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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: Kat Kid on March 03, 2017, 12:29:40 PM
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What a ghoul.
https://www.statnews.com/2017/03/03/roger-marshall-kansas-obamacare/ (https://www.statnews.com/2017/03/03/roger-marshall-kansas-obamacare/)
“Just like Jesus said, ‘The poor will always be with us,’” he said. “There is a group of people that just don’t want health care and aren’t going to take care of themselves.”
Pressed on that point, Marshall shrugged.
“Just, like, homeless people. … I think just morally, spiritually, socially, [some people] just don’t want health care,” he said. “The Medicaid population, which is [on] a free credit card, as a group, do probably the least preventive medicine and taking care of themselves and eating healthy and exercising. And I’m not judging, I’m just saying socially that’s where they are. So there’s a group of people that even with unlimited access to health care are only going to use the emergency room when their arm is chopped off or when their pneumonia is so bad they get brought [into] the ER.”
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He's not wrong.
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What's the point
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I'm guessing that very few people living in Great Bend really have unlimited access to healthcare, regardless of insurance coverage.
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He's not wrong.
people "morally" and "spiritually" don't want health care? I mean he is basically dehumanizing poor people on a pretty fundamental level.
This is not even a typical "dignity of work" argument. It claims these people have fundamentally flawed souls.
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Good grief, kk. :facepalm:
Only the WaPo and NYT are allowed to take any statement, make up their own definition of "what was really said" and then publish it as if that's what was actually said.
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He's not wrong.
Except that it is fraught with misdirection and bullshit to demonize the poor.
So yeah, it essentially is wrong.
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He's still an bad person. He just happens to be correct.
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Most homeless people have mental health issues. So that means sometimes their brain can't recognize that they want help. They don't even know how to ask for help.
I hope Jesus is real so that he can one day judge him
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Do we force healthcare on homeless people with mental health issues?
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Need to reopen Menninger.
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Lock those folks up.
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I'm not one to tell people what they want or don't want. Can't figure why he frames it as a "poor" issue. Stupid.
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He's still an bad person. He just happens to be correct.
What is he correct about?
you think that most homeless people "morally" and "spriritually" reject healthcare?
It is hard to make the case that any person "morally" and "spiritually" rejects healthcare and be a Christian.
The rest of his rhetoric is just as bad and makes it clear he does not view poor, sick patients, who have likely never had a primary care physician in their lives as unworthy of care and he, despite his protestation, is judging and condemning them in the most harsh terms imaginable.
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The problem with speaking off the cuff is that sometimes you use the wrong word. In Dr. Marshall's case he used two wrong words until he finally got to the right one. Here's how this works: Morally (not the right word)... Spiritually (going in the wrong direction - that doesn't make any damned sense).... Socially (there's the word I was looking for!)
And then naturally, deranged whackos fixate on the first two words instead of accepting that he was grasping for the right word and got there on try number three.
And he's right. Obamacare was supposed to make people healthier and bring down costs be expanding "preventative care." Only poor people don't tend to utilize that preventative care even when it's "free." That's the point he was making and it is very valid. We need to have more serious policy discussions and it would help if liberals would stop being such assholes and trying to politicize every damn thing. Shut up and grow up. Please.
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Lol
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Tap out noted KSU
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Huelskamp wanted to take.away medical care altogether. He was a rich spoiled kid that was handed everything. Poor people don't like institutional settings. The working poor one step up from medicaid are the people who are hurt by Orificecare. Granted they get subsidized premiums, but high deductibles make current healthcare a nightmare for these folks. A few years ago they paid hundreds out of pocket. Now its thousands, and to these families it not affordable to go get care. So they go to the emergency care where they don't have to pay anything. Clinics with sliding scales is.the.way to go. Government owned clinics might work.
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The problem with speaking off the cuff is that sometimes you use the wrong word. In Dr. Marshall's case he used two wrong words until he finally got to the right one. Here's how this works: Morally (not the right word)... Spiritually (going in the wrong direction - that doesn't make any damned sense).... Socially (there's the word I was looking for!)
And then naturally, deranged whackos fixate on the first two words instead of accepting that he was grasping for the right word and got there on try number three.
