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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: 'taterblast on October 07, 2016, 08:29:26 AM
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A friend of mine is close friends with the dad of a walk-on player.
Reportedly Delton has been getting a LOT more reps in practice this week with the 1s.
There is little doubt, if Ertz's struggles on Saturday, Snyder is going to have a quick hook.
Of course I want Jesse to be successful, but if he struggles, I will be very pleased if Delton gets the call. Though Coach would likely go with Hubener.
GO STATE !
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GOOD
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Go ahead and pull that trigger LHOFHCBS
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Go ahead and pull that trigger LHOFHCBS and fire our 2-headed OCs
FYP
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Please, that one dad guy of that one fullback of ours will just tell Bill, "sounds good" and promptly put Hubes in or run Ertz back out.
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Is there anyone more widely beloved by a fan base than the second string QB when the starter isn't doing well?
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Is there anyone more widely beloved by a fan base than the second string QB when the starter isn't doing well?
Well it's really the only change a football team can make in season that has an opportunity to turn a season around. So it makes sense.
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Is there anyone more widely beloved by a fan base than the second string QB when the starter isn't doing well?
Lately we haven't even had to wait for the starter to do anything.
Sams was pretty beloved even while Klein was purportedly in Heisman contention.
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It won't matter if they don't trust him. You guys think DimDel will open up the playbook for the backup?
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It won't matter if they don't trust him. You guys think DimDel will open up the playbook for the backup?
There is part of me that thinks this could actually be helpful. Just signal the play in and run it instead of changes at the LOS. Let the players just make plays, its clear that when this system doesn't have a QB that can completely handle it we end up with paralysis by analysis. Its always been a major weakness of Snyder coached teams.
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It won't matter if they don't trust him. You guys think DimDel will open up the playbook for the backup?
There is part of me that thinks this could actually be helpful. Just signal the play in and run it instead of changes at the LOS. Let the players just make plays, its clear that when this system doesn't have a QB that can completely handle it we end up with paralysis by analysis. Its always been a major weakness of Snyder coached teams.
Exactly, we overthink it and we end up hurting ourselves worse than if we "just ran the play"
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It won't matter if they don't trust him. You guys think DimDel will open up the playbook for the backup?
There is part of me that thinks this could actually be helpful. Just signal the play in and run it instead of changes at the LOS. Let the players just make plays, its clear that when this system doesn't have a QB that can completely handle it we end up with paralysis by analysis. Its always been a major weakness of Snyder coached teams.
I was talking with a friend the other night, and I basically said that if you have a QB in this offense that can run, but he doesn't have the coaches' trust to open up the playbook, but you have a QB who the coaches theoretically trust but don't want to run, it all kind of washes out.
Sure, they may feel more comfortable with Ertz back there since he's been here so long, but if they aren't willing to run him, our offense is going to continue to sputter. We may be better off with a condensed playbook and a guy that can use his legs to make plays under center.
Based on last Saturday, I'm not convinced there is anything more than a marginal difference in throwing ability between the two.
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the offense is predicatable if you've played against it enough or have enough time to practice against it. that's we suck so bad in bowl games. it's also why you need a qb that can occasionally make a play when the original one isn't there or get seven yards on a run when most would get three like klein would do. i don't think ertz is that guy. bring on delton and let's see what happens.
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Sisco has made plays with his legs scrambling, that hasn't been an issue. He doesn't get many calls made for him in the qb run game, there are no designed runs for him outside of the read play. I've heard that they won't call those plays for him because they think he runs tentatively because he's afraid of injuring his knee again.
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Delton like 2010 Klein vs Texas :excited:
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Sisco has made plays with his legs scrambling, that hasn't been an issue. He doesn't get many calls made for him in the qb run game, there are no designed runs for him outside of the read play. I've heard that they won't call those plays for him because they think he runs tentatively because he's afraid of injuring his knee again.
i guess he's extended a couple of drives with his legs, but I don't see big play ability from him in the run game or the pass game and if what you said about him being afraid to run is true, then he isn't going to be kleinesque either. I'm not saying he can't or won't be decent, but I'm pretty sure he will never be great so I'm ready to move on. put the guy in who has the highest ceiling and the best chance to make this team contend next year.
that said, I'm sure ertz will have a really good game this weekend and everybody will be excited.
