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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: SdK on January 14, 2017, 08:12:10 PM
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I'm watching this on CNN and will probably watch the one about Michelle. They keep talking about how Trump is going to undo a lot of what Obama did. Liberal media, blah blah. It's so scary to me that we are going from Obama to Trump.
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I watched that the other night, I enjoyed it.
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Hegemony
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I'm gonna miss this guy :cry:
Set the dvr for Ivanka's special on Monday. :love:
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I'm watching this on CNN and will probably watch the one about Michelle. They keep talking about how Trump is going to undo a lot of what Obama did. Liberal media, blah blah. It's so scary to me that we are going from Obama to Trump.
Don't worry too much. Ol' Weinerdog Trump has bad teeth and a weak bark. I see him getting tired of this all, and letting people with level heads do the grunt work. Liberals should demand constructive input instead of being crybaby obstructionists. Love Thy Self Don wants respect. So rub his belly and scratch his wallies, and he will be your buddy.
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Frightening how horrid the Obama Administration's Foreign Policy was, just awful.
The Middle East is Burning from Yemen to North Africa, the world is closer to WWIII then it's been in decades, and possibly headed to war in the South China Sea, Iran will have both Nukes and ICBM's within 10 years, Libya is a cess pool of ISIS and Al Qaeda, and the greatest humanitarian crisis since WWII was created in Syria with a power vacuum creating the rise of ISIS.
#theworstever
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Frightening how horrid the Obama Administration's Foreign Policy was, just awful.
The Middle East is Burning from Yemen to North Africa, the world is closer to WWIII then it's been in decades, and possibly headed to war in the South China Sea, Iran will have both Nukes and ICBM's within 10 years, Libya is a cess pool of ISIS and Al Qaeda, and the greatest humanitarian crisis since WWII was created in Syria with a power vacuum creating the rise of ISIS.
#theworstever
I'll take that bet. $100?
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Frightening how horrid the Obama Administration's Foreign Policy was, just awful.
The Middle East is Burning from Yemen to North Africa, the world is closer to WWIII then it's been in decades, and possibly headed to war in the South China Sea, Iran will have both Nukes and ICBM's within 10 years, Libya is a cess pool of ISIS and Al Qaeda, and the greatest humanitarian crisis since WWII was created in Syria with a power vacuum creating the rise of ISIS.
#theworstever
I'll take that bet. $100?
They're already on the way to ICBM's.
Sure, 2027, $100 bucks.
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Don't ruin this thread, Dax. tia :cheers:
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Counterintuitively, quantitatively, statistically, the world is more peaceful than it has ever been.
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I'm going to miss Obama and his cool and his speeches.
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Counterintuitively, quantitatively, statistically, the world is more peaceful than it has ever been.
a lot of people (our new president being one) think crime rates are also skyrocketing. people are mostly idiots.
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A lot of people are addicted to fear. It's sad, really.
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I think it's just a human survival instinct to ignore facts and assume there's a boogeyman/criminal around every corner. We're still cavemen at heart. (and cavemen were kinda idiots, just not compared to other species.)
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The murder rate is going up in some major cities, but overall crime is generally down. Quite possibly thanks to the growing surveillance state and still ongoing incarceration nation.
"Generally Speaking" in terms of world peace. Sure, if your litmus test is that the world isn't in a collective hot war. But that doesn't dismiss the greatest humanitarian crisis since WWII (the U.N. High Commission on Refugees words) in Syria, entirely inflamed and made worse by U.S. policy under the Obama administration. That doesn't change the fact that conflict in the middle east has now engulfed a much greater swath of territory under Obama, and now includes a substantial part of North Africa. What was the headline awhile back, the U.S. was bombing someone or something in 7 countries within the span of days? Perpetual war creep was an absolute fact under Obama. It's also a fact that relations among the worlds Nuclear armed nations is as contentious as its been in decades.
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Some people are just addicted to perpetual butthurt
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I'm addicted to perpetual butthurt
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Fear is def a prewired thing that shorts out a lot of rational thought. What's crazy about that in todays day and age is the availability of information and the distance from the supposed issue/thing that is to be feared, and yet fear is still short circuiting so many ppls thinking process.
