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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: DQ12 on September 12, 2016, 09:21:17 AM
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Why aren't people LOSING THEIR MINDS over the finish of that game? Why didn't Gundy go on a half hour rant in the post game press conference?
I have no clue what I would do if that happened to k-state, but I imagine I would be writing letters to the Big 12 Conference offices and the NCAA offices for starters. Probably the MAC offices too.
I would also DEMAND that K-State claim the victory.
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Probably cuz no one knows what you're talking about
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Probably cuz no one knows what you're talking about
Exactly! This should be front page of NYT stuff, but Gundy and Co. are like, "sure, CMU got an extra play even though the game was over but ho hum whatever let's just move on." I hope this screws OSU out of bowl eligibility just to teach them a lesson that sometimes you need to raise hell.
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Gundy doesn't want to get fined and he has a mullet.
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I would probably make a post on gE about how it was bullshit but not really care past that
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I would go on a hunger strike and maybe light myself on fire
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Taco bell will suffer the most
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Maybe they should've just not played shitty D at the end
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If I was Mike Gundy, I probably wouldn't want to call more attention to the time I lost to Central Michigan at home. In the past, the NCAA has been pretty clear that they aren't going to overturn the results of a game so that is all he would be doing.
I am generally against overturning the results of a game but with the last play of the game being completely erroneous, this is a game that could justify it.
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Maybe they should've just not played shitty D at the end
Maybe the refs shouldn't have let CMU run a play AFTER THE GAME HAD ENDED.
Am I bonkers here?!
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I had a Twitter meltdown and was a little embarrassed by it. OSU should do something, its pathetic that the Big 12 is just rolling over and taking this. People keep comparing this to the Miami Duke finish last year and it isn't close to the same thing. The Miami Duke game wasn't extended by a play, that was just a couple of missed calls. The 1972 Russia USA basketball game is a much better example. A two game suspension for the two crews involved is pathetic. There is no reason that the CMU win shouldn't be vacated and both referee crews fired, there is no way that OU wouldn't be given this win if it happened to them.
Another thing that is bothering me is that people are calling Mike Gundy dumb for calling that throw away play. It wasn't dumb, it was absolutely the best call. How was it Gundy's fault that Rudolph didn't get out of the pocket. I've seen that play called a thousand times, we did it last year against WVU, the lions did it yesterday. You can call them stupid for not talking to the refs about extending the play, I was sitting in my living room wondering if that was right and Mike Pererra said before the play happened that they misapplied the rule.
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Yea, I think most people are over it because OSU tried really hard to lose that game and succeeded.
FWIW - I said this at the end of that ridiculous Miami game last year, but if you can objectively determine that a game ending call was incorrect, it would make sense for there to be a mechanism where the result could be changed within 24 hours.
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You can call them stupid for not talking to the refs about extending the play, I was sitting in my living room wondering if that was right and Mike Pererra said before the play happened that they misapplied the rule.
This is another thing that keeps OSU from complaining too much. You have at least a dozen coaches on the sideline and none of them know that rule? Maybe they just figured there was an exception in that circumstance? I do think there is an element of unfairness in being able to commit a penalty on the last play that works in your favor.
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Gundy should've done all of d-rew's things on the field after the refs said there'd be an untimed down and before the untimed down happened, if he even knew the rule. If he didn't even know and only knows now b/c of the tv ref guy or mir and his rulebook phone app, it's too late for him to bitch.
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I had a Twitter meltdown and was a little embarrassed by it. OSU should do something, its pathetic that the Big 12 is just rolling over and taking this. People keep comparing this to the Miami Duke finish last year and it isn't close to the same thing. The Miami Duke game wasn't extended by a play, that was just a couple of missed calls. The 1972 Russia USA basketball game is a much better example. A two game suspension for the two crews involved is pathetic. There is no reason that the CMU win shouldn't be vacated and both referee crews fired, there is no way that OU wouldn't be given this win if it happened to them.
