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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: renocat on April 22, 2017, 05:26:15 PM
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So how is Don Jr. Honoring mamaEarth on Earth Day? He is on a big game safari shooting pregnant prairie dogs in Montana. More like a rodent sniper than hunter. Shove it up your butt little critter lovers. He supposedly is using a Glock pistol. I think PETA is croaking
http://www.alternet.org/environment/donald-trump-jr-going-montana-kill-pregnant-prairie-dogs
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What's the point of hunting prairie dogs?
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Population control. But mostly it's very fun.
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Like it's very enjoyable to watch a 55 grain pill zip through them at 3100 feet per second. Turns them inside out, well whatever it doesn't turn to mist. Then, no crap, sometimes their buddies try to drag their fallen comrades back into the hole and you get to make them Medal of Honor Winners.
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I got one at 608 yards one time, GPS verified. Almost got rattlesnaked walking out to take pictures.
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They're known to carry the plague, the ones in SW KS had it a few years ago.
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Pretty ironic the excise taxes on the guns/ammo probably create more prairie dogs than people shoot.
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Population control.
you should stop saying this, it makes you seem stupid.
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Population control.
you should stop saying this, it makes you seem stupid.
It's survival of the fittest, sys
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Population control may be the dumbest reason/excuse for hunting/killing. Nature will take care of itself.
It being fun to someone is valid. But save the population control jibber jabber.
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Population control.
you should stop saying this, it makes you seem stupid.
Well you've clearly taken it out of context. You didn't even quote the entire very terse post.
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Population control may be the dumbest reason/excuse for hunting/killing. Nature will take care of itself.
It being fun to someone is valid. But save the population control jibber jabber.
Now sys this here is truly stupid. Like, beyond just ignorant stupid. Willfully stupid. Stupid enough to not even warrant having a conversation. Borderline Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) even.
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Hahaha I am working under the premise that population control hunting is due to an effect on humans. Is this incorrect?
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I lived in Colorado for a while. Aurora. I remember prairie dogs being wiped out so the city could expand. I am not in favor of that. Killing deer because they are eating crops or hitting cars? Tough crap. Bears coming too close to your home? Sorry about ya. Etc.
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Predatory fish wiping out a native species? Survival of the fittest.
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Especially in a man made lake. Gmafb.
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Like it's very enjoyable to watch a 55 grain pill zip through them at 3100 feet per second. Turns them inside out, well whatever it doesn't turn to mist. Then, no crap, sometimes their buddies try to drag their fallen comrades back into the hole and you get to make them Medal of Honor Winners.
No, they're rough ridin' evil and eat their comrades.
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They're super fun to shoot, like whack-a-mole only with a .223.
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SDK I don't know about prairie dogs, but with deer they don't self control their population. That can lead to issues in genetic diversity, starvation, and issues with disease.
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SDK I don't know about prairie dogs, but with deer they don't self control their population. That can lead to issues in genetic diversity, starvation, and issues with disease.
That's actually natural selection
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I guess herd/colony collapse is kinda like that. Unfortunately we've kinda thrown off the balance by removing apex predators.
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I guess herd/colony collapse is kinda like that. Unfortunately we've kinda thrown off the balance by removing apex predators.
Also natural selection
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Hey sage grouse can't deal with oil rigs on your leks? Tough crap that's natural selection bud.
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This prairie dog breeding and babying season. How is blowing pregnant mommas and nursing moms sport. This is not hunting or harvesting game. It's being a sniper and killing an innocent dang rat that gives mental peace to environmentalists.
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This prairie dog breeding and babying season. How is blowing pregnant mommas and nursing moms sport. This is not hunting or harvesting game. It's being a sniper and killing an innocent dang rat that gives mental peace to environmentalists.
It's a Trump kid, are you surprised?
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What was the animal they introduced to kill off the prairie dog that ended up co-habitating with them? Black-footed ferret? :ROFL:
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This prairie dog breeding and babying season. How is blowing pregnant mommas and nursing moms sport. This is not hunting or harvesting game. It's being a sniper and killing an innocent dang rat that gives mental peace to environmentalists.
it's an unethical pastime.
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It's no more unethical than cattle ranching.
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You get to turn an animal inside out with a big macho gun, what's not to love sys? High five fellow psychopaths!
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It's no more unethical than cattle ranching.
that's a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) comparison. it is not (imo, i recognize that there are rational people that disagree) unethical to end an animal's life to provide nourishment for a human or other animal. to inflict pain and loss of life upon a living creature for no other motivation or higher purpose than because a living target provides you with a frisson of excitement you don't experience with an inanimate target is not ethically comparable to using a living being to provide for the basic necessities of another living being.
