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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: bones129 on January 11, 2017, 02:08:58 AM
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Frankly, (no pun intended), BW may or may not have intended to go off and draw a T tonight. But his emotions on the sidelines tell me that he has a control problem in such situations, as evidenced by some of his inexplicable times when, in the last seconds of a game, he calls timeouts and hampers his players from executing what they really need to do. Further, I've seen few coaches who encroach on the floor as much as Weber does, a habit the refs don't like.
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did he finally get the technical for being too far out on the floor that trim's been asking? i really want to believe it was that.
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did he finally get the technical for being too far out on the floor that trim's been asking? i really want to believe it was that.
Had to be, there wasn't anything else that would have warranted a T. He was WAY rough ridin' out on the floor. People are acting like the ref was ridiculous for calling it, but I'm sure if you've spent the last four rough ridin' years telling oscar to get off the goddam court, maybe you just can't take it anymore and you snap? I don't blame the guy one bit.
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did he finally get the technical for being too far out on the floor that trim's been asking? i really want to believe it was that.
Had to be, there wasn't anything else that would have warranted a T. He was WAY rough ridin' out on the floor. People are acting like the ref was ridiculous for calling it, but I'm sure if you've spent the last four rough ridin' years telling oscar to get off the goddam court, maybe you just can't take it anymore and you snap? I don't blame the guy one bit.
Bullshit. I have seen enough of these scenarios up close to be sure that this call isn't made at that point of the game ever.
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did he finally get the technical for being too far out on the floor that trim's been asking? i really want to believe it was that.
Had to be, there wasn't anything else that would have warranted a T. He was WAY rough ridin' out on the floor. People are acting like the ref was ridiculous for calling it, but I'm sure if you've spent the last four rough ridin' years telling oscar to get off the goddam court, maybe you just can't take it anymore and you snap? I don't blame the guy one bit.
Bullshit. I have seen enough of these scenarios up close to be sure that this call isn't made at that point of the game ever.
You're kidding yourself. The first thought I had when oscar got as far out on the court as he did was, "Better back up dude, gonna get a...yep, there it is." It was obvious he was overstepping what's appropriate.
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If they did not call the tech they for sure could have got him for 3 seconds in the lane.
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did he finally get the technical for being too far out on the floor that trim's been asking? i really want to believe it was that.
Had to be, there wasn't anything else that would have warranted a T. He was WAY rough ridin' out on the floor. People are acting like the ref was ridiculous for calling it, but I'm sure if you've spent the last four rough ridin' years telling oscar to get off the goddam court, maybe you just can't take it anymore and you snap? I don't blame the guy one bit.
Bullshit. I have seen enough of these scenarios up close to be sure that this call isn't made at that point of the game ever.
You're kidding yourself. The first thought I had when oscar got as far out on the court as he did was, "Better back up dude, gonna get a...yep, there it is." It was obvious he was overstepping what's appropriate.
I'm not saying he wasn't too far out. I'm saying it's a call that is never made in that scenario unless it interferes with the play. Which it didn't. The "stay in the box" rule is card an official pulls to let the coach know he is done with his badgering bullshit.
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oscar doesn't go farther on the court or more often than most coaches, we just pay more attention to him because he's a complete goofball on the sideline.
It was a horrendous call.
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Yes and Beard was just as far out on the previous score for Tech.
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If they did not call the tech they for sure could have got him for 3 seconds in the lane.
:lol:
he was too far out there and deserved the T, i'm sure he said something too as he appeared slightly upset which equals pissed off in oscar world
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Whether he deserved it or not, I don't know. I can say that I've never seen something similar called at the end of a game like that. The foul call on brown that put them on the line was way worse.
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Closest I remember is Barry Collier throwing a water bottle across the court and getting a T late in what I think was Wooly's third conference road win in 4 seasons or something
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oscar doesn't go farther on the court or more often than most coaches, we just pay more attention to him because he's a complete goofball on the sideline.