Another thing that is bothering me is that people are calling Mike Gundy dumb for.calling that throw away play. It wasn't dumb, it was absolutely the best call. How was it Gundy's fault that Rudolph didn't get out of the pocket. I've seen that play called a thousand times, we did it last year against WVU, the lions did it yesterday. You can call them stupid for not talking to the refs about extending the play, I was sitting in my living room wondering if that was right and Mike Pererra said before the play happened that they misapplied the rule.
agree 100%. even if Rudolph didn't get out of the pocket, STILL NOT DUMB. because who cares if it's intentional grounding? game over either way.
the only dumb thing OSU has done is not make a huge stink after the refs decided to give CMU a play. although, generally speaking, it's not too ridiculous to expect the officials to know and properly apply the rules of the game. i'm generally pretty lenient on officials because, hey, they make mistakes, they miss things sometimes -- the game moves quickly and a missed hold here or there isn't 100% outcome determinative. but this one was. in this instance, the call was not a judgment call issue. it was 100% just applying the procedural rules of the game to determine whether or not the game had ended.
what injustice occurs if OSU is given the win? what argument could CMU possibly make if they were determined the losers?
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This may have been a better play call to end the game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZa0ZNdRBSY&t=17m46s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZa0ZNdRBSY&t=17m46s)
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Is this the first instance of Pereira being correct?
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Anyone blaming the Gundy play call is stupid. Clearly the game should have been over regardless of Rudolph being in or out of the pocket.
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Another thing that bothers me is how people are minimizing how good CMU is. OSU shouldn't have lost to be sure but people are acting like CMU is as shitty as Eastern Michigan. They've been to bowl games the last two years, they almost beat OSU last year, and they currently have more players in the NFL than most of the Big 12. BTW for most of this board who missed this game because they were watching the first quarter of Ohio KU, :lol: CMU plays KU in '17th and '18th but they will not have their current QB who is the best they've ever had.
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what injustice occurs if OSU is given the win? what argument could CMU possibly make if they were determined the losers?
At this point, I think Vegas would have a pretty big problem with it.
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Is this the first instance of Pereira being correct?
Maybe you can enlighten me but I'm not aware of him ever getting a rules interpretation wrong.
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what injustice occurs if OSU is given the win? what argument could CMU possibly make if they were determined the losers?
At this point, I think Vegas would have a pretty big problem with it.
Nope, CMU still covers
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If he didn't even know and only knows now b/c of the tv ref guy or mir and his rulebook phone app, it's too late for him to bitch.
Pretty sure a reporter said when asked at the end of the game Gundy just said "I need to look at the rule." So safe to say he did not make a big stink about it in real time.
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what injustice occurs if OSU is given the win? what argument could CMU possibly make if they were determined the losers?
At this point, I think Vegas would have a pretty big problem with it.
Nope, CMU still covers
Is that the only bet available?
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Is this the first instance of Pereira being correct?
Pereira's right most times, imo. It's all the other networks' kroger-brand people they've rolled out since Pereira became a thing that are wrong ever-y time. CBS's guy is the main offender, I think.
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Typing CMU can be a bit problematic if you aren't careful
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So if Gundy didn't know that even an intentional grounding would end the game (and it's seeming clear he didn't), and he still ran a play that he couldn't be 100% sure his team wouldn't execute in the one hilariously bad way that wouldn't end the game in that questionable (to him) rule situation, then the whole debacle is on him.
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Is this the first instance of Pereira being correct?
Maybe you can enlighten me but I'm not aware of him ever getting a rules interpretation wrong.
He's probably correct about rule interpretations, but he's a dang moron when it comes to video reviews. I suppose you could argue that the refs are just always wrong, but that doesn't seem likely to me.
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Is this the first instance of Pereira being correct?
Pereira's right most times, imo. It's all the other networks' kroger-brand people they've rolled out since Pereira became a thing that are wrong ever-y time. CBS's guy is the main offender, I think.
CBS fired him because he became a running joke to people but even Mike Carey wasn't wrong about rules interpretations, they were using him to guess what replay officials would confirm or overturn
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what injustice occurs if OSU is given the win? what argument could CMU possibly make if they were determined the losers?
At this point, I think Vegas would have a pretty big problem with it.
Nope, CMU still covers
Is that the only bet available?
Well I don't know what the o/u was but I'm guessing that the 57 they ended up with is still under. I doubt they were taking props and second half bets for CMU OSU.
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it's not crazy to expect the officials to know whether or not the game is over. you shouldn't have to wonder - in game - whether these professional referees actually know the rules.
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and frankly, it doesn't matter what gundy knew. completely irrelevant. the bottom line is that when the game actually ended, by the rules, Oklahoma State was winning. and yet they lost.