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Fear is def a prewired thing that shorts out a lot of rational thought. What's crazy about that in todays day and age is the availability of information and the distance from the supposed issue/thing that is to be feared, and yet fear is still short circuiting so many ppls thinking process.
What is that supposed to mean? Who is afraid?
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Fear is def a prewired thing that shorts out a lot of rational thought. What's crazy about that in todays day and age is the availability of information and the distance from the supposed issue/thing that is to be feared, and yet fear is still short circuiting so many ppls thinking process.
What is that supposed to mean? Who is afraid?
Have you watched any news lately? Listened to any political radio? By "lately" I mean since 9/11?
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Fear is def a prewired thing that shorts out a lot of rational thought. What's crazy about that in todays day and age is the availability of information and the distance from the supposed issue/thing that is to be feared, and yet fear is still short circuiting so many ppls thinking process.
What is that supposed to mean? Who is afraid?
You seem to be afraid of many things.
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Fear is def a prewired thing that shorts out a lot of rational thought. What's crazy about that in todays day and age is the availability of information and the distance from the supposed issue/thing that is to be feared, and yet fear is still short circuiting so many ppls thinking process.
What is that supposed to mean? Who is afraid?
Have you watched any news lately? Listened to any political radio? By "lately" I mean since 9/11?
I can kind of see your point, but when say the FBI comes and says they've stopped hundreds of terror plots within the span of a year or two.
One of two things is happening and neither is good.
If a country supposedly needs a $1 trillion dollar a year military/homeland/intelligence apparatus to be safe (not to mention state and local entities). Then the world is either a really dangerous place, or Ike was more right then ever.
If a government fights to the end to maintain their hold on things like the Patriot Act or ratchets up surveillance nation. Then at least two series of things are happening and neither series is good.
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It really doesn't matter which of two things(or more) is happening. Our elected leaders are pushing the fear button to get elected, to get things funded, to get general support, and to govern in general. No matter what any of the details you alluded to are, the use of that tool is not good and needs to be changed. We need to be electing and governing from places of knowledge and ppl are intentionally clouding that with fear.
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^ I think even you have done this on the football board.
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Job growth
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The murder rate is going up in some major cities, but overall crime is generally down. Quite possibly thanks to the growing surveillance state and still ongoing incarceration nation.
"Generally Speaking" in terms of world peace. Sure, if your litmus test is that the world isn't in a collective hot war. But that doesn't dismiss the greatest humanitarian crisis since WWII (the U.N. High Commission on Refugees words) in Syria, entirely inflamed and made worse by U.S. policy under the Obama administration. That doesn't change the fact that conflict in the middle east has now engulfed a much greater swath of territory under Obama, and now includes a substantial part of North Africa. What was the headline awhile back, the U.S. was bombing someone or something in 7 countries within the span of days? Perpetual war creep was an absolute fact under Obama. It's also a fact that relations among the worlds Nuclear armed nations is as contentious as its been in decades.
My critique of Obama's foreign policy is almost exactly the same, too many bombs/drones. Wrong side of the conflict in Libya/Syria/Egypt.
I think you should absolutely watch Adam Curtis' film "Hypernormalisation" and tell me what you think of it. You won't like all of it, but it is pretty compelling.
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^ I think even you have done this on the football board.
gE'ing on a football board isn't a fair comparo.
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I'll check that out KK.
Obama's 1.47% average GDP growth is the fourth worst of any U.S. president, ever. It's the worst of any Post WWII, U.S. president. Obama is also the only U.S. president ever to not deliver a single year of GDP growth 3% or above.
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i'd like to remember Obama as the guy who caused Dax's perpetual butthurt
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I don't really want to talk about Obama's legacy unless it's all good stuff
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I will remember him as the president who killed a US citizen with a robot. I will also remember him for his entertaining public persona. I will also remember him as the president who made a lot of racists mad.