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Sisco has made plays with his legs scrambling, that hasn't been an issue. He doesn't get many calls made for him in the qb run game, there are no designed runs for him outside of the read play. I've heard that they won't call those plays for him because they think he runs tentatively because he's afraid of injuring his knee again.
maybe he should being a fp, tc etc. and realize he isn't going pro so he might as well become sketti brained and wobbly kneed and win some rough ridin' football games
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Sisco has made plays with his legs scrambling, that hasn't been an issue. He doesn't get many calls made for him in the qb run game, there are no designed runs for him outside of the read play. I've heard that they won't call those plays for him because they think he runs tentatively because he's afraid of injuring his knee again.
maybe he should being a fp, tc etc. and realize he isn't going pro so he might as well become sketti brained and wobbly kneed and win some rough ridin' football games
Well this is all tee'd up quite nicely for MIR to come in and go all scorched earth. :buh-bye:
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Sisco has made plays with his legs scrambling, that hasn't been an issue. He doesn't get many calls made for him in the qb run game, there are no designed runs for him outside of the read play. I've heard that they won't call those plays for him because they think he runs tentatively because he's afraid of injuring his knee again.
maybe he should being a fp, tc etc. and realize he isn't going pro so he might as well become sketti brained and wobbly kneed and win some rough ridin' football games
Well this is all tee'd up quite nicely for MIR to come in and go all scorched earth. :buh-bye:
meh, boring
:bait:
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Delton like 2010 Klein vs Texas :excited:
no KSU quarterback has ever run so tough and right off tackle, not Ell, Bish, Beasley....it was incredible
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Sisco has made plays with his legs scrambling, that hasn't been an issue. He doesn't get many calls made for him in the qb run game, there are no designed runs for him outside of the read play. I've heard that they won't call those plays for him because they think he runs tentatively because he's afraid of injuring his knee again.
He can run, but they won't/he won't/someone won't commit to using him more in that way.
Which is sad. But we have to have someone that can run to make the offense work the way it's supposed to work. If he can't/won't, it may not be a bad idea for someone else to give it a go.
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if he's afraid of getting hurt he shouldn't play, especially if he's gonna 10 for 30.
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Delton like 2010 Klein vs Texas :excited:
Don't you tease me! Don't you do it!
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I don't get why we huddle anymore. They hardly ever run the play that was called. Coaches want to see what the defense is showing. Why not just go to the line and call it from there. That would save us a bunch of time which seems to be the issue. You don't have to go fast if you don't huddle. You can take your time doing that way.
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I don't get why we huddle anymore. They hardly ever run the play that was called. Coaches want to see what the defense is showing. Why not just go to the line and call it from there. That would save us a bunch of time which seems to be the issue. You don't have to go fast if you don't huddle. You can take your time doing that way.
i totally agree with you, but they change personnel way more than most teams and huddling helps clean that up
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hey guys Ertz totally can make great plays and run, its just that the coaches won't run him because they think he can't. A real mystery/enigma/egg/shell/chicken/road brain buster.
What difference does it make? He sucks.
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I would not be surprised at all if: we run pretty much the same offense this weekend and eek out a win against a bad TTech team, and then completely flip the rough ridin' script and have a bunch of weird/new crap for OU.
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I mean crap, remember when Klein couldn't throw the ball at all but he came in and beat texas ass running not stop?
Why can't Delton do that.
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I mean crap, remember when Klein couldn't throw the ball at all but he came in and beat texas ass running not stop?
Why can't Delton do that.
he's not a 6'5 robot :dunno:
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yeah, he's smaller and faster
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I don't get why we huddle anymore. They hardly ever run the play that was called. Coaches want to see what the defense is showing. Why not just go to the line and call it from there. That would save us a bunch of time which seems to be the issue. You don't have to go fast if you don't huddle. You can take your time doing that way.
i totally agree with you, but they change personnel way more than most teams and huddling helps clean that up
Yeah, except we keep breaking the huddle with 12 players and getting penalized for it.
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Is there anyone more widely beloved by a fan base than the second string QB when the starter isn't doing well?
Delton is 3rd....zooka Joe is 2nd
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Is there anyone more widely beloved by a fan base than the second string QB when the starter isn't doing well?
