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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: kso_FAN on January 21, 2017, 07:37:02 PM
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Some questionable moments in the middle of each half, but the balanced Cats battled through and found a way to finish.
What a difference a week makes.
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:Woot:
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There were a few times we could have mumped that up, but didn't. Take that win all day long
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is WVU trying to make the hook shot cool again or something
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Was fun would do again
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Some questionable moments in the middle of each half, but the balanced Cats battled through and found a way to finish.
What a difference a week makes.
"finished" two games in a row now
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"finished" two games in a row now
Yeah, LOL at those dorks that were freaking out about that.
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"finished" two games in a row now
Yeah, LOL at those dorks that were freaking out about that.
wes and stokes with the 3 driving lay ups late was the bees knees
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_fan is it possible to compare Huggy's team this year with Mike Anderson's Missouri circa 05-06 against Huggy? Just noticed a lot of similarities (foul the eff out of the op) between their press.
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FT shooting was pretty crazy. WVU was way over their average and we were way under ours. It led to about a 9 point difference in WVU's favor in the expected score based on normal shooting. It was good to overcome that and the bizarre call on Wes.
Cats have been good at forcing TOs all year, so forcing WVU into so many wasn't a huge surprise. 3PT% defense crept a little bit back to normal thanks to WVU missing some late ones.
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The way we started missing a bunch of threes, and then they started making several I thoight we were in big trouble.
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1) We overcame a 16-1 & 13-1 run, plus 17-31 FT and still won. Just absolutely huge knowing that
2) We countered with 10-0, 16-4 and Huge 7-0 run after WV took lead late. Brown was big. 3 FTs, deflection steal and layup
3). Plus 9.3 on TO%. That helped counter our first awful game from FT line in a while.
4) They hit some tough shots, but our D had issues for long stretch in 1st half. They went 12-19 FG with 5 3pt to go on 36-17 spurt and take 38-26 lead
5) Great thing is after that bad showing on D by us, WV only got 4 FGs, 10 TOs and 15 pts next 26 Poss. 12 pt deficit to 11 pt lead for us in 26 Poss...That is Awesome!!
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Bottom line...
We shot 56% on eFG (our B12 ave). We did hold them under 50%, and 38% allowed on 3pt wasn't terrible.
If the FT shooting is even for both teams, we win this one easily. Teams are now 83-101 on FT vs Us last 5 games (that sucks)
Our TO% forced is now almost 25.0 in B12. Best in the league
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K-State now leads the Big 12 in defensive TO%. 2nd in steal%.
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_FAN, did you go to the game? i opted to stay home but i did watch the entire game this time. The crowd seemed great on tv.
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I gotta quit reading these posts tonight...
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I gotta quit reading these posts tonight...
cDub, it was a good game. I still want WVU to win every game but those against the Cats.
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_FAN, did you go to the game? i opted to stay home but i did watch the entire game this time. The crowd seemed great on tv.
No, I was out of town and traveling home. Fortunately I got a good LTE signal and could watch the entire 2nd half on my phone.
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I gotta quit reading these posts tonight...
Sorry. Eers will be okay.
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I like we.don't wilt when adversity arises. I thought we were going to get toileted at the end of the.1st half. Wes rectumnical did not kill.us either. It was funny though wathing coach Fraizer restrain Oscar.
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_FAN, did you go to the game? i opted to stay home but i did watch the entire game this time. The crowd seemed great on tv.
I was at the game in the STUDent section and the whole crowd was rocking. Everyone was standing and yelling from front row clear to the back.
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I gotta quit reading these posts tonight...
Chin up bud, your second favorite team got a W tonight :D
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anyone got a replay of the Westicles flagrant?
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I have this thing where my emotions are tested. I want what's best for the 'Cats and and the players to keep winning and keep K-State relevant, but I also hate oscar and think he's a weirdo who I don't want on the sidelines.
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anyone got a replay of the Westicles flagrant?
It was a joke. Total BS call. Ridiculous
Once again, most impressive thing all night... Ksu down 38-26. The next 26 Poss, we outscored them 38-15. TOs, WV 10 Ksu 3 in that run. And we shot 13-20 with 3 3pt.
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I have this thing where my emotions are tested. I want what's best for the 'Cats and and the players to keep winning and keep K-State relevant, but I also hate oscar and think he's a weirdo who I don't want on the sidelines.
