Post by: CHONGS on August 14, 2017, 01:29:38 PM
1) played at least one snap at KSU
2) in the past 25 years
This includes:
Jason Smargiasso, Matt Garber, Chad May, Brian Kavanagh, Matt Miller, Jonathan Beasley, Michael Bishop, Adam Helm, Casey Vidricksen, Jeremy Milne, Ell Roberson, Marc Dunn, Jeff Schwinn, Dylan Meier, Allen Webb, Allan Evridge, Josh Freeman, Carson Coffman, Grant Gregory, Collin Klein, Sammuel Lamur, Daniel Sams, Jake Waters, Joe Hubener, Kody Cook, Jesse Ertz, Alex Delton
what is your draft order (top 10 ONLY) based on "skill/potential" to play college QB.
1. Mike Bishop
2. Josh Freeman
3. Ell Roberson
4. Jesse Ertz
5. Jonathan Beasley
6. Chad May
7. Collin Klein
8. Jake Waters
9. Matt Miller
10. Daniel Sams
Got pretty hard toward the end there.
Post by: scottwildcat on August 14, 2017, 01:34:42 PM
Freeman
Bishop
Roberson
Waters
Ertz
Sams
Beasley
May
Klein
Evridge
Post by: Skipper44 on August 14, 2017, 01:35:50 PM
Bishop
Ell
CK
Beasley
Ertz
Freeman
May
Sams
Miller
Waters
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 14, 2017, 01:46:55 PM
Ell
CK
Beasley
Waters
Ertz
May
Freeman
Sams
Miller
Post by: DQ12 on August 14, 2017, 02:02:45 PM
1. Bishop
2. Freeman
3. Klein
4. Roberson
5. May
6. Beasley
7. Ertz
8. Waters
9. Sams
10. CCQ
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on August 14, 2017, 02:04:32 PM
Post by: bucket on August 14, 2017, 02:06:28 PM
2. Ell Roberson
3. Collin Klein
4. Josh Freeman
5. Chad May
6. Jonathan Beasley
7. Jesse Ertz
8. Jake Waters
9. Matt Miller
10. Daniel Sams
Post by: DQ12 on August 14, 2017, 02:07:50 PM
Sleep on Ertz is real.He may ascend the list, but right now, he's put about half a season of good football together. Definitely reason to be optimistic, but right now, I'd take someone with a more proven track record.
Post by: meow meow on August 14, 2017, 02:15:03 PM
Roberson
Ertz
Beasley
Klein
May
Freeman
Waters
Sams
Miller
Post by: KsuWildcatsXII on August 14, 2017, 03:35:38 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 14, 2017, 03:45:30 PM
Roberson
Ertz
Freeman
Klein
May
Waters
Miller
Beasley/Cavanaugh/CCQ
Post by: Pete on August 14, 2017, 03:45:59 PM
Semi-related: I've wondered before how much Freeman could have benefited from staying for his senior season and spending a year under Snyder. Can't imagine it would have improved his draft stock, but I do wonder if it could have made him a little tougher.
I suppose you could either make the argument that him toughening up a bit might have given him a year or two more in the NFL. Or, that he would have slipped a few rounds lower in the draft (e.g. Snyder kills all QB's, few showcased pro style experiences fresh in scouts mind, blah blah blah).
Post by: MakeItRain on August 14, 2017, 03:48:59 PM
Semi-related: I've wondered before how much Freeman could have benefited from staying for his senior season and spending a year under Snyder. Can't imagine it would have improved his draft stock, but I do wonder if it could have made him a little tougher.
I don't know if he was willing and able to run the ball like Snyder wants the QB to run, which is completely fine, the guy was an arm for hire. He was just as good as Tim Couch who was an overall #1 pick.
Post by: Skipper44 on August 14, 2017, 03:49:42 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 14, 2017, 03:51:41 PM
GREAT thread, Chingon. Love stuff like this.
