live in this country then i, at least, will have a hard time believing that any subsequent analysis isn't similarly mistaken or dishonest.
That post was long, let me be more succinct and clear.
Who the eff cares that Americans make more money than people in other countries? To me, it's embarrassing that families in this country who earn $47,000 have a lower standard of living than a family who makes half of that in some places in Europe.
Post by: Justwin on January 16, 2023, 02:40:10 PM
Charity > taxation
Contentment > desire
Taxation takes from the poor and gives to the rich.
Taxation mostly pays for the military, infrastructure, social security, and children.
Not sure what you are including in the children portion, but at the federal level, there is very little spending on children. The federal budget is generally spent on Social Security, defense, interest, Medicare and Medicaid. Some of the Medicaid spending is spent on children, but a fair bit of Medicaid spending is on nursing home care.
Not all of your taxation is at the federal level. And the feds pay for school lunches, pell grants, student loans, etc.
Pell grants and student loans do not go to children.
If you include state taxation, then a decent portion does go to children. You still need to include Medicare and Medicaid on your list of things taxation mostly pays for.
Eh, they are children to me. And I lump Medicare/Medicaid with social security.
So you just make stuff up.
Post by: sys on January 16, 2023, 02:58:02 PM
To me, it's embarrassing that families in this country who earn $47,000 have a lower standard of living than a family who makes half of that in some places in Europe.
well, that's not true, so you can relax and enjoy your comfortable american standard of living.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 16, 2023, 02:59:41 PM
Charity > taxation
Contentment > desire
Taxation takes from the poor and gives to the rich.
Taxation mostly pays for the military, infrastructure, social security, and children.
Not sure what you are including in the children portion, but at the federal level, there is very little spending on children. The federal budget is generally spent on Social Security, defense, interest, Medicare and Medicaid. Some of the Medicaid spending is spent on children, but a fair bit of Medicaid spending is on nursing home care.
Not all of your taxation is at the federal level. And the feds pay for school lunches, pell grants, student loans, etc.
Pell grants and student loans do not go to children.
If you include state taxation, then a decent portion does go to children. You still need to include Medicare and Medicaid on your list of things taxation mostly pays for.
Eh, they are children to me. And I lump Medicare/Medicaid with social security.
So you just make stuff up.
I don't see how lumping money to college kids with money for primary ed kids is making stuff up. And I think Medicare/Medicaid/SS all comes from FICA or other payroll taxes. Not 100% sure about Medicaid there. It's all a social safety net, regardless.
Post by: Justwin on January 16, 2023, 03:26:16 PM
I don't see how lumping money to college kids with money for primary ed kids is making stuff up. And I think Medicare/Medicaid/SS all comes from FICA or other payroll taxes. Not 100% sure about Medicaid there. It's all a social safety net, regardless.
Money to people in college is money going to adults. Money for K-12 is money for minors (children).
No money from FICA taxes go to Medicaid. Social Security is 100% funded through its 6.2% component of FICA taxes (6.2% for employee and another 6.2% for employer).
There is a 1.45% component of FICA taxes that funds Medicare Part A (again 1.45% each from employee and employer). Medicare Part A is a small part of total Medicare spending. Medicare Part B and Medicare Part D each have about 75% of their funding coming from the general fund. The other 25% is from the premiums Medicare participants pay.
Do you consider Section 8 housing, SNAP benefits, EITC, etc. all to be Social Security as well?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 16, 2023, 03:29:09 PM
Do you consider Section 8 housing, SNAP benefits, EITC, etc. all to be Social Security as well?
yes
Post by: MakeItRain on January 16, 2023, 03:37:37 PM
To me, it's embarrassing that families in this country who earn $47,000 have a lower standard of living than a family who makes half of that in some places in Europe.
well, that's not true, so you can relax and enjoy your comfortable american standard of living.
well it is, actually. 35 European countries have a lower cost of living, 20 european countries possess a cost of living 1/2 of that of the united states, and of course most of those countries have centralized health care and other robust socalized government programs for it's citizens.
Post by: Kid In the Hall on January 16, 2023, 03:39:28 PM
Pre-pandemic numbers have U.S. tax revenue around 25% of GDP - the average for non-poor countries is about 35%.
Moral of the story - any non-poor people complaining about taxes (especially rich people) are dumb.
Complain about how those $$$ are spent all you want, but the tax rates themselves are low - both from a U.S. historical standpoint and compared to the majority of our peer nations.
Post by: kim carnes on January 16, 2023, 04:13:21 PM
To me, it's embarrassing that families in this country who earn $47,000 have a lower standard of living than a family who makes half of that in some places in Europe.
well, that's not true, so you can relax and enjoy your comfortable american standard of living.
well it is, actually. 35 European countries have a lower cost of living, 20 european countries possess a cost of living 1/2 of that of the united states, and of course most of those countries have centralized health care and other robust socalized government programs for it's citizens.
What’s your point walter?