It was a horrendous call.
Exactly. The baseline ref was 10 feet away from seeing Brown get hit on the head. Doesn't call crap, But as soon as DJamer tries reaching to take the ball back, he blows his whistle immediately. Then calls the horrendous T. 3 calls/no calls were made within a few seconds, 2 were a joke
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I can't disagree with any of the problems with the officials in the last minute or so. I only got to watch the last 10 minutes of the game, so I missed most of the flops. I do think officiating in general is very inconsistent from game to game, but IMO its been like that since I started watching basketball.
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I missed it last night in all the excitement, but after the T (rip broiler), espn(news?) had cameras iso'd on oscar for at least 2 separate 10-15 second segments. Lot of #coverage there.
SHAME:
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Weber has been coaching for too long to be so bad at working the officials.
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did he finally get the technical for being too far out on the floor that trim's been asking? i really want to believe it was that.
If it was for that, it wasn't of the type I've been calling for. Play was already dead.
And it hasn't even been that I want the refs to call a tech just on the principle of him being out there, I want an opposing player to dribble drive into him when he's on their turf.
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anyone see the postgame handshakes? whoever was behind oscar, must have said/done something, Chris Beard kinda looked back all wtf at whoever it was.
also, Chris Beard reminds me of Jeff Ross for some reason
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Tech coach should have gotten T'd up earlier in the drive. Way more flagrant imo. But oscar fit the bill for a technical there no matter how you slice it, even if you don't think refs should call one in those situations.
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Weber has been coaching for too long to be so bad at working the officials.
What is this based on? Just gut feeling?
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I missed it last night in all the excitement, but after the T (rip broiler), espn(news?) had cameras iso'd on oscar for at least 2 separate 10-15 second segments. Lot of #coverage there.
SHAME:
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Last night was a calvalcade (sp?) of his wide open mouth confused/scared look.
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anyone see the postgame handshakes? whoever was behind oscar, must have said/done something, Chris Beard kinda looked back all wtf at whoever it was.
also, Chris Beard reminds me of Jeff Ross for some reason
It was Brad Korn, I believe. It looked like he was yelling at an official walking off the floor as he was getting in the handshake line.
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anyone see the postgame handshakes? whoever was behind oscar, must have said/done something, Chris Beard kinda looked back all wtf at whoever it was.
also, Chris Beard reminds me of Jeff Ross for some reason
Fat Mark Turgeon, imo.
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I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but color me stunned that people actually think that technical foul was okay to call. I have literally watched thousands of college basketball games throughout my life and I can only recall that happening one other time. Can anyone else think of a time they saw a coach get called for a T in a one possession game with less than a minute left?
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Weber has been coaching for too long to be so bad at working the officials.
What is this based on? Just gut feeling?
Gut feeling/watching games. I would be interested if there was a good way to quantify it though. I just don't think he rides officials often enough.
We've lost two games on fairly egregious mistakes and maybe it was just a coincidence. They could also be an effect of playing on the road but I hardly think a half full United Supermarkets Arena is enough to intimidate the refs. If losing close games on officiating mistakes becomes more of a trend, we should look at what contributes to it. An official willing to call a technical on a coach in the last 6 seconds of a 1 point game alone seems unique enough to warrant a closer look.
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“I don’t know what the technical was called for. I thought that The Flush got fouled, and I raised up my hands. Maybe that was a little out there on the court, but it’s the end of the game. It’s emotional. I don’t cuss. I don’t cuss at the officials. I treat them right. Everyone tells me that I am professional, but I don’t know if that does any good. Maybe I should try the other way.”
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the officials walk on oscar because he lets them. no way that call is made against huggins/martin/self/ or any other coach in the universe
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“I don’t know what the technical was called for. I thought that The Flush got fouled, and I raised up my hands. Maybe that was a little out there on the court, but it’s the end of the game. It’s emotional. I don’t cuss. I don’t cuss at the officials. I treat them right. Everyone tells me that I am professional, but I don’t know if that does any good. Maybe I should try the other way.”