And he's right. Obamacare was supposed to make people healthier and bring down costs be expanding "preventative care." Only poor people don't tend to utilize that preventative care even when it's "free." That's the point he was making and it is very valid. We need to have more serious policy discussions and it would help if liberals would stop being such assholes and trying to politicize every damn thing. Shut up and grow up. Please.
It is absolutely a problem that people that have never in their lives had access to health care are not very adept at navigating our country's very complicated health care system.
That fact has nothing to do with his quote. The entire tone of the quote makes clear he holds little to no compassion for the human beings he is describing.
As far as not "politicizing" it? Well, he is a congressman that I voted for, so it is a little late for that.
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Huelskamp wanted to take.away medical care altogether. He was a rich spoiled kid that was handed everything. Poor people don't like institutional settings. The working poor one step up from medicaid are the people who are hurt by Orificecare. Granted they get subsidized premiums, but high deductibles make current healthcare a nightmare for these folks. A few years ago they paid hundreds out of pocket. Now its thousands, and to these families it not affordable to go get care. So they go to the emergency care where they don't have to pay anything. Clinics with sliding scales is.the.way to go. Government owned clinics might work.
When programs are universal and not means tested, for instance, It is pretty amazing how well Medicare and social security work. Medicare for all and be done with this nonsense.
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He's still an bad person. He just happens to be correct.
What is he correct about?
you think that most homeless people "morally" and "spriritually" reject healthcare?
It is hard to make the case that any person "morally" and "spiritually" rejects healthcare and be a Christian.
The rest of his rhetoric is just as bad and makes it clear he does not view poor, sick patients, who have likely never had a primary care physician in their lives as unworthy of care and he, despite his protestation, is judging and condemning them in the most harsh terms imaginable.
Why are you so focused on that one part?
Homeless people in reality consume a ton of health care resources, relatively.
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He's still an bad person. He just happens to be correct.
What is he correct about?
you think that most homeless people "morally" and "spriritually" reject healthcare?
It is hard to make the case that any person "morally" and "spiritually" rejects healthcare and be a Christian.
The rest of his rhetoric is just as bad and makes it clear he does not view poor, sick patients, who have likely never had a primary care physician in their lives as unworthy of care and he, despite his protestation, is judging and condemning them in the most harsh terms imaginable.
Why are you so focused on that one part?
Homeless people in reality consume a ton of health care resources, relatively.
I am focused on what he actually said in a quote. You and KSUW are very focused on inferring from what he said an implied argument about the best way to provide health care.
He actually said these people don't want the health care, not even because they are too stupid, but because they morally and spiritually don't want it. Those are the words he chose to use.
Your assertion that poor people "consume a ton of health services, relatively" doesn't seem correct to me at all. Of course hospital visits are more expensive than regular preventative care, but I don't think you have much basis to make the claim (maybe you have some sources?) when the topic of discussion is all about how poor people are currently NOT consuming the health services they are entitled to.
Now the reasons why very poor people don't seek out care are completely different. I will add, he doesn't even seem to address that idea at all as he goes on to further say that even with the credit card" of "Medicaid" these people wait until they are very sick to seek out care. He, again, reflexively thinks this is an inherent flaw in these people unworthy of examination beyond blaming them for their circumstances and, again despite his own protestation, judging them in the harshest possible terms.
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He's still an bad person. He just happens to be correct.
What is he correct about?
you think that most homeless people "morally" and "spriritually" reject healthcare?
It is hard to make the case that any person "morally" and "spiritually" rejects healthcare and be a Christian.
The rest of his rhetoric is just as bad and makes it clear he does not view poor, sick patients, who have likely never had a primary care physician in their lives as unworthy of care and he, despite his protestation, is judging and condemning them in the most harsh terms imaginable.
Why are you so focused on that one part?
Homeless people in reality consume a ton of health care resources, relatively.
and if you understand our system and its faults instead of blindly following ideology, you'd know that providing homes for the homeless is so effective it is actually cheaper on the other side because of the dramatic savings directly from healthcare and social programs.
But that would require republicans actually following the teachings of Christ, stopping stigmas of mental health, and maybe voting for a veterans care bill.
And as it is right now, there is no way you can say poor people use prevmed less then the average.
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Just like Jesus said
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I am focused on what he actually said in a quote. You and KSUW are very focused on inferring from what he said an implied argument about the best way to provide health care.
