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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 03, 2017, 10:35:15 PM
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Clearly the officials blew this game on one of the more egregious missed calls in recorded history. Will the conference step in and make this right? Will pundits step in and opine that the win should be vacated? Honest men know who really won that game.
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#walkchalk isn't that big a deal, bad both ways. Lets get KU more conference titles.
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IMHO, those ref guys should be investigated for point shaving. Every time kstate cut it close or took the lead, BOOM phantom call on kstate and/or egregious no call on ku.
I appreciate that our players were just laughing at the absurdity of the officiating throughout the game. They played really poised.
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we won this game as far as i'm concerned. i'm not sure what our record is but subtract one loss and add one win
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Kind of hard to win a game that was tied.
Issue a statement? Sure, why not, not going to matter anyways.
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Clearly the officials blew this game on one of the more egregious missed calls in recorded history. Will the conference step in and make this right? Will pundits step in and opine that the win should be vacated? Honest men know who really won that game.
Issue a statement for standard operating procedure?
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I'll issue a statement: scotch
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The Big 12 issues masterful statements acknowledging the inequities that take place during its games, and I think a statement ought to be forthcoming.
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We are sorry, but you are screwed. #big12ocularimpairedchickenlovingrefs
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The Big 12 issues masterful statements acknowledging the inequities that take place during its games, and I think a statement ought to be forthcoming.
This happens all of the time, we're just never close enough to be victimized.
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Holy crap!
https://twitter.com/SportsRadio810/status/816503134185000960
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mods, please lock
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Judgment Call, pfffffffffft :ROFL:
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Holy crap!
https://twitter.com/SportsRadio810/status/816503134185000960
Well, they just did.
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Making calls in "fast motion" is hard #big12refs
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Will we get makeup win in 'hattan?
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"That is a judgment call that in fast motion it is very hard to tell if he ended dribble with a foot on floor and went step step or if both feet were in air when ended dribble so it is legal to go step step. Tough play to call either way."
What is, "step step?"
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We probably weren't gonna win in OT, but come on refs, you can't let KU run a read option with zone blocking for the game winner.
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Would have went to overtime without our best player. Take the 2 point L and call it a moral victory #oscar
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That non-statement statement is amazeballs on so many levels. :love:
Officiating source: Big 12 doesn't plan on making a statement on Kansas Svi Mykhialuk's game-winning basket against Kansas State Tuesday at Phog Allen in Lawrence because it was a judgment call. Said the source, "That is a judgment call that in fast motion it is very hard to tell if he ended dribble with a foot on floor and went step step or if both feet were in air when ended dribble so it is legal to go step step. Tough play to call either way."
Clearly the non-statement statement maker, who has some authority of the officials, watched the video. Rather than just say no comment, he takes an indefensible and patently absurd position regarding one of the oldest rules in basketball. He's either an ignorant moron or actually believes what he said, which is horrifying, but in either case he likely remains in charge of officials. :lol:
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The last dribble was near mid court.
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The last dribble was near mid court.
BUT it wasn't clear if both his feet were in the air! Judgment call.
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With as big and fast as these players are, it's tough to make any call. It's a wonder they were able to see all the touch fouls on Johnson to foul him out.
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Well, you knew something was up when Self called for a zone blocking scheme in the huddle.
BTW ESPN just slow mo'd and counted, confirmed at 4 steps.
Bitch about the defense, but how do you defend a guy allowed to literally run to the basket from mid court?
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Would have went to overtime without our best player. Take the 2 point L and call it a moral victory #oscar
Our best player this game was on the floor, he missed a three to win the game. DJamer didn't play much anyway.
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Would have went to overtime without our best player. Take the 2 point L and call it a moral victory #oscar
Our best player this game was on the floor, he missed a three to win the game. DJamer didn't play much anyway.
He's not our best player, but we should go ahead and blame this L on white people huh you racist eff
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Clearly the non-statement statement maker, who has some authority of the officials, watched the video. Rather than just say no comment, he takes an indefensible and patently absurd position regarding one of the oldest original rules of basketball.
:eek:
https://twitter.com/JayHeidrick/status/816511766297460736
:ROFL:
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From the Big-12 non-statement statement, I note no one is to be accountable for performing at an acceptable level and the conference's lost credibility. Sweet.
