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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: eastcat on October 01, 2016, 05:58:28 PM
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Proven failure just like Oscar. We're 9/28 passing and the run game is working great. Lets throw the ball.
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I don't think the offense even practiced all week.
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This game should be the placeholder of the end of the current coaching staff and the beginning of the house cleaning.
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Proven failure just like Oscar. We're 9/28 passing and the run game is working great. Lets throw the ball.
Same thing last year.
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If Bill's here, Dana's here. Freaking infuriating.
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If Bill's here, Dana's here. Freaking infuriating.
Yeah.
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If charles jones gets one more carry over warmack im going to rough ridin' lose it. They should fire this senile rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)'s ass today
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Rename thread "What if Dimel is a complete dumbass" please thanks.
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Anybody have a count of how many incomplete fly routes we ran?
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That last call.. take a chance throwing vs. safe bet running, maybe getting more yards, and running the clock down (when passing has been meeeeh)?
Basically, eff you Dimel et al. You constantly shaft the players with shitty play calling.
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If Pringle catches the TD pass ... Probably wouldn't be taking about poor coaching decisions, clock mgmt, missed holding calls or firing <insert name>. Dude was supposed to be conf newcomer of the year. Stage too big for him. Overrated
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If Pringle catches the TD pass ... Probably wouldn't be taking about poor coaching decisions, clock mgmt, missed holding calls or firing <insert name>. Dude was supposed to be conf newcomer of the year. Stage too big for him. Overrated
No, Dimel sucks, Bill is senile and needs to go to Meadowlark hills.
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If Pringle catches the TD pass ... Probably wouldn't be taking about poor coaching decisions, clock mgmt, missed holding calls or firing <insert name>. Dude was supposed to be conf newcomer of the year. Stage too big for him. Overrated
eff off
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If Pringle catches the TD pass ... Probably wouldn't be taking about poor coaching decisions, clock mgmt, missed holding calls or firing <insert name>. Dude was supposed to be conf newcomer of the year. Stage too big for him. Overrated
Seemed like he dropped everything that came is way at Stanford.
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Hey, can I get a guy who went 8–26 at Houston to be my offensive coordinator? Is that something that is in any way possible for me to do?
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Not to disagree with our craptastic OC's and HC who's probably listening to Lawrence Welk reruns on his headset ... but, X's and O's aside - just sayin' players also missed catch, kicked out of bounds, missed FG. Didn't see much in WV's 2nd half adjustment that called for us to throw (and throw long too). Play calling / clock management is and has been a head shaker for years now.
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Fire Dimel; Fire Hays.
Three of the more frustrating losses I can remember as a long kstater came in the last twelve months: Osu and TCU last year, WVU this year. Led at half in all three....didn't we used to be good at that?
The two throws on second and two in the first half is a fireable offense by itself. When dolt Dusty Dvorczak can tell your play calling sucks, it is time for a change.
Bill is obviously a winner, but the rest of the staff are losers. Too bad he has to go out with these losers.
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We're up 13 zip and I leave for church. Come back just in time to see the missed FG. eff! I don't even have words.
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Who the eff is old LHC Bill Snyder, who has no idea what's going on and who nobody wants to work for, going to hire? We are maxed out at OC with this setup.
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He would promote Sean to OC.
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Maybe the answer is just to promote everybody. And then hire some more out of work former assiatants and then promote them.
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He would promote Sean to OC.
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To OP: yep
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Not to disagree with our craptastic OC's and HC who's probably listening to Lawrence Welk reruns on his headset ... but, X's and O's aside - just sayin' players also missed catch, kicked out of bounds, missed FG. Didn't see much in WV's 2nd half adjustment that called for us to throw (and throw long too). Play calling / clock management is and has been a head shaker for years now.
It's college football, players are going to make mistakes. You have to put your players in the position to succeed and we don't. We are risk averse cowards that leaves or players with no margin for error. LHC Bill Snyder and his idiot coaching staff brought into this stupid, "LHC Bill Snyder's teams don't make mistakes" bullshit and it's caused this to happen. That is a total rough ridin' myth. Version one of LHC Bill Snyder football made lots and lots of mistakes but made twice as many plays. We don't make plays anymore we just hope the other team fucks up. I'm sick of it, I've never been so frustrated watching sports, Bill, Dana, and Del are holding this program back.
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I'll prepare the website
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Not to disagree with our craptastic OC's and HC who's probably listening to Lawrence Welk reruns on his headset ... but, X's and O's aside - just sayin' players also missed catch, kicked out of bounds, missed FG. Didn't see much in WV's 2nd half adjustment that called for us to throw (and throw long too). Play calling / clock management is and has been a head shaker for years now.