He actually said these people don't want the health care, not even because they are too stupid, but because they morally and spiritually don't want it. Those are the words he chose to use.
So exactly like I said. You are fixating on two words he said off the cuff that he knew weren't the right words the minute he said them, which is why he kept grasping for the right word until he found it. But you are choosing to ignore that because you'd rather be outraged than join in the serious discussion over the very valid point he was making. You're just demonstrating the liberal perpetual outrage machine in action.
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You aren't supposed to take him literally kk
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Medicare is struggling and doesn't provide complete medical coverage.. most elders have to buy supplemental coverage that is very expensive especially for folks living on Social security only. Then there is prescriptions. Both Medicare and Medicaid funds are near solvency.
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kk, I said homeless people, not poor people. In one ER visit they will consume more resources than my entire family for an entire year.
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That kind of crap pisses Jesus the hell off
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kk, I said homeless people, not poor people. In one ER visit they will consume more resources than my entire family for an entire year.
That is only if you don't have a family member that needs to visit the ER that year.
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The people without insurance that pop out babies are the biggest toll. Not the homeless.
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kk, I said homeless people, not poor people. In one ER visit they will consume more resources than my entire family for an entire year.
That is only if you don't have a family member that needs to visit the ER that year.
In 11 years together and nearly 3 years with child, I can recall 2 ER visits, neither as serious as faking chest pains for some food and a bed.
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You've already exceeded my family. I'm telling Jesus
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Even though I think you are over blowing the homeless as being a huge toll on the health care system, I have no problems with my taxes footing the bill for a homeless person to get out of the cold for a night or two. Maybe I'm a little biased as I slept in my car at a rest stop for 3 months in the winter. But for Christ's sake. Have a heart, man.
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Like I said, women not getting prenatal care and showing up without insurance and popping out a kid is a far greater toll on the health care system. It also puts doctors at risk for having to deliver a child with no clue as to the health of the mother and child. Puts them at serious risk of malpractice.
Fake chest pains and a night in a bed are a lot cheaper than a childbirth. Good grief.
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That doesn't even take into account a lot of doctors writing stuff off because they know they'll never see a dime
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http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2017/02/06/hawaii-homelessness-medical-condition
quick interview from NPR that shows how Hawaii is dealing with their homelessness issue. Crazy to see how much it saves the state in close and far runs of state budgets.
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I am focused on what he actually said in a quote. You and KSUW are very focused on inferring from what he said an implied argument about the best way to provide health care.
He actually said these people don't want the health care, not even because they are too stupid, but because they morally and spiritually don't want it. Those are the words he chose to use.
So exactly like I said. You are fixating on two words he said off the cuff that he knew weren't the right words the minute he said them, which is why he kept grasping for the right word until he found it. But you are choosing to ignore that because you'd rather be outraged than join in the serious discussion over the very valid point he was making. You're just demonstrating the liberal perpetual outrage machine in action.
Is their audio or video? I mean the context seems insane and not at all supportive of what you are claiming. He starts with homeless and then goes on to disparage everyone with Medicaid.
But if Roger Marshall had as much grace and compassion as you are giving him, he wouldn't have said or believed this in the first place.
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Even though I think you are over blowing the homeless as being a huge toll on the health care system, I have no problems with my taxes footing the bill for a homeless person to get out of the cold for a night or two. Maybe I'm a little biased as I slept in my car at a rest stop for 3 months in the winter. But for Christ's sake. Have a heart, man.
There are much cheaper ways to get a homeless person a warm bed than to put them up in a hospital.
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I would prefer our skilled and strained health care professionals focus their attention on paying customers. That doesn't mean homeless folks should go without. It just doesn't make sense to run $50k in tests in on a person that isn't actually sick.
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I know that. There are crisis centers. There are state run rehab clinics. There are shelters. Etc. Those get used quite a bit. I wish the crisis center was used more in Topeka. It saved my life once upon a time. There are plenty of options I agree. Many cheaper ones.
I stand by what I said. I'm willing for maybe a dime of my taxes to pay for a homeless person to get cared for for a couple days and warm bed and a meal.
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I would prefer our skilled and strained health care professionals focus their attention on paying customers. That doesn't mean homeless folks should go without. It just doesn't make sense to run $50k in tests in on a person that isn't actually sick.
Then work to get the er policies changed so that the homeless and uninsured can die as nature intended.