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Would have went to overtime without our best player. Take the 2 point L and call it a moral victory #oscar
Our best player this game was on the floor, he missed a three to win the game. DJamer didn't play much anyway.
He's not our best player, but we should go ahead and blame this L on white people huh you racist eff
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Watch the replay. Should have been Cats ball side out of bounds with 2.2 seconds to play. OT is not assured.
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how do you defend a guy allowed to literally run to the basket from mid court?
you could get in his way a little.
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how do you defend a guy allowed to literally run to the basket from mid court?
you could get in his way a little.
They did, don't be a dumbass, as usual, sys
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not until he was 6 feet from the basket.
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not until he was 6 feet from the basket.
yeah, what on earth was The Flush doing?
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We missed an open 3 and can't play help d on a guy striking to the basket when tied with 5sec on the clock. The very definition of not taking care of biz. It's hard to be wrapped up in calls on this one, imo.
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Wes bobbling that offensive board hurt way worse to me than the missed 3. I know that's a tough board with the angle it came at and his position, but it was right there. :bawl:
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well obviously it was a huge win for ku
the way everyone rushed the floor you would have thought they won the national championship for once
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I can't complain about the last sequence defensively that much. We forced the ball away from KU's best guards to a poor ball handler and he made a mistake, it just didn't get called. Granted, he caught the ball going hard toward the basket, but if any of our players get too close/make contact its going to be a foul. Wes got caught helping toward Mason (which was the right thing to do), but still made a play at the ball 40 feet from the basket and the guy picked up his dribble and took 4 steps.
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Would have went to overtime without our best player. Take the 2 point L and call it a moral victory #oscar
Our best player this game was on the floor, he missed a three to win the game. DJamer didn't play much anyway.
Not saying DJamer is our best player, but I think even the refs noticed that he was unstoppable by the KU defense. He was calling for the ball every time down. When they fed him he delivered. Despite VERY limited minutes due to fouls, he had 10 points. If DJamer would've had a foul to give when he fouled out, and IF we feed him the ball at the end, we win.
Of course, if Ifs and Buts were candy and nuts . . .
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I can't complain about the last sequence defensively that much. We forced the ball away from KU's best guards to a poor ball handler and he made a mistake, it just didn't get called. Granted, he caught the ball going hard toward the basket, but if any of our players get too close/make contact its going to be a foul. Wes got caught helping toward Mason (which was the right thing to do), but still made a play at the ball 40 feet from the basket and the guy picked up his dribble and took 4 steps.
Unless oscar was counting on a steal on the inbounds (which he very well may have been doing) it was pretty poor. Any poor ball handler at that level can get the ball up the court and finish pretty quickly with basically no pressure on them.
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I can't complain about the last sequence defensively that much. We forced the ball away from KU's best guards to a poor ball handler and he made a mistake, it just didn't get called. Granted, he caught the ball going hard toward the basket, but if any of our players get too close/make contact its going to be a foul. Wes got caught helping toward Mason (which was the right thing to do), but still made a play at the ball 40 feet from the basket and the guy picked up his dribble and took 4 steps.
Yes, the way the refs were calling the last few minutes we could not have gotten in front of him without getting a foul call. We made the last 10 seconds into a 50/50 chance of winning in the toughest road environment we're going to play in all year. Any other team in the top 10 would have been happy to be in our position.
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I can't complain about the last sequence defensively that much. We forced the ball away from KU's best guards to a poor ball handler and he made a mistake, it just didn't get called. Granted, he caught the ball going hard toward the basket, but if any of our players get too close/make contact its going to be a foul. Wes got caught helping toward Mason (which was the right thing to do), but still made a play at the ball 40 feet from the basket and the guy picked up his dribble and took 4 steps.
Unless oscar was counting on a steal on the inbounds (which he very well may have been doing) it was pretty poor. Any poor ball handler at that level can get the ball up the court and finish pretty quickly with basically no pressure on them.
I think he rolled the dice on making someone other than Mason or Jackson beat us and it didn't work. (sort of)
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In one sense, the strategy worked perfectly. An inferior ball handler turned over the ball. It just wasn't called.
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In one sense, the strategy worked perfectly. An inferior ball handler turned over the ball. It just wasn't called.