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This is my conundrum as well
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I have this thing where my emotions are tested. I want what's best for the 'Cats and and the players to keep winning and keep K-State relevant, but I also hate oscar and think he's a weirdo who I don't want on the sidelines.
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This is my conundrum as well
Don't fight it....tonight was a great win....enjoy
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The call was way worse than Svis travel because the refs actually reviewed it and changed the no call
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It's good to have multiple ball handlers. IMO helped break the press. It was fun at the end to.watch our guards drive to the basket.
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K-State now leads the Big 12 in defensive TO%. 2nd in steal%.
they play good d. i know the big 12 only stats don't entirely back that up, but i trust my eyes on this one.
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K-State now leads the Big 12 in defensive TO%. 2nd in steal%.
they play good d. i know the big 12 only stats don't entirely back that up, but i trust my eyes on this one.
My eyes agree
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From the AP story:
Turnovers by the Mountaineers would eventually be their undoing. After averaging just a shade over 11 turnovers per game, the Mountaineers committed 23 in the loss.
"When you look at the amount of turnovers, and their halfcourt defense is not something to turn people over." West Virginia head coach Bob Huggins said following the contest.
Seems like a weird/inaccurate comment from Huggs about our halfcourt D. Then again, he never seems to miss an opportunity to put everything bad at the feet of his players.
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Using DJamer to break the press early in the second half after WVU adjusted their press at halftime was a nice wrinkle.
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anyone got a replay of the Westicles flagrant?
It was a joke. Total BS call. Ridiculous
Once again, most impressive thing all night... Ksu down 38-26. The next 26 Poss, we outscored them 38-15. TOs, WV 10 Ksu 3 in that run. And we shot 13-20 with 3 3pt.
The two fouls called on the 'Cats when WVU players were shooting 3's were hilarious, no one called them for what they were: FLOPS. The flagrant on Wes was just great acting, I liked how the player reacted like a baby and held his head where Wes didn't even touch him.
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Using DJamer to break the press early in the second half after WVU adjusted their press at halftime was a nice wrinkle.
This. It was such a simple adjustment, but made an enormous difference.
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Yes. Getting the ball to a big and then right back to a guard is a great way to break pressure, especially when WVU was using the guy guarding the inbounder to trap.
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We only had 5 TOs our last 41 Possessions. Did a good job of not letting the press get to us for almost the entire 2nd half. I can remember Wes having a TO and Adrian got a layup, and Brown threw the ball away about mid court. Those are the only 2 that come to mind where the pressure got to us in 2nd half.
Didn't Turn it over, and also scored the ball well. 5 TOs in 41 Poss. So the other 36 Poss, we put up 52 Pts.
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Cats did an amazing job of not letting one turnover turn into 2,3,4. That was huge.
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Ervin play the last two games has been good for his role. Playing about 10 mins brining defense and rebounding.
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Ervin play the last two games has been good for his role. Playing about 10 mins brining defense and rebounding.
Same thing with Maurice the last 3 games. I like his little mid range jumper from the corner.
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We only had 5 TOs our last 41 Possessions. Did a good job of not letting the press get to us for almost the entire 2nd half. I can remember Wes having a TO and Adrian got a layup, and Brown threw the ball away about mid court. Those are the only 2 that come to mind where the pressure got to us in 2nd half.
Didn't Turn it over, and also scored the ball well. 5 TOs in 41 Poss. So the other 36 Poss, we put up 52 Pts.
We were great with the ball the last 25 minutes. Before that we had some horrible turnovers, then we finally stopped trying to run with them and got back to running offense. When we dictated tempo, we dominated.
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Ervin play the last two games has been good for his role. Playing about 10 mins brining defense and rebounding.
Same thing with Maurice the last 3 games. I like his little mid range jumper from the corner.
It is such a good weapon. I wish they would bring Patrick a long more. Everyone talks about how he is the best shooter on the team and he has a good build.
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Sneed's lack of minutes are also frustrating
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Sneed's lack of minutes are also frustrating
I tend to agree a bit, but whose minutes does he take?
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Sneed's lack of minutes are also frustrating
I tend to agree a bit, but whose minutes does he take?
Any of the players from 1-4 could play at least 5 fewer minutes. They're all solid, but isn't like they're first team all-league caliber players that need to play 35 minutes per game. It's obvious oscar blames the loss of Stokes to the poor finish last year (given how color commentators mention it every game). Maybe you could play a guy like that less than 36 minutes the game after he left the court with a sprained ankle?