No problem
apologies for being a petty little bitch
Post by: KsuWildcatsXII on August 14, 2017, 04:02:12 PM
Staying would almost assuredly cost him draft position as his passing numbers would have come down in the slothfense w/o Jordy and with DT.
I definitely understand why he left when he did and can't really fault him for it. And it's not like one year under Snyder would have added years to his NFL career or anything. It's just something that's crossed my mind a couple times. I guess I forgot how much the offense relied on DT in '09. Outside of Banks, Freeman wouldn't have had many guys to throw to. Unless I'm forgetting someone obvious...
Post by: Pett on August 14, 2017, 04:36:37 PM
2. Roberson (Back to back 11 win seasons)
3. Klein (Heisman finalist)
4. May
5. Waters (underrated)
6. Beasley (Back to back 11 win seasons + two bowl victories)
7. Freeman (TO prone)
8. Ertz (could move up to #4 with a great season)
9. Miller/Kavanagh
10. Sams
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 14, 2017, 04:38:16 PM
Staying would almost assuredly cost him draft position as his passing numbers would have come down in the slothfense w/o Jordy and with DT.
I definitely understand why he left when he did and can't really fault him for it. And it's not like one year under Snyder would have added years to his NFL career or anything. It's just something that's crossed my mind a couple times. I guess I forgot how much the offense relied on DT in '09. Outside of Banks, Freeman wouldn't have had many guys to throw to. Unless I'm forgetting someone obvious...
Our receivers in '09 would have been a lot better with an NFL QB throwing them passes instead of CCQ and Grant Gregory.
Post by: pissclams on August 14, 2017, 05:21:37 PM
Post by: pissclams on August 14, 2017, 05:35:39 PM
bishop
freeman
golden arm
roberson
the rest
waters
klein
beasley/miller
sisco- can't judge him until he's done doing his thing
Post by: Pete on August 14, 2017, 06:19:12 PM
First man to QB the Cats to back to back bowls.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 14, 2017, 08:18:54 PM
Roberson
Freeman
May
Klein
Miller
Ertz
Beas
Waters
This is hard because I basically make a list of who I want and not necessarily what the OP (op) asked for.
Post by: SdK on August 14, 2017, 09:01:21 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 14, 2017, 09:54:25 PM
Post by: ben ji on August 14, 2017, 09:55:50 PM
1. Bishop
2. Klein
3. Ell
4. Freeman
5. Beasley
6. May
7. Ertz
8. Waters
9. Kavanagh
10. Milne
Post by: pissclams on August 14, 2017, 10:00:30 PM
I assume in this draft they play "College QB" Under LHCBS, if not I would move Klein down, like alot.
1. Bishop
2. Klein
3. Ell
4. Freeman
5. Beasley
6. May
7. Ertz
8. Waters
9. Kavanagh
10. Milne
i'm mocking you so hard right now
Post by: 0.42 on August 14, 2017, 11:30:08 PM
2. CCQ
3-10 who cares you've all thrown your computers across the room by now go cats
Post by: cas4ksu on August 15, 2017, 08:47:54 AM
Sleep on Ertz is real.He may ascend the list, but right now, he's put about half a season of good football together. Definitely reason to be optimistic, but right now, I'd take someone with a more proven track record.
So you put Sisco ahead of Jake Waters? That makes a lot of sense, you dolt.
Post by: cas4ksu on August 15, 2017, 08:55:37 AM
Give the pool of all QBs who:
1) played at least one snap at KSU
2) in the past 25 years
This includes:
Jason Smargiasso, Matt Garber, Chad May, Brian Kavanagh, Matt Miller, Jonathan Beasley, Michael Bishop, Adam Helm, Casey Vidricksen, Jeremy Milne, Ell Roberson, Marc Dunn, Jeff Schwinn, Dylan Meier, Allen Webb, Allan Evridge, Josh Freeman, Carson Coffman, Grant Gregory, Collin Klein, Sammuel Lamur, Daniel Sams, Jake Waters, Joe Hubener, Kody Cook, Jesse Ertz, Alex Delton
what is your draft order (top 10 ONLY) based on "skill/potential" to play college QB.