Allegedly
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I can't complain about the last sequence defensively that much. We forced the ball away from KU's best guards to a poor ball handler and he made a mistake, it just didn't get called. Granted, he caught the ball going hard toward the basket, but if any of our players get too close/make contact its going to be a foul. Wes got caught helping toward Mason (which was the right thing to do), but still made a play at the ball 40 feet from the basket and the guy picked up his dribble and took 4 steps.
I don't think it's a given a foul would have been called. It's practically tradition to "let them play" on these last second shots/possessions.
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I can't complain about the last sequence defensively that much. We forced the ball away from KU's best guards to a poor ball handler and he made a mistake, it just didn't get called. Granted, he caught the ball going hard toward the basket, but if any of our players get too close/make contact its going to be a foul. Wes got caught helping toward Mason (which was the right thing to do), but still made a play at the ball 40 feet from the basket and the guy picked up his dribble and took 4 steps.
I don't think it's a given a foul would have been called. It's practically tradition to "let them play" on these last second shots/possessions.
Yeah, but at AFH a foul absolutely would have been called.
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it's a bigger issue than the last play of the game. big 12 refs suck ass and their shittyness was on display last night for the entire game.
we got like 3 calls in a row sometime in the mid-2nd half. then they called 3-4 make up calls for ku to shut the crowd up. it was so evident and stupid.
reffing a game isn't easy and should be left to professionals, which these applefuckers certainly were not
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it's a bigger issue than the last play of the game. big 12 refs suck ass and their shittyness was on display last night for the entire game.
we got like 3 calls in a row sometime in the mid-2nd half. then they called 3-4 make up calls for ku to shut the crowd up. it was so evident and stupid.
reffing a game isn't easy and should be left to professionals, which these applefuckers certainly were not
I certainly got this sense watching the game. It was as if they felt they had to call 25 fouls each half and were just trying to divide them up somewhat evenly.
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I can't complain about the last sequence defensively that much. We forced the ball away from KU's best guards to a poor ball handler and he made a mistake, it just didn't get called. Granted, he caught the ball going hard toward the basket, but if any of our players get too close/make contact its going to be a foul. Wes got caught helping toward Mason (which was the right thing to do), but still made a play at the ball 40 feet from the basket and the guy picked up his dribble and took 4 steps.
I don't think it's a given a foul would have been called. It's practically tradition to "let them play" on these last second shots/possessions.
Yeah, but at AFH a foul absolutely would have been called.
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Im not so sure.
http://www.encyclonepedia.com/?p=1721
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it's a bigger issue than the last play of the game. big 12 refs suck ass and their shittyness was on display last night for the entire game.
we got like 3 calls in a row sometime in the mid-2nd half. then they called 3-4 make up calls for ku to shut the crowd up. it was so evident and stupid.
reffing a game isn't easy and should be left to professionals, which these applefuckers certainly were not
Dead on, they were in over their heads. People get on Higgins but he has one of the best crews in the country, the moment is never too big for them. They were in Lubbock last night.
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it's a bigger issue than the last play of the game. big 12 refs suck ass and their shittyness was on display last night for the entire game.
we got like 3 calls in a row sometime in the mid-2nd half. then they called 3-4 make up calls for ku to shut the crowd up. it was so evident and stupid.
reffing a game isn't easy and should be left to professionals, which these applefuckers certainly were not
Wade's last foul on Lucas was a great example of this.
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DJamer had no idea he had 5 fouls when that last call was made. I was shocked -- tend to blame that on coaching.
Boog and Fran kept saying the refs were "getting control" of the game when they went on their asinine foul calling spree in the 2nd half. I didn't think the game ever really got out of control.
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DJamer had no idea he had 5 fouls when that last call was made. I was shocked -- tend to blame that on coaching.
What the hell are you talking about, that isn't true at all?
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Jesus Clevey! :facepalm:
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it's a bigger issue than the last play of the game. big 12 refs suck ass and their shittyness was on display last night for the entire game.
we got like 3 calls in a row sometime in the mid-2nd half. then they called 3-4 make up calls for ku to shut the crowd up. it was so evident and stupid.
reffing a game isn't easy and should be left to professionals, which these applefuckers certainly were not
Dead on, they were in over their heads. People get on Higgins but he has one of the best crews in the country, the moment is never too big for them. They were in Lubbock last night.