It's college football, players are going to make mistakes. You have to put your players in the position to succeed and we don't. We are risk averse cowards that leaves or players with no margin for error. LHC Bill Snyder and his idiot coaching staff brought into this stupid, "LHC Bill Snyder's teams don't make mistakes" bullshit and it's caused this to happen. That is a total rough ridin' myth. Version one of LHC Bill Snyder football made lots and lots of mistakes but made twice as many plays. We don't make plays anymore we just hope the other team fucks up. I'm sick of it, I've never been so frustrated watching sports, Bill, Dana, and Del are holding this program back.
Bill watched the offense all those years and now he can't remember how to do it........frustrating ......maybe the worst part is Dimel can hide behind "the legend" because the fan base doesn't know any better........this just delays the transition to a new coach who could bring us better players and a better god damn offense......
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He would promote Sean to OC.
Well he couldn't possibly do any worse than Dimel.
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He would promote Sean to OC.
Well he couldn't possibly do any worse than Dimel.
That schmuck can't even manage field goal kickers and keep free kicks in bounds, you think he can handle something more complex?
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Yeah, Sean as HC is becoming less and less likely the more often we crap away games on special teams
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T. Boone is going to force Gundy out (he might pull a Frank and jump on his own as soon as he can) they hire Brent and I will literally murder Currie. I can't got to prison guys. I'm way too small and pretty. I'll never survive.
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T. Boone is going to force Gundy out (he might pull a Frank and jump on his own as soon as he can) they hire Brent and I will literally murder Currie. I can't got to prison guys. I'm way too small and pretty. I'll never survive.
I hadn't considered this. It would be too much to handle. not gooch in prison, i'd learn to deal with that
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T. Boone is going to force Gundy out (he might pull a Frank and jump on his own as soon as he can) they hire Brent and I will literally murder Currie. I can't got to prison guys. I'm way too small and pretty. I'll never survive.
OKST would have two head coaches we should have. Furk!
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I could 100% see Gundy leaving to go to LSU
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I could 100% see Gundy leaving to go to LSU
Nah. Not a splash enough hire. Plus, they justcanned the last guy they stole from Oklahoma State.
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I could 100% see Gundy leaving to go to LSU
You could see it because you're a moron. LOL at LSU hiring a dude who lost a home game to Central Michigan.
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I like how everyone forgets that Del huge racist Miller is the co offensive coordinator and the qb coach. But by all means continue.
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Miller and Dimel never recruit anyone because they are too busy scheming.......so if you are going to hang your hat on "we coach em up and out maneuver our way to victory" .....then fine, but don't bitch about the kids false starts when you call a game like that.........they should be embarassed.
all they did yesterday was show the rest of the league what Ertz can't do......... :facepalm:
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I could 100% see Gundy leaving to go to LSU
You could see it because you're a moron. LOL at LSU hiring a dude who lost a home game to Central Michigan.
So angry
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I like how everyone forgets that Del huge racist Miller is the co offensive coordinator and the qb coach. But by all means continue.
Del has a large share of blame for his crap QB recruiting and development.
And, yes, I tend to skew towards believing he's a little racist based on how he's handled every black QB not named Ell Roberson.
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I like how everyone forgets that Del huge racist Miller is the co offensive coordinator and the qb coach. But by all means continue.
Del has a large share of blame for his crap QB recruiting and development.
And, yes, I tend to skew towards believing he's a little racist based on how he's handled every black QB not named Ell Roberson.
He benched Ell, its just that Marc Dunn was real bad so he had no choice but to play Ell.
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Del and Dana must go, they won't. I couldn't stand Dimel the first time around.
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I like how everyone forgets that Del huge racist Miller is the co offensive coordinator and the qb coach. But by all means continue.
Del has a large share of blame for his crap QB recruiting and development.
And, yes, I tend to skew towards believing he's a little racist based on how he's handled every black QB not named Ell Roberson.
He benched Ell, its just that Marc Dunn was real bad so he had no choice but to play Ell.
or was that Ron Hudson? Del wasn't Ell's QB Coach and OC until Ell's senior year.
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I swear on all things holy.... if OKST hires BV I will be on the front line of the mob that goes to burn down Vanier with Currie Snidly Wiplashed to the Cat Train train tracks.
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I like how everyone forgets that Del huge racist Miller is the co offensive coordinator and the qb coach. But by all means continue.
Del has a large share of blame for his crap QB recruiting and development.
And, yes, I tend to skew towards believing he's a little racist based on how he's handled every black QB not named Ell Roberson.
He benched Ell, its just that Marc Dunn was real bad so he had no choice but to play Ell.
Ron Hudson was the guy that kept screwing around in 02. I "think" Del was DE coach then because I remember a long thread on GPC chronicling his failures there.