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From the AP story:
Turnovers by the Mountaineers would eventually be their undoing. After averaging just a shade over 11 turnovers per game, the Mountaineers committed 23 in the loss.
"When you look at the amount of turnovers, and their halfcourt defense is not something to turn people over." West Virginia head coach Bob Huggins said following the contest.
Seems like a weird/inaccurate comment from Huggs about our halfcourt D. Then again, he never seems to miss an opportunity to put everything bad at the feet of his players.
I agree on the psychology of Huggs putting things on his players, but I also think he's simply referring to our style of D not being one that should cause that many turnovers.
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Sneed's lack of minutes are also frustrating
I tend to agree a bit, but whose minutes does he take?
Any of the players from 1-4 could play at least 5 fewer minutes. They're all solid, but isn't like they're first team all-league caliber players that need to play 35 minutes per game. It's obvious oscar blames the loss of Stokes to the poor finish last year (given how color commentators mention it every game). Maybe you could play a guy like that less than 36 minutes the game after he left the court with a sprained ankle?
Ya, Stokes/Brown playing 69 minutes. Wes ave 33 min per game and Wade almost 32 (B12 play that is).
Very few times has Wes been in at the 2, but if you had Stokes/Brown duo get 4-5 less minutes, Wes could see a little time at SG. Snead just 17.7 minutes right now.
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As far as I'm concerned, Wes, Stokes, and Brown are interchangeable at the 1-2 if Sneed is in.
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Cats did an amazing job of not letting one turnover turn into 2,3,4. That was huge.
Except for the LOLable stretch of five second counts
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WVU is trash
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Sneed should play better on offense and he'll play more. Stokes kind of has to be on the floor a lot.
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Sneed should play better on offense and he'll play more. Stokes kind of has to be on the floor a lot.
Even when he is on the floor, he will go stretches without even touching the ball because Wes and Kam get dribble happy.
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Sneed should play better on offense and he'll play more. Stokes kind of has to be on the floor a lot.
Sneed plays very good offense when he's on the floor. Maybe you meant defense? He's pretty at creating steals but seems to struggle at times staying in front of his man.
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He was bad offensively last night (no pts, several turnovers), hence fewer minutes.
It's not that hard, guys.
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Based on conf play, it's maurice who should be getting more minutes.
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Ftr, i love sneed
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Sneed played 11 minutes, took two shots, and had 2 turnovers. Tough to deduce much from that other than he barely played. On the season he turns it over at a lower rate than Stokes and Westicles. oscar recruited a potentially really good player and he should play him more.
Based on conf play, it's maurice who should be getting more minutes.
I'd also be fine with this, although his defense is probably worse than Sneed's.
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"On the season"? Comparing turnover stats of primary ball handlers to guys not expected to dribble? Come on michigancat
He was bad last night and played minutes accordingly. I'm guessing most freshman struggle like that against wvu.
Maurice is boarding and defending like a grown man in conf play. Sneed's production has dropped off
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"On the season"? come on michigancat
He was bad last night and played accordingly. I'm guessing most freshman struggle like that against wvu.
Maurice is boarding and defending like a grown man in conf play.
you don't know what the eff you're talking about
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Okay, Michigancat
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I think M-Cat is right. Sneed has 10 steals in 7 Conference games, playing less than half the game. That's very solid. But he does struggle at times on defense.
His shot selection is really good. His 10-15 on 2pt in conference play shows that.
It does seem like when he has a few TOs, that Weber plays him less. He had 2 TOs in the 1st half Saturday and the other game he didn't play much was Texas (3 TOs 11 min)
I'd like to see him get 22-24 minutes consistently each game.
I really have enjoyed the way Maurice has hit the boards last few games.
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punishing a player for committing two turnovers in 7 minutes of play is pretty stupid (especially when they aren't 7 concurrent minutes). It isn't like Sneed was in over his head out there.
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I could have sworn we won that game yesterday.
Sneed's +/- was -16 :horrorsurprise:
He also clanked two FTs.
He's a great player and will be fine, just had a bad game. It's okay.
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In general, I would like to see Sneed play more, but I saw nothing that warranted more minutes on Saturday. Other guys were playing well and especially in the first half he wasn't that great.