What make Higgins great sometime also makes him falter. He won't get bullied. I think the officials had two stretches last night were the wilted about and had streaks of bad calls.
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DJamer had no idea he had 5 fouls when that last call was made. I was shocked -- tend to blame that on coaching.
What the hell are you talking about, that isn't true at all?
Someone go back and look. Fairly certain he was standing in the paint as guys were lining up for free throw and mouthed "I've got 5?!?!" with a surprised look on his face.
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it's a bigger issue than the last play of the game. big 12 refs suck ass and their shittyness was on display last night for the entire game.
we got like 3 calls in a row sometime in the mid-2nd half. then they called 3-4 make up calls for ku to shut the crowd up. it was so evident and stupid.
reffing a game isn't easy and should be left to professionals, which these applefuckers certainly were not
I was in the car stuck listening to the KU broadcast (satellite radio) during the shot-clock violation/foul on KU review and Gurley actually said, "They better give the ball to KU or this place is going to explode." They really believe they are that entitled to officials' calls.
Side note: New play by play guy is meh. Gurley is awful.
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DJamer had no idea he had 5 fouls when that last call was made. I was shocked -- tend to blame that on coaching.
What the hell are you talking about, that isn't true at all?
Someone go back and look. Fairly certain he was standing in the paint as guys were lining up for free throw and mouthed "I've got 5?!?!" with a surprised look on his face.
That wasn't shock that he had 5 fouls. That was shock that they fouled him out for playing defense. He knew what number he was on that is why he immediately dropped to that squat praying position and started laughing at the absurdity of the call.
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DJamer had no idea he had 5 fouls when that last call was made. I was shocked -- tend to blame that on coaching.
What the hell are you talking about, that isn't true at all?
Someone go back and look. Fairly certain he was standing in the paint as guys were lining up for free throw and mouthed "I've got 5?!?!" with a surprised look on his face.
He did. But I think it was more of an act than genuine unawareness.
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If you really think DJamer didn't know how many fouls he had, I'm not sure what to think...
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DJamer had no idea he had 5 fouls when that last call was made. I was shocked -- tend to blame that on coaching.
What the hell are you talking about, that isn't true at all?
Someone go back and look. Fairly certain he was standing in the paint as guys were lining up for free throw and mouthed "I've got 5?!?!" with a surprised look on his face.
He did. But I think it was more of an act than genuine unawareness.
It was a high stress/anxiety moment in my life, must've misread the situation after pounding on the floor in front of me.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't know. He was definitely trying to stay on the court like he didn't know and looked genuinely surprised when told he had 5 and clearly said "I've got five??!??!?".
Regardless, it isn't a big deal. He wasn't playing overly aggressive or anything.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't know. He was definitely trying to stay on the court like he didn't know and looked genuinely surprised when told he had 5 and clearly said "I've got five??!??!?".
Regardless, it isn't a big deal. He wasn't playing overly aggressive or anything.
The 4-foul player ALWAYS feigns ignorance at getting the 5th. It has never worked, and I have played at various non-distinctive levels for 27 years. But I would try it again tomorrow.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't know. He was definitely trying to stay on the court like he didn't know and looked genuinely surprised when told he had 5 and clearly said "I've got five??!??!?".
Regardless, it isn't a big deal. He wasn't playing overly aggressive or anything.
The 4-foul player ALWAYS feigns ignorance at getting the 5th. It has never worked, and I have played at various non-distinctive levels for 27 years. But I would try it again tomorrow.
Yeah this wasn't the first time I saw a player foul out and it was definitely different from any other time I've seen a player act surprised when they picked up their fifth.
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DJamer had no idea he had 5 fouls when that last call was made. I was shocked -- tend to blame that on coaching.
What the hell are you talking about, that isn't true at all?
Someone go back and look. Fairly certain he was standing in the paint as guys were lining up for free throw and mouthed "I've got 5?!?!" with a surprised look on his face.
He did.
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Once again you can bitch about the defense at the end, but.
If SviMongoloid shuffles his feet a little, if he takes an extra step in traffic, if he pushes off, we bitch and moan a little and move on. But the dude ran down the middle of the court like a rough ridin' 4 year old playing their first midget league bball game on 6 foot goals.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't know. He was definitely trying to stay on the court like he didn't know and looked genuinely surprised when told he had 5 and clearly said "I've got five??!??!?".
