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Title: Actually Bad?
Post by: steve dave on September 16, 2017, 09:22:54 AM
I refer to everyone as "guys" even if they are in fact girl guys. I have a new girl peer and I asked her permission to continue referring to the group as "guys". she said it was actually good. actually bad though?
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Post by: sys on September 16, 2017, 09:24:38 AM
you should be saying all y'all.  it's more inclusive.
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Post by: CHONGS on September 16, 2017, 09:42:06 AM
yinz
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Post by: michigancat on September 16, 2017, 10:22:13 AM
I've said folks. Feels pretty hokey but is gender neutral.

My last job had a ton of women so you were really conscious of it. One guy I worked with wasn't exactly good with the social aspect of things would refer to a group of women in positions of power as "you girls".

And yeah her saying "it's fine" doesn't exactly make it fine since it sounds like she's the only female in the boy's club. It might be! But her saying it's fine doesn't make it so.
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Post by: SdK on September 16, 2017, 10:34:40 AM
SdK to the three women in the office at the moment: Have a good weekend ladies.
Coworker: *laughs* Oh, I guess Mike isn't in here.
SdK: Yeah, I wouldn't insult you guys like that.

I then laughed hysterically at myself as I walked out the set of 36"x96"x1/2" double glass doors.
Title: Re: Actually Bad?
Post by: stunted on September 16, 2017, 11:58:45 AM
combine it: guys + gals = gays
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Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 16, 2017, 06:49:39 PM
 It is very sexist and misogynist to use the term guys when women (ciswomen or those who identify as women) are included. But I continue to use it until someone comes up with a non-stupid alternative.
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Post by: wetwillie on September 16, 2017, 06:56:42 PM
'Sup bitches' works in mixed company pretty well in my experience. YMMV.
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Post by: everyone shut up on September 16, 2017, 07:07:21 PM
what does ciswomen mean?
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Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 16, 2017, 07:13:25 PM
what does ciswomen mean?

Someone who is cisgender is a person who identifies as the gender that matches the body that they were born with.
Title: Re: Actually Bad?
Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2017, 07:15:22 PM
Comrades
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Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2017, 07:16:52 PM
Team members
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Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 16, 2017, 07:17:50 PM
 What if they are not Russian and you are not on any team with them?
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Post by: wetwillie on September 16, 2017, 07:18:42 PM
Fellow associates
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Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2017, 07:29:33 PM
Everyone
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Post by: mocat on September 16, 2017, 07:33:21 PM
I can't say y'all I just can't
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Post by: SdK on September 16, 2017, 07:34:59 PM
I think stunted has had the best advice thus far.
Title: Re: Actually Bad?
Post by: steve dave on September 16, 2017, 07:48:25 PM
Everyone

I'm not replacing a simple one syllable word with a 15 syllable one
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Post by: star seed 7 on September 16, 2017, 08:10:32 PM
If you want to alienate your female coworkers for the sake of brevity, then I guess that's your prerogative sd  :dunno:
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Post by: sys on September 16, 2017, 08:59:29 PM
I can't say y'all I just can't

try all y'all.
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 16, 2017, 08:59:45 PM
Co-workerbees seems most appropriate here
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Post by: IPA4Me on September 16, 2017, 09:28:02 PM
Guys. That's it. The rest is just rough ridin' someone who makes me uncomfortable bullahit.
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Post by: puniraptor on September 16, 2017, 09:36:17 PM
Mina-san
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Post by: Trim on September 16, 2017, 09:38:45 PM
Minions of hate.
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Post by: stunted on September 16, 2017, 10:21:10 PM
humans
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Post by: Tobias on September 16, 2017, 11:44:47 PM
zero percent bad, guys is correct
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Post by: puniraptor on September 17, 2017, 12:17:27 AM
i say guys and so does everybody else including ladies

i think guys is gender neutral
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Post by: chum1 on September 17, 2017, 08:11:27 AM
I see the question as one of whether "guys" is appropriate/courteous/respectful in spite of the fact that it can be gender neutral.

The fact that it warrants discussion could be an indication that "guys" isn't the best option.
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Post by: puniraptor on September 17, 2017, 08:14:45 AM
yeah well you gotta read the room
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Post by: Tobias on September 17, 2017, 09:33:50 AM
100% guys all the time, eff the haters
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Post by: Skipper44 on September 17, 2017, 09:59:21 AM
Peeps
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Post by: stunted on September 17, 2017, 05:03:53 PM
skanks
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Post by: TheHamburglar on September 17, 2017, 07:29:50 PM
This just made me realize my wife will sometimes say "guys" to our two daughters.  I think it's from her teaching days where she would regularly say "guys" to her class.
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Post by: star seed 7 on September 17, 2017, 07:33:46 PM
this goes deep
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Post by: michigancat on September 17, 2017, 07:57:49 PM
This just made me realize my wife will sometimes say "guys" to our two daughters.  I think it's from her teaching days where she would regularly say "guys" to her class.

I have two daughters and when I'm around my nephews I'm always like "let's go girls".
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Post by: GregKSU1027 on April 26, 2018, 04:09:37 PM
Fellow associates
Fellow Americans
 Just go full George Bush on em

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Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on April 27, 2018, 10:46:52 AM
folks seems like an acceptable alternative, but yeah I'd use guys
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 27, 2018, 10:52:54 AM
"you people"
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Post by: Cire on April 27, 2018, 12:16:22 PM
in college I had a professional communications class that strongly discouraged saying you guys 
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Post by: Shooter Jones on April 27, 2018, 12:33:26 PM
It is very sexist and misogynist to use the term guys when women (ciswomen or those who identify as women) are included.

Lol, no.

i think guys is gender neutral

It is.

Guy: 1 b : person —used in plural to refer to the members of a group regardless of sex
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Post by: 8manpick on April 27, 2018, 12:38:11 PM
Shooter, are you a time traveler from 1988 or what?
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Post by: Spracne on April 27, 2018, 12:53:08 PM
P sure "fam" is the new "you guys."
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Post by: wetwillie on April 27, 2018, 12:53:57 PM
I hear women refer to mixed gender groups as guys all the time , the only people that are offended by it are hyper pc someone who makes me uncomfortable types.
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Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 27, 2018, 01:29:48 PM
I hear women refer to mixed gender groups as guys all the time , the only people that are offended by it are hyper pc someone who makes me uncomfortable types.

Just because women do something, doesn't make it right or not misogynistic. Women were raised in a misogynistic world.
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Post by: Shooter Jones on April 27, 2018, 01:55:45 PM
Shooter, are you a time traveler from 1988 or what?

Switch the two middle numbers around.
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Post by: Phil Titola on April 27, 2018, 02:33:39 PM
“All” or just nothing....go right into it
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Post by: mocat on April 27, 2018, 03:28:28 PM
take it up with the founders of the english language mrs gooch
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Post by: MakeItRain on April 29, 2018, 12:01:07 AM
combine it: guys + gals = gays
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 29, 2018, 09:33:09 AM
Stupid thread
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Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 29, 2018, 10:39:04 AM
take it up with the founders of the english language mrs gooch

I don't think the word "guys" existed when the English language was founded.
Title: Re: Actually Bad?
Post by: Shooter Jones on April 29, 2018, 10:47:22 AM
Hey guys, Every Person A Wildcat.
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Post by: Stupid Fitz on May 01, 2018, 01:34:27 PM
humans

Doodz