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Title: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: pvegs on October 23, 2017, 04:16:21 AM
I am tired of us all having to complain and voice our opinions here. I am boycotting this bs until Dimel gets fired, Snyder retires, or we do something demonstrably different. I do not have a grudge with any particular person associated with the university. Great school. Snyder has made it viable for future generations in profound ways. However, this crap needs to end.

(https://i.imgur.com/EBUSQlK.png)
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: pvegs on October 23, 2017, 04:26:37 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/XBrQXbw.png)
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: Steffy08 on October 23, 2017, 07:08:40 AM
Contacting players and encouraging them to complain about their touches is just the worst.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: star seed 7 on October 23, 2017, 07:12:46 AM
 :blank:
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: meow meow on October 23, 2017, 08:51:09 AM
so you're effecting change by posting screenshots of your tweets?
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: kso_FAN on October 23, 2017, 08:51:43 AM
My goodness.

I completely understand the frustration with this season, but the burn it down reaction by many (not just this thread) is over the top. If we were at Baylor or KU levels then maybe a case could be made, but we aren't even close to that. The program still is in good shape and the current staff is likely gone soon regardless of how much complaining or "boycotting" this fan base does.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 23, 2017, 09:07:58 AM
 :jerk:
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: Trim on October 23, 2017, 09:12:19 AM
pvegs, you need to let yourself appreciate KSU sports for what they are for now.  The games go on in the background.
Title: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: catastrophe on October 23, 2017, 09:15:10 AM
I was thinking something cool would be to get people to pool their money into a big pot to be donated to KSU athletics only when a good FB coaching hire is made. Like, have a list of acceptable candidates. Not so much to try to force out this staff but to have an effective voice on the next hire.

Way too lazy to go about putting together something like that, but since the purpose would be purely to donate to Kats athletics it could maybe even be a 501(c)(3)? :dunno:
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: kso_FAN on October 23, 2017, 09:27:46 AM
I was thinking something cool would be to get people to pool their money into a big pot to be donated to KSU athletics only when a good FB coaching hire is made. Like, have a list of acceptable candidates. Not so much to try to force out this staff but to have an effective voice on the next hire.

Way too lazy to go about putting together something like that, but since the purpose would be purely to donate to Kats athletics it could maybe even be a 501(c)(3)? :dunno:

I'm pretty sure anyone that actually has enough money to donate that the AD is really listening is already doing something like that. I mean, I guess it would be cool if a bunch of BBSers pooled 2-3K to "make their point", but come on...
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: meow meow on October 23, 2017, 09:29:22 AM
that idea sounds #kufb af
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: Trim on October 23, 2017, 09:39:52 AM
https://www.fattyfund.org/donate/

KK, the FattyFest ticket stuff needs to be removed.  For now!
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: kso_FAN on October 23, 2017, 09:40:46 AM
https://www.fattyfund.org/donate/

KK, the FattyFest ticket stuff needs to be removed.  For now!

Yeah, if you want to pool some money, do this. You could actually make a difference.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: catastrophe on October 23, 2017, 09:51:21 AM
I was thinking something cool would be to get people to pool their money into a big pot to be donated to KSU athletics only when a good FB coaching hire is made. Like, have a list of acceptable candidates. Not so much to try to force out this staff but to have an effective voice on the next hire.

Way too lazy to go about putting together something like that, but since the purpose would be purely to donate to Kats athletics it could maybe even be a 501(c)(3)? :dunno:

I'm pretty sure anyone that actually has enough money to donate that the AD is really listening is already doing something like that. I mean, I guess it would be cool if a bunch of BBSers pooled 2-3K to "make their point", but come on...

I mean, it doesn’t have to be limited to bbs-ers. I’m thinking of something that would function like a PAC. I have to imagine that a significant portion of athletics funding comes from smaller donations given by people who don’t feel like their contributions are going to sway anyone.