1. Mike Bishop
2. Josh Freeman
3. Ell Roberson
4. Jesse Ertz
5. Jonathan Beasley
6. Chad May
7. Collin Klein
8. Jake Waters
9. Matt Miller
10. Daniel Sams
Got pretty hard toward the end there.
1. Bishop
2. Klein
3. Freeman
4. Ell
5. May
6. Waters
7. Beasley
8. Sisco
9. Sams
10. Matt Miller
Post by: meow meow on August 15, 2017, 08:56:48 AM
Post by: meow meow on August 15, 2017, 08:57:41 AM
Give the pool of all QBs who:
1) played at least one snap at KSU
2) in the past 25 years
This includes:
Jason Smargiasso, Matt Garber, Chad May, Brian Kavanagh, Matt Miller, Jonathan Beasley, Michael Bishop, Adam Helm, Casey Vidricksen, Jeremy Milne, Ell Roberson, Marc Dunn, Jeff Schwinn, Dylan Meier, Allen Webb, Allan Evridge, Josh Freeman, Carson Coffman, Grant Gregory, Collin Klein, Sammuel Lamur, Daniel Sams, Jake Waters, Joe Hubener, Kody Cook, Jesse Ertz, Alex Delton
what is your draft order (top 10 ONLY) based on "skill/potential" to play college QB.
1. Mike Bishop
2. Josh Freeman
3. Ell Roberson
4. Jesse Ertz
5. Jonathan Beasley
6. Chad May
7. Collin Klein
8. Jake Waters
9. Matt Miller
10. Daniel Sams
Got pretty hard toward the end there.
1. Bishop
2. Klein
3. Freeman
4. May
5. Waters
6. Beasley
7. Sisco
8. Sams
9. Matt Miller
10. Allen Webb (big ups for '05 MU)
This dolt doesn't even have Roberson :lol:
Post by: cas4ksu on August 15, 2017, 09:01:49 AM
given the choice of Ertz coming off his junior senior vs Waters coming off his senior season to lead this team, i'm taking Ertz every single time
That's fair. A lot of the knock on Waters is that he wasn't a great runner, which traditionally is the biggest part of our offense. On the 2014 team though he was probably the best fit of a KSU QB besides Freeman to lead a team like that.
--Slightly off topic: Would the 2014 team have been better or worse with Freeman at QB rather than Waters? If so, how much? I say better. Would have been fun seeing Freeman sling it to Lockett/Sexton.
Post by: cas4ksu on August 15, 2017, 09:02:22 AM
Give the pool of all QBs who:
1) played at least one snap at KSU
2) in the past 25 years
This includes:
Jason Smargiasso, Matt Garber, Chad May, Brian Kavanagh, Matt Miller, Jonathan Beasley, Michael Bishop, Adam Helm, Casey Vidricksen, Jeremy Milne, Ell Roberson, Marc Dunn, Jeff Schwinn, Dylan Meier, Allen Webb, Allan Evridge, Josh Freeman, Carson Coffman, Grant Gregory, Collin Klein, Sammuel Lamur, Daniel Sams, Jake Waters, Joe Hubener, Kody Cook, Jesse Ertz, Alex Delton
what is your draft order (top 10 ONLY) based on "skill/potential" to play college QB.
1. Mike Bishop
2. Josh Freeman
3. Ell Roberson
4. Jesse Ertz
5. Jonathan Beasley
6. Chad May
7. Collin Klein
8. Jake Waters
9. Matt Miller
10. Daniel Sams
Got pretty hard toward the end there.
1. Bishop
2. Klein
3. Freeman
4. May
5. Waters
6. Beasley
7. Sisco
8. Sams
9. Matt Miller
10. Allen Webb (big ups for '05 MU)
This dolt doesn't even have Roberson :lol:
:blank: I knew I was missing someone. I am a total buffoon.