Once Hudson left, Miller took over OC and passing game while Bob Elliot and Bielma handled the defense.
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We need a plane crash.
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We need a plane crash.
:sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek:
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We need a plane crash.
:sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek:
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Holy crap, this thread got dark real quick...
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I swear on all things holy.... if OKST hires BV I will be on the front line of the mob that goes to burn down Vanier with Currie Snidly Wiplashed to the Cat Train train tracks.
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I'll start growing an ole timey mustache.
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I swear on all things holy.... if OKST hires BV I will be on the front line of the mob that goes to burn down Vanier with Currie Snidly Wiplashed to the Cat Train train tracks.
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I'll start growing an ole timey mustache.
I can help with that.
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OSU hiring Venables wouldn't really be Currie's fault. Our fanbase would never let Currie get away with firing LHC Bill Snyder. This is all LHC Bill Snyder's fault. Bill's and our fanbase's faults, anyway.
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Well, we're family, and family always families as a family. #family
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Dimel's going to be calling plays for Bill's last home game in late November 2017 in front of 7,000 empty seats.
#family
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Lol at this whole article, but I especially liked this quote. Yes, I know what he meant.
“As a whole, we had communication problems,” running back Charles Jones said. “Signaling plays late, audibling plays late, terrible clock management, not getting on the ball fast enough, which is what coach (Bill) Snyder preaches.
http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2016-10-02/k-state-offense-plagued-communication-problems#
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Lol at this too.
K-State ran the ball up to the 33 a couple plays later, but then went for a pass on third down instead of running more clock or centering up the ball for a field goal.
“We were trying to get the first down,” Snyder said. “I was contemplating, and (the coaches) wanted to go for it. I was fine. I didn’t want to throw an interception. I was contemplating centering the ball up. (McCrane’s) a pretty doggone good kicker. Stuff happens. That’s one mistake and there’s not a guy on the field that made less than one mistake.”
McCrane said he actually preferred the ball not be in the middle of the field, and likes it more on either hash.
http://themercury.com/articles/wide-left-cats-lose-tight-game-at-wvu-17-16
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:lol:
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I've hear a lot of kickers are that way. When you practice field goals ever-y-day, lining up from either hash should not be a problem.
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McCrane hits a slice ball, so the optimal place for him is actually right hash.
Him attempting from the left hash is akin to a right-handed golfer who hits a fade trying to hit the fairway on a dogleg left. The margin for error is reduced.
It's a small thing, but I would guess that right-hash v. left hash for McCrane is a difference of 5-10 percentage points on a 42 yard field goal. And, of course, when you miss by 2 feet, it makes you wonder.
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holy crap, who gives a eff? he should have never been in that position in the first place. the premise of this thread is to fire our idiot coaches that don't understand the game of football
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WVU's defense gave up 30+ to BYU and we can only manage 17. Just awful.
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The funny parts of the hash thing are that bill had no say in what "the coaches" decided to do, and that if he had, he'd have made things worse because he doesn't know his players. Stop analyzing hash logistics. eff.
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If the kicker can't make it because of the hash, then we shouldn't be kicking the damn FG
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#hashgate
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My frustration with Dimel has mainly come the last two seasons. His offenses have been fine for the most part during Snyder 2 when you look at the efficiency numbers. Its just strange that we finally build a good defense (credit to Hayes, who most wanted fired the last couple of years) and now our offense is terrible.
Also, this is a prime example of when Snyder's "we don't allow the coaches to talk" policy is really messed up. We send the junior in college who is our kicker out to the media, but not the OC(s) whose offense stunk up the 2nd half. That isn't right.
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We need to protect the guys getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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Fire Dimel; Fire Hays.
Three of the more frustrating losses I can remember as a long kstater came in the last twelve months: Osu and TCU last year, WVU this year. Led at half in all three....didn't we used to be good at that?
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I knew we were mumped when it was 3rd and 2 and we ran that slant route to heath.. We have no sort of rhythm between QB and wide outs and should've been able to pick that up easily on the ground.
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I actually really liked running the slant there. Heath was wide open. We should have been running that on every first down until they stopped blitzing up the middle, too. Nothing is easy on the ground when the defense stacks the box and run blitzes. Instead we kept checking into 20 yard bombs down the sideline that Ertz had to chuck up off of his back foot.
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My frustration with Dimel has mainly come the last two seasons. His offenses have been fine for the most part during Snyder 2 when you look at the efficiency numbers. Its just strange that we finally build a good defense (credit to Hayes, who most wanted fired the last couple of years) and now our offense is terrible.
Also, this is a prime example of when Snyder's "we don't allow the coaches to talk" policy is really messed up. We send the junior in college who is our kicker out to the media, but not the OC(s) whose offense stunk up the 2nd half. That isn't right.