Obviously I’m not encouraging folks to come up with a pool of spite money to the exclusion of other decent uses.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: pvegs on October 23, 2017, 09:53:42 AM
pvegs, you need to let yourself appreciate KSU sports for what they are for now.  The games go on in the background.

trim is right. background for us as we live our lives. the jerkoff emojis and whatnot are unnecessary, bc the people on this board who have met me and actually know me irl, know that I would give another kstater the shirt off my back. so, feel free to harass me, but just know that i don't appreciate it, and whatever childish middle school bs you wanna pull you can shove some place.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: pvegs on October 23, 2017, 09:59:48 AM
I was thinking something cool would be to get people to pool their money into a big pot to be donated to KSU athletics only when a good FB coaching hire is made. Like, have a list of acceptable candidates. Not so much to try to force out this staff but to have an effective voice on the next hire.

Way too lazy to go about putting together something like that, but since the purpose would be purely to donate to Kats athletics it could maybe even be a 501(c)(3)? :dunno:

I'm pretty sure anyone that actually has enough money to donate that the AD is really listening is already doing something like that. I mean, I guess it would be cool if a bunch of BBSers pooled 2-3K to "make their point", but come on...

i've donated to fatty fest. i know what's up. don't treat me like a child. you are obviously a very smart and capable adult, and your football acumen plus tech knowledge has enriched my online life over the years. but please, don't tell me what to do. i don't need help.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: Trim on October 23, 2017, 10:01:06 AM
pvegs, you need to let yourself appreciate KSU sports for what they are for now.  The games go on in the background.

trim is right. background for us as we live our lives.

I was being more literal, as in they're on the TV in the background of a PAK, while we're all babbling about who knows what else and watching peripherally and sometimes lol'n at a Dimel Family Sweep.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: pvegs on October 23, 2017, 10:05:15 AM
pvegs, you need to let yourself appreciate KSU sports for what they are for now.  The games go on in the background.

trim is right. background for us as we live our lives.

I was being more literal, as in they're on the TV in the background of a PAK, while we're all babbling about who knows what else and watching peripherally and sometimes lol'n at a Dimel Family Sweep.

yeah, j. that's what i took your meaning to be. have a great day. i'm headed to school to do the real work.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: kso_FAN on October 23, 2017, 10:23:34 AM
i've donated to fatty fest. i know what's up. don't treat me like a child. you are obviously a very smart and capable adult, and your football acumen plus tech knowledge has enriched my online life over the years. but please, don't tell me what to do. i don't need help.

Fair response and I get why you are frustrated with this season and the staff.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: pvegs on October 23, 2017, 11:47:04 AM
i've donated to fatty fest. i know what's up. don't treat me like a child. you are obviously a very smart and capable adult, and your football acumen plus tech knowledge has enriched my online life over the years. but please, don't tell me what to do. i don't need help.

Fair response and I get why you are frustrated with this season and the staff.

sorry, _Fan. I'm really sick. I have a bad chest cold. I had to scramble to find a substitute teacher to cover for me this morning. I'd be kinder to you if I was in a better state of feeling/being. You've always been super kind and are just interested in turning people on to cool aspects of K-State sports/stats. And doing so in a calm and rational manner. Which I appreciate. I apologize.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: kso_FAN on October 23, 2017, 11:49:08 AM
i've donated to fatty fest. i know what's up. don't treat me like a child. you are obviously a very smart and capable adult, and your football acumen plus tech knowledge has enriched my online life over the years. but please, don't tell me what to do. i don't need help.

Fair response and I get why you are frustrated with this season and the staff.

sorry, _Fan. I'm really sick. I have a bad chest cold. I had to scramble to find a substitute teacher to cover for me this morning. I'd be kinder to you if I was in a better state of feeling/being. You've always been super kind and are just interested in turning people on to cool aspects of K-State sports/stats. And doing so in a calm and rational manner. Which I appreciate. I apologize.

I was kinda being a prick too, its all good. :cheers:
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: Trim on October 23, 2017, 11:52:56 AM
:cheers:

Back to my point, those beers were only $2.50 each at McCoy's.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: 'taterblast on October 23, 2017, 12:01:32 PM
i don't totally understand why the offense is catching all the heat. defense was equally if not more shitty, particularly in the second half on saturday.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: Trim on October 23, 2017, 12:07:33 PM
i don't totally understand why the offense is catching all the heat. defense was equally if not more shitty, particularly in the second half on saturday.

Because compared to the defense, it appeared that we had offensive players and plays that could have succeeded had we chosen to use them.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: kso_FAN on October 23, 2017, 12:07:54 PM
i don't totally understand why the offense is catching all the heat. defense was equally if not more shitty, particularly in the second half on saturday.

