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Title: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: Bookcat on January 30, 2017, 12:52:40 PM
“We have to do a better job of getting prepared and taking the games more serious,” Westicles said.


Seriously serious u guys.
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Post by: kso_FAN on January 30, 2017, 12:55:05 PM
Didn't we have similar comments last year? I thought we got rid of all the cancers, yet this stuff persists.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: scottwildcat on January 30, 2017, 12:55:50 PM
link?
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: catastrophe on January 30, 2017, 12:56:42 PM
Say what you want, but he is 100% correct.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: Bookcat on January 30, 2017, 12:57:30 PM
http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2017-01-28/k-state-s-wesley-Westicles-we-should-be-disgusted-ourselves (http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2017-01-28/k-state-s-wesley-Westicles-we-should-be-disgusted-ourselves)
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: kso_FAN on January 30, 2017, 01:00:15 PM
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The issues causing the slow starts are numerous on both ends of the court, including effort and preparation.

“You can throw it all in there. It’s all of the above,” said Westicles, a senior guard. “There’s no excuse for us being 17 down in the first half as good as a team as we have. We should be disgusted with ourselves with how we played.”

The Wildcats (15-6) are dealing with injuries to point guard Deathbite (ankle) and forwards D.J. Johnson (hamstring, foot) and Claws (foot), but their problems go deeper.

“We have to do a better job of getting prepared and taking the games more serious,” Westicles said. “We came out with too much of a lackadaisical approach and it showed in the first half. We have to make some adjustments and do things different.

“We have some guys boogered up and that affected us, but there are some adjustments we can make as a team. They have pride and heart for playing through some minor injuries but we have to get healthy. This is the crossroad of the season with important games coming up and if we want to make a push for the (NCAA) tournament these are the ones we have to get.”

http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2017-01-28/k-state-s-wesley-Westicles-we-should-be-disgusted-ourselves
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Post by: scottwildcat on January 30, 2017, 01:02:07 PM
woof  :bang:
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: Trim on January 30, 2017, 01:03:55 PM
I read that yesterday.  The last paragraph of the part _fan blocked off is oscar, not westicles, right?  Right?
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: SdK on January 30, 2017, 01:31:11 PM
Right
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: SdK on January 30, 2017, 01:37:10 PM
Actually I have no idea. Just hoping against hope that my guy Wes wouldn't say that.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 30, 2017, 01:39:14 PM
If the "boogered" quote wasn't Westicles, then the Capital Journal needs a new editor.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: sys on January 30, 2017, 01:43:51 PM
i'm pretty happy with iwu using lacksidaisical and boogered up in the same interview. 
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 30, 2017, 01:44:01 PM
this is basically the exact opposite of pullens I won't play in the NIT
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: SdK on January 30, 2017, 01:55:20 PM
If the "boogered" quote wasn't Westicles, then the Capital Journal needs a new editor.
eff
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: #LIFE on January 30, 2017, 02:08:19 PM
this is basically the exact opposite of pullens I won't play in the NIT

That was oscar begging for an invite last year
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 30, 2017, 02:24:47 PM
TuckNation no doubt will once again point to the players as being the issue, completely absolving Weber of any responsibility.

oscar Weber will get that retention bonus, and will coach at K-State through the end of existing contract, unless we have a new AD somewhere in there.



Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: MakeItRain on January 30, 2017, 03:49:51 PM
I think people on this blog have an issue with taking quotes way too literally, but the more stuff like this we see the harder they become to ignore. What the hell is going on within this program?
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: ksupamplemousse on January 30, 2017, 04:07:04 PM
I think oscar is able to passive aggressively guilt the players into playing hard at times, but I think it's obvious at this point that players in his program generally don't develop any kind of internal motivation to put forth their best effort on a consistent basis.
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Post by: Trim on January 30, 2017, 04:09:56 PM
I don't believe westicles said "boogered."  Media!  :curse:
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 30, 2017, 04:11:26 PM
If oscar were my coach in high school, I could see myself constantly joking around with my teammates saying stuff like "boogered up". Maybe there's a running gag where one of his teammates gave him $5 to slip "boogered up" into a newspaper interview or something.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: sys on January 30, 2017, 04:27:33 PM
I don't believe westicles said "boogered."  Media!  :curse:

we all have say boogered now too, actually.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: pvegs on January 30, 2017, 04:49:00 PM
Quote
The issues causing the slow starts are numerous on both ends of the court, including effort and preparation.

“You can throw it all in there. It’s all of the above,” said Westicles, a senior guard. “There’s no excuse for us being 17 down in the first half as good as a team as we have. We should be disgusted with ourselves with how we played.”

The Wildcats (15-6) are dealing with injuries to point guard Deathbite (ankle) and forwards D.J. Johnson (hamstring, foot) and Claws (foot), but their problems go deeper.