Post by: sys on January 16, 2023, 05:00:12 PM
To me, it's embarrassing that families in this country who earn $47,000 have a lower standard of living than a family who makes half of that in some places in Europe.
well, that's not true, so you can relax and enjoy your comfortable american standard of living.
well it is, actually. 35 European countries have a lower cost of living, 20 european countries possess a cost of living 1/2 of that of the united states, and of course most of those countries have centralized health care and other robust socalized government programs for it's citizens.
you can use the tool in the tweet i posted to see how those income levels are affected by each country's relative purchasing power. for example:
family of 3, 47K usd in the us = richer than 91.4% of the world's population
family of 3, 21.7K euro in france = richer than 83.7% of the world's population
family of 3, 21.7K euro in greece = richer than 88.3% of the world's population
and a family of three in the united states with a household income of 47K is eligible for obamacare subsidies that pay for most of their health insurance costs.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 16, 2023, 05:24:40 PM
Post by: michigancat on January 16, 2023, 05:38:36 PM
Post by: wetwillie on January 16, 2023, 05:52:30 PM
Post by: sys on January 16, 2023, 06:13:21 PM
The universal healthcare seems like an absolute no brainer, how is that not a thing here yet?
history, inertia and not enough doctors.
Post by: kim carnes on January 16, 2023, 06:48:45 PM
I am both very privileged to live in the United States and make a lot of money but also want universal health care. We could probably provide universal housing also but first things first.
I think I saw your interview on vice once lmao
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 16, 2023, 07:22:57 PM
Yeah, Dax. You wouldn't expect major corporations to do anything but pay as little in taxes as they possibly can. So when you see a political party very openly giving them an avenue for writing off billions more in taxes, what else are we supposed to take away from that?Thanks as always captain obvious.
Now accept the reality that #blueanon’s preferred taxation/regulatory state favors #blueanon favored megacorps.
Not to mention your initial anecdote that’s not grounded in reality.
Post by: michigancat on January 16, 2023, 07:23:21 PM
LolI am both very privileged to live in the United States and make a lot of money but also want universal health care. We could probably provide universal housing also but first things first.
I think I saw your interview on vice once lmao
Post by: Justwin on January 17, 2023, 09:16:52 AM
Do you consider Section 8 housing, SNAP benefits, EITC, etc. all to be Social Security as well?
yes
Fair enough, but the nature of those programs in the way they are funded and how eligibility is determined is fundamentally different than Social Security. You get more Social Security the more you earn. You generally get more from those other programs the less you earn.
I know you have to pay more into Social Security the more you earn (up to the limit), but it is much more set up as a mandatory pension than it is a safety net.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 17, 2023, 09:18:21 AM
LolI am both very privileged to live in the United States and make a lot of money but also want universal health care. We could probably provide universal housing also but first things first.
I think I saw your interview on vice once lmao
This was pretty good lol
Post by: Justwin on January 17, 2023, 09:19:43 AM
I am both very privileged to live in the United States and make a lot of money but also want universal health care. We could probably provide universal housing also but first things first.
I could go along with universal health care if it is set up similar to Singapore's system. If it is set up as Medicare For All, no way.
Once you start getting into universal housing, you might as well just have a universal basic income and be done with all of the other programs.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 17, 2023, 09:27:59 AM
Do you consider Section 8 housing, SNAP benefits, EITC, etc. all to be Social Security as well?
yes
Fair enough, but the nature of those programs in the way they are funded and how eligibility is determined is fundamentally different than Social Security. You get more Social Security the more you earn. You generally get more from those other programs the less you earn.
I know you have to pay more into Social Security the more you earn (up to the limit), but it is much more set up as a mandatory pension than it is a safety net.
Yeah, I get that, but I view social security as a system set up to do the bare minimum to keep elderly people from going homeless. It can be part of a retirement plan, but it's woefully insufficient to be considered a pension or retirement plan by itself, imo. I consider it a safety net like the other programs.
Post by: sys on February 24, 2023, 03:02:29 PM
https://twitter.com/billpulec/status/1629127991837052930
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 24, 2023, 09:40:53 PM
it takes a vat.
https://twitter.com/billpulec/status/1629127991837052930
Ok but in all of those countries can’t you just like…go see a doctor and receive treatment for the cost of a cup of coffee?
Post by: michigancat on February 24, 2023, 09:53:31 PM
Post by: sys on February 24, 2023, 10:05:15 PM
What are non-contributory taxes?
i believe they are taxes that are not contributions to a discrete program where benefits are tied to contributions (e.g. social security).
Post by: sys on May 01, 2023, 12:00:58 PM
https://twitter.com/arindube/status/1652759317437898752
Post by: Kat Kid on May 01, 2023, 04:40:23 PM
we love our narratives, don't we, folks? and they're not true. but we love our narratives.What narrative are you referencing?
https://twitter.com/arindube/status/1652759317437898752
What is your narrative for this?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2023, 04:44:29 PM
The first part is an easy answer, multi job holders are soaring.
The second, gotta entice the willing somehow someway.
Post by: sys on May 01, 2023, 05:16:24 PM
What narrative are you referencing?
https://twitter.com/AymannJames/status/1584498999305740288
https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1653100960124751872
What is your narrative for this?
over the last eight years, wages have grown faster for the lowest earners than for top and median earners.
Post by: michigancat on May 01, 2023, 05:45:07 PM
Post by: sys on May 01, 2023, 07:04:43 PM
Congrats to Ms Warren for solving income inequality
as she's said so many times, the system is working. our job is to stay the course and guard against poorly-imagined, overly-large structural change.
