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Title: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 24, 2017, 02:59:57 PM
I've undertaken an important project this afternoon to determine which movies should have won Best Picture based on "pop culture impact." That's not super easy to define, but I took into account things like box office receipts, polling on top 50 most viewed movies, etc. I also limited to bw 2000 and 1970 because it gets harder to judge the staying power of more recent movies, and I just didn't care to go earlier than 1970. So here is my list submitted for your consideration....

YearWinnerShould'a Won
2000GladiatorGladiator
1999American BeautyThe Matrix (Sixth Sense Runner Up)
1998Shakespeare in LoveSaving Private Ryan
1997TitanicTitanic
1996The English PatientJerry Macguire (ID4 Runner Up)
1995BraveheartBraveheart
1994Forrest GumpForrest Gump (Shawshank and Pulp Fiction Runners Up)
1993Schindler's ListJurassic Park
1992UnforgivenA Few Good Men
1991Silence of the LambsSilence of the Lambs
1990Dances with WolvesGhost
1989Driving Miss DaisyField of Dreams
1988Rain ManDie Hard (sorry Rain Man, but Die Hard)
1987Last EmperorDirty Dancing (yes)
1986PlatoonTop Gun
1985Out of AfricaBack to the Future
1984AmadeusGhostbusters
1983Terms of EndearmentA Christmas Story
1982GhandiE.T.
1981Chariots of FireRaiders of the Lost Ark
1980Ordinary PeopleStar Wars: Episode V
1979Kramer v KramerAlien
1978The Deer HunterGrease
1977Annie HallStar Wars: Episode IV
1976RockyRocky
1975One Flew Over the Cuckoo's NestJaws
1974The Godfather IIThe Godfather II
1973The StingThe Exorcist
1972The GodfatherThe Godfather
1971The French ConnectionA Clockwork Orange
1970PattonPatton

So according to this list, the Academy goes about 1 for 3 picking movies that audiences actually appreciate and have staying power (which actually is better than I expected).

I will take corrections under advisement.
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: star seed 7 on February 24, 2017, 03:05:03 PM
Which ones make you feel smart?
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: Brock Landers on February 24, 2017, 03:30:54 PM
Shut your whore mouth about American Beauty.

The English Patient.  I have never seen it nor have I heard anyone I know talk about seeing it.  Rigged?
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: Tobias on February 24, 2017, 06:45:07 PM
Quote from: Brock Landers on February 24, 2017, 03:30:54 PM
Shut your whore mouth about American Beauty.

yeah, stopped after that one
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: Spracne on February 24, 2017, 07:11:47 PM
Back to the Future for B.P. over Amadeus? Bellylaugh!
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: wetwillie on February 24, 2017, 07:25:20 PM
i think this was a copy and paste from GPC guys...
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: mocat on February 24, 2017, 07:56:47 PM
Top gun gave it away for me
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: steve dave on February 24, 2017, 08:34:20 PM
zootopia should win this year imo
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: Pete on February 25, 2017, 04:39:22 PM
Quote from: steve dave on February 24, 2017, 08:34:20 PM
zootopia should win this year imo

Be honest, did you know it was the sheep the whole time?  I did not see it coming.
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 25, 2017, 04:41:09 PM
Quote from: steve dave on February 24, 2017, 08:34:20 PM
zootopia should win this year imo

This movie is probably the most overrated movie OAT
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 25, 2017, 04:47:23 PM
Spoilers ahead

PLOT:
Predator and non-predator animals live together in harmony. Some predators start to act aggressively. The bunny detective makes a guess that maybe its because they are predators and predators attack non-predators and that's how animals work has something to do with the aggression seen in the animals that are actually aggressive in nature.

PLOT TWIST:
Bunny is super racist for thinking a panther might be aggressive and violent.

PLOT TWIST 2:
The sheep had magic paintballs that she shot panthers and tigers with to make them angry and violent. Making a presumption that a tiger might growl because he is a tiger and that's what tigers do is really bigoted!