Regardless, it isn't a big deal. He wasn't playing overly aggressive or anything.
The 4-foul player ALWAYS feigns ignorance at getting the 5th. It has never worked, and I have played at various non-distinctive levels for 27 years. But I would try it again tomorrow.
I remember watching a KU player keep playing after getting his 5th foul in Ames.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't know. He was definitely trying to stay on the court like he didn't know and looked genuinely surprised when told he had 5 and clearly said "I've got five??!??!?".
Regardless, it isn't a big deal. He wasn't playing overly aggressive or anything.
The 4-foul player ALWAYS feigns ignorance at getting the 5th. It has never worked, and I have played at various non-distinctive levels for 27 years. But I would try it again tomorrow.
Yeah this wasn't the first time I saw a player foul out and it was definitely different from any other time I've seen a player act surprised when they picked up their fifth.
I agree with cRustycat, I also don't think it really matters.
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Once again you can bitch about the defense at the end, but.
If SviMongoloid shuffles his feet a little, if he takes an extra step in traffic, if he pushes off, we bitch and moan a little and move on. But the dude ran down the middle of the court like a rough ridin' 4 year old playing their first midget league bball game on 6 foot goals.
I was very reminiscent of lil' 'cats slam jam.
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If you really think DJamer didn't know how many fouls he had, I'm not sure what to think...
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The great thing about bball in 2017, is all you have to do is look up at the scoreboard and "BAM!!!"---It shows how many fouls you have. Dude sat most of the 1st half. He knew. His defense was pretty passive aggressive too in the 2nd half until he knew he had a clean look at a block. He was playing dumb if he really asked. Either way, that doesn't fall on the coach if he blacked out and forgot.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't know. He was definitely trying to stay on the court like he didn't know and looked genuinely surprised when told he had 5 and clearly said "I've got five??!??!?".
Regardless, it isn't a big deal. He wasn't playing overly aggressive or anything.
The 4-foul player ALWAYS feigns ignorance at getting the 5th. It has never worked, and I have played at various non-distinctive levels for 27 years. But I would try it again tomorrow.
Yeah this wasn't the first time I saw a player foul out and it was definitely different from any other time I've seen a player act surprised when they picked up their fifth.
I agree with cRustycat, I also don't think it really matters.
We agree on two things! :cheers:
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Guys, he rough ridin' knew he fouled out. He had just sat on the bench for 20 minutes with 4.
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Guys, he rough ridin' knew he fouled out. He had just sat on the bench for 20 minutes with 4.
my God
i mean, really? the question he had was who the foul was called on, not how many fouls he had. how much paste did you kids actually eat as children?
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This is a legit controversy. I'd really like to see a frame by frame breakdown of the game tape.
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It's pretty straight forward folks. 4 fouls - you're eligible to continue participating in the sports match. 5 fouls - you're disqualified. If you have any doubts just remember the old adage: "4s legit, 5 you sit". If DJamer didn't realize the consequences of picking up his 5th (disqualifying) foul, then that's just as much a failure in his part for not being aware of the rules but I have to place some responsibility on the coaches for not bringing it to DJs attention after he picked up his 4th.
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Wait, are their actually people who believe our coaches don't tell the players how many fouls they have? Like seriously and really believe this?
I mean I get making fun of oscar and his staff, but this is getting ridiculous. My goodness, you have got to be kidding me. I sincerely hope this is just normal gE trolling.
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I heard that oscar thought they changed the rule to 6 fouls in Allen to help prepare the ku players for the NBA
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someone post the video.
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I heard that oscar thought they changed the rule to 6 fouls in Allen to help prepare the ku players for the NBA
That would explain the travel thing too.
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I cannot believe ptolemy's ridiculous post has hijacked this thread.
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someone post the video.
https://youtu.be/G7dpupNjhtI?t=4462
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I think DJamer just forgot in the moment that was his fifth. No conspiracy _fan. Stuff like that happens sometime.
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"that's five? Oh damn, that's five" heads straight to bench
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Did everyone catch the dude in black?
https://youtu.be/G7dpupNjhtI?t=01h23m09s
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johnson is obviously guilty as sin. cleveland, on behalf of goEMAW.com, i would like to offer you an official apology for doubting your observations. tobias, in particular, was instrumental in clearing your good name.