Post by: chum1 on May 01, 2023, 07:06:57 PM
Post by: sys on May 01, 2023, 07:09:04 PM
https://twitter.com/BusinessmanLego/status/1653102126044700672
Post by: michigancat on May 01, 2023, 07:18:19 PM
kinda weird how all the energy from progressives on policing is directed at reducing police presence/preventing abuse, and just about none of it is channeled towards making them do their rough ridin' jobs.
https://twitter.com/BusinessmanLego/status/1653102126044700672
I mean that seems more applicable to liberals whose energy is directed at giving cops more money but also want more people in prison than progressives do
Post by: sys on May 01, 2023, 07:27:24 PM
I mean that seems more applicable to liberals whose energy is directed at giving cops more money but also want more people in prison than progressives do
yeah, the hire more cops people also seem pretty uninterested in forcing cops to actually stop or solve crimes from time to time.
Post by: Spracne on May 01, 2023, 07:29:21 PM
Post by: michigancat on May 01, 2023, 07:30:06 PM
Agreed! Asking cops to arrest more people hat would practically make them anti-cop. Just write the checks, Joe!I mean that seems more applicable to liberals whose energy is directed at giving cops more money but also want more people in prison than progressives do
yeah, the hire more cops people also seem pretty uninterested in forcing cops to actually stop or solve crimes from time to time.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2023, 07:50:25 PM
kinda weird how all the energy from progressives on policing is directed at reducing police presence/preventing abuse, and just about none of it is channeled towards making them do their rough ridin' jobs.
https://twitter.com/BusinessmanLego/status/1653102126044700672
I don't think there's anything, at all progressives can do to make the cops do their jobs better. I think the reduction movement stems from 5-0s unwillingness to do their jobs well. Now that conservatives are suddenly anti law enforcement then we'll get something, anything that forces them to bee maybe 1% better. End of qualified immunity?
Post by: sys on May 01, 2023, 08:01:25 PM
I don't think there's anything, at all progressives can do to make the cops do their jobs better. I think the reduction movement stems from 5-0s unwillingness to do their jobs well. Now that conservatives are suddenly anti law enforcement then we'll get something, anything that forces them to bee maybe 1% better. End of qualified immunity?
i think the way that mayors all over america are seemingly powerless to do anything to control police suggests that reforming police is generally politically impossible or close to it, but conceptually it's not a difficult problem to solve. break the unions, fire bad actors and poor performers, hire new people willing to do the job assigned to them.
Post by: michigancat on May 01, 2023, 08:56:30 PM
Post by: sys on May 01, 2023, 09:09:44 PM
Problem is they're all either bad actors or poor performers
i think that's unlikely to be true, if properly incentivized. but if it is true, just fire them all and hire new ones.
Post by: michigancat on May 01, 2023, 09:11:13 PM
It's inherent to the professionProblem is they're all either bad actors or poor performers
i think that's unlikely to be true, if properly incentivized. but if it is true, just fire them all and hire new ones.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2023, 09:57:06 PM
I don't think there's anything, at all progressives can do to make the cops do their jobs better. I think the reduction movement stems from 5-0s unwillingness to do their jobs well. Now that conservatives are suddenly anti law enforcement then we'll get something, anything that forces them to bee maybe 1% better. End of qualified immunity?
i think the way that mayors all over america are seemingly powerless to do anything to control police suggests that reforming police is generally politically impossible or close to it, but conceptually it's not a difficult problem to solve. break the unions, fire bad actors and poor performers, hire new people willing to do the job assigned to them.
It's the whole break the union thing that's a catch 22. I wish cop unions would be more about collective bargaining and save working conditions and less about protecting the shield at all costs.
It's inherent to the professionProblem is they're all either bad actors or poor performers
i think that's unlikely to be true, if properly incentivized. but if it is true, just fire them all and hire new ones.
I'm as anti cop as you'll find and I don't think this is true at all. I blame American society and our love of guns and unwillingness to deal with biases more than I blame just being a cop. Most first world, industrialized countries don't have our policing issues.
Post by: sys on May 01, 2023, 10:13:20 PM
It's inherent to the profession
requires a pretty high level of believing america is the only country in the world to think this.
Post by: michigancat on May 02, 2023, 04:29:57 AM
It's inherent to the professionProblem is they're all either bad actors or poor performers
i think that's unlikely to be true, if properly incentivized. but if it is true, just fire them all and hire new ones.
I'm as anti cop as you'll find and I don't think this is true at all. I blame American society and our love of guns and unwillingness to deal with biases more than I blame just being a cop. Most first world, industrialized countries don't have our policing issues.
That's fair
Post by: Kat Kid on May 02, 2023, 08:51:32 AM
https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2018/feb/16/us-murder-clearance-rates-among-lowest-world/
I don’t even trust the cops to adopt any kind of metrics or data based solutions because we only have to look as far as the schoolcraft recording to see what happens when mayors-commanders-cops want to play with stats.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft
I don’t know how to fix it and I don’t know how to disentangle it from our gun culture because it is what attracts a lot of gun nuts to the profession and it is what makes gun nuts paranoid freaks that shoot dogs and kids and random people and the sense of absolute power and victim hood that pervades the profession makes it very easy for people to justify the cruelty and indifference they have for the people they “serve.”
I agree that police unions are a part of this problem, but it is much more than that. I think if we had fewer cops and more mental health crisis response units, and a better welfare state we would have some better outcomes and less crime. I also think undoing the gun culture or doing even modest reforms like mental health crisis teams or housing the homeless are almost complete non starters in this America.
As to why our cops can’t solve crimes compared to European countries I would like others ideas as well.
Post by: kim carnes on May 02, 2023, 10:17:29 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on May 02, 2023, 02:16:26 PM
Then you’ll actually have to pay some taxes kkFinally joined the club this year!