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Then scoop up their corpses to be used as cadavers. Further helping our strained health care system.
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I would prefer our skilled and strained health care professionals focus their attention on paying customers. That doesn't mean homeless folks should go without. It just doesn't make sense to run $50k in tests in on a person that isn't actually sick.
Should OBs also focus on paying customers?
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I know that. There are crisis centers. There are state run rehab clinics. There are shelters. Etc. Those get used quite a bit. I wish the crisis center was used more in Topeka. It saved my life once upon a time. There are plenty of options I agree. Many cheaper ones.
I stand by what I said. I'm willing for maybe a dime of my taxes to pay for a homeless person to get cared for for a couple days and warm bed and a meal.
I should add that waiting on a bed at a state run rehab is what had me sleeping in my car to begin with. The crisis center is a lot easier to get into.
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Emo. I think we both agree that uninsured take a toll on our health care. I'm seeking to point out that the homeless are only a modicum of the problem.
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I think if we took care of the homeless in some other ways they wouldn't be such a burden on our health care. $50k is a lot of warm beds for a long time.
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Well I'm not sure where you pulled that number from.
There are plenty of things we could do for the homeless but there is no money in it so we do nothing. They pay for their bad choices or their circumstances everyday of their lives. I think it's a cheap shot to single them out as a problem with our health care system.
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I got a dui and spent two weeks in jail. I lost my job because of it. And my home as well
As soon as I got out I did all I could to get into rehab with no money. Because I was an alcoholic and not IV I was considered low risk so I had to wait three months. If it weren't for a friend that was willing to cover my car payment while I lived out of my car I wouldn't have even had that.
And I would have been on the street. Who knows where I would be now without having one friend that was willing to help me for a few months.
That's really all it takes to go from being a middle class guy to being destitute.
It's super easy to pick on the homeless but it's not that hard of a leap to go from middle class single white guy to homeless.
But instead I fought off frostbite for a few months. Got my nose broken by a stranger. Shivered and bathed in a sink til the day I was accepted into treatment. I sold off all that I had, not much, to put gas in my car. I got into treatment. I got into an Oxford house and got my life back on track. Granted it hasn't been smooth sailing since then. But it was one person, the only person I had that was willing, to make 3 car payments for me and I could have been one of the people you are disparaging.
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Its low hanging fruit and there are bigger issues at hand.
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And I know you can be a giraffe if you want to be.
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He (Marshall) finds the poor repugnant and stupid. Those are awful things to say.
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I think Emo may just have not had a lot experience with homeless nor idea how they get there. Just sees them at their lowest point. Unwashed. Begging for money. And maybe drunk. Probably doesn't think much about how they got there.
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Sdk I got that number from someone who did his residency (?) at some public/shitty hospital in Kansas City. Said he'd see the same homeless folks every week complaining of chest pains and they'd spend millions testing them as they are required to do.
I don't think it takes a lot of experience to believe it's better not to have to consume precious health care resources just because someone wants a hot meal and a bed for a night.
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No but it takes experience to have compassion apparently. Ask your friends about how much it costs for uninsured mothers to give birth. Ask them about the liability they are forced to take on.
I can say millions are spent on that all day long because I know many an rn, crna, and doctor in the field. I'm choosing not to. Because it doesn't hold much weight. We all know the cost of health care.
Take some time and broaden your scope in waste. Picking on the homeless is disgusting.
I'm sorry your friends have to do their job, just as I'm sorry that my friends have to help the poor, homeless, and unfit complete the cycle. But there are people with a home, able to get a good job, able to get Healthcare and choose not too and want to pop out kids on our dime. I find that far more deplorable than a man or woman suffering.
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Them ask yourself how any of those kids are going to be afforded the opportunity to succeed. How many are going to be as enriched as most of us on this board were? Some will persevere. Most will not. It's a cycle. One that undoubtedly feeds into your heartless homeless problem. If you want to charge a cost for admission. Start at the ob.
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Homeless is just one part of the topic of this discussion and the only part on which I've commented. You're extrapolating these precise comments into something else and you shouldn't.
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Sdk I got that number from someone who did his residency (?) at some public/shitty hospital in Kansas City. Said he'd see the same homeless folks every week complaining of chest pains and they'd spend millions testing them as they are required to do.
