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Title: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 02, 2017, 10:39:11 AM
Our lifetime appointment super legislators will tell us today at 11:00!  :bwpopcorn:
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2017, 10:44:59 AM
They are only appointed until they get voted out, K-S-U.
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: Kat Kid on March 02, 2017, 11:14:11 AM
Well, this ksleg should be interesting.

New funding formula!
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2017, 11:20:42 AM
Poor Sam. :frown:
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: AbeFroman on March 02, 2017, 11:24:31 AM
Activist judges!  :shakesfist:
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2017, 11:28:26 AM
Maybe Sam should just float an amendment to take this education nonsense out of our constitution. Let the people decide.
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: Kat Kid on March 02, 2017, 11:40:13 AM
Maybe Sam should just float an amendment to take this education nonsense out of our constitution. Let the people decide.

I mean it is pretty lol that the progressives that founded this state are coming back to haunt Sam and his cult of the Constitutionists/state's rights crowd.
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: star seed 7 on March 02, 2017, 11:41:17 AM
It's fascinating how much ksuw hates education
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2017, 11:41:30 AM
I mean schools give kids ipads now. WTF?
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: SdK on March 02, 2017, 11:51:01 AM
I mean schools give kids ipads now. WTF?
Makes more sense that books imo
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: SdK on March 02, 2017, 11:51:27 AM
I'd lean more towards chrome books though
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 02, 2017, 11:53:08 AM
I'd lean more towards chrome books though

Lots of schools go this route.
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2017, 11:53:45 AM
I mean schools give kids ipads now. WTF?
Makes more sense that books imo

It depends on the subject, really. I don't really believe ipads are more cost-effective than books, but I'm not aware of what sort of deal Apple gives these schools, either.
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2017, 11:58:22 AM
kansans are dumb AF. so the answer is shitloads more than they currently spend
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: AbeFroman on March 02, 2017, 12:22:40 PM
It's fascinating how much ksuw hates education

and children. Once they are out of the womb it's up to them to find a job and support themselves
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2017, 12:41:34 PM
Does any state funding go to athletics or is that 100% locally funded?
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: Kat Kid on March 02, 2017, 12:42:52 PM
Does any state funding go to athletics or is that 100% locally funded?

I mean, money is fungible.
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 02, 2017, 12:53:19 PM
will this get me vouchers for my fancy private school?
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: SdK on March 02, 2017, 01:03:33 PM
I mean schools give kids ipads now. WTF?
Makes more sense that books imo

It depends on the subject, really. I don't really believe ipads are more cost-effective than books, but I'm not aware of what sort of deal Apple gives these schools, either.
Good friend is an administrator in a school district. It's great for the kids.
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: SdK on March 02, 2017, 01:04:30 PM
What subject would it be bad for? I've used online books for all sorts of courses.
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2017, 01:05:29 PM
What subject would it be bad for? I've used online books for all sorts of courses.

It's not that it would be bad. It's just that it wouldn't provide a meaningful improvement over a book and it would cost more.
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: SdK on March 02, 2017, 01:14:51 PM
What subject would it be bad for? I've used online books for all sorts of courses.

It's not that it would be bad. It's just that it wouldn't provide a meaningful improvement over a book and it would cost more.
A 150 dollar chrome book would cost more than ~5 books?
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: SdK on March 02, 2017, 01:15:20 PM
And I'm sure the schools gets the chromebooks cheaper than that
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: SdK on March 02, 2017, 01:16:15 PM
Always allows for children to have their own computing device at home if their family doesn't. Also cut out the need for a school computer lab.
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2017, 01:17:48 PM
What subject would it be bad for? I've used online books for all sorts of courses.

It's not that it would be bad. It's just that it wouldn't provide a meaningful improvement over a book and it would cost more.
A 150 dollar chrome book would cost more than ~5 books?