It was terrible, but I think Dimel has become the popular target this season. Plus, the 3rd quarter offense was pretty dreadful. Finally, the defense overall is probably about what most people expected, but the offense has been a big disappointment given the number of returners.

Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: 'taterblast on October 23, 2017, 12:12:56 PM
^good points
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: kso_FAN on October 23, 2017, 01:18:37 PM
i don't totally understand why the offense is catching all the heat. defense was equally if not more shitty, particularly in the second half on saturday.

This makes things more relevant to this point though.

https://www.footballstudyhall.com/pages/2017-kansas-state-advanced-statistical-profile

Note the percentile performances for the offense and defense for OU. Offense is at 83%, even with that 3rd quarter, while defense is a laughable 18%. UT was even worse at 16%.

But then the offense has 9% and 10% performances vs Vandy and TCU.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: DQ12 on October 23, 2017, 06:19:07 PM
Nothing will change until Snyder's ready to go.  Like it or not.

I've stopped going to the games not to prove a point or anything, but because the games I'd gone to this year have been depressing and boring.  We're just a fringe bowl team and exceedingly boring. 
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: Super PurpleCat on October 24, 2017, 11:23:10 AM
I brought my "I care" level down to a "oh, the game is on?  Let me check the score app" level and I feel wonderful.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: MadCat on October 24, 2017, 11:29:52 AM
Eventually physical sports will be boiled down to a random number generator.  :emawkid:
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: stunted on October 25, 2017, 03:10:01 AM
ive always been a big sunshine pumper (still have hope for oscar's squad) but the light inside me has died when it comes to emaw football.

the talent isn't far off last year. questionable play calls, questionable roster decisions, disgruntled players, and playing all-around shitty...just burn it all down.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: TheTruth on October 25, 2017, 06:06:03 AM
What did Florida State (Bowden) and Penn State (Paterno) do? Two entrenched coaches that stayed way too long.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 25, 2017, 06:20:36 AM
More details emerging as to just how lame AF our head coach is about recruiting and it’s intentional.   Tiny amount of resources devoted to recruiting relative to other P5 schools (it’s not a money problem).   

Well connected alums getting viable information about legit P5 prospects (who are very interested in Kstate) to the Kstate football offices.   That’s not followed up on. 

Whole periods of no contact from the Kstate. 

Kstate backing off prospects straight out when interest from other P5 schools heats up.   Because Snyder just doesn’t want to deal with it. 
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: PurpleOil on October 25, 2017, 07:05:49 AM
That is not the least big surprising to me, which is just another reason that this needs to be his last year. This entire coaching staff needs to go out to pasture.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2017, 12:48:44 PM
What did Florida State (Bowden) and Penn State (Paterno) do? Two entrenched coaches that stayed way too long.

Bowden was forced out.
Paterno is a non comparison not only because of that little pedo thing but at the end he truly was not coaching. He was literally pooping his pants (not a joke) and he spent most of the time in the press box.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 25, 2017, 12:56:31 PM
I really hope we don't have a paternoesque situation here in the future (non pedo related) but with a spineless AD and the whole gang together I could see it albeit with turmoil


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Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 25, 2017, 01:29:02 PM
More details emerging as to just how lame AF our head coach is about recruiting and it’s intentional.   Tiny amount of resources devoted to recruiting relative to other P5 schools (it’s not a money problem).   

Well connected alums getting viable information about legit P5 prospects (who are very interested in Kstate) to the Kstate football offices.   That’s not followed up on. 

Whole periods of no contact from the Kstate. 

Kstate backing off prospects straight out when interest from other P5 schools heats up.   Because Snyder just doesn’t want to deal with it.
Funny how these reports magically appear on every down year.  :dubious:
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 25, 2017, 01:41:38 PM
More details emerging as to just how lame AF our head coach is about recruiting and it’s intentional.   Tiny amount of resources devoted to recruiting relative to other P5 schools (it’s not a money problem).   

Well connected alums getting viable information about legit P5 prospects (who are very interested in Kstate) to the Kstate football offices.   That’s not followed up on. 

Whole periods of no contact from the Kstate. 