That's a great quote, good for him.
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“I don’t know what the technical was called for. I thought that The Flush got fouled, and I raised up my hands. Maybe that was a little out there on the court, but it’s the end of the game. It’s emotional. I don’t cuss. I don’t cuss at the officials. I treat them right. Everyone tells me that I am professional, but I don’t know if that does any good. Maybe I should try the other way.”
That's a great quote, good for him.
Agreed.
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the officials walk on oscar because he lets them. no way that call is made against huggins/martin/self/ or any other coach in the universe
What a dumb statement to make. That call isn't made ever not because of the coach but because it's a dumb call at that juncture of the game. Period.
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"Everyone tells me that I am professional..."
That statement alone should tell anyone all you need to know about oscar Weber.
Can you imagine Self, Frank, or Huggins - hell ANY other P5-quality coach make that statement?
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"great personality"
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"Everyone tells me that I am professional..."
That statement alone should tell anyone all you need to know about oscar Weber.
Can you imagine Self, Frank, or Huggins - hell ANY other P5-quality coach make that statement?
Yes, because it's probably true.
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This would have been a mute point if the RedTick Raiders had.stole the ball. Who was handling the.ball when it was.stolen.with less than a minute? Was the right person handling the ball? It.seems like we missed a.lot of free throws, misses that came back to haunt.
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Yes, because it's probably true.
If it were true, he wouldn't have made that statement. The self-doubt eating at oscar Weber is staggering for a coach in his position.
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Yes, because it's probably true.
If it were true, he wouldn't have made that statement. The self-doubt eating at oscar Weber is staggering for a coach in his position.
What does one have to do with another? Anyone that thinks riding the officials = getting calls is ridiculous.
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What does one have to do with another? Anyone that thinks riding the officials = getting calls is ridiculous.
Have you ever heard of the phrase, "working the officials?" It is something good coaches do.
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I think "working the officials" is only effective up to a certain point. Once that is crossed, I would say it can become detrimental and result in "eff that guy" calls.
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With that being said, I think coaches still need to show their displeasure with bullshit calls.
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also, Chris Beard reminds me of Jeff Ross for some reason
probably because both are hideous looking
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What does one have to do with another? Anyone that thinks riding the officials = getting calls is ridiculous.
Have you ever heard of the phrase, "working the officials?" It is something good all coaches do. Some just aren't as demonstrative and make a public scene so as to garner all attention upon themselves.
Fixed it for you.
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Have you ever heard of the phrase, "working the officials?" It is something good all coaches do. Some just aren't as demonstrative and make a public scene so as to garner all attention upon themselves.
Fixed it for you.
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oscar is too stupid to know how to work an official.
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That gif has to go on some kind of monument to oscar's tenure here.
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you never see a t called at that time of the game, so i understand the kstate fans negative reaction, but if the refs had warned him about it earlier and it was called for being on the court, i definitely support them calling it. wish they'd call these rough ridin' creeper coaches more (ever).
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the officials walk on oscar because he lets them. no way that call is made against huggins/martin/self/ or any other coach in the universe
What a dumb statement to make. That call isn't made ever not because of the coach but because it's a dumb call at that juncture of the game. Period.
i wasn't speaking in context of that call alone :rolleyes:
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the officials walk on oscar because he lets them. no way that call is made against huggins/martin/self/ or any other coach in the universe
What a dumb statement to make. That call isn't made ever not because of the coach but because it's a dumb call at that juncture of the game. Period.
and it's not a dumb call. it's the right call. you might not agree with it but igaf. the dude lounges around the court during game play like he's shopping for papayas at hy-vee.
if anything, the call is long overdue.
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1/3/17: It doesn't matter that it's the end of the game, that's a blatant violation of the rules of basketball!