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I did not know dax pre-obama but I'm going to assume dax's perpetual butthurt started sometime in the early 1960's
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Thanks a lot, dax.
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Dax is still mad at the 1942 Chiefs for not drafting a QB. No one knows his real age or where all of this started.
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^ I think even you have done this on the football board.
gE'ing on a football board isn't a fair comparo.
Fair enough.
But, politicians have been leveraging fear fooorever. Since before the birth of Christ.
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No, dax is clearly someone who had his formative years during the late 70s and early 80s, and this is the major lens through which he sees culture, politics, and world events. That would put him in his early 50s I would suspect.
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No, dax is clearly someone who had his formative years during the late 70s and early 80s, and this is the major lens through which he sees culture, politics, and world events. That would put him in his early 50s I would suspect.
55 is my guess
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49
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There isn't a man, woman, or child alive who doesn't hear Obama's name and then immediately take a moment to somberly reflect on Yemen and the eradication of American credibility.
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Of course some irrational fears of the right helped trump get elected. Which led to irrational fears on the left about a Trump presidency. Everyone is irrationally afraid. Pretty hilarious.
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I'm afraid of being so afraid of irrational fear that I won't be afraid when it actually is appropriate.
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I'm afraid of being so afraid of irrational fear that I won't be afraid when it actually is appropriate.
maybe just don't be afraid?
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Weird series of posts, but I would say that Lib's constant projection and related inability to deal with his internal rage about current events, is, dare I say, a bit unnerving at this juncture.
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There isn't a man, woman, or child alive who doesn't hear Obama's name and then immediately take a moment to somberly reflect on Yemen and the eradication of American credibility.
Most American's can't even properly describe our form of government and it's various mechanisms let alone anything related to foreign policy, besides good and bad (based on who tells them what to think).
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I'm afraid of being so afraid of irrational fear that I won't be afraid when it actually is appropriate.
maybe just don't be afraid?
I dunno, pretty steep downside to not being afraid when appropriate.
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I'm afraid of being so afraid of irrational fear that I won't be afraid when it actually is appropriate.
maybe just don't be afraid?
I dunno, pretty steep downside to not being afraid when appropriate.
If you're experiencing fear, you're doing something wrong. I'm not arguing that one should live in a bubble, either.
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The only thing we should be afraid of is being afraid of things that we shouldn't be afraid of.
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Dax is still mad at the 1942 Chiefs for not drafting a QB. No one knows his real age or where all of this started.
Weird Post WackyTuck, everyone knows that the Chiefs weren't around in 1942 (and neither was I), try to stay somewhat relevant here, friend.
Thanks buddy. :thumbsup:
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I'm pretty much only scared of heights. I'm sure there are other scary experiences. I just never have them.
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I am pretty claustrophobic
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I will remember Obama as a centrist president, in a intensly partisan age, who made mistakes but carried himself with dignity.
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I'm afraid of expired food
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My sense is that you are all missing the point.
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Im afraid i might be
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My sense is that you are all missing the point.
i am not afraid of missing the point
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Im afraid i might be
that sounds like a personal problem.
i am not afraid of missing the point
you are entitled to that perspective. there is always the chance that it isn't the correct lens, though.
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I'll remember Obama as the other guy who sometimes appeared in the Joe Biden memes.
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The only thing we should be afraid of is being afraid of things that we shouldn't be afraid of.
FDR's first draft.
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I'm afraid of being so afraid of irrational fear that I won't be afraid when it actually is appropriate.
maybe just don't be afraid?
I dunno, pretty steep downside to not being afraid when appropriate.
If you're experiencing fear, you're doing something wrong. I'm not arguing that one should live in a bubble, either.
I'm just messing with you, BTW.
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I'm afraid of being so afraid of irrational fear that I won't be afraid when it actually is appropriate.
maybe just don't be afraid?
I dunno, pretty steep downside to not being afraid when appropriate.
If you're experiencing fear, you're doing something wrong. I'm not arguing that one should live in a bubble, either.
I'm just messing with you, BTW.