THE LESSON OF THE MOVIE:
You can never assume an animal with massive teeth and claws designed for eating other animals might do that thing because if you do you are a racist.
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 25, 2017, 04:53:33 PM
Finding Dory was over infinity times better.
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: mocat on February 25, 2017, 05:55:42 PM
I watched finding dory and it was really really bad. And i loved nemo
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 25, 2017, 08:22:15 PM
Quote from: mocat on February 25, 2017, 05:55:42 PM
I watched finding dory and it was really really bad. And i loved nemo

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif)
Title: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: Pete on February 25, 2017, 08:49:44 PM
Quote from: mocat on February 25, 2017, 05:55:42 PM
I watched finding dory and it was really really bad. And i loved nemo

I can sorta understand not liking Finding Dory, but saying it was really really bad calls your judgment into question.  I am not certain I can trust your Talkie related critiques any longer, mocat.
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: star seed 7 on February 25, 2017, 09:36:28 PM
Quote from: mocat on February 25, 2017, 05:55:42 PM
I watched finding dory and it was really really bad. And i loved nemo

What in the world
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 26, 2017, 10:38:05 AM
Wack, you may want to skip this one
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: mocat on February 26, 2017, 10:59:50 AM
Quote from: Pete on February 25, 2017, 08:49:44 PM
Quote from: mocat on February 25, 2017, 05:55:42 PM
I watched finding dory and it was really really bad. And i loved nemo

I can sorta understand not liking Finding Dory, but saying it was really really bad calls your judgment into question.  I am not certain I can trust your Talkie related critiques any longer, mocat.

I couldn't finish it
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: 8manpick on February 27, 2017, 08:41:34 AM
Well that was the most I've enjoyed an Oscars
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2017, 08:49:24 AM
Quote from: Spracne on February 24, 2017, 07:11:47 PM
Back to the Future for B.P. over Amadeus? Bellylaugh!

Back to the Future beats Out of Africa. Ghostbusters beats Amadeus. That's not to Amadeus wasn't a fine film, but it's nowhere near as culturally impactful as Ghostbusters.

Speaking of BTTF, did you watch the Oscars last night? I rest my case.
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 27, 2017, 08:50:11 AM
Quote from: Dugout DickStone on February 26, 2017, 10:38:05 AM
Wack, you may want to skip this one
Everyone played nice last night. It was refreshing.
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: ew2x4 on February 27, 2017, 09:55:47 AM
Moana > Zootopia
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: ShellShock on February 27, 2017, 10:08:27 AM
Quote from: Brock Landers on February 24, 2017, 03:30:54 PM
Shut your whore mouth about American Beauty.

The Matrix was way ahead of its time and people weren't ready for that kind/style of movie, but regardless of that it was infinitely better than American Beauty.
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 27, 2017, 10:10:35 AM
I enjoyed The Matrix more when it released. It's not something that I would get excited about watching now. American Beauty is still great, though.
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: star seed 7 on February 27, 2017, 10:28:09 AM
Quote from: ShellShock on February 27, 2017, 10:08:27 AM
Quote from: Brock Landers on February 24, 2017, 03:30:54 PM
Shut your whore mouth about American Beauty.

The Matrix was way ahead of its time and people weren't ready for that kind/style of movie, but regardless of that it was infinitely better than American Beauty.

LOL
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2017, 10:34:05 AM
The Matrix had a much bigger pop culture (and film making) impact than American Beauty. I know that's not the sole criterion or even a paramount criterion for Academy voters, but it should be.

Take last night's winner, Moonlight. (Or the Artist, or most recent winners). I predict that nobody except film buffs will find these movies particularly memorable a few years from now.