I don't think it takes a lot of experience to believe it's better not to have to consume precious health care resources just because someone wants a hot meal and a bed for a night.
well I mean that has like nothing to do with what Marshall said. You're just sharing an anecdote.
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Homeless is just one part of the topic of this discussion and the only part on which I've commented. You're extrapolating these precise comments into something else and you shouldn't.
I can only comment on what I read. If you have other insights I'd be happy to comment on them as well.
I know we are both on the same team here. Medical spending waste needs to be stopped. I'm going for its birth, you're going after its grave.
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I am not sure emo is reading the same quote I am. I can tell that KSUW definitely read the same quote.
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I am focused on what he actually said in a quote. You and KSUW are very focused on inferring from what he said an implied argument about the best way to provide health care.
He actually said these people don't want the health care, not even because they are too stupid, but because they morally and spiritually don't want it. Those are the words he chose to use.
So exactly like I said. You are fixating on two words he said off the cuff that he knew weren't the right words the minute he said them, which is why he kept grasping for the right word until he found it. But you are choosing to ignore that because you'd rather be outraged than join in the serious discussion over the very valid point he was making. You're just demonstrating the liberal perpetual outrage machine in action.
Is their audio or video? I mean the context seems insane and not at all supportive of what you are claiming. He starts with homeless and then goes on to disparage everyone with Medicaid.
But if Roger Marshall had as much grace and compassion as you are giving him, he wouldn't have said or believed this in the first place.
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What a ghoul.
https://www.statnews.com/2017/03/03/roger-marshall-kansas-obamacare/ (https://www.statnews.com/2017/03/03/roger-marshall-kansas-obamacare/)
“Just like Jesus said, ‘The poor will always be with us,’” he said. “There is a group of people that just don’t want health care and aren’t going to take care of themselves.”
Pressed on that point, Marshall shrugged.
“Just, like, homeless people. … I think just morally, spiritually, socially, [some people] just don’t want health care,” he said. “The Medicaid population, which is [on] a free credit card, as a group, do probably the least preventive medicine and taking care of themselves and eating healthy and exercising. And I’m not judging, I’m just saying socially that’s where they are. So there’s a group of people that even with unlimited access to health care are only going to use the emergency room when their arm is chopped off or when their pneumonia is so bad they get brought [into] the ER.”
Ftr, this is the quote where Marshall called the poor "repugnant", "stupid", dehumanized them, and claimed the "have fundamentally flawed souls".
In libtard land it's clearly more useful to slanderize a politician, and engage in outraged debate over said slander, than actually address a real problem (eg, poor people using the ER for primary care, and the enormous cost to tax payers).
Ya'll should try being less dishonest and sociopathic for a day. It might partially cleanse your "soul" and make you less "repugnant" to the general populace.
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Arm chopped off and pneumonia seem like legitimate er trips. Maybe less with pneumonia but I wouldn't say it's out of line.
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Saying "I'm not judging" after making up lies about a group is like saying "no disrespect" and then going on to talk about someone's mother.
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Saying "I'm not judging" in that context is the thing as saying "as a matter of fact."
Of course, the quote is pasted up above. You can redefine what he's saying all you want. I think he said "pour" not "poor" and the reporter transcribed incorrectly.
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I'm not one to tell people what they want or don't want. Can't figure why he frames it as a "poor" issue. Stupid.
Man, I should do a better job reading.
“Just, like, homeless people. … I think just morally, spiritually, socially, [some people] just don’t want care about health care,” he said. “The Medicaid population, which is [on] a free credit card, as a group, do probably the least preventive medicine and taking care of themselves and eating healthy and exercising. And I’m not judging, I’m just saying socially that’s where they are. So there’s a group of people that even with unlimited access to health care are only going to use the emergency room when their arm is chopped off or when their pneumonia is so bad they get brought [into] the ER.”
Now that would be accurate.
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Saying "I'm not judging" in that context is the thing as saying "as a matter of fact."
Of course, the quote is pasted up above. You can redefine what he's saying all you want. I think he said "pour" not "poor" and the reporter transcribed incorrectly.
neocon snowflakes, everyone is lying, no one is transcribing me correctly :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:
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The people that don't take care of themselves are the Trumpublicans that stuff their faces everyda and cry about sugar taxes cause they need their 64oz Mountain Dew
Good thing liberals tend to be in shape, good smelling/looking human beings.
