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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: kso_FAN on December 07, 2016, 12:20:28 AM
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If we are going to play such a terrible team I suppose its good that a) Wade had a really good game and b) we continued to shoot it well.
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Santie Claws! He sees them when they are sleeping. He knows when they being bad. So he claws the other guys really bad. You better cry and you should weep cause Claws is going to make you die and bury you deep.
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The guards have done a very good job with finding seams tp get into to create wide open 3s, its fun to see.
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We started a little sluggish on offense, 5-13 FGs with 5 TOs in 19 Poss.
But at one point, we scored on 12 straight and 17 of 19 Possessions. We hit 8 3s in the run.
I can't recall in the past 11 years, that we ever scored on 12 straight Poss.
We weren't real great defensively the 1st half (mainly the final 8:00 of the half). 2nd half was pretty good, especially when 1 of their makes was a 30 foot shot as the shot clock was getting ready to expire.
FT shooting wasn't good again. Going 13-23 meant little in this game, but it will mean something when B12 play gets here.
DJamer the last 3 games and Dean the past 2 games.... Their play getting me a little excited.
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Finally we get the b2w action we have all desperately been looking for
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The guards have done a very good job with finding seams tp get into to create wide open 3s, its fun to see.
It has been very fun to watch. It will be interesting to see if we have the capability of doing that against league competition.
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pv a&m's coach was good. they held the ball every possession of the 1st and kept it close.
our turnovers are going to be a big problem for us.
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pv a&m's coach was good. they held the ball every possession of the 1st and kept it close.
our turnovers are going to be a big problem for us.
PVAM defense actually looked pretty good 1st half. 'Cats looked half-asleep 1st half. Those 2 factors kept if pretty close at first.
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pv a&m's coach was good. they held the ball every possession of the 1st and kept it close.
our turnovers are going to be a big problem for us.
PVAM defense actually looked pretty good 1st half. 'Cats looked half-asleep 1st half. Those 2 factors kept if pretty close at first.
yes, the 2-3 zone and holding the ball slowed the game way down.
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pv a&m's coach was good. they held the ball every possession of the 1st and kept it close.
our turnovers are going to be a big problem for us.
PVAM defense actually looked pretty good 1st half. 'Cats looked half-asleep 1st half. Those 2 factors kept if pretty close at first.
yes, the 2-3 zone and holding the ball slowed the game way down.
Its a good move. 1st year coach trying to win at one of the worst D1 programs in the country. They've finished <300 2 times in the history of kenpom.
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pv a&m's coach was good. they held the ball every possession of the 1st and kept it close.
our turnovers are going to be a big problem for us.
Ben Boyle wasn't very happy about it.
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why doesn't Sneed play more?
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pv a&m's coach was good. they held the ball every possession of the 1st and kept it close.
our turnovers are going to be a big problem for us.
PVAM defense actually looked pretty good 1st half. 'Cats looked half-asleep 1st half. Those 2 factors kept if pretty close at first.
yes, the 2-3 zone and holding the ball slowed the game way down.
Its a good move. 1st year coach trying to win at one of the worst D1 programs in the country. They've finished <300 2 times in the history of kenpom.
:horrorsurprise:
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why doesn't Sneed play more?
I think most of it is that he's Wes's back up at the 3 with a few minutes at the 4, and Wes plays a lot. Stokes, Brown, and Ervin have played pretty much all the minutes at 1 and 2. oscar has to figure out a rotation to get him some more minutes, probably mainly at the 4 in smaller line ups, but then he's got to juggle Wade and whether or not Wade can give us effective minutes at the 5. Even DJamer is playing 60% of the time. Clearly, Sneed needs to be on the floor more, hopefully he'll bump up to 60% minutes by Big 12 play.
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why doesn't Sneed play more?