Post by: meow meow on August 15, 2017, 09:07:20 AM
given the choice of Ertz coming off his junior senior vs Waters coming off his senior season to lead this team, i'm taking Ertz every single time
That's fair. A lot of the knock on Waters is that he wasn't a great runner, which traditionally is the biggest part of our offense. On the 2014 team though he was probably the best fit of a KSU QB besides Freeman to lead a team like that.
--Slightly off topic: Would the 2014 team have been better or worse with Freeman at QB rather than Waters? If so, how much? I say better. Would have been fun seeing Freeman sling it to Lockett/Sexton.
i would take Ertz over Waters on the 2014 team in a heart beat.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 15, 2017, 09:11:49 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on August 15, 2017, 09:16:46 AM
1. Bishop
2. Klein
3. Roberson
4. Freeman
5. Ertz
6. May
7. Beasley
8. Waters
-BIG GAP-
9. Miller
10. Kavanaugh
Post by: SdK on August 15, 2017, 09:35:38 AM
WowGive the pool of all QBs who:
1) played at least one snap at KSU
2) in the past 25 years
This includes:
Jason Smargiasso, Matt Garber, Chad May, Brian Kavanagh, Matt Miller, Jonathan Beasley, Michael Bishop, Adam Helm, Casey Vidricksen, Jeremy Milne, Ell Roberson, Marc Dunn, Jeff Schwinn, Dylan Meier, Allen Webb, Allan Evridge, Josh Freeman, Carson Coffman, Grant Gregory, Collin Klein, Sammuel Lamur, Daniel Sams, Jake Waters, Joe Hubener, Kody Cook, Jesse Ertz, Alex Delton
what is your draft order (top 10 ONLY) based on "skill/potential" to play college QB.
1. Mike Bishop
2. Josh Freeman
3. Ell Roberson
4. Jesse Ertz
5. Jonathan Beasley
6. Chad May
7. Collin Klein
8. Jake Waters
9. Matt Miller
10. Daniel Sams
Got pretty hard toward the end there.
1. Bishop
2. Klein
3. Freeman
4. May
5. Waters
6. Beasley
7. Sisco
8. Sams
9. Matt Miller
10. Allen Webb (big ups for '05 MU)
This dolt doesn't even have Roberson
Post by: Poster formerly known as jthutch on August 15, 2017, 09:37:48 AM
I agree with this, but Snyder let Chad May sling the ball a little bit and I don't remember May running the option very much but I was young then and didn't pay as close of attention to the play selections. so maybe he would have adjusted to Freeman's strong points. I've often thought about what would have happened for sure.Semi-related: I've wondered before how much Freeman could have benefited from staying for his senior season and spending a year under Snyder. Can't imagine it would have improved his draft stock, but I do wonder if it could have made him a little tougher.
I don't know if he was willing and able to run the ball like Snyder wants the QB to run, which is completely fine, the guy was an arm for hire. He was just as good as Tim Couch who was an overall #1 pick.
Post by: DQ12 on August 15, 2017, 10:36:59 AM
Post by: meow meow on August 15, 2017, 11:13:53 AM
How humiliating for cas.
not a good look at all
Post by: pissclams on August 15, 2017, 11:38:17 AM
I agree with this, but Snyder let Chad May sling the ball a little bit and I don't remember May running the option very much but I was young then and didn't pay as close of attention to the play selections. so maybe he would have adjusted to Freeman's strong points. I've often thought about what would have happened for sure.Semi-related: I've wondered before how much Freeman could have benefited from staying for his senior season and spending a year under Snyder. Can't imagine it would have improved his draft stock, but I do wonder if it could have made him a little tougher.