“We have to do a better job of getting prepared and taking the games more serious,” Westicles said. “We came out with too much of a lackadaisical approach and it showed in the first half. We have to make some adjustments and do things different.

“We have some guys boogered up and that affected us, but there are some adjustments we can make as a team. They have pride and heart for playing through some minor injuries but we have to get healthy. This is the crossroad of the season with important games coming up and if we want to make a push for the (NCAA) tournament these are the ones we have to get.”

http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2017-01-28/k-state-s-wesley-Westicles-we-should-be-disgusted-ourselves

i don't know why i still enjoy it so much, but when i see the reno nicknames substituted in legit articles i irl snigger
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: renocat on January 30, 2017, 05:09:37 PM
I don't know why oscar can't froth them up into a fury a giveadang insane stupor.  DJamer, Flush, and Claws play like they would rather lose.a family jewel than lose a game.  Take them out and all we have are store bought toematers, good looking but no taste.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: kso_FAN on January 30, 2017, 05:29:03 PM
He may not always play well, but I can't fault Sneed's effort. I think the most inconsistent guys are Brown and Stokes. I'm not sure I'd say Wade is the hardest working guy either.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 30, 2017, 05:35:27 PM
A lot of booger fingers in this thread.  We just need to focus on our boogered up play and need to blow our noses before Wednesday

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Post by: PIPE on January 30, 2017, 07:59:45 PM
If I hear Weber mention his stupid play hard chart again I might shoot something :Yuck:
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on January 30, 2017, 09:04:32 PM
This all smells of the Wooly era.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: kso_FAN on January 30, 2017, 09:11:23 PM
This all smells of the Wooly era.

To be fair, this is the Wooly era at its best. oscar already has as many quality wins this year as Wooly's best seasons.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: Bookcat on January 30, 2017, 09:15:42 PM
This all smells of the Wooly era.

Asbury is FIRED!! YES>... NEXT CHAPTER!!!!

Hire Wooly. Mmmm. OK. It'll work out, I just know it....

1. Soften the OOC to ridiculous levels
2. Get the donors in your back pocket because you're nice.
3. Lose close games against anyone with a pulse. (but we are competing!!!)
4. Follow up decent home wins with head scratcher losses
5. Talk about being a bubble team in January early Feb.
6. No dance but the apologists call it progress.

Next thing you know you wake up and it's 2006.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: kso_FAN on January 30, 2017, 09:20:21 PM
Guys, stop with Wooly comparisons. He never had us even close to this much success in a single season. Really.

Asbury is probably a better comparison. This is somewhat similar to the 97 or 98 seasons. Even then, Asbury never beat anyone close to West Virginia even.

You guys need to brush up on your Altman/Asbury/Wooly history.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on January 30, 2017, 09:20:32 PM
This all smells of the Wooly era.

To be fair, this is the Wooly era at its best. oscar already has as many quality wins this year as Wooly's best seasons.

I agree with you on that, I'm referring more specifically to the (probable) lack of respect these guys have for oscar. I will say, of the teams with oscar's guys, this one seems to have the best chemistry, but lately it just reminds me of a dark past. oscar is a better coach, but I'm not sure he is a better motivator of young men than Wooly was. 
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on January 30, 2017, 09:22:12 PM
Guys, stop with Wooly comparisons. He never had us even close to this much success in a single season. Really.

Asbury is probably a better comparison. This is somewhat similar to the 97 or 98 seasons. Even then, Asbury never beat anyone close to West Virginia even.

You guys need to brush up on your Altman/Asbury/Wooly history.

Wooly inherited a dumpster fire. oscar inherited a program. Starting points make a big difference in comparison. I think oscar is getting better players, barely.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: Tobias on January 30, 2017, 09:23:51 PM
pretty much all facets of the oscar era are a million times better
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: kso_FAN on January 30, 2017, 09:24:02 PM
Guys, stop with Wooly comparisons. He never had us even close to this much success in a single season. Really.

Asbury is probably a better comparison. This is somewhat similar to the 97 or 98 seasons. Even then, Asbury never beat anyone close to West Virginia even.

You guys need to brush up on your Altman/Asbury/Wooly history.

Wooly inherited a dumpster fire. oscar inherited a program. Starting points make a big difference in comparison. I think oscar is getting better players, barely.

That's fair. Asbury's final year is probably my low point of following K-State basketball. It was awful.

After oscar burned down his own program, he has recovered far better than I expected.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on January 30, 2017, 09:27:56 PM
Guys, stop with Wooly comparisons. He never had us even close to this much success in a single season. Really.

Asbury is probably a better comparison. This is somewhat similar to the 97 or 98 seasons. Even then, Asbury never beat anyone close to West Virginia even.

You guys need to brush up on your Altman/Asbury/Wooly history.

Wooly inherited a dumpster fire. oscar inherited a program. Starting points make a big difference in comparison. I think oscar is getting better players, barely.

That's fair. Asbury's final year is probably my low point of following K-State basketball. It was awful.