I think most of it is that he's Wes's back up at the 3 with a few minutes at the 4, and Wes plays a lot. Stokes, Brown, and Ervin have played pretty much all the minutes at 1 and 2. oscar has to figure out a rotation to get him some more minutes, probably mainly at the 4 in smaller line ups, but then he's got to juggle Wade and whether or not Wade can give us effective minutes at the 5. Even DJamer is playing 60% of the time. Clearly, Sneed needs to be on the floor more, hopefully he'll bump up to 60% minutes by Big 12 play.
ah. seems like you should just play your best players but what do I know. It isn't like Brown, Stokes and Ervin are some kind of dynamos who deserve all the time at the 1 and 2.
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I want a rotation that features these two line ups for the majority of the game:
stokes stokes
brown brown
Westicles Westicles
sneed sneed
wade DJamer
Ervin needs to see as few minutes as possible, Maurice is our third best big on a team with limited bigs.
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why doesn't Sneed play more?
I think most of it is that he's Wes's back up at the 3 with a few minutes at the 4, and Wes plays a lot. Stokes, Brown, and Ervin have played pretty much all the minutes at 1 and 2. oscar has to figure out a rotation to get him some more minutes, probably mainly at the 4 in smaller line ups, but then he's got to juggle Wade and whether or not Wade can give us effective minutes at the 5. Even DJamer is playing 60% of the time. Clearly, Sneed needs to be on the floor more, hopefully he'll bump up to 60% minutes by Big 12 play.
ah. seems like you should just play your best players but what do I know. It isn't like Brown, Stokes and Ervin are some kind of dynamos who deserve all the time at the 1 and 2.
True, especially Ervin. I would want my most efficient scorer on the court at least 2/3 of the time.
I want a rotation that features these two line ups for the majority of the game:
stokes stokes
brown brown
Westicles Westicles
sneed sneed
wade DJamer
Ervin needs to see as few minutes as possible, Maurice is our third best big on a team with limited bigs.
Agree.
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Maybe have Ervin get bigger-boned and make him a Budke-ish undersized big?
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this thread man. i feel like i'm reading a bunch of kindergarten art teachers trying to describe and understand the genius of paul cezzane. you want to understand cezanne? just remember that the fruit are literally falling off of his paintings.
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I liked Patrick's stroke on his 3 and would like to see him get some of Ervin's minutes too
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Deathbite, Honcho
Flush, Dogbite, Swampthing
Westicles, Honcho, Hot Horndog, Hunch
Claws, Bullnuts
DJamer, Claws, xWhomper
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I liked Patrick's stroke on his 3 and would like to see him get some of Ervin's minutes too
Let him take all of em. I'm sure Carlbe the Third (as the fill in PA guy accidentally called him last night) is a nice dude, but he was the worst Cat on the floor by a huge margin against a terrible team last night.
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why doesn't Sneed play more?
I think most of it is that he's Wes's back up at the 3 with a few minutes at the 4, and Wes plays a lot. Stokes, Brown, and Ervin have played pretty much all the minutes at 1 and 2. oscar has to figure out a rotation to get him some more minutes, probably mainly at the 4 in smaller line ups, but then he's got to juggle Wade and whether or not Wade can give us effective minutes at the 5. Even DJamer is playing 60% of the time. Clearly, Sneed needs to be on the floor more, hopefully he'll bump up to 60% minutes by Big 12 play.
Agree. Sneed is playing just under 50% of the minutes right now, and we need him to be getting 60% of the minutes. Coming off the bench, if he doesn't play the first 5 minutes each half, that means he is on the court for 24 (maybe 25) of the other 30 minutes. I'm cool with that.
If Wes plays 30, that means 14-15 of Sneeds minutes will be with those 2 at the 3/4 Spots.
That still leaves 25-26 minutes for Dean at the 4. At times, maybe he can even see some minutes at the 5 (especially if DJamer is in foul trouble)
We just need to play Maurice as a backup to DJamer right now, and only see minutes at the 4 if Wade is in foul trouble. Thus, all the minutes at the 4 can go to Sneed and Dean
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why doesn't Sneed play more?