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you forgot to take into account the primal fulfillment emo feels packing 50kg of pulped prairie dog 20 miles through the bush back to his truck to take home and provide for his family
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If you need moral justification (you shouldn't, they're free range rats, a nuisance and a pest), prairie dogs destroy cropland, which in turn leaves less food for people/livestock.
Or, it's no different than shooting a coyote trying to kill a calf, as the prairie dog is killing crops.
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i haven't seen too many prairie dogs that will turn a plowshare, but then again, i'm not really looking much. irregardless, emo isn't sighting in between rows of corn, so it's as stupid of a point as any you've ever posted.
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i admittedly don't know what I'm talking about, but that's not going to stop from being a stupid prick
They also make holes that cattle break they're legs in.
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They also make holes that cattle break they're legs in.
i won't say never, but that basically never happens. cows have pretty good legs.
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They eat feed intended for cattle. Ranchers who have had me as guests have asked me to shoot them and I did, and enjoyed myself. They are absolutely pests, and their existence can be at a cost to humans. It's no different than killing mice in your home, except this can be fun. There is nothing unethical about having fun doing something that needs done anyway.
It would be more unethical not to kill them when you have the equipment, ability, and time to do so. It's like when the men of 2nd Ranger Battalion came upon the machine gun nest. They could have gone around it and still accomplished their mission, but ethically it would have been wrong to leave it there to ambush the next group of soldiers that came through.
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God forbid another creatures existence inconvenience the human race
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The irrational hatred of prairie dogs is particularly evident in the “varminters,” who speak reverently of “IVG” (instant visual gratification), experienced when their high-powered bullets make prairie dogs explode in “red mist.” “Red-Mist Society” T-shirts were popular in 1992 when, on another Audubon assignment, I observed a prairie dog shoot in South Dakota, where a bill was later introduced to rename the prairie dog the “prairie rat.” Rich Grable—better known as “Mr. Dog”—rested his .222 rifle on a foam pad taped to the base of his truck window and partly melted by barrel heat. Crack. He cut a target in half, sending hindquarters spinning. “Dead,” he declared, punching his dashboard-mounted kill counter. Babies, standing beside burrows with paws on their siblings’ shoulders, exploded in red mist. Once Grable killed five with a single shot. “Can ya hear it go plop?” he cackled. “Dissolved him! Ha. Ha.” Whenever a target dragged itself back into its burrow, minus major body parts, Mr. Dog would shout: “I done somethin’ to him.” According to his shooting journal, he’d killed 7,652 the previous year.
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There is nothing unethical about having doing something that needs done anyway.
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You guys wanna eat declicious longbones and then question the manner in which they are provided. I'd rather you just say thank you and be on your way.
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Haha known Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) bucket chimes in.
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:lol:
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Love ya, Emo. Good grief, Emo.
I catch the mice and set them free in a field. It will either survive or be a meal for another animal.
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It's not like the carcasses go to waste. They are eaten by coyotes or hawks or insects or bacteria. In that sense nothing is wasted.
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If you're a guest in your grandmas home, and she asks you to kill a spider for her, you do it. And let's be real, if you could kill it with an AR you would.
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They eat feed intended for cattle. Ranchers who have had me as guests have asked me to shoot them and I did, and enjoyed myself. They are absolutely pests, and their existence can be at a cost to humans.
the only part of that that is unequivocally true is that many ranchers prefer to kill them or have them killed. most studies of their effect on cattle forage suggest that they typically either increase forage availability (basically, decrease quantity, but improve quality allowing the cattle to eat more of the low quality forage because they have access to the high protein forage in prairie dog towns) or have no impact. it depends on the type of grassland, though. a few studies have found a small decrease in forage availability in some areas.
in exchange they provide a unique habitat used by large numbers of prairie species. for a handful of species, prairie dogs don't just improve habitat, they are a critical component of the habitat and removing them would likely drive those species to extinction. calling them pests is ignorant.
i'll also add that recreational shooting is not generally an effective means of eradication, so the attempt to find any non-recreational justification for the activity is essentially dishonest.
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sys you're only listing the pluses. If you're going to attack this from a logical perspective then you ought to list their negatives, too, otherwise you're being disingenuous.
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you're completely full of crap, emo. that's not my fault.