Delton is 3rd....zooka Joe is 2nd
I thought they were co-2nd stringers ? might've changed I don't pay attention
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Is there anyone more widely beloved by a fan base than the second string QB when the starter isn't doing well?
Delton is 3rd....zooka Joe is 2nd
I thought they were co-2nd stringers ? might've changed I don't pay attention
they will give panic face the first crack at it after Hertz
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i was watching the clemson/louisville game and thinking how great it would be if lamar jackson or deshaun watson played at k-state, and then i had the most depressing thought that our offense would only ruin them anyway. like, they would look shitty, or get hurt, or never play, and so what difference does it make who we recruit.
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No they wouldn't. We have plenty of data points that show they would whip ass. Maybe get hurt, but not suck.
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Smdh
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It won't matter if they don't trust him. You guys think DimDel will open up the playbook for the backup?
There is part of me that thinks this could actually be helpful. Just signal the play in and run it instead of changes at the LOS. Let the players just make plays, its clear that when this system doesn't have a QB that can completely handle it we end up with paralysis by analysis. Its always been a major weakness of Snyder coached teams.
This this this. :Wha:
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isn't this the approach they used during Grant Gregory's only season (signal in play and go)?
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Snyder may be motivated enough to get to 200 that he takes control of this thing one last time.
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Doubt it. I mean, there is always next year.
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Snyder may be motivated enough to get to 200 that he takes control of this thing one last time.
lol
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I think Gregory and ervridge got plays at los and went with it
They are trusting ertz to make audibles
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remember how fun the 2012 sports year was for k-state.. I hope we get that again soon
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remember how fun the 2012 sports year was for k-state.. I hope we get that again soon
i'm not sure you'll ever see another TitleTown ever again in P5 sports.
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remember how fun the 2012 sports year was for k-state.. I hope we get that again soon
i'm not sure you'll ever see another TitleTown ever again in P5 sports.
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I think Gregory and ervridge got plays at los and went with it
They are trusting ertz to make audibles
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Ertz does not call the audible. Dimel does from the booth, it goes thru Bill and Coleman signals it to the players on the field. Jesse gets the call and relays it to the lineman. Collin was the only QB to ever call out his own audibles, his senior year. And only half way thru his senior year before they allowed him to.
Damn! He trippin' so hard fans are gonna think he done fell off!
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Is there anyone more widely beloved by a fan base than the second string QB when the starter isn't doing well?
Delton is 3rd....zooka Joe is 2nd
I thought they were co-2nd stringers ? might've changed I don't pay attention
they will give panic face the first crack at it after Hertz
Delton has been the back-up the last two home games.
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And going back to the Stanford game and my sources relayed to me that Alex was outplaying both Jesse and Joe in practice. Fwiw. There was a confirmation of sorts when Snyder said in the weekly presser that Alex had his best practices since being at KState following the Stanford game.
The staff really like Delton and what he can do, but they always rely on getting their players reps before putting them in meaningful situations. It's just a matter of time for Alex. Obviously that time has been a mixture of bad luck and patience as he got injured last year and this year we had a big opening game along with another being shortened due to weather.
Damn! He trippin' so hard fans are gonna think he done fell off!
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I would be shocked if Delton played starting QB @ ksu. Pleasantly so. Past decade says otherwise tho.
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Sisco has made plays with his legs scrambling, that hasn't been an issue. He doesn't get many calls made for him in the qb run game, there are no designed runs for him outside of the read play. I've heard that they won't call those plays for him because they think he runs tentatively because he's afraid of injuring his knee again.
i guess he's extended a couple of drives with his legs, but I don't see big play ability from him in the run game or the pass game and if what you said about him being afraid to run is true, then he isn't going to be kleinesque either. I'm not saying he can't or won't be decent, but I'm pretty sure he will never be great so I'm ready to move on. put the guy in who has the highest ceiling and the best chance to make this team contend next year.
that said, I'm sure ertz will have a really good game this weekend and everybody will be excited.
That would be Sky Thompson.
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I would not be surprised at all if: we run pretty much the same offense this weekend and eek out a win against a bad TTech team, and then completely flip the rough ridin' script and have a bunch of weird/new crap for OU.
I would not be surprised if the team still has a shitty method for getting plays in on offense. Next away game will truely show if OB et al are complete dumbasses that don't want to change their ways in getting plays in, instead want the team to be inefficient/sucky.