Post by: star seed 7 on May 02, 2023, 02:24:59 PM
Post by: CNS on May 02, 2023, 02:40:29 PM
As an avid British cop show watcher I think it's simply that their cops are smarterOur cops are taking the opportunity to play GI Joe, with access to "eff yes!" military type outfits, guns, tactical vehicles, etc, without having to go to bootcamp, get exposed to burn pits, or really have any discipline.
It's like paid to larp.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on May 02, 2023, 03:37:00 PM
As an avid British cop show watcher I think it's simply that their cops are smarterBritish cops are incredibly smart.
Post by: Kat Kid on May 03, 2023, 08:13:09 AM
https://kansasreflector.com/2023/05/02/khps-two-step-technique-for-launching-vehicle-searches-challenged-on-constitutional-grounds/ (https://kansasreflector.com/2023/05/02/khps-two-step-technique-for-launching-vehicle-searches-challenged-on-constitutional-grounds/)
Quote
In a deposition played for the court, Rohr defended his approach to sorting out who should be placed under a microscope as a possible drug trafficker. He said he relied on extensive training and experience when making subjective determinations, which depended on “more than a hunch.”
The trooper said he was drawn to out-of-state vehicles, especially from drug production states such as California and Colorado or motorists headed toward high drug consumption cities such as St. Louis and Cleveland. He tuned into individuals who appeared nervous or were pulling trailers with no load. He said it was meaningful when vehicles were doused with air freshener to obscure odor or had interiors littered with fast-food wrappers, which was a sign of guilt among people exceptionally eager to keep moving.
So when I hear "more training for cops" these are the types of things that I think of, not evidence based investigation techniques or mental health professionals helping cops learn how to de-escalate with people in crisis. Unless there are meaningful penalties that hold the people that came up with policies specifically designed to violate people's constitutional rights there won't be any changes, even when you get past qualified immunity what is the actual consequence?
Post by: MakeItRain on May 03, 2023, 10:05:14 AM
Another area I think the US could improve upon is actually holding our policing institutions accountable. This isn't "a few bad apples" it is clearly a KHP policy and is reinforced with the various insane police professional development seminars where cops learn that they actually have superpowers like this:Good God, it's amazing that they say this crap out loud, thinking it's actual good policy.
https://kansasreflector.com/2023/05/02/khps-two-step-technique-for-launching-vehicle-searches-challenged-on-constitutional-grounds/ (https://kansasreflector.com/2023/05/02/khps-two-step-technique-for-launching-vehicle-searches-challenged-on-constitutional-grounds/)QuoteIn a deposition played for the court, Rohr defended his approach to sorting out who should be placed under a microscope as a possible drug trafficker. He said he relied on extensive training and experience when making subjective determinations, which depended on “more than a hunch.”
The trooper said he was drawn to out-of-state vehicles, especially from drug production states such as California and Colorado or motorists headed toward high drug consumption cities such as St. Louis and Cleveland. He tuned into individuals who appeared nervous or were pulling trailers with no load. He said it was meaningful when vehicles were doused with air freshener to obscure odor or had interiors littered with fast-food wrappers, which was a sign of guilt among people exceptionally eager to keep moving.
So when I hear "more training for cops" these are the types of things that I think of, not evidence based investigation techniques or mental health professionals helping cops learn how to de-escalate with people in crisis. Unless there are meaningful penalties that hold the people that came up with policies specifically designed to violate people's constitutional rights there won't be any changes, even when you get past qualified immunity what is the actual consequence?
Post by: sys on December 12, 2023, 01:05:31 AM
https://twitter.com/LinkofSunshine/status/1734395266189431187
Post by: Kat Kid on December 12, 2023, 07:39:36 AM
Single payer will cost less than the current system. What a dumb poll question.
Post by: CNS on December 12, 2023, 08:28:08 AM
I mean, there is a reason that such a graphic isn’t repeatedly used as the way to shut down libs.
Post by: Kat Kid on December 12, 2023, 08:36:25 AM
It should be relatively easy for someone to put the cost of the current system, the percentage of taxes that go towards that, and the anticipated cost of a single payer option all side by side.Hur hur hur see you pay MORE in taxes!
I mean, there is a reason that such a graphic isn’t repeatedly used as the way to shut down libs.
Dave Ramsey ass cash envelope budget brain.
Post by: CNS on December 12, 2023, 09:11:55 AM
Post by: sys on December 12, 2023, 09:13:02 AM
Post by: sys on December 12, 2023, 09:16:49 AM
the current system is more expensive than single payer, even before we take premiums into account.
i don't really follow what you're saying here, but if it is that us govt hc expenditures are higher currently than they would be expected to be with a single payer system, then no, that is not true (nowhere close to true).
Post by: catastrophe on December 12, 2023, 09:47:45 AM
the question clearly states "in federal taxes".That’s why it’s a crappy poll question. It’s providing a hypothetical increase in taxes without also assuming the savings that proponents argue support the system in the first place.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 12, 2023, 10:07:57 AM
Post by: CNS on December 12, 2023, 10:23:29 AM
the current system is more expensive than single payer, even before we take premiums into account.
i don't really follow what you're saying here, but if it is that us govt hc expenditures are higher currently than they would be expected to be with a single payer system, then no, that is not true (nowhere close to true).
Admittedly, I am not a well informed person on this. However, the podcast I mentioned lays out a few things(pardon my memory):
1. Current govt expenditures on heath care related costs is currently most of any 1st world country. by far.
2. Statement in podcast was basically that per capita cost for our system was wildly above per capita cost of any other nation, none of which includes the consideration of the monthly premiums we pay ourselves.