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The people that don't take care of themselves are the Trumpublicans that stuff their faces everyda and cry about sugar taxes cause they need their 64oz Mountain Dew
Good thing liberals tend to be in shape, good smelling/looking human beings.
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You want to see a bunch of 64oz Mountain Dews you walk your ass into a union manufacturing facility.
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The people that don't take care of themselves are the Trumpublicans that stuff their faces everyda and cry about sugar taxes cause they need their 64oz Mountain Dew
Good thing liberals tend to be in shape, good smelling/looking human beings.
Oh hell yeah!!!
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You want to see a bunch of 64oz Mountain Dews you walk your ass into a union manufacturing facility.
Again, this wasn't what Marshall said and his proposed remedy, both conceptually and politically, to that problem is to cut the services that already are clearly not addressing what is a problem with primary care and preventative care.
So what is your point?
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I love that he goes by the name "Woody" :lol:
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You want to see a bunch of 64oz Mountain Dews you walk your ass into a union manufacturing facility.
Again, this wasn't what Marshall said and his proposed remedy, both conceptually and politically, to that problem is to cut the services that already are clearly not addressing what is a problem with primary care and preventative care.
So what is your point?
It was in response to Abe's post, that's all. Deep breaths dude. I assume the Cats must be getting they asses beat?
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Abe, re-think your crap posting.
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The other thing about KSUW and FSD's pearl clutching (and emo's responses) is this is just a very common belief on the right, that we would simply be better off without poor people and that they are inherently flawed and unworthy of the support they already get from government.
It is just taken as a very basic assumption for tons of policy proposals and ideologies and it is completely disgusting.
Another recent example from a scholar at AEI:
Kai Ryssdal: Let's talk about this piece you had in Foreign Affairs. You call it “The Dignity Deficit: Reclaiming Americans’ Sense of Purpose.” We lost it?
Arthur Brooks: Yeah. Not everybody did, but there's this kind of a scary statistic for people like me who are really interested in the free enterprise system, which is that something like a third of the American population is starting to express pretty grave doubts in their ability to earn their success in the United States. You know, one of the things that I ask when I'm in front of audiences is to do a little thought experiment: What would happen if all of the poor people in America just disappeared? Would you know it if all the poor people in America suddenly disappeared? I daresay that most people listening to us today wouldn't even know about it immediately. They have no emotional or moral connection to them.
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Abe, re-think your crap posting.
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The other thing about KSUW and FSD's pearl clutching (and emo's responses) is this is just a very common belief on the right, that we would simply be better off without poor people and that they are inherently flawed and unworthy of the support they already get from government.
It is just taken as a very basic assumption for tons of policy proposals and ideologies and it is completely disgusting.
Another recent example from a scholar at AEI:
Kai Ryssdal: Let's talk about this piece you had in Foreign Affairs. You call it “The Dignity Deficit: Reclaiming Americans’ Sense of Purpose.” We lost it?
Arthur Brooks: Yeah. Not everybody did, but there's this kind of a scary statistic for people like me who are really interested in the free enterprise system, which is that something like a third of the American population is starting to express pretty grave doubts in their ability to earn their success in the United States. You know, one of the things that I ask when I'm in front of audiences is to do a little thought experiment: What would happen if all of the poor people in America just disappeared? Would you know it if all the poor people in America suddenly disappeared? I daresay that most people listening to us today wouldn't even know about it immediately. They have no emotional or moral connection to them.
What an absurdly stupid quote,smdh
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Gross. I step away for a few days and this thread has grown to 4 pages of KK bitching about one thing or another. I haven't even bothered to reread all the whining but I did enjoy the "clutching pearls" line - coming from the guy who is utterly fixated on Marshall using two wrong words off the cuff before getting to the right one.
Obamacare was touted as bringing down the cost of healthcare by making preventative care much more accessible, averting more serious care. Sounds great in theory - but it hasn't worked because poor people and stupid people (often the same group) don't adequately avail themselves of the preventative care even when it's "free." That's the point Marshall was making. It's a good point, so naturally KK would rather fixate on two words.
This is a dumb thread. By all means continue your rant.