:Ugh: :'bye cruel world:
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Somehow, someway, Dimel has managed to call a worse game than last week. 17 offense points through three quarters against this defense is absolutely pathetic.
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Somehow, someway, Dimel has managed to call a worse game than last week. 17 offense points through three quarters against this defense is absolutely pathetic.
Tech defense came in allowing 3.27 points per drive against FBS teams. Cats ended up with 4.4 PPD. Even taking out the defense and special teams touchdowns, it's 3.0 PPD which is decent.
Yeah, the 3rd quarter was very frustrating, but after the fact our efficiency on offense wasn't awful like last week. (1.45 PPD)
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That game was a million times better at offensive play calls than last game, I'm not sure how you could even consider arguing otherwise
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That game was a million times better at offensive play calls than last game, I'm not sure how you could even consider arguing otherwise
Yeah. The only drive I was really upset was after we stopped them on 4th and goal. Ertz had 2 really nice runs in the QB run game and we immediately come out and throw on 1st and 2nd down after getting out past the 30.
Other than that we tried to establish the run, we just failed on the other 2 3rd quarter drives to get it going. Getting stuffed on 1st down runs is simply terrible for our offense in this system.
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That game was a million times better at offensive play calls than last game, I'm not sure how you could even consider arguing otherwise
Yeah. The only drive I was really upset was after we stopped them on 4th and goal. Ertz had 2 really nice runs in the QB run game and we immediately come out and throw on 1st and 2nd down after getting out past the 30.
Other than that we tried to establish the run, we just failed on the other 2 3rd quarter drives to get it going. Getting stuffed on 1st down runs is simply terrible for our offense in this system.
Yeah the offense really stalled for both teams in the second half. I could tell getting the plays in way earlier was an emphasis during the week. I can't remember the last time I didn't yell about snapping the ball.
Listening to the post game leaving the stadium you could tell Bill was pissed, seemed like he was mad at the media for criticizing him about it so much.
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That game was a million times better at offensive play calls than last game, I'm not sure how you could even consider arguing otherwise
Yeah. The only drive I was really upset was after we stopped them on 4th and goal. Ertz had 2 really nice runs in the QB run game and we immediately come out and throw on 1st and 2nd down after getting out past the 30.
Other than that we tried to establish the run, we just failed on the other 2 3rd quarter drives to get it going. Getting stuffed on 1st down runs is simply terrible for our offense in this system.
Yeah the offense really stalled for both teams in the second half. I could tell getting the plays in way earlier was an emphasis during the week. I can't remember the last time I didn't yell about snapping the ball.
Listening to the post game leaving the stadium you could tell Bill was pissed, seemed like he was mad at the media for criticizing him about it so much.
Yes. I love feisty Bill.
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That game was a million times better at offensive play calls than last game, I'm not sure how you could even consider arguing otherwise
Yeah. The only drive I was really upset was after we stopped them on 4th and goal. Ertz had 2 really nice runs in the QB run game and we immediately come out and throw on 1st and 2nd down after getting out past the 30.
Other than that we tried to establish the run, we just failed on the other 2 3rd quarter drives to get it going. Getting stuffed on 1st down runs is simply terrible for our offense in this system.
Yeah the offense really stalled for both teams in the second half. I could tell getting the plays in way earlier was an emphasis during the week. I can't remember the last time I didn't yell about snapping the ball.
Listening to the post game leaving the stadium you could tell Bill was pissed, seemed like he was mad at the media for criticizing him about it so much.
Yes. I love feisty Bill.
eff Bill. He thinks he is beyond reproach and the majority of the fanbase agrees.
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This is one of the hardest things I've ever had to say, but Warmack isn't very good. We were in the NEZ right in the middle where you can see the holes in the running game and he bounced out of at least 2 wide open holes right into defenders. Even Mrs. _33 who knows very little about football and barely watches the game said 'why didn't he just keep running straight through that giant opening?' Also he got arm tackled at about the 3 on another drive when we settled for a field goal.
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That game was a million times better at offensive play calls than last game, I'm not sure how you could even consider arguing otherwise
Yeah. The only drive I was really upset was after we stopped them on 4th and goal. Ertz had 2 really nice runs in the QB run game and we immediately come out and throw on 1st and 2nd down after getting out past the 30.