Post by: sys on December 12, 2023, 10:53:34 AM
https://www.pgpf.org/sites/default/files/healthcare-spending-blog-chart-3.jpg
https://infogram.com/us-health-care-from-a-global-perspective-2022-accelerating-spending-worsening-outcomes-exhibit-1-1hxj48pdjlqeq2v
keep in mind that this does not imply that our costs would fall by 33% if we switched to a single payer system and even the most wildly optimistic projections of us hc spending under a single payer system do not predict that.
Post by: sys on December 12, 2023, 10:57:11 AM
That’s why it’s a crappy poll question. It’s providing a hypothetical increase in taxes without also assuming the savings that proponents argue support the system in the first place.
i mean, you can take your pick between progressive voters are unwilling to fund the programs they claim to want and progressive voters lack a basic understanding of how the world works. we have a fair bit of evidence aside from this poll that both are true and both are funny.
Post by: Kat Kid on December 12, 2023, 11:25:30 AM
That’s why it’s a crappy poll question. It’s providing a hypothetical increase in taxes without also assuming the savings that proponents argue support the system in the first place.
i mean, you can take your pick between progressive voters are unwilling to fund the programs they claim to want and progressive voters lack a basic understanding of how the world works. we have a fair bit of evidence aside from this poll that both are true and both are funny.
There has been a decades long and ongoing massive concerted effort to protect the powerful middle men in our system to continue to drain public and private money, it is not surprising that people don't have a good grasp on single payer and how it would be cheaper/cover more people. Not sure why you are insistent on celebrating it.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 12, 2023, 11:35:55 AM
That’s why it’s a crappy poll question. It’s providing a hypothetical increase in taxes without also assuming the savings that proponents argue support the system in the first place.
i mean, you can take your pick between progressive voters are unwilling to fund the programs they claim to want and progressive voters lack a basic understanding of how the world works. we have a fair bit of evidence aside from this poll that both are true and both are funny.
There has been a decades long and ongoing massive concerted effort to protect the powerful middle men in our system to continue to drain public and private money, it is not surprising that people don't have a good grasp on single payer and how it would be cheaper/cover more people. Not sure why you are insistent on celebrating it.
sys truly in his heart believes in trickle-down economics. like dead ass full on believes in that supply side nonsense, so this kind of thing is like catnip for him
Post by: michigancat on December 12, 2023, 12:57:12 PM
lol.
https://twitter.com/LinkofSunshine/status/1734395266189431187
I mean, if you toggle to percent of income you get some kooky results. Even Clinton voters (smart adults who understand how the world works) didn't seem to have a good sense of how dollars spent relates to percent of income.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/4/14/11421744/bernie-sanders-tax-revolution
Post by: Kat Kid on December 12, 2023, 01:15:22 PM
I bet most very smart people here have no real idea.
Even if they could tell you their monthly premiums, employee match and ball park their out of pocket co pays, there are just a completely insane number of variables--in or out of network, emergency, office visit, Rx, Rx discount, referral, the list of surprise nightmares is long.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 12, 2023, 02:12:54 PM
But the whole thing is dumb because with insurer based healthcare, most people have no clue what their total costs for health care are during a total year, nor what their potential costs they would be responsible for.
I bet most very smart people here have no real idea.
Even if they could tell you their monthly premiums, employee match and ball park their out of pocket co pays, there are just a completely insane number of variables--in or out of network, emergency, office visit, Rx, Rx discount, referral, the list of surprise nightmares is long.
My insurance company has made an astounding amount of money off of me since I stopped making babies that had to be birfed. Like $10k/yr easily
Post by: catastrophe on December 12, 2023, 02:35:16 PM
That’s why it’s a crappy poll question. It’s providing a hypothetical increase in taxes without also assuming the savings that proponents argue support the system in the first place.
i mean, you can take your pick between progressive voters are unwilling to fund the programs they claim to want and progressive voters lack a basic understanding of how the world works. we have a fair bit of evidence aside from this poll that both are true and both are funny.
This isn't either of those.
#1 has never been the case. Very few people are willing to pay for single-payer unless it means medical costs are cheaper. This isn't like, "would you be willing to spend $1000 more in taxes to have better roads?" The greatest benefit to single-payer is not the fact of universal healthcare, it's the bargaining power the single-payer has.
#2 just isn't fair. The poll is asking a hypothetical question. If you're operating in a hypothetical world, you should also include in the question a component of how much the average american would save on health care costs as a result of the $1,000 tax imposed.
Post by: CNS on December 12, 2023, 05:10:48 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 12, 2023, 07:02:05 PM
Post by: steve dave on December 12, 2023, 08:04:32 PM
Is single payer going to solve our obesity problem?No, but GLP1 drugs will. Obesity will be non existent in the USA in a decade.
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Post by: sys on December 12, 2023, 08:37:49 PM
Not sure why you are insistent on celebrating it.
i'm not celebrating it, i'm laughing at it.
Post by: sys on December 12, 2023, 08:39:23 PM
I mean, if you toggle to percent of income you get some kooky results. Even Clinton voters (smart adults who understand how the world works) didn't seem to have a good sense of how dollars spent relates to percent of income.
i think it's safe to say we aren't going to be moving to a single payer hc system or adopting any of the other big progressive welfare state projects anytime soon.