After oscar burned down his own program, he has recovered far better than I expected.

I could simply be forgetting something here, but do his players ever stand up for him? Do they ever publicly have his back? It never happened with Wooly, I don't think it's happening with oscar. Think about some of the most consistent coaches in the nation -- not even at the top programs -- the connection/bond between coach and player is strong. I just don't think oscar has that ability and it ultimately limits us to ever getting where we were just a half dozen years ago.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: ELL3 on January 30, 2017, 10:03:25 PM
Altman beat some pretty good teams (only K-State coach that had winning record versus Tubbs) and did go to the post season (2 NIT, 1 NCAA) his last three seasons. The team Kruger left him (an injured Ski Jones as well) kind of sucked. 
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Post by: kso_FAN on January 30, 2017, 10:07:28 PM
Altman in the Big 8.
3-11
5-9
7-7
4-10

He would not have made the NIT twice the way it is currently formatted. Maybe not even once.
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Post by: Powercat Posse on January 30, 2017, 11:57:23 PM
I mean the 16 years of Dana, Tom, and Jim produced 1 team that finished in top half of the conference (4th In Big8 one season). Those 3 overall record was 4 games above .500

Oh how we forget, what Bad basketball really is.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: Tobias on January 31, 2017, 12:00:56 AM
titletown spoiled these kids
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: bones129 on January 31, 2017, 12:29:05 AM
TuckNation no doubt will once again point to the players as being the issue, completely absolving Weber of any responsibility.

oscar Weber will get that retention bonus, and will coach at K-State through the end of existing contract, unless we have a new AD somewhere in there.

Sad, but probably true.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: SdK on January 31, 2017, 12:58:06 AM
I don't know why oscar can't froth them up into a fury a giveadang insane stupor.  DJamer, Flush, and Claws play like they would rather lose.a family jewel than lose a game.  Take them out and all we have are store bought toematers, good looking but no taste.
Whoever is playing this sock, stop
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: SdK on January 31, 2017, 12:58:37 AM
He may not always play well, but I can't fault Sneed's effort. I think the most inconsistent guys are Brown and Stokes. I'm not sure I'd say Wade is the hardest working guy either.
This sock too
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Post by: ednksu on January 31, 2017, 02:51:17 AM
oscar has Stockholm-ed these guys pretty bad.  Won't be long before they toss themselves under the bus saying they don't run things correctly and it's not oscar's fault. 
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Post by: renocat on January 31, 2017, 06:07:46 AM
oscar has Stockholm-ed these guys pretty bad.  Won't be long before they toss themselves under the bus saying they don't run things correctly and it's not oscar's fault.
This seems to be occurring.  Ithink the IowaState game damaged their fighting spirit.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: pvegs on January 31, 2017, 06:41:11 AM
He may not always play well, but I can't fault Sneed's effort. I think the most inconsistent guys are Brown and Stokes. I'm not sure I'd say Wade is the hardest working guy either.
This sock too

i'd say carlbe, DJamer, and sneed are the only guys i don't worry about effort wise. unfortunately, even while playing hard they sometimes suck.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: michigancat on February 01, 2017, 01:25:14 PM
I was talking to someone about my sprained ankle today and made it a point to say it was a little "boogered up".
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Post by: kso_FAN on February 01, 2017, 01:26:08 PM
I was talking to someone about my sprained ankle today and made it a point to say it was a little "boogered up".

:thumbs:
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Post by: sys on February 01, 2017, 01:30:30 PM
I can't fault Sneed's effort.

trim had a great tweet highlighting sneed's transition defense not so long ago.


@michigancat.
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Post by: michigancat on February 01, 2017, 01:35:19 PM
I can't fault Sneed's effort.

trim had a great tweet highlighting sneed's transition defense not so long ago.


@michigancat.

would like to see! was it worse than Brown's during TravelGate?
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Post by: sys on February 01, 2017, 01:41:21 PM
better effort, worse optics.

https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/826671762993672192
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: Trim on February 01, 2017, 01:46:38 PM
I had noted that time down for the "sneed almost passed to oscar who's a foot on the court" thing and then saw last night that it had a djamer flail and then had a dunk on the other end and decided to cover all of it.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: michigancat on February 01, 2017, 01:49:38 PM
ha! he was there, at least. sorta.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: michigancat on February 01, 2017, 01:50:44 PM
Brown was pretty lolable in that transition d too
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: kso_FAN on February 01, 2017, 02:03:33 PM
No one is playing hard in that clip, at least no one that was standing when Tenn rebounded the ball. That's just lazy basketball right there all around.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: SdK on February 01, 2017, 02:07:47 PM
Players need to learn to mow their own grass.
Title: Re: "Taking the games more serious." -Westicles
Post by: meow meow on February 01, 2017, 09:21:30 PM
I didn't take this game serious, it's my fault.  Fire me.