I don't know if he was willing and able to run the ball like Snyder wants the QB to run, which is completely fine, the guy was an arm for hire. He was just as good as Tim Couch who was an overall #1 pick.
snyder has always designed his offense around his qb's
Post by: mocat on August 15, 2017, 11:42:44 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 15, 2017, 11:45:36 AM
Post by: Skipper44 on August 15, 2017, 11:50:33 AM
and may still checked into short side option but I think we had to be +2 in the boxI agree with this, but Snyder let Chad May sling the ball a little bit and I don't remember May running the option very much but I was young then and didn't pay as close of attention to the play selections. so maybe he would have adjusted to Freeman's strong points. I've often thought about what would have happened for sure.Semi-related: I've wondered before how much Freeman could have benefited from staying for his senior season and spending a year under Snyder. Can't imagine it would have improved his draft stock, but I do wonder if it could have made him a little tougher.
I don't know if he was willing and able to run the ball like Snyder wants the QB to run, which is completely fine, the guy was an arm for hire. He was just as good as Tim Couch who was an overall #1 pick.
snyder has always designed his offense around his qb's
Post by: stunted on August 15, 2017, 05:26:00 PM
2) bishop
3) roberson
4) freeman (assuming he commits to snyderball)
5) ertz
6) waters
7) beasley
8) coffman
9) webb
10) cook
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 16, 2017, 09:59:50 AM
1. Bishop
2. Freeman
3. Ell
4. Klein
5. Ertz
6. May
7. Beas
8. Marc Dunn (yeah that's right haters) :Wha:
9. Waters
10. Sams
Post by: pissclams on August 16, 2017, 11:13:09 AM
Cings said "skill/potential" so Freeman at 2 is probably right.
4. Klein
9. Waters
Quote
Broke the school's career records for completion percentage, passing efficiency, total offensive yards per game (260.2) and passing yards per attempt among QBs with 500 or more attempts (9.09)... Also finished second in school history in career touchdowns, ranked third in passing yards and passing yards per game, fourth in completions and total offensive yards (6,766), fifth in attempts and sixth in touchdowns responsible for (55)...
Cings said "skill/potential" so Freeman at 2 is probably right.
4. Klein
9. Waters
i had to quote it twice...this message board's "take" on waters, i mean, :lol:
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 16, 2017, 11:19:38 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 16, 2017, 12:49:16 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 16, 2017, 01:58:25 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 16, 2017, 02:00:59 PM
Post by: cas4ksu on August 16, 2017, 02:02:36 PM
Waters doesn't even make my top 20
Well, that's just foolish.
Post by: meow meow on August 16, 2017, 02:12:45 PM
Waters doesn't even make my top 20
Well, that's just foolish.
Roberson not in your top 10 is foolish, i simply don't understand the logic
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 16, 2017, 02:15:03 PM
Dual threats are always going to be popular and sexy, but it was nice to mix it up for once. :love:
Post by: mocat on August 16, 2017, 02:18:13 PM
Post by: pissclams on August 16, 2017, 02:35:31 PM
does Klein have any school records?
jesse ertz does-
Quote
Recorded an 83-yard touchdown pass to Pringle at TCU, the eighth-longest pass play in school history... Rushed 30 times against Oklahoma State, tying for the fifth most in K-State history among quarterbacks...
Post by: cas4ksu on August 16, 2017, 03:02:48 PM
Waters doesn't even make my top 20
Well, that's just foolish.
Roberson not in your top 10 is foolish, i simply don't understand the logic
I FORGOT HIM, OK? I RATED HIM 4TH IN MY REVISED RANKINGS.
Post by: meow meow on August 16, 2017, 03:05:16 PM
Waters doesn't even make my top 20
Well, that's just foolish.
Roberson not in your top 10 is foolish, i simply don't understand the logic
I FORGOT HIM, OK? I RATED HIM 4TH IN MY REVISED RANKINGS.
just makes no sense how you could forget Roberson, smdh
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 16, 2017, 03:13:22 PM
Post by: Pete on August 16, 2017, 06:08:49 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 16, 2017, 11:46:28 PM
matt miller is the one getting no respect
Definitely
1. Age of posters
2. I think he is hurt by what we saw the last time we saw Miller and how amazing Cavanaugh looked in relief.
Post by: ChiComCat on August 18, 2017, 10:50:55 AM
Post by: pissclams on August 18, 2017, 12:22:25 PM
The only thing that I remembered about Miller firsthand was that I thought he was a good runner when I was 9 or so.Decent arm, decent runner, not exceptional at either but pretty good overall KAT QB.