I'm well aware. I was bored at work today too.
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Calmer than I am dude?
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fermentedheadcat is totally chill man
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Calmer than I am dude?
Probably, but I don't know that for certain.
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(https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/files/2012/12/1139629.jpg)
not my president :billdance:
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(https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/files/2012/12/1139629.jpg)
not my president :billdance:
Well he was for 8 years.
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His legacy will be Republican domination for years to come. Bringing the lunacy of progressive fascism into the spotlight so the American people could summarily crush it.
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https://twitter.com/MacaoMiriam/status/822930020578496512
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Fsd has a small penis his wife told me
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I think Obama's proudest legacy will definitely be being the first black president. He was a symbol, and that, combined with his soaring but typically empty rhetoric, caused most liberals to swoon. But substantively, it was pretty much downhill since his election.
I'll start working on a report card:
1. Economy. Market did great under Obama, which means people's retirement accounts did great. That's a plus. Negatives were pretty much everything else. We now have about 5mil more jobs than 2008, or 15mil jobs than when things hit bottom in 2010. Either way, population grew by 20mil so we've actually gone backwards. Not surprisingly, labor force participation has fallen significantly, and GDP growth has been pathetic. The bottom line is that Obama thought business was the bad guy and they reciprocated. Grade: D.
2. Debt: He added more to the debt than nearly every one of his predecessors combined. Appalling. Grade: Expulsion.
3. Healthcare: His signature legislative achievement, Obamacare, has been a train wreck. It helped a few million people at the expense of everyone else. Essentially, he added a bunch more people to the already strapped Medicaid entitlement. It'll be repealed and replaced in some form. Grade: D-.
4. Foreign Policy: Obama's "Lead From Behind" doctrine while simultaneously destabilizing regimes like Libya has been an utter shambles. Killed a lot of terrorists with drone strikes tho. Grade: D+.
5. Energy: If there was one word to describe Obama's foolhardy quest to pump green energy it would be "Solyndra." We became a net exporter of energy in spite of Obama with the shale boom. Grade: F.
6. Immigration: This one's in the eye of the beholder. Liberals would approve his contra-constitutional Dreamer policy. As a conservative, I don't like lawlessness or promoting illegal immigration. Grade: F.
7. Race Relations: I don't think this needs much elaboration. Obama could have used his identity to be a unifier and healer. Instead, his rhetoric was divisive. Grade: F.
8. Social Issues. Another one in the eye of the beholder. For liberals, his actions on gay and transgender rights is a rare upside to Obama's legacy. For conservatives, its ranged from embarrassing to annoying. We've gone from Tear Down This Wall to Tear Down This Stall. Grade: D.
9. The Rule of Law. From immigration to Obamacare to many executive orders, Obama took the approach of "eff it - I'll do what I want for as long as I want and mostly get what I want even if a court goes against me in a few years." Good in short term for liberal policies. Bad in long term for fabric of our society. A bright spot for liberals is his appointment of two liberal justices who similarly believe that the law will be whatever they say it is to advance their ideology. From a conservative standpoint... Grade: F.
10. American Exceptionslism: He never believed in it and his travels abroad was a nonstop apology tour. Something liberals love, I guess. But in my view... Grade: F.
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Man you are a butt hurt person
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Shocking development
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That report card is pretty spot on. It's extremely difficult to see any tangible accomplishment. I'm sure social justice will some how be re-written as transformative.
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Hot off the press
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Fwd to 10 people within 30 minutes of reading for good luck all day!
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Man you are a butt hurt person
Maybe a little bit. Still pretty disappointed Obama won a second term given how unpopular nearly all of his substantive positions were - that's a sad indictment of what a cult of personality we've become.
But I think it's useful to look back at Obama and what he did well and poorly because I'll be judging Trump on the same things. I'm optimistic that he'll be quite successful in some areas - less in others.
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It's shocking to see that people can live a life so devoid of facts.
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Ksuw fully embraces alternative facts
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Edna's back :excited:
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ksuw,
I'll bet you $1,000 that the US labor participation rate under Trump never gets to 67%.