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Wait, are their actually people who believe our coaches don't tell the players how many fouls they have? Like seriously and really believe this?
I mean I get making fun of oscar and his staff, but this is getting ridiculous. My goodness, you have got to be kidding me. I sincerely hope this is just normal gE trolling.
Not trying to gE here, but why does it even matter in that moment? You sit DJamer until the end specifically so he can play in that moment. I sure as hell hope oscar did not tell him to play hesitant in the last 30 seconds. We were not looking to foul to stop the clock at that point.
I'm definitely in the camp that DJamer was purposely dragging it out to make the refs explain the BS call. After he did his "oh, really?" thing, he immediately sat down to avoid getting T-ed up.
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Still a controversy!
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I think he was being sarcastic and kind of mocking the ref. Like he was already mad at the ref for calling the foul and then the ref comes over and says "that's 5" and he was like "OH REALLY THAT'S 5? THANKS!" and then headed to the bench.
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johnson is obviously guilty as sin. cleveland, on behalf of goEMAW.com, i would like to offer you an official apology for doubting your
I will as well. The evidence from the video is damning.
Not trying to gE here, but why does it even matter in that moment? You sit DJamer until the end specifically so he can play in that moment. I sure as hell hope oscar did not tell him to play hesitant in the last 30 seconds. We were not looking to foul to stop the clock at that point.
I'm definitely in the camp that DJamer was purposely dragging it out to make the refs explain the BS call. After he did his "oh, really?" thing, he immediately sat down to avoid getting T-ed up.
I don't think we disagree.
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CASE CLOSED!!!!
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Well I still think I'm right.
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Well I still think I'm right.
Probably.
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Yeah and I still think blaming that on the coaches is weak.
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Even if he didn't know he had five fouls, which is absolutely absurd but whatever; to blame that on the coaches is laughable, what the hell did he think he sat nearly the entire second half for?
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no one but cleve blames the coaches or thinks it's a big deal
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Fortunately for the players, all their stats are pasted across an enormous digital cube 70' above their head. Some people refer to this large item as a "score board."
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I just hope the walk doesn't cost Oscar his second conference title.
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_33 nailed it on the head with a hammer
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Will we get makeup win in 'hattan?
IS THIS A REAL QUESTION? ThIS team knows that they were cheated of a chance in OT. We will win without a doubt.
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Did everyone catch the dude in black?
https://youtu.be/G7dpupNjhtI?t=01h23m09s
Bossi thought it was Rudy Gay at first.
https://twitter.com/ebosshoops/status/816499765483606017
https://twitter.com/ebosshoops/status/816499943766720513
https://twitter.com/ebosshoops/status/816500045637885952
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Will DJamer Issue a Statement
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First time I saw the replay of this since live action Tuesday night...seeing it again makes me think DJamer was trying to play the ref a bit rather than not knowing he had 5, but only he knows.
For whatever reason, maybe it was simply the foul trouble, DJamer did seem out of sorts most of the night. Have to think he should own OU. Hoping we run the offense through him and Dean more often on Saturday. Got to get Dean going again soon so he doesn't perform the disappearing act that weak minded, young guys can do after missing important shots like the one in AFH.
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Will we get makeup win in 'hattan?
IS THIS A REAL QUESTION? ThIS team knows that they were cheated of a chance in OT. We will win without a doubt.
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We'll beat them by 20.
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it's a bigger issue than the last play of the game. big 12 refs suck ass and their shittyness was on display last night for the entire game.
we got like 3 calls in a row sometime in the mid-2nd half. then they called 3-4 make up calls for ku to shut the crowd up. it was so evident and stupid.
reffing a game isn't easy and should be left to professionals, which these applefuckers certainly were not
Wade's last foul on Lucas was a great example of this.
Or how about the call on Wes's 4th. Not only did JJ jump into Wes and the contact was incidental, lucas had been camping out in the lane for at least an 8 count while that play was developing.
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That Lucas guy isn't even a basketball player, he's a rough ridin' minor league hockey goon. His entire purpose is to shove and push people and foul on defense, and on offense stand two feet from the basket or set an egregiously illegal high ball screen.