Other than that we tried to establish the run, we just failed on the other 2 3rd quarter drives to get it going. Getting stuffed on 1st down runs is simply terrible for our offense in this system.
You kind of have to throw on first down every once in a while, and wasn't one of those passes dropped?
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That game was a million times better at offensive play calls than last game, I'm not sure how you could even consider arguing otherwise
Yeah. The only drive I was really upset was after we stopped them on 4th and goal. Ertz had 2 really nice runs in the QB run game and we immediately come out and throw on 1st and 2nd down after getting out past the 30.
Other than that we tried to establish the run, we just failed on the other 2 3rd quarter drives to get it going. Getting stuffed on 1st down runs is simply terrible for our offense in this system.
You kind of have to throw on first down every once in a while, and wasn't one of those passes dropped?
I don't remember. I agree that its a good idea to throw on 1st down, I'm not sure in that situation. Hindsight is easy though.
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Burton dropped a slant for a first down I think
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That game was a million times better at offensive play calls than last game, I'm not sure how you could even consider arguing otherwise
Yeah. The only drive I was really upset was after we stopped them on 4th and goal. Ertz had 2 really nice runs in the QB run game and we immediately come out and throw on 1st and 2nd down after getting out past the 30.
Other than that we tried to establish the run, we just failed on the other 2 3rd quarter drives to get it going. Getting stuffed on 1st down runs is simply terrible for our offense in this system.
You kind of have to throw on first down every once in a while, and wasn't one of those passes dropped?
The first and third down passes were dropped.
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That game was a million times better at offensive play calls than last game, I'm not sure how you could even consider arguing otherwise
Yeah. The only drive I was really upset was after we stopped them on 4th and goal. Ertz had 2 really nice runs in the QB run game and we immediately come out and throw on 1st and 2nd down after getting out past the 30.
Other than that we tried to establish the run, we just failed on the other 2 3rd quarter drives to get it going. Getting stuffed on 1st down runs is simply terrible for our offense in this system.
Yeah the offense really stalled for both teams in the second half. I could tell getting the plays in way earlier was an emphasis during the week. I can't remember the last time I didn't yell about snapping the ball.
Listening to the post game leaving the stadium you could tell Bill was pissed, seemed like he was mad at the media for criticizing him about it so much.
Yes. I love feisty Bill.
eff Bill. He thinks he is beyond reproach and the majority of the fanbase agrees.
OBs needs to chill, then.
Less pre snap shittiness if you don't milk the clock every godamn play, who'da thunk...
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That game was a million times better at offensive play calls than last game, I'm not sure how you could even consider arguing otherwise
Yeah. The only drive I was really upset was after we stopped them on 4th and goal. Ertz had 2 really nice runs in the QB run game and we immediately come out and throw on 1st and 2nd down after getting out past the 30.
Other than that we tried to establish the run, we just failed on the other 2 3rd quarter drives to get it going. Getting stuffed on 1st down runs is simply terrible for our offense in this system.
You kind of have to throw on first down every once in a while, and wasn't one of those passes dropped?
The first and third down passes were dropped.
I know we love to hate in Burton but that first down pass was short of him. He was wide open but Ertz didn't get it there. And the third down pass was over the head of the receiver (I believe I was Zuber). I soppose it was catchable but it would've been a fantastic catch. Hardly can consider it a drop
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That game was a million times better at offensive play calls than last game, I'm not sure how you could even consider arguing otherwise
Yeah. The only drive I was really upset was after we stopped them on 4th and goal. Ertz had 2 really nice runs in the QB run game and we immediately come out and throw on 1st and 2nd down after getting out past the 30.
Other than that we tried to establish the run, we just failed on the other 2 3rd quarter drives to get it going. Getting stuffed on 1st down runs is simply terrible for our offense in this system.
You kind of have to throw on first down every once in a while, and wasn't one of those passes dropped?
The first and third down passes were dropped.
I know we love to hate in Burton but that first down pass was short of him. He was wide open but Ertz didn't get it there. And the third down pass was over the head of the receiver (I believe I was Zuber). I soppose it was catchable but it would've been a fantastic catch. Hardly can consider it a drop
They were both physically dropped, I wouldn't blame the receivers though, especially the Zuber one, idiot behind me freaked out on Zuber. He clearly throws a ball that isn't very catchable, there are too many drops to think otherwise.