I'll bet you another $1,000 that US GDP growth never hits 4%, which is now a Trump promise on the White House webpage.
Interested in making some ca$h now that Obummer is out of office?
Sincerely,
KK
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Don't be a pussy KDub
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If he cuts $10 trillion from government spending he'll never hit 4% gdp. It's really quite remarkable how poorly obama did deficit spending ~ $1.5T per year on average.
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ksuw,
I'll bet you $1,000 that the US labor participation rate under Trump never gets to 67%.
I'll bet you another $1,000 that US GDP growth never hits 4%, which is now a Trump promise on the White House webpage.
Interested in making some ca$h now that Obummer is out of office?
Sincerely,
KK
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I didn't predict anything you'd like to wager on. While I certainly hope for improvement I wouldn't be so silly as gamble on such remarkable improvement. I'll just hope for it. That would be some welcome change.
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i don't think we were supposed to take that 4% thing as a literal promise
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i don't think we were supposed to take that 4% thing as a literal promise
Yeah, it was on of those "actions, not words" things Dax keeps referring to.
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It was more of an alternative promise
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Maybe you should bet Donald, since he's the one who promised it.
4% isnt some historic or outrageous figure. In fact, obama "promised" it when pitching the aca as revenue nuetral, which was a lol ridiculous lie. Every president except obama hit 4% at least once. And none of them had the benefit of $12T in deficit spending and record tax receipts.
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My expectation is that Trump outspends Obama.
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If that happens, 4% is a sure thing
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Has any president ever actually spent less than the one before him? Not counting the ones who died early, of course.
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ksuw,
I'll bet you $1,000 that the US labor participation rate under Trump never gets to 67%.
I'll bet you another $1,000 that US GDP growth never hits 4%, which is now a Trump promise on the White House webpage.
Interested in making some ca$h now that Obummer is out of office?
Sincerely,
KK
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I didn't predict anything you'd like to wager on. While I certainly hope for improvement I wouldn't be so silly as gamble on such remarkable improvement. I'll just hope for it. That would be some welcome change.
Put up or shut up, clown.
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ksuw,
I'll bet you $1,000 that the US labor participation rate under Trump never gets to 67%.
I'll bet you another $1,000 that US GDP growth never hits 4%, which is now a Trump promise on the White House webpage.
Interested in making some ca$h now that Obummer is out of office?
Sincerely,
KK
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. I didn't predict anything you'd like to wager on. While I certainly hope for improvement I wouldn't be so silly as gamble on such remarkable improvement. I'll just hope for it. That would be some welcome change.
Hope and Change. Where have I heard that before?
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Weird. I guess when you won't say Islamic oriented terrorism (in the case of actual Islamic oriented terrorism) in the Homeland. Then you get to say that there were no terrorist "organization" attacks on the homeland on your watch as you walk out the door. Fantastic word play I must say! A lie, utterly disingenuous and anti-intellectual, but fantastic word play none-the-less. Bravo!
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Maybe you should bet Donald, since he's the one who promised it.
4% isnt some historic or outrageous figure. In fact, obama "promised" it when pitching the aca as revenue nuetral, which was a lol ridiculous lie. Every president except obama hit 4% at least once. And none of them had the benefit of $12T in deficit spending and record tax receipts.
I'm pretty sure Bush didn't hit 4%.
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Maybe you should bet Donald, since he's the one who promised it.
4% isnt some historic or outrageous figure. In fact, obama "promised" it when pitching the aca as revenue nuetral, which was a lol ridiculous lie. Every president except obama hit 4% at least once. And none of them had the benefit of $12T in deficit spending and record tax receipts.
I'm pretty sure Bush didn't hit 4%.