Post by: sys on December 12, 2023, 08:43:33 PM
I would bet that a long term effect of everyone having quality care when needed would be less overall need.
i mean, no. obviously not.
Post by: wetwillie on December 12, 2023, 08:44:35 PM
Is single payer going to solve our obesity problem?No, but GLP1 drugs will. Obesity will be non existent in the USA in a decade.
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lol
Post by: sys on December 12, 2023, 08:45:28 PM
No, but GLP1 drugs will. Obesity will be non existent in the USA in a decade.
and maybe our addiction problem too. truly miracle drugs.
Post by: steve dave on December 12, 2023, 08:54:01 PM
Everyone talks about big pharma being bad (not the Danes obviously) but, folks, this is why they are how they are and we need to recognize them for itNo, but GLP1 drugs will. Obesity will be non existent in the USA in a decade.
and maybe our addiction problem too. truly miracle drugs.
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Post by: steve dave on December 30, 2023, 09:07:16 AM
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1740835054434369758
Post by: Katpappy on December 30, 2023, 06:36:05 PM
Post by: Spracne on December 30, 2023, 06:38:48 PM
He's right; that's why all the chicken crap paid for by billionaires throw their funds to Biden to keep Bernie from getting elected. Nobody in the paid-for government wants Bernie in control.
Bernie is good to great on many fronts. This is not one of them.
Post by: Pete on December 30, 2023, 07:10:27 PM
In the mean time, I sure rough ridin' hope those companies keep whipping ass because the entirety of all my market exposure is in SP500 Index funds and that's what has made those fuckers fat.
Post by: sys on March 06, 2024, 03:58:49 PM
https://twitter.com/Lawlorbrendans/status/1765469093589573904
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 06, 2024, 04:21:45 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on March 06, 2024, 04:25:44 PM
there isn't very much in american politics that is enjoyable currently, but one moment to savor occurred last night when california democrats told katie porter to get mumped.Absolutely cursed profile.
https://twitter.com/Lawlorbrendans/status/1765469093589573904
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Post by: steve dave on March 06, 2024, 04:26:39 PM
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Post by: steve dave on March 06, 2024, 04:29:41 PM
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Post by: sys on March 06, 2024, 04:31:33 PM
100% a bot
naw, it's a person. youngish male, lives somewhere around nyc. i've followed him for a while.
Post by: steve dave on March 06, 2024, 04:56:18 PM
oh no100% a bot
naw, it's a person. youngish male, lives somewhere around nyc. i've followed him for a while.
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Post by: sys on March 06, 2024, 05:08:18 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 06, 2024, 07:39:02 PM
they're good accounts, steve dave.dang sys lol
https://twitter.com/Lawlorbrendans/status/1765454920688243168
Post by: sys on March 06, 2024, 07:47:35 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 06, 2024, 07:56:50 PM
i mean, what part of proud capitalist, classical liberal and pax americana fan would you think i disagree with?
I'm still not used to how much you love cops now (even though I should be)
Post by: sys on March 06, 2024, 08:06:08 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 06, 2024, 09:20:18 PM
he does love cops, but there's nothing about loving cops in his profile.Well, not explicitly
Post by: steve dave on March 07, 2024, 06:03:49 AM
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Post by: steve dave on March 07, 2024, 08:13:02 AM
1 flag = MAGA
2+ flags = bot
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Post by: Kat Kid on March 07, 2024, 10:20:17 AM
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Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) sat down with Stephen Colbert this week to promote his new book It’s OK To Be Angry About Capitalism and was asked if he’ll miss Arizona senator Kyrsten Sinema (D-AZ), who announced this week that she would not be seeking re-election. “Not at all,” he told Colbert without missing a beat.
Sanders particularly took issue with Sinema’s lack of support on Biden’s Build Back Better plan, telling Colbert, “We worked with the president on something called Build Back Better,” he said. “We had zero Republican support. We had 48 people in the Democratic caucus prepared to transform this country on behalf of the working class of America.”
“Two people, Sinema being one, Manchin the other, refused to support it,” continued. “We couldn’t pass it. So no, I will not miss Senator Sinema.”
Post by: sys on March 07, 2024, 12:06:35 PM
That account is like 80 posts a day all about politics. 100% a bot.
i'm pretty sure you've seen my account. and you've met me irl, so you know i'm not a bot.
Post by: steve dave on March 07, 2024, 12:44:24 PM
What’s your flag count bud?That account is like 80 posts a day all about politics. 100% a bot.
i'm pretty sure you've seen my account. and you've met me irl, so you know i'm not a bot.
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Post by: chum1 on March 13, 2024, 04:03:40 PM
Post by: kim carnes on March 13, 2024, 05:20:07 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 13, 2024, 09:50:48 PM
Unserious senator
Was the proposal of a five day workweek also unserious? Or are you thankful for the socialists who passed that law?
Post by: kim carnes on March 13, 2024, 10:07:30 PM
Post by: CNS on March 14, 2024, 12:03:49 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 14, 2024, 12:08:20 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 14, 2024, 04:03:05 PM
How would this work? I effectively have to take a 20% cut in production from my crews. So, everything is going to go out the door 20% more expensive. Sorry guys. Us small biz’s aren’t sitting on that big of a nut.
I think the crews would most likely end up being paid 1.5x for that 5th day, so everything out the door would only be 10% more expensive.