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let me articulate that better. when fsd says something stupid about wildlife, i assume it's because he's ignorant on the subject. you, oth, have an interest and a fair bit of knowledge about wildlife. so when you sit here repeating inanities and falsehoods, i assume it's in some sort of vain attempt to justify your participation in an activity that is clearly unjustifiable.
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Do you purport there are zero negatives to prairie dogs? Is that your assertion?
I don't have to justify it to myself. The OP asked why people do this, and the reasons I've given are reasons people do it. You haven't refuted that at all.
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FWIw, I clearly articulated how I think it's fun to shoot them.
Just as you think it's fun to feed live mice to snakes, even as unethical as that is.
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i don't think it's fun to feed live mice to snakes. however, i have done unethical things because i found those activities enjoyable, and at the time that i did them, i tried to rationalize my behavior much as you are doing. it's a very human impulse.
i mentioned one negative impact from prairie dogs - in some types of grasslands they do slightly reduce forage available to cattle. if you've brainwashed yourself to think there are other impacts that are motivating your participation in this barbaric brand of "hunting", feel free to list them.
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I just said I don't need to justify it to myself. I think it's fun.
There are also more negatives than you're letting on.
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I think poison is the best solution. Or giving momma dirt rats after morning pills to about. We could give mexican the option to be prairie dog castrators or be deported.
Speaking of giving nature the bird, what will the wall do to wildlife?
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Even assuming that this is an extremely valuable activity, it's pretty obvious to just about everyone that the true motivation of the participants here is bloodlust and nothing more. That's more than enough to warrant scorn and rebuke.
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We don't care at all. :)
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Speaking of giving nature the bird, what will the wall do to wildlife?
I think either Rinella or Newberg talked about this on their podcasts. It would not be ideal. Probably never have breeding jaguars in AZ again. Wolves either.
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We don't care at all. :)
This sort of response is completely unsurprising given that it is just as juvenile as the activity itself.
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One last thing I'll say about shooting pdogs (unless sys really wants to address the negatives he's pretending aren't there)...it has taught me a lot and made me a better shooter.
I meticulously reload for the precision required, and that attitude has spread to reloading for big game as well. I hand sort cases and projectiles, weigh each load, I turn case necks so there is no more than 0.001" of runout. These load will punch a quarter at 200 yards no problem, but shooting paper is way different than moving targets at variable distances. I believe I was able to cleanly kill my elk at 350 yards because I had shot so much at that distance, and farther. It all goes into being a more well rounded sportsman.
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Even assuming that this is an extremely valuable activity, it's pretty obvious to just about everyone that the true motivation of the participants here is bloodlust and nothing more. That's more than enough to warrant scorn and rebuke.
Mostly agree with this. All the people I can think of who are into this kind of thing are just a little imbalanced in their heads. Actually, several of them joined the military presumably to get a chance to do the same type of thing on a large scale, which also creeps me out. I'm pretty scared of these types.
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People worried about the ethics of killing prairie dogs are far more mentally imbalanced than the people who shoot prairie dogs, or people who sign their dog's name to correspondence from their family. But nobody is crazier than the guy trying to invent tires that won't kill a squirrel or possum.
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I always thought it was fun to feed animals to snakes, even tho it is unethical.
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I always thought it was fun to feed animals to snakes, even tho it is unethical.
If there is anything unethical about that, it would be imprisoning the snake so that it had to rely entirely on you for food. I don't think feeding it what it eats is unethical, tho. I caught a moth once and placed it in a spider's web. I don't think that was unethical.
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Sure it is.
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FWIW, I've never owned a snake. Frat bro used to have one and weekly feed was always a popular time.
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That's disturbing
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It was like Planet Earth but in 3D.
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Sure it is.
This is making me curious what your system of ethics is.
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Hey environment, here's a big middle finger to you.
From ABCNews "Trump has called for a 30-foot solid, concrete wall along the border to curb illegal immigration, and although Department of Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly recently acknowledged that a wall "from sea to shining sea" was unlikely, many experts said there was no way of telling the full impact on the surrounding environment. The wall would likely cost $22 billion and take more than three years to build, according to an internal DHS memo.
Scientists and conservationists said such drastic increases in border security could be devastating for hundreds of species, and potentially lead to extinction in the U.S. for endangered or threatened animals like jaguars, ocelots, and the Mexican gray wolf."
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Get mumped environment
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Hopefully tho it would keep all those immigrants from dumping loads of garbage in every canyon headed north.
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Trump wants to declassify National Demo-grablands stolen from the private sector by Clinton and Obama. Utahinese are happy. Me too.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/25/donald-trump-will-order-interior-review-national-monuments-designated-clinton-obama/