One play we ran he threw the ball off of the crown to mitch running
Post by: Shooter Jones on August 18, 2017, 03:24:06 PM
2. May
3. Freeman
Think I'm forgetting some.
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on August 19, 2017, 01:01:51 PM
2. Chad May
Don't care about the rest
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Post by: Kat Kid on August 20, 2017, 07:31:08 AM
2. Freeman
3. Roberson
4. May
5. Ertz
6. Klein
7. Beasley
8. Miller
9. Waters
10. Sams
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Post by: Kat Kid on August 20, 2017, 07:38:00 AM
1. Bishop
2. Freeman
3. Roberson
4. May
5. Ertz
6. Klein
7. Beasley
8. Miller
9. Waters
10. Sams
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1-4 did it, studs
5 lots of potential
6-10 entering seriously flawed zone where guys either maximized potential with serious flaws or we never got a clear picture because of scheme/era/injury/PT
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Post by: SdK on August 20, 2017, 08:09:41 AM
I watched a few and he never came close to moving the needle for me.
Post by: The Big Train on August 20, 2017, 08:35:17 AM
Post by: SdK on August 20, 2017, 08:36:32 AM
Post by: SdK on August 20, 2017, 09:24:14 AM
Bishop, Klein, Ell, Ertz, DT, JB, DS.I'll add Freeman before Sams. I admit I can't get over how stupid he looked in uniform and his association to RP.
Bishop
Klein
Ell
Ertz
Waters
JB
Daniel Thomas
Freeman
Daniel Sams
Mormon
At 32, I don't really have an opinion on anyone before Bishop.
Post by: The Big Train on August 20, 2017, 09:28:07 AM
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Post by: cas4ksu on August 21, 2017, 08:47:21 AM
Surprised you didn't have Kody Cook over Bishop
I'll always give Cook respect for how he handled getting thrown into action in 2015. All things considered, he filled in admirably.
Post by: SdK on September 16, 2017, 11:10:59 PM
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Post by: GregKSU1027 on September 16, 2017, 11:45:32 PM
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Post by: bucket on September 17, 2017, 05:14:30 PM
1. Mike Bishop
2. Ell Roberson
3. Collin Klein
4. Josh Freeman
5. Chad May
6. Jonathan Beasley
7.Jesse Ertz
8. Jake Waters
9. Matt Miller
10. Daniel Sams
Post by: stunted on September 17, 2017, 05:17:15 PM
1) klein (pre-sketti brained, as played after roberson)
2) bishop
3) roberson
4) freeman (assuming he commits to snyderball)
5) ertz
6) waters
7) beasley
8) coffman
9) webb
10) cook
1) klein (pre-sketti brained, as played after roberson)
2) bishop
3) roberson
4) ertz
5) freeman (assuming he commits to snyderball)
6) waters
7) beasley
8) coffman
9) webb
10) cook
Post by: SdK on September 17, 2017, 05:20:02 PM
Post by: KST8FAN on September 17, 2017, 07:20:28 PM
1. El Roberson (Big12 champion, win @NU)
2. Collin Klein (Big12 champion, win @OU)
3. Michael Bishop (Fiesta Bowl champion, first win over NU)
4. Jonathon Beasley (two bowl wins, @OSU comeback win, @UT win)
5. Chad May (first win over OU, first bowl win)
6. Paul Watson (KU win in 91, Snyders first winning season 7-4 in 91, almost beating @NU L 31-38 in 91, ended 30 game road losing streak @ISU in 91) If I voted all heart he would be #1.
7. Carl Straw (Snyders first win in 89, first Big8 win 90)
8. Matt Miller (played injured in only meaningful KU game where both teams were ranked in 95 W41-7)
9. Brian Kavanagh (Holiday Bowl, Cotton Bowl)
10. Jake Waters (BWW bowl win, @OU win)
Tom