1/10/17: It doesn't matter that it was a blatant violation of the rules of basketball, you don't make that call at the end of the game!
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“I don’t know what the technical was called for. I thought that The Flush got fouled, and I raised up my hands. Maybe that was a little out there on the court, but it’s the end of the game. It’s emotional. I don’t cuss. I don’t cuss at the officials. I treat them right. Everyone tells me that I am professional, but I don’t know if that does any good. Maybe I should try the other way.”
That's a great quote, good for him.
Agreed.
Huggins is an absolute bully, I hope this breaks oscar. It is one of his weakness.
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the officials walk on oscar because he lets them. no way that call is made against huggins/martin/self/ or any other coach in the universe
What a dumb statement to make. That call isn't made ever not because of the coach but because it's a dumb call at that juncture of the game. Period.
i wasn't speaking in context of that call alone :rolleyes:
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1/3/17: It doesn't matter that it's the end of the game, that's a blatant violation of the rules of basketball!
1/10/17: It doesn't matter that it was a blatant violation of the rules of basketball, you don't make that call at the end of the game!
haha, nice
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1/3/17: It doesn't matter that it's the end of the game, that's a blatant violation of the rules of basketball!
1/10/17: It doesn't matter that it was a blatant violation of the rules of basketball, you don't make that call at the end of the game!
well that just about finishes up this thread
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1/3/17: It doesn't matter that it's the end of the game, that's a blatant violation of the rules of basketball!
1/10/17: It doesn't matter that it was a blatant violation of the rules of basketball, you don't make that call at the end of the game!
I'd be interested to know what blatant rule oscar violated and what the rule states the penalty for the violation is supposed to be. This shouldn't be difficult for a documented genius.
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Things have really been tense between MIR and Spracne ever since Spracne accused MIR of not having any friends that are public defenders
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I'd be interested to know what blatant rule oscar violated and what the rule states the penalty for the violation is supposed to be. This shouldn't be difficult for a documented genius.
coach outside the coaching box. technical foul.
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I'd be interested to know what blatant rule oscar violated and what the rule states the penalty for the violation is supposed to be. This shouldn't be difficult for a documented genius.
coach outside the coaching box. technical foul.
Where's Beard's then? Check the 21 second mark until the 26 second mark. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=400916208
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Pause it at 22. He's practically blocking the official on the way down.
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they should call it much more. if they did, it would stop in about 3 days and they'd never have to call it again.
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they should call it much more. if they did, it would stop in about 3 days and they'd never have to call it again.
Agreed, this chicanery must finally stop and then maybe we can finally get back to playing basketball the way Lambert Will intended.
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Things have really been tense between MIR and Spracne ever since Spracne accused MIR of not having any friends that are public defenders
lol
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I'd be interested to know what blatant rule oscar violated and what the rule states the penalty for the violation is supposed to be. This shouldn't be difficult for a documented genius.
coach outside the coaching box. technical foul.
Not an automatic technical foul
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most fouls aren't.
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most fouls aren't.
Yeah, agreed but by rule every time a ball handler takes four steps it is a traveling violation punishable by immediate loss of possession; the point I was making to the genius in regard to his brilliant foolproof post.
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I thought Oscar said something to the officials that hacked them off. In my mind, I was imagining a Ned Flanders swear in Oscar's squeaky voice. It made sense after I looked at it that way.
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Yeah, agreed but by rule every time a ball handler takes four steps it is a traveling violation punishable by immediate loss of possession; the point I was making to the genius in regard to his brilliant foolproof post.
yeah, it's a completely different situation. his wording was cleverly done, though.