Post by: kim carnes on March 14, 2024, 05:19:27 PM
How would this work? I effectively have to take a 20% cut in production from my crews. So, everything is going to go out the door 20% more expensive. Sorry guys. Us small biz’s aren’t sitting on that big of a nut.
I think the crews would most likely end up being paid 1.5x for that 5th day, so everything out the door would only be 10% more expensive.
You would be paying 37.5% more for the same 40 hours. Maybe go back to school.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 14, 2024, 05:35:09 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 14, 2024, 05:47:01 PM
How would this work? I effectively have to take a 20% cut in production from my crews. So, everything is going to go out the door 20% more expensive. Sorry guys. Us small biz’s aren’t sitting on that big of a nut.
I think the crews would most likely end up being paid 1.5x for that 5th day, so everything out the door would only be 10% more expensive.
You would be paying 37.5% more for the same 40 hours. Maybe go back to school.
@mocat can you settle this for us?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 14, 2024, 07:30:31 PM
How would this work? I effectively have to take a 20% cut in production from my crews. So, everything is going to go out the door 20% more expensive. Sorry guys. Us small biz’s aren’t sitting on that big of a nut.
I think the crews would most likely end up being paid 1.5x for that 5th day, so everything out the door would only be 10% more expensive.
You would be paying 37.5% more for the same 40 hours. Maybe go back to school.
8*1.5 is 12. You would pay for 32 hours over 4 days and 12 hours on Friday. That's 44 hours paid for over a 40 hour week, a 10% increase.
Post by: wetwillie on March 14, 2024, 07:32:55 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 14, 2024, 07:37:50 PM
You have to pay them the same for 32 as 40 used to cost you plus the overtime
Oh, that's right. Kim Carnes got it right. I forgot about the part of the proposal that guaranteed no loss in pay. No idea how the government can even do that for non-federal employees, but Bernie doesn't propose serious bills.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 14, 2024, 09:21:16 PM
Post by: CNS on March 15, 2024, 04:34:04 PM
In the places where they’ve pilot programmed this they find that employees tend to be more productive on a 4 day work week. You would be foolish to assume that your employees are working anywhere near the efficiency you are assuming. I’m not suggesting they will work 20% more efficiently I’m just saying it’s not as bad as you think
I have read and listened to a little bit about this. I like the ultimate end point of it, but the transition will put a lot of small guys out of biz and will probably cause a recession, imo. It will cause a lot of small guys to jack prices, ppl will not be able to afford services, and round we go, at least in the short/med term.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 16, 2024, 09:56:25 AM
In the places where they’ve pilot programmed this they find that employees tend to be more productive on a 4 day work week. You would be foolish to assume that your employees are working anywhere near the efficiency you are assuming. I’m not suggesting they will work 20% more efficiently I’m just saying it’s not as bad as you think
I have read and listened to a little bit about this. I like the ultimate end point of it, but the transition will put a lot of small guys out of biz and will probably cause a recession, imo. It will cause a lot of small guys to jack prices, ppl will not be able to afford services, and round we go, at least in the short/med term.
That’s probably a fair assessment. Everything I’ve seen on the topic has really just been focused on the delta in overall productivity and employee happiness, but I think that was about the extent of the scope. Can’t just evaluate these things in a vacuum
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 25, 2024, 06:13:42 PM
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1772330234286670272?s=46&t=-jwPwnR3rKHM9sk9hA7h8g
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Post by: Trim on March 28, 2024, 09:02:54 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on March 28, 2024, 09:14:13 PM
Just an absolute mush brainHakeem Jeffries is not my pick for speaker either, but you and Glenn both surely can figure out it would be easier to exert pressure on a speaker from your own party than one from the other party. The answer is literally contained in the tweet because they ousted McCarthy and now have Johnson over a barrel.
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1772330234286670272?s=46&t=-jwPwnR3rKHM9sk9hA7h8g
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Post by: michigancat on May 04, 2024, 08:44:56 AM
cuellar wins, affirming the wisdom of the good voters of texas 28.
https://twitter.com/TheJusticeDept/status/1786460936838017155
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 04, 2024, 08:53:07 AM
Makes you think
Post by: michigancat on May 04, 2024, 02:02:45 PM
When you read the indictment it has such a familiar theme . . .Makes you think about what?
Makes you think
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 04, 2024, 06:53:05 PM
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Post by: steve dave on May 04, 2024, 07:10:19 PM
I believe Pedo Pete and the Grifters Biden liked to do business in that part of the world as part of spanning the globe with The Grifters Biden . . . albeit they preferred across the Caspian Sea.I have no clue what you are even saying or insinuating about. Like not even in a general direction you fuckin’ door knob, lmao.
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Post by: Trim on May 04, 2024, 07:39:51 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 05, 2024, 07:04:57 AM
Oh look - piss drunk in the front yard and raged up SD made an appearance.I believe Pedo Pete and the Grifters Biden liked to do business in that part of the world as part of spanning the globe with The Grifters Biden . . . albeit they preferred across the Caspian Sea.I have no clue what you are even saying or insinuating about. Like not even in a general direction you fuckin’ door knob, lmao.