I think most of it is that he's Wes's back up at the 3 with a few minutes at the 4, and Wes plays a lot. Stokes, Brown, and Ervin have played pretty much all the minutes at 1 and 2. oscar has to figure out a rotation to get him some more minutes, probably mainly at the 4 in smaller line ups, but then he's got to juggle Wade and whether or not Wade can give us effective minutes at the 5. Even DJamer is playing 60% of the time. Clearly, Sneed needs to be on the floor more, hopefully he'll bump up to 60% minutes by Big 12 play.
Agree. Sneed is playing just under 50% of the minutes right now, and we need him to be getting 60% of the minutes. Coming off the bench, if he doesn't play the first 5 minutes each half, that means he is on the court for 24 (maybe 25) of the other 30 minutes. I'm cool with that.
If Wes plays 30, that means 14-15 of Sneeds minutes will be with those 2 at the 3/4 Spots.
That still leaves 25-26 minutes for Dean at the 4. At times, maybe he can even see some minutes at the 5 (especially if DJamer is in foul trouble)
We just need to play Maurice as a backup to DJamer right now, and only see minutes at the 4 if Wade is in foul trouble. Thus, all the minutes at the 4 can go to Sneed and Dean
Dean and DJamer should take all the 5 man minutes. The 4 can be split between Dean. Sneed Wes and Maurice.
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why doesn't Sneed play more?
I think most of it is that he's Wes's back up at the 3 with a few minutes at the 4, and Wes plays a lot. Stokes, Brown, and Ervin have played pretty much all the minutes at 1 and 2. oscar has to figure out a rotation to get him some more minutes, probably mainly at the 4 in smaller line ups, but then he's got to juggle Wade and whether or not Wade can give us effective minutes at the 5. Even DJamer is playing 60% of the time. Clearly, Sneed needs to be on the floor more, hopefully he'll bump up to 60% minutes by Big 12 play.
Agree. Sneed is playing just under 50% of the minutes right now, and we need him to be getting 60% of the minutes. Coming off the bench, if he doesn't play the first 5 minutes each half, that means he is on the court for 24 (maybe 25) of the other 30 minutes. I'm cool with that.
If Wes plays 30, that means 14-15 of Sneeds minutes will be with those 2 at the 3/4 Spots.
That still leaves 25-26 minutes for Dean at the 4. At times, maybe he can even see some minutes at the 5 (especially if DJamer is in foul trouble)
We just need to play Maurice as a backup to DJamer right now, and only see minutes at the 4 if Wade is in foul trouble. Thus, all the minutes at the 4 can go to Sneed and Dean
Dean and DJamer should take all the 5 man minutes. The 4 can be split between Dean. Sneed Wes and Maurice.
Asking Dean to play the 5 anymore than 5 mpg is asking for trouble.
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All of this talk -- although I am excited at the prospect of Sneed playing more -- is a reminder of how weak we are up front. Dean has turned it on of late, but I still have to see consistency to think we're a tourney team. Could happen, just not enough evidence yet to be confident. Given the lack of depth up front and that Sneed is not really a big at all, we're probably going to have to get those minutes from Carlbe. I'm more comfortable with Wes getting the minutes at the 4 than Sneed.
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why doesn't Sneed play more?
I think most of it is that he's Wes's back up at the 3 with a few minutes at the 4, and Wes plays a lot. Stokes, Brown, and Ervin have played pretty much all the minutes at 1 and 2. oscar has to figure out a rotation to get him some more minutes, probably mainly at the 4 in smaller line ups, but then he's got to juggle Wade and whether or not Wade can give us effective minutes at the 5. Even DJamer is playing 60% of the time. Clearly, Sneed needs to be on the floor more, hopefully he'll bump up to 60% minutes by Big 12 play.