I'm happy that oscar has pretty much gone with a limited rotation in conference play, especially with DJamer playing over 70% of the time. Sneed, Ervin, and Maurice will get their spots to rotate in, but for the most part I think this rotation works.
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In general, I would like to see Sneed play more, but I saw nothing that warranted more minutes on Saturday. Other guys were playing well and especially in the first half he wasn't that great.
I'm happy that oscar has pretty much gone with a limited rotation in conference play, especially with DJamer playing over 70% of the time. Sneed, Ervin, and Maurice will get their spots to rotate in, but for the most part I think this rotation works.
one thing i like about our lack of depth this year is that it doesn't give oscar a chance to screw things up. i mean, when our only rotation critiques are whether maurice or sneed should play 3 mins more a game, i'm fairly content.
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In general, I would like to see Sneed play more, but I saw nothing that warranted more minutes on Saturday. Other guys were playing well and especially in the first half he wasn't that great.
I'm happy that oscar has pretty much gone with a limited rotation in conference play, especially with DJamer playing over 70% of the time. Sneed, Ervin, and Maurice will get their spots to rotate in, but for the most part I think this rotation works.
one thing i like about our lack of depth this year is that it doesn't give oscar a chance to screw things up. i mean, when our only rotation critiques are whether maurice or sneed should play 3 mins more a game, i'm fairly content.
We only have a lack of depth at the forward/center position, and the more Isaiah plays decently the less of an issue this is.
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In general, I would like to see Sneed play more, but I saw nothing that warranted more minutes on Saturday. Other guys were playing well and especially in the first half he wasn't that great.
I'm happy that oscar has pretty much gone with a limited rotation in conference play, especially with DJamer playing over 70% of the time. Sneed, Ervin, and Maurice will get their spots to rotate in, but for the most part I think this rotation works.
one thing i like about our lack of depth this year is that it doesn't give oscar a chance to screw things up. i mean, when our only rotation critiques are whether maurice or sneed should play 3 mins more a game, i'm fairly content.
We only have a lack of depth at the forward/center position, and the more Isaiah plays decently the less of an issue this is.
Stokes and Brown both play more minutes than Jacob Pullen did at any point in his career. Not saying you're wrong about our backcourt depth, but it certainly implies we don't take full advantage of our depth.
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In general, I would like to see Sneed play more, but I saw nothing that warranted more minutes on Saturday. Other guys were playing well and especially in the first half he wasn't that great.
I'm happy that oscar has pretty much gone with a limited rotation in conference play, especially with DJamer playing over 70% of the time. Sneed, Ervin, and Maurice will get their spots to rotate in, but for the most part I think this rotation works.
one thing i like about our lack of depth this year is that it doesn't give oscar a chance to screw things up. i mean, when our only rotation critiques are whether maurice or sneed should play 3 mins more a game, i'm fairly content.
We only have a lack of depth at the forward/center position, and the more Isaiah plays decently the less of an issue this is.
Stokes and Brown both play more minutes than Jacob Pullen did at any point in his career. Not saying you're wrong about our backcourt depth, but it certainly implies we don't take full advantage of our depth.
I don't think we take full advantage of our depth but I understand, the man is trying to keep his job. Developing depth is for secure coaches.
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In general, I would like to see Sneed play more, but I saw nothing that warranted more minutes on Saturday. Other guys were playing well and especially in the first half he wasn't that great.
I'm happy that oscar has pretty much gone with a limited rotation in conference play, especially with DJamer playing over 70% of the time. Sneed, Ervin, and Maurice will get their spots to rotate in, but for the most part I think this rotation works.
one thing i like about our lack of depth this year is that it doesn't give oscar a chance to screw things up. i mean, when our only rotation critiques are whether maurice or sneed should play 3 mins more a game, i'm fairly content.
We only have a lack of depth at the forward/center position, and the more Isaiah plays decently the less of an issue this is.
Stokes and Brown both play more minutes than Jacob Pullen did at any point in his career. Not saying you're wrong about our backcourt depth, but it certainly implies we don't take full advantage of our depth.
I don't think we take full advantage of our depth but I understand, the man is trying to keep his job. Developing depth is for secure coaches.
Yeah. Although I do think there is a slightly increased risk of injury to those players. I really don't know if fatigue over the course of the season is much of an issue in college for guys like Stokes and Brown, but it seems like it could have an impact.
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Guys, we don't have a legit option at pg after stokes. It's pretty rough ridin' obvious.