Don't take him literally
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Job Approval Averages for U.S. Presidents Since World War II
Dates Average Job Approval
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Kennedy Jan. 20, 1961-Nov. 22, 1963 70.1
Eisenhower Jan. 20, 1953-Jan. 19, 1961 65.0
G.H.W. Bush Jan. 20, 1989-Jan. 19, 1993 60.9
Clinton Jan. 20, 1993-Jan. 19, 2001 55.1
Johnson Nov. 22, 1963-Jan. 19, 1969 55.1
Reagan Jan. 20, 1981-Jan. 19, 1989 52.8
G.W. Bush Jan. 20, 2001-Jan. 19, 2009 49.4
Nixon Jan. 20, 1969-Aug. 9, 1974 49.0
Obama Jan. 20, 2009-Jan. 19, 2017 47.9
Ford Aug. 9, 1974-Jan. 19, 1977 47.2
Carter Jan. 20, 1977-Jan. 19, 1981 45.5
Truman April 12, 1945-Jan 19, 1953 45.4
(Gallup)
Worse than Nixon Clap Clap clap-clap-clap Worse than Nixon . . . :lol:
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Bush I couldn't get re-elected? Was it the Desert Storm boost that is bumping that number up?
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https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/chelsea-manning-speaks-out-for-first-time-since-clemency-win/
Well I will be hog tied and marinated in bull semen. I did not know that in the last days of Obamaville, Barack granted clemency to Manning. This is the soldier that gave thousands of secrets to wikileaks. He has been in prison. He had self gender realignment surgery to become an ugly womandude. This is a hell of a legacy. What more horse crap will be revealed. Press kept this quiet.
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She
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He
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Good one, dumbass
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Pretty mumped up reno.
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Birthers
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Man I have to say Arab Spring. Nothing says legacy like a few hundred thousand dead.
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8-10 million refugees.
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Good one, dumbass
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I crave attention.
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The most notable news service in the world, Breitbart, is reporting some worshipper who worked in the Obama administration said after Trump was elected that America wanted a cartoon for President. Supposedly Oarrogant said the following ....
Obama mused that perhaps the United States was not ready for his modern presidency,
“Sometimes I wonder whether I was 10 or 20 years too early,” he said to his aides, who reassured him that he could have won a third term as president.
Hogs don't think their crap stinks. They wallow in it.
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The most notable news service in the world, Breitbart, is reporting some worshipper who worked in the Obama administration said after Trump was elected that America wanted a cartoon for President. Supposedly Oarrogant said the following ....
Obama mused that perhaps the United States was not ready for his modern presidency,
“Sometimes I wonder whether I was 10 or 20 years too early,” he said to his aides, who reassured him that he could have won a third term as president.
Hogs don't think their crap stinks. They wallow in it.
Thank God for Humble Don
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As we deal with the legacy of one the worst foreign policy presidents in modern American history, let’s recap:
Asian Pivot (aka China): Unmitigated failure
Russian Reset: Total Failure
African Policy (particularly North Africa): Tragic failure
Middle East (particularly Arab Spring): Horrifically tragic failure.
Central America (particular under SOS Clinton): Total failure that we’re dealing with on our border right now
Europe: Great job of tapping their phones
Grade: F-
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As we deal with the legacy of one the worst foreign policy presidents in modern American history, let’s recap:
Asian Pivot (aka China): Unmitigated failure
Russian Reset: Total Failure
African Policy (particularly North Africa): Tragic failure
Middle East (particularly Arab Spring): Horrifically tragic failure.
Central America (particular under SOS Clinton): Total failure that we’re dealing with on our border right now
Europe: Great job of tapping their phones
Grade: F-
What about North and South America? :crossfingers:
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trumps-chance-to-correct-obamas-mistake-on-venezuela/2017/03/17/8389943a-09aa-11e7-b77c-0047d15a24e0_story.html?utm_term=.47fdbfbce977 (which hasn't been done)
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He was so Cavalier tho.
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I would feel pretty silly if I had ever described O as a stud, I mean that would be like outing myself as a person that has no idea who is or isn’t a stud and could lead to many other questions about my judgement in general. I’m glad I never did that.
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Ol' copy-paste dax smdh
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Bloviate means talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way.
Obama is campaigning today for Democrats, and claimin he is responsible for the good economy.
:dunno:
Barack Obloviate.