Agree. Sneed is playing just under 50% of the minutes right now, and we need him to be getting 60% of the minutes. Coming off the bench, if he doesn't play the first 5 minutes each half, that means he is on the court for 24 (maybe 25) of the other 30 minutes. I'm cool with that.
If Wes plays 30, that means 14-15 of Sneeds minutes will be with those 2 at the 3/4 Spots.
That still leaves 25-26 minutes for Dean at the 4. At times, maybe he can even see some minutes at the 5 (especially if DJamer is in foul trouble)
We just need to play Maurice as a backup to DJamer right now, and only see minutes at the 4 if Wade is in foul trouble. Thus, all the minutes at the 4 can go to Sneed and Dean
Dean and DJamer should take all the 5 man minutes. The 4 can be split between Dean. Sneed Wes and Maurice.
Asking Dean to play the 5 anymore than 5 mpg is asking for trouble.
No it isn't. He doesn't defend the post great, but there aren't a bunch of huge posts besides Baylor who will kill us. Landen Lucas? gmab
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His defense is bad, his rebounding is worse.
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his defense is embarrassingly terrible
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Is Dean even capable of being a poor man's Shawn Rhodes?
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/shawn-rhodes-1.html (http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/shawn-rhodes-1.html)
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His defense is bad, his rebounding is worse.
I agree. I saw Maurice play a bit of ball this season, but he has largely been awful. I would rather take the 3pt shooting from Wade.
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Wade is the 2nd best rebounder on our team behind only DJamer.
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I'm more comfortable with Wes getting the minutes at the 4 than Sneed.
Agreed. I like Wes as the 4 defensively when he and X are on the floor at the same time. Then just play both X and Wes as a hybrid 3/4 thing offensively.
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Wade is the 2nd best rebounder on our team behind only DJamer.
That doesn't disprove whether or not he's a good rebounder, just that he's our second best rebounder.
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Wade is the 2nd best rebounder on our team behind only DJamer.
That doesn't disprove whether or not he's a good rebounder, just that he's our second best rebounder.
His per 100 rate of rebounding isn't terrible. His defensive rebounding is solid and his offensive rebounding is really good compared to past K-State players.
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Wade is the 2nd best rebounder on our team behind only DJamer.
That doesn't disprove whether or not he's a good rebounder, just that he's our second best rebounder.
His per 100 rate of rebounding isn't terrible. His defensive rebounding is solid and his offensive rebounding is really good compared to past K-State players.
Dean's defensive rebounding is tick below average for a big 12 big right now. But has been better as the season has gone along. His first three games were awful. If you remove the first three games he is above average. I think he will end up being average.
His offensive rebounding rate is OUTSTANDING. Not out standing. Fourth in the big 12 for player that are taller than 79' and have played at least 40 mins.
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His offensive rebounding rate is OUTSTANDING. Not out standing.
:thumbsup:
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His offensive rebounding rate is OUTSTANDING. Not out standing.
:thumbsup:
Just caught that. That was some good bbsing right there.
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Dean will not rebound this well in conference.
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Dean will not rebound this well in conference.
Why?
He rebounded fine last year as a freshman, basically tied for 3rd best on the team with Edwards (DJamer and Hurt were better). His rebounding from OOC to Big 12 play was about the same. There is no reason to believe he won't have normal improvement.
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Dean will not rebound this well in conference.
Why?
He rebounded fine last year as a freshman, basically tied for 3rd best on the team with Edwards (DJamer and Hurt were better). His rebounding from OOC to Big 12 play was about the same. There is no reason to believe he won't have normal improvement.
Is this oversimplified? Dean rebounded the same in OOC and BXII last year because the noncon and conf season were more comparable -- Dean may have become more comfortable as a frosh as time progressed too. In this year's case, wouldn't one expect the output to decline coming out of this dumpster fire OOC into conference play.
In the end, Dean will probably just be inconsistent in both OOC and BXII play.
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Don't forget he was motivated to get any ball he could last year b/c of no b2w.