You still have to buy books for the chrome book and I know that in my town, the kids actually end up keeping the ipad so you have to replace those every year, while you get several years out of a textbook.
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: SdK on March 02, 2017, 01:24:29 PM
What subject would it be bad for? I've used online books for all sorts of courses.

It's not that it would be bad. It's just that it wouldn't provide a meaningful improvement over a book and it would cost more.
A 150 dollar chrome book would cost more than ~5 books?

You still have to buy books for the chrome book and I know that in my town, the kids actually end up keeping the ipad so you have to replace those every year, while you get several years out of a textbook.
Keep it for the next year or as they graduate?
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: SdK on March 02, 2017, 01:25:54 PM
Either way I don't see it as a problem. Again I'm not super itk about this. But I am a fan as it doesn't allow for kids to end up with old ass textbooks of the school is too poor.
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2017, 01:33:58 PM
They keep it when they graduate.

For some subjects, old textbooks really are not a problem at all. Most textbooks that get updated are nearly identical to the previous version, anyway. I could see the ipad/chrome book being a lot better for subjects like social studies, where you could look up current events and go over a lot of areas that wouldn't be in the book. They would also be a lot better than workbooks where you rip pages out to do assignments.

I don't buy the chrome book as an adequate replacement for a computer lab. I would rather write a paper on an old ass desktop computer than a brand new chrome book.
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: SdK on March 02, 2017, 01:47:35 PM
Chromebooks do everything I needed as a student and I loved them. This may make me a little partial. I see your points and I agree with some of them.

I would believe, or hope, the schools that are complaining about budgets would have crunched the numbers and went with what would be best for their budget. I'm not even sure who makes the decision.

Again I'm partial because a 200 dollar chromebook was a dream for me. The current Asus and similar models are even touch screen and can flip into a tablet and would be great for having to read.

I'm not sure what the correct answer is, or the best answer, but I'm team chromebook for schools.
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: LickNeckey on March 02, 2017, 01:48:53 PM
if that is happening in your district it is through a local budget option. 

most schools in the state are not 1 to 1
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: SdK on March 02, 2017, 01:49:07 PM
I'd also hope that the software would allow for the touch screens to be treated as a workbook and allow for a stylus to use the pages as such. Could simply be sent to the teacher.
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 02, 2017, 01:51:32 PM
Yeah, like I said, I don't really know what sort of deals these school districts are getting. It might very well be a good thing. It's just that on the surface, it appears to be a bit of an extravagance.
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: LickNeckey on March 02, 2017, 01:58:08 PM
Yeah, like I said, I don't really know what sort of deals these school districts are getting. It might very well be a good thing. It's just that on the surface, it appears to be a bit of an extravagance.

actually this point is kinda what the ruling is about

some districts are providing extravagences through local tax bases while others cannot creating inequity
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: steve dave on March 02, 2017, 02:00:50 PM
knowing about computers good is like most of getting smart for jobs
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 02, 2017, 05:34:12 PM
will this get me vouchers for my fancy private school?

x2
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: renocat on March 02, 2017, 06:10:15 PM
I guess a lot if we raid road fund and KPERS.  Raise taxes n
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: everyone shut up on March 02, 2017, 06:56:28 PM
I've had several kids in the neighborhood come by asking for school donations so they can get ipads. So I guess it's not in the budget here.
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: renocat on March 03, 2017, 09:02:19 PM
Damn stupid kids.are going to cost society more in the run than it would cost to give them a good education now.  Raise taxes and demand teachers perform.  Make them smart.
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 04, 2017, 02:19:25 PM
knowing about computers good is like most of getting smart for jobs

The Word
Title: Re: How much more does KS have to spend on education?
Post by: Canary on March 04, 2017, 08:34:16 PM
Damn stupid kids.are going to cost society more in the run than it would cost to give them a good education now.  Raise taxes and demand teachers perform.  Make them smart.
"Make them smart."  Have you spent any time in a school in the past ten years?