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Gross. I step away for a few days and this thread has grown to 4 pages of KK bitching about one thing or another. I haven't even bothered to reread all the whining but I did enjoy the "clutching pearls" line - coming from the guy who is utterly fixated on Marshall using two wrong words off the cuff before getting to the right one.
Obamacare was touted as bringing down the cost of healthcare by making preventative care much more accessible, averting more serious care. Sounds great in theory - but it hasn't worked because poor people and stupid people (often the same group) don't adequately avail themselves of the preventative care even when it's "free." That's the point Marshall was making. It's a good point, so naturally KK would rather fixate on two words.
This is a dumb thread. By all means continue your rant.
1) Marshall made a much better point later on in his "clarification" statement that he accepted Medicaid and that people traveled hundreds of miles to go to him to get care. It is very relevant point, that Obamacare was designed to improve Medicaid through an expansion. THE EXACT MEDICAID EXPANSION BLOCKED by Brownback and many other Republican governors. This action did make it much more difficult for poor people to access precisely the kind of preventative care that they are no being subsequently blamed for not accessing that health care and called "stupid." So blaming both poor people and Obamacare as voted on and designed by Congress seems pretty disingenuous.
2) You continue to assert that Marshall misspoke in some way. He issued a clarification and didn't mention the issue you are speaking of, so he didn't feel the need to correct any record. The burden of proof that he didn't mean what he clearly said seems like it would be on you to provide. It seems you acknowledge that taken at face value, it is an awful quote, which is precisely what I said to begin this thread.
3) You'd be more honest if you just stopped with the pre-tense that you have any real concern for the poor.
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Gross. I step away for a few days and this thread has grown to 4 pages of KK bitching about one thing or another. I haven't even bothered to reread all the whining but I did enjoy the "clutching pearls" line - coming from the guy who is utterly fixated on Marshall using two wrong words off the cuff before getting to the right one.
Obamacare was touted as bringing down the cost of healthcare by making preventative care much more accessible, averting more serious care. Sounds great in theory - but it hasn't worked because poor people and stupid people (often the same group) don't adequately avail themselves of the preventative care even when it's "free." That's the point Marshall was making. It's a good point, so naturally KK would rather fixate on two words.
This is a dumb thread. By all means continue your rant.
Preventive care really doesn't do that much to lower health care costs, anyway. Some things save a lot of money, like vaccines, but the things you actually need a doctor for, like physicals and cancer screenings, provide less benefit than cost.
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KK, what in the eff are you talking about? Bitch, please
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I'm sorry, did you say your name is Kai???
:lol:
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Just looked up this Kai dork.
He hosts an npr show about business, and, unsurprisingly, he has absolutely zero experience in business. He did fly an airplane in the navy, tho.
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I enjoyed reading this. Most of you are real dumb.
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http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/324699-mulvaney-the-only-way-to-get-truly-universal-care-is-to-throw-people-in (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/324699-mulvaney-the-only-way-to-get-truly-universal-care-is-to-throw-people-in)
"The only way to get truly universal care is to throw people in jail if they don't have it," he said on CBS's "Face The Nation." "And we are not going to do that."
“There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it," Trump said during an interview with The Washington Post.
"That’s not going to happen with us.”
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Those are Mick Mulvaney quotes, not Roger Marshall.
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Those are Mick Mulvaney quotes, not Roger Marshall.
yes they are. didn't want to start new thread.
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Very compassionate person
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You want to see a bunch of 64oz Mountain Dews you walk your ass into a union manufacturing facility.
didn't those guys vote Trump?
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Here is a concept that I wish people on the left in all their compassionate glory could grasp.
People don't value things that they don't choose to pay for or earn in some other way. Apply this to all of your altruistic endeavors and you might actually empower people in need to help themselves and as a byproduct you will DO GOOD.
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Here is a concept that I wish people on the left in all their compassionate glory could grasp.
People don't value things that they don't choose to pay for or earn in some other way. Apply this to all of your altruistic endeavors and you might actually empower people in need to help themselves and as a byproduct you will DO GOOD.
There are lots of rights that human beings have that are inalienable.
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Here is a concept that I wish people on the left in all their compassionate glory could grasp.
People don't value things that they don't choose to pay for or earn in some other way. Apply this to all of your altruistic endeavors and you might actually empower people in need to help themselves and as a byproduct you will DO GOOD.