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Yeah, agreed but by rule every time a ball handler takes four steps it is a traveling violation punishable by immediate loss of possession; the point I was making to the genius in regard to his brilliant foolproof post.
yeah, it's a completely different situation. his wording was cleverly done, though.
which is what made it a good post, but some people don't appreciate that and need to be right about these serious subjects
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I go to a few WSU games and watched them play Loyola last night. Watching Marshall coach is a treat, because he knows how to coach but he also works the officials so well, he'll plead and bitch and chew and then when he knows they've had enough he'll go out on the court at a timeout and schmooz them up with his hand on their shoulder.
oscar on the other hand couldn't schmooz a stump broke heifer, he just yells or gives them that stupid mouth breathing look and it gets old. I don't blame the official one bit for T'ing him up for being at the free throw line.
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Spracne made a great post.
I'd be interested to know what blatant rule oscar violated and what the rule states the penalty for the violation is supposed to be. This shouldn't be difficult for a documented genius.
coach outside the coaching box. technical foul.
This post made me think of that shitty, animated Adam Sandler movie.
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oscar on the other hand couldn't schmooz a stump broke heifer
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I go to a few WSU games and watched them play Loyola last night. Watching Marshall coach is a treat, because he knows how to coach but he also works the officials so well, he'll plead and bitch and chew and then when he knows they've had enough he'll go out on the court at a timeout and schmooz them up with his hand on their shoulder.
oscar on the other hand couldn't schmooz a stump broke heifer, he just yells or gives them that stupid mouth breathing look and it gets old. I don't blame the official one bit for T'ing him up for being at the free throw line.
What in the world? :lol:
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I go to a few WSU games and watched them play Loyola last night. Watching Marshall coach is a treat, because he knows how to coach but he also works the officials so well, he'll plead and bitch and chew and then when he knows they've had enough he'll go out on the court at a timeout and schmooz them up with his hand on their shoulder.
oscar on the other hand couldn't schmooz a stump broke heifer, he just yells or gives them that stupid mouth breathing look and it gets old. I don't blame the official one bit for T'ing him up for being at the free throw line.
What in the world? :lol:
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I go to a few WSU games and watched them play Loyola last night. Watching Marshall coach is a treat, because he knows how to coach but he also works the officials so well, he'll plead and bitch and chew and then when he knows they've had enough he'll go out on the court at a timeout and schmooz them up with his hand on their shoulder.
oscar on the other hand couldn't schmooz a stump broke heifer, he just yells or gives them that stupid mouth breathing look and it gets old. I don't blame the official one bit for T'ing him up for being at the free throw line.
What in the world? :lol:
I'm sure you get the picture, oscar's girl friend of another species :bs:
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“I don’t know what the technical was called for. I thought that The Flush got fouled, and I raised up my hands. Maybe that was a little out there on the court, but it’s the end of the game. It’s emotional. I don’t cuss. I don’t cuss at the officials. I treat them right. Everyone tells me that I am professional, but I don’t know if that does any good. Maybe I should try the other way.”
oscar Weber is....THE RENEGADE
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I think it's pretty clear from here that it wasn't called bacuse of floor position. It was called on a dead ball, well after the play. Could they have called it for "obstructing" the official along the sideleine? If so, THAT official should be the one to call it.
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18448980
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1/3/17: It doesn't matter that it's the end of the game, that's a blatant violation of the rules of basketball!
1/10/17: It doesn't matter that it was a blatant violation of the rules of basketball, you don't make that call at the end of the game!
Lord help us if we ever complain about refs not calling a rough ridin' technical foul to help us out at the end.
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18515785/new-york-knicks-courtney-lee-says-wizards-assistant-sidney-lowe-impacted-decision-not-take-final-shot
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anyone see the postgame handshakes? whoever was behind oscar, must have said/done something, Chris Beard kinda looked back all wtf at whoever it was.
also, Chris Beard reminds me of Jeff Ross for some reason
It was Drew Speraw, Director of Basketball Operations. He gets extremely animated during the Technical Foul also. He says something to Heard at the handshake commenting about the end of the game.
Damn! He trippin' so hard fans are gonna think he done fell off!