Conversely, Michael J. Fox stepped out of a Delorean on stage last night to thunderous applause, over 30 years later. It's still as beloved a film now as it was then.
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: star seed 7 on February 27, 2017, 10:36:21 AM
Sounds like the MTV movie awards are more what you are looking for
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: Tobias on February 27, 2017, 10:39:14 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2017, 10:45:07 AM
Quote from: libliblibliblibliblib on February 27, 2017, 10:36:21 AM
Sounds like the MTV movie awards are more what you are looking for

Yeah but not really. Movies like Twilight and Spider Man 6 will be forgotten just as quickly. (To be fair, no clue who has actually won the MTV awards).
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: star seed 7 on February 27, 2017, 10:48:19 AM
Well the matrix won in 2000 so looks like I'm right
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2017, 11:01:32 AM
Quote from: libliblibliblibliblib on February 27, 2017, 10:48:19 AM
Well the matrix won in 2000 so looks like MTV was I'm right

FYP.
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: Spracne on February 27, 2017, 12:02:04 PM
Like our electoral system, Best Picture is not a popularity contest. Tons of crap movies have had a big "impact on culture" (no idea why this becomes the sole criterion, but w/e).
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2017, 12:14:01 PM
Quote from: Spracne on February 27, 2017, 12:02:04 PM
Like our electoral system, Best Picture is not a popularity contest. Tons of crap movies have had a big "impact on culture" (no idea why this becomes the sole criterion, but w/e).

Tons of crap movies are popular in the short run. And true, a few are popular for being crappy. But that's none of the movies on my revised list. Those movies have left a deeper mark than than the ones that received best picture.
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: star seed 7 on February 27, 2017, 12:19:31 PM
You should write a letter to the academy of motion picture arts and sciences about your displeasure.
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: Spracne on February 27, 2017, 12:50:54 PM
Some people just don't understand #art. It's like how Salieri doesn't get why people like Mozart so much better than him. Sad!
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: mocat on February 27, 2017, 12:56:33 PM
Quote from: Spracne on February 27, 2017, 12:50:54 PM
Some people just don't understand #art. It's like how Salieri doesn't get why people like Mozart so much better than him. Sad!

you're right. you know what else? F murray abraham, right in his bald head
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: Gooch on February 27, 2017, 01:00:35 PM
Jurassic Park over Schindler's list?  :lol:
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: ChiComCat on February 27, 2017, 01:38:35 PM
You won't say who the winners should be in the last 17 years because it's impossible to judge their pop culture impact/staying power and yet you want this to be the standard for giving a yearly award?

Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 27, 2017, 02:06:50 PM
I can tell you guys right now that in 15 years nobody is going to remember Spotlight like they remember Fury Road. Talk about a snub.
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2017, 02:41:04 PM
Ok, so maybe Warren was handed the wrong envelope. But the envelopes are pretty clearly labeled so....

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Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 27, 2017, 02:43:46 PM
Quote from: ChiCat on February 27, 2017, 01:38:35 PM
You won't say who the winners should be in the last 17 years because it's impossible to judge their pop culture impact/staying power and yet you want this to be the standard for giving a yearly award?

Sure it should be the standard. Doesn't mean they'll always get it right.
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: kso_FAN on February 27, 2017, 02:45:00 PM
He clearly knew it was the wrong card. He could have called for the correct one, but then just gave it to Dunaway.

https://twitter.com/justin_fenton/status/836089614096076801
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 27, 2017, 03:17:59 PM
Quote from: WackyCat08 on February 27, 2017, 08:50:11 AM
Quote from: Dugout DickStone on February 26, 2017, 10:38:05 AM
Wack, you may want to skip this one
Everyone played nice last night. It was refreshing.
http://ew.com/tv/2017/02/27/oscar-ratings-4/
Quote
Oscars ratings lowest in 9 years
  :frown:
Title: Re: The Oscars (and more specifically, Best Picture)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 27, 2017, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: WackyCat08 on February 27, 2017, 03:17:59 PM
Quote from: WackyCat08 on February 27, 2017, 08:50:11 AM
Quote from: Dugout DickStone on February 26, 2017, 10:38:05 AM
Wack, you may want to skip this one
Everyone played nice last night. It was refreshing.
http://ew.com/tv/2017/02/27/oscar-ratings-4/
Quote
Oscars ratings lowest in 9 years
  :frown:

Man, SNL cashing huge checks and the Oscars play it nice and get stomped.