There are lots of rights that human beings have that are inalienable.
Most of this has been about how we help the poor, specifically tell me the inalienable rights that they have that people with money don't have.
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Here is a concept that I wish people on the left in all their compassionate glory could grasp.
People don't value things that they don't choose to pay for or earn in some other way. Apply this to all of your altruistic endeavors and you might actually empower people in need to help themselves and as a byproduct you will DO GOOD.
There are lots of rights that human beings have that are inalienable.
Most of this has been about how we help the poor, specifically tell me the inalienable rights that they have that people with money don't have.
Look up the word inalienable.
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Here is a concept that I wish people on the left in all their compassionate glory could grasp.
People don't value things that they don't choose to pay for or earn in some other way. Apply this to all of your altruistic endeavors and you might actually empower people in need to help themselves and as a byproduct you will DO GOOD.
Libtards are extremely compassionate with other people's money, after they take their unearned cut.
They use the apparatus of goverment and moral equivocation to steal from others. It's pretty gross. There have been myriad studies that show they are far less charitable than their conservative peers.
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Here is a concept that I wish people on the left in all their compassionate glory could grasp.
People don't value things that they don't choose to pay for or earn in some other way. Apply this to all of your altruistic endeavors and you might actually empower people in need to help themselves and as a byproduct you will DO GOOD.
There are lots of rights that human beings have that are inalienable.
Most of this has been about how we help the poor, specifically tell me the inalienable rights that they have that people with money don't have.
Look up the word inalienable.
So you got my point, that your post was dumb
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My senator has been extremely horned up about fentanyl over the past several months. I work in healthcare and have not seen an uptick in overdoses or admissions for fentanyl of any sort. Opiods in general continue to be a problem. My impression is that he is beating the drum about this as part of his "tough on the border" messaging. I'm open to being wrong about this. Are spiking fentanyl overdoses an issue where you live?
https://twitter.com/RogerMarshallMD/status/1578074949822169090?s=20&t=DLbKopmvjktjtSWxHg0aeg
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nevermind, IC's post in the megamaga thread explains what is going on:
https://twitter.com/TheGoodLiars/status/1578029370786349061?s=20&t=I45TqpZ867WCRuvT9Qg00w
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(https://i.etsystatic.com/34101622/r/il/6b6fca/4201613484/il_794xN.4201613484_n9l2.jpg)
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Well it's a good thing Halloween candy also has razor blades hidden inside!
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i need those razor blades to do some of my expensive drugs. Not giving that crap away either.
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My senator has been extremely horned up about fentanyl over the past several months. I work in healthcare and have not seen an uptick in overdoses or admissions for fentanyl of any sort. Opiods in general continue to be a problem. My impression is that he is beating the drum about this as part of his "tough on the border" messaging. I'm open to being wrong about this. Are spiking fentanyl overdoses an issue where you live?
https://twitter.com/RogerMarshallMD/status/1578074949822169090?s=20&t=DLbKopmvjktjtSWxHg0aeg
i have heard of a couple of ODs and one that was fatal in the BV school district this school year, not sure if that is a spike or not
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Good piece from Jason Probst (That Guy in Hutch) about fentanyl:
https://thatguyinhutch.substack.com/p/i-agree-with-derek-schmidt?utm_source=email (https://thatguyinhutch.substack.com/p/i-agree-with-derek-schmidt?utm_source=email)
I agree with Derek Schmidt - 100 percent.
At least on one issue - that fentanyl is one of the most pressing and urgent issues in our state.
He said that over and over again during a debate with Gov. Laura Kelly on Wednesday.
It’s frustrating, though, that he didn’t have one word to say about fentanyl when members of his party actively blocked efforts last legislative session to decriminalize fentanyl testing strips - a measure that is proven to prevent overdose deaths, and that had overwhelming bipartisan support from the Kansas House of Representatives.
Now, it seems, Schmidt is mimicking the actions of U.S. Senator Roger Marshall in trying to capture the real concern, suffering, and death around fentanyl by turning it into a dog-whistle issue about border security.
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https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1578071129155158028?s=20&t=6y4KP-4jiKPVngHRN_AdQA
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Like a fiddle
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What does it mean to "fielded the flames"?
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Roger getting attention from the MAGA-sphere. Like a kid on Christmas morning.
https://x.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1842182449398219185