Kstate backing off prospects straight out when interest from other P5 schools heats up.   Because Snyder just doesn’t want to deal with it.
Funny how these reports magically appear on every down year.  :dubious:

I know you’re a super fan who can’t stand reality. 

But we’ve lost 22 straight to final Top 25 Teams, we’re going to lose at least 4 games for the 5th consecutive season and a whole bunch of other extremely mediocre stuff.

So which is it WackyTuck? Recruiting, coaching or both?   
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 25, 2017, 01:44:55 PM
I think nothing has changed comparatively, but that's just me. Keep listening to your fake insider conspiracy weirdos tho.

If anything, we've whiffed on high profile recruits. Pringle, Walker, Strickland, etc.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 25, 2017, 05:29:10 PM
I think nothing has changed comparatively, but that's just me. Keep listening to your fake insider conspiracy weirdos tho.

If anything, we've whiffed on high profile recruits. Pringle, Walker, Strickland, etc.

I don’t consider former players who work with recruits, inside conspiracy theory weirdos.  Nor do I consider sports architects who have literally designed and seen the staffing of recruiting centers at other schools to be inside conspiracy theory weirdos. 

“High Profile” recruit is a relative term at Kstate. 

But by all means WackyTuck, immerse yourself in the malaise.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 25, 2017, 05:32:09 PM
 :lol:

LOOK AT YOU!
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: mocat on October 25, 2017, 05:38:45 PM
Grats dax, you got LOOK AT YOU'd. No period after every word tho, maybe do better next time?
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 25, 2017, 05:53:27 PM
So bitter these days.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 26, 2017, 05:24:49 AM
WackyTuck is at 11 these days.

Just another K-State fan that's just happy to be here. 

A real juice box and orange slices kind of guy.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: nicname on October 26, 2017, 07:14:59 AM
I really hope we don't have a paternoesque situation here in the future (non pedo related) but with a spineless AD and the whole gang together I could see it albeit with turmoil


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like with the poop too?  :Yuck:
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: kso_FAN on October 26, 2017, 07:20:19 AM
When do we become a version of paternoesque? If the staff comes back next year? 2 more? 3?
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: meow meow on October 26, 2017, 08:57:15 AM
these days
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 26, 2017, 10:24:57 AM
When do we become a version of paternoesque? If the staff comes back next year? 2 more? 3?
I'd say once bill is no longer on the sideline for games.. its all over then
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: kso_FAN on October 26, 2017, 10:29:11 AM
these days

Days like these. I feel like I can change the world. Days like these, days like these.
Title: Re: We Need to Effect Change
Post by: CHONGS on October 26, 2017, 01:13:57 PM
There are few of us now, soon
There will be none. We were wildcats
Together, we believed we
Would see with our own eyes the new
World where fan was no longer
Squawk to fan, but men and women
Were all EMAW and EPAW
Together. We will not see it.
We will not see it, none of us.
It is farther off than we thought.
In our young days we believed
That as we grew old and fell
Out of rank, new recruits, young
And with the wisdom of youth,
Would take our places and they
Surely would grow old in the
Purple Age. They have not come.
They will not come. There are not
Many of us left. Once we
Marched in closed ranks, today each
Of us fights off the enemy,
A lonely isolated powercat.
All this has happened before,
Many times. It does not matter.
We were wildcats together.
Life was good for us. It is
Good to be brave — nothing is
Better. Food tastes better. Wine
Is more brilliant. Girls are more
Beautiful. The sky is bluer
For the chiefs — for the chiefs and
Happy wildcats and for the
Lonely brave retreating warriors.
You had a good life. Even all
Its sorrows and defeats and
Disillusionments were good,
Met with courage and a true heart.
You are gone and we are that
Much more alone. We are one fewer,
Soon we shall be none. We know now
We have failed for a long time.
And we do not care. We few will
Remember as long as we can,
Our children may remember,
Some day the world will remember.
Then they will say, “They lived in
The days of the good wildcats.
It must have been wonderful
To have been alive then, though it
Is very beautiful now.”
We will be remembered, all
Of us, always, by all fans,
In the good days now so far away.
If the good days never come,
We will not know. We will not care.
Our lives were the best. We were the
Happiest fans alive in our day.