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The Grifters Biden: Russia, China, Cyprus, Vietnam, Romania and . . . Kazakhstan
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Post by: michigancat on May 30, 2024, 06:31:44 PM
there isn't very much in american politics that is enjoyable currently, but one moment to savor occurred last night when california democrats told katie porter to get mumped.Absolutely cursed profile.
https://twitter.com/Lawlorbrendans/status/1765469093589573904
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Maybe not a bot but definitely a maga lolThat account is like 80 posts a day all about politics. 100% a bot.
i'm pretty sure you've seen my account. and you've met me irl, so you know i'm not a bot.
https://twitter.com/Lawlorbrendans/status/1796289140545438013
(All his stuff is anti-dem)
Post by: sys on June 23, 2024, 11:02:42 PM
https://x.com/Bencjacobs/status/1804596864366391579
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 24, 2024, 08:58:27 AM
Yikes
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 24, 2024, 09:42:08 PM
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 25, 2024, 09:38:34 AM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 25, 2024, 08:53:30 PM
maybe its just me but i'm kind of (turned on?) by the idea of my elected official showing up to speak at an event even if it is for a smaller crowdNobody is gonna make fun of AOC on BAC’s watch. No sir!
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Post by: Spracne on June 25, 2024, 08:57:02 PM
AOC showing creamy white bare legs and a shapely ass must have the generic crowd excited.
Katdaddy, yes!
Post by: sys on June 25, 2024, 09:39:32 PM
:party:
Post by: kim carnes on August 07, 2024, 01:50:35 PM
Post by: sys on August 07, 2024, 03:09:04 PM
We lost Cori.
:party:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2024, 05:59:03 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2024, 06:10:50 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 07, 2024, 07:32:22 PM
The dems becoming more and more moderate everyday has my attention.
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I got some real bad news for you, my friend.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 07, 2024, 07:33:07 PM
The dems becoming more and more moderate everyday has my attention.
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I got some real bad news for you, my friend.
Shhhh, let him think that
Post by: MakeItRain on August 07, 2024, 07:41:16 PM
The dems becoming more and more moderate everyday has my attention.
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I got some real bad news for you, my friend.
Shhhh, let him think that
Celebrating Bowman and Bush losing to guys with the exact same platform is hilarious as hell. Good on Torres and Bell for getting that AIPAC money because they don't verbalize that they want a cease fire and a 2 state solution.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2024, 09:30:11 PM
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Post by: sys on August 08, 2024, 12:04:09 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 08, 2024, 09:45:00 AM
bowman didn't lose to torres (and torres isn't identical to bowman on policy).
Sheesh, of course Latimer, that's a stupid mistake. :facepalm: Where do Bowman, Latimer, and Torres for that matter differ on policy, particularly as it relates to the party platform? There's certainly a difference in rhetoric, but actual policy positions and voting record?
https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=house
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Post by: sys on August 08, 2024, 05:37:11 PM
latimer has only served in local govt, so there's no record as to how he would vote on natl issues. he was widely viewed as a moderate, but of course one of the dirty little secrets about current american politics is that there's very little difference among members of the same party. i'm sure he'll be a loyal dem vote.
Post by: MakeItRain on August 08, 2024, 07:27:20 PM
torres and bowman are on opposite ends of the israel/palestinian axis and to some extent that extends to how they treat american jews. they're both very progressive on most domestic issues, so as you say, different rhetoric but pretty similar votes.
How can they both be on the opposite ends of the spectrum when both believe their should be a two state solution? They both want the conflict to end. The difference is solely rhetoric
https://x.com/RitchieTorres/status/1748373867729445372
The far left he's talking about here aren't anyone in Congress. I hope you aren't suggesting that Bowman has denied Israel's right to exist.
Post by: sys on August 13, 2024, 10:44:18 PM
I hope you aren't suggesting that Bowman has denied Israel's right to exist.
he voted yes on a resolution affirming israel's right to exist, so i suppose we have to take him at his word - despite his other rhetoric in praise of people that have called for the destruction of israel and the massacre of israelis.
here's bowman's voting record on everything touching upon israel. i didn't find anything so concise for torres, but he obviously voted yes on all the defense appropriations for israel and the anti-semitism bill was one he wrote. he's widely considered one of the most pro-israel dems in congress. i think it's fair to say they have different voting records on israel.
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05/01/2024 - Antisemitism Awareness Act of 2023 [adoption of IHRA] - NO
04/20/2024 - Israel Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2024 - NO
04/18/2024 - Condemning Iran's unprecedented drone and missile attack on Israel - NO
04/17/2024 - Standing Against Houthi Aggression Act [designate as terrorist org] - NO
04/17/2024 - Iran Counterterrorism Act of 2023 - NO
04/16/2024 - Encouraging the EU to DESIGNATE [IRGC as terrorist organization] Resolution - NO
04/16/2024 - Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the slogan, "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” [is antisemitic and will be condemned] - NO
04/16/2024 - Iran Sanctions Accountability Act of 2023 - NO
02/06/2024 - Israel Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2024 - NO
12/13/2023 - Condemning antisemitism on University campuses - NO
12/05/2023 - Strongly condemning and denouncing the drastic rise of antisemitism in the United States and around the world - NO
12/02/2023 - H Res 798 - Condemning the support of Hamas, Hezbollah, and other terrorist organizations at institutions of higher education, which may lead to the creation of a hostile environment for Jewish students, faculty, and staff. - NO
11/01/2023 - Hamas International Financing Prevention Act - NO
10/25/2023- Standing with Israel as it defends itself against the barbaric war launched by Hamas and other terrorists - NO
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-801338
Post by: sys on August 14, 2024, 07:41:33 PM
https://x.com/RitchieTorres/status/1823877239265521674
Post by: steve dave on August 14, 2024, 08:21:30 PM
Post by: sys on August 14, 2024, 09:50:06 PM