This is all good stuff but our offense was just as terrible in the first half, as far as game plan goes, as it was in the second. We were lucky the players executed more plays in the first half despite a lackluster, disjointed, no recognizable identity plan.
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I actually really liked running the slant there. Heath was wide open. We should have been running that on every first down until they stopped blitzing up the middle, too. Nothing is easy on the ground when the defense stacks the box and run blitzes. Instead we kept checking into 20 yard bombs down the sideline that Ertz had to chuck up off of his back foot.
Without context the slant there was fine. It was an odd time to call it given we were running the ball with pretty good success it was also bad because they didn't plan on going for it if the play failed. We did that on a running down but on passing downs when they were blitzing we were running these deep routes, it was stupid. Not only do the coaches not trust Ertz, they must not think our receivers are good enough route runners to get open on a three step drop.
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Not to mention that on those deep routes he usually overthrew the receiver by at least 10 yards
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Not to mention that on those deep routes he usually overthrew the receiver by at least 10 yards
step into throw, shoulders won't fly open and it won't sail........simple crap like this is coaching 100%
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Also, this is a prime example of when Snyder's "we don't allow the coaches to talk" policy is really messed up. We send the junior in college who is our kicker out to the media, but not the OC(s) whose offense stunk up the 2nd half. That isn't right.
i don't know why i've never thought about it like this before now. it's absolutely bullshit.
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Lol at this whole article, but I especially liked this quote. Yes, I know what he meant.
“As a whole, we had communication problems,” running back Charles Jones said. “Signaling plays late, audibling plays late, terrible clock management, not getting on the ball fast enough, which is what coach (Bill) Snyder preaches.
http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2016-10-02/k-state-offense-plagued-communication-problems#
Somehow this is worse when you see it typed out than it was live:
The Wildcats had just converted a third-and-1 with a 1-yard sneak by quarterback Jesse Ertz to the WVU 28-yard line on the fourth play of the second quarter, then they were flagged for delay of game.
Ertz hit Isaiah Zuber for a 13-yard pass, but facing second-and-2 the Wildcats again had trouble getting started and Snyder sprinted — as fast as a 76-year-old man can sprint — down the sideline toward an official to call timeout.
Snyder threw down his headset, his second such action in three games after a disgusted headset toss in the Florida Atlantic game.
Coming out of the timeout, Ertz threw an incomplete pass and before he could get the snap on the third-and-2 play K-State had to call its second timeout in a span of 12 seconds on the game clock. It also was the third and final timeout of the half.
Ertz threw another incompletion on third down, but the Wildcats managed to come away with points on Matthew McCrane’s 37-yard field goal for a 10-0 lead.
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My frustration with Dimel has mainly come the last two seasons. His offenses have been fine for the most part during Snyder 2 when you look at the efficiency numbers. Its just strange that we finally build a good defense (credit to Hayes, who most wanted fired the last couple of years) and now our offense is terrible.
Also, this is a prime example of when Snyder's "we don't allow the coaches to talk" policy is really messed up. We send the junior in college who is our kicker out to the media, but not the OC(s) whose offense stunk up the 2nd half. That isn't right.
This is all good stuff but our offense was just as terrible in the first half, as far as game plan goes, as it was in the second. We were lucky the players executed more plays in the first half despite a lackluster, disjointed, no recognizable identity plan.
That's fair. I only got to listen to the first half, but it "felt" more like we were sustaining drives and moving the ball, plus the yardage totals were pretty much equal at halftime.
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holy crap, who gives a eff? he should have never been in that position in the first place. the premise of this thread is to fire our idiot coaches that don't understand the game of football
If you can't figure out how the discussion of hash location fits in to the overall premise of this thread, I can't help you. (Actually, I could, but it would probably be too frustrating and time consuming.)
Kslim, for future reference, if you can't understand why a discussion is material to the thread topic, just assume that it is and accept the fact that you can't understand the connection.
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sounds like you two need to hash it out between yourself. #family
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sounds like you two need to hash it out between yourself. #family
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sounds like you two need to hash it out between yourself. #family
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sounds like you two need to hash it out between yourself. #family
Right or left?
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Also, this is a prime example of when Snyder's "we don't allow the coaches to talk" policy is really messed up. We send the junior in college who is our kicker out to the media, but not the OC(s) whose offense stunk up the 2nd half. That isn't right.
i don't know why i've never thought about it like this before now. it's absolutely bullshit.
Because we're cool with it when we aren't a dogshit sucking football program.
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sounds like you two need to hash it out between yourself. #family
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If we let Dana go, what would Winston do?
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Hopefully get used like a regular god damn fullback.
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Hopefully get used like a regular god damn fullback.
You don't think he'd transfer?