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Typing CMU can be a bit problematic if you aren't careful
If only you knew how often I have caught mistyped versions of cmu in professional emails... Luckily I always check that throughly before sending
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http://www.pistolsfiringblog.com/mac-official-who-called-oklahoma-state-game-admits-error-cowboys-could-challenge/
Apparently CMU would have to agree to overturn the call, if they challenge it. Wow!
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and frankly, it doesn't matter what gundy knew. completely irrelevant. the bottom line is that when the game actually ended, by the rules, Oklahoma State was winning. and yet they lost.
If Gundy knew the rule, he should've physically show the refs the rule and raise hell and not leave the field before the untimed down until the refs heard him out and ended the game. Get your objection on the record
If Gundy didn't know the rule, he shouldn't have called that play and put his team in a spot where they could eff themselves.
Either way, it's on Gundy.
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there's probably been an instance or two of general confusion for one of the aggieville Chinese food purveyors
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https://twitter.com/kylefredrickson/status/774712712416796673
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Wait a minute, knowing the rule or not shouldn't have dictated whether or not he asked Rudolph to throw the ball away, Rudolph didn't properly execute the play, he needed to take two more steps.
He is absolutely wrong for not even asking the officials if they are sure they are applying the rule correctly. If he asked they could have and should have call up to the booth, they do have a rule book. No one, before Saturday, had seen a game extend because of an offensive penalty, Gundy and the OSU coaches should have slowed that sit down and got some clarification.
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http://www.pistolsfiringblog.com/mac-official-who-called-oklahoma-state-game-admits-error-cowboys-could-challenge/
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Apparently CMU would have to agree to overturn the call, if they challenge it. Wow!
If it was K-State in CMU's position, they would've already agreed to overturn it, offered an apology to OSU fans, and sent a $5,000 donation to OSU for the players having to have an undeserving sad post game meal.
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https://twitter.com/kylefredrickson/status/774712712416796673
Two absurdities here:
1. College football thinking that the only way to reverse a game result is for the beneficiary to say no thanks is laughable.
2. LOL at CMU even taking 3 seconds to think about this. That win could be a potential windfall for that school outdid they need it for bowl eligibility, that loss essentially means nothing to OSU. They win out they're in the playoff.
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Wait a minute, knowing the rule or not shouldn't have dictated whether or not he asked Rudolph to throw the ball away, Rudolph didn't properly execute the play, he needed to take two more steps.
If he didn't know the rule, meaning he thought that an intentional grounding wouldn't end the game or he wasn't sure about it, he shouldn't have called that play b/c clearly he shouldn't have had confidence that his team could execute it correctly. He should've had a receiver going down to the corner of the endzone and had his guy throw it 15 feet past that guy, or ran any of the other dozens of plays they could've ran out the clock w/o putting themselves in jeopardy under his uninformed understanding of the rule.
He is absolutely wrong for not even asking the officials if they are sure they are applying the rule correctly. If he asked they could have and should have call up to the booth, they do have a rule book. No one, before Saturday, had seen a game extend because of an offensive penalty, Gundy and the OSU coaches should have slowed that sit down and got some clarification.
Yep, and his failure to do so precludes him from crying about it now imo.
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the loss means nothing to OSU?
hey, OSU just lost at home to CMU. CMU may not be chopped liver, but 6 wins isn't a given for the pokes.
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A buddy of mine is on the coaching staff at CMU, he seemed pretty jazzed about the whole situation.
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CMU should agree to overturn the game if OSU agrees to schedule them again and pay CMU $5 million to cover program expenses.
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the loss means nothing to OSU?
hey, OSU just lost at home to CMU. CMU may not be chopped liver, but 6 wins isn't a given for the pokes.
I would laugh my ass off if OSU only finishes with five wins, we know their APR isn't getting them into a bowl.
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Wait a minute, knowing the rule or not shouldn't have dictated whether or not he asked Rudolph to throw the ball away, Rudolph didn't properly execute the play, he needed to take two more steps.
If he didn't know the rule, meaning he thought that an intentional grounding wouldn't end the game or he wasn't sure about it, he shouldn't have called that play b/c clearly he shouldn't have had confidence that his team could execute it correctly. He should've had a receiver going down to the corner of the endzone and had his guy throw it 15 feet past that guy, or ran any of the other dozens of plays they could've ran out the clock w/o putting themselves in jeopardy under his uninformed understanding of the rule.
He is absolutely wrong for not even asking the officials if they are sure they are applying the rule correctly. If he asked they could have and should have call up to the booth, they do have a rule book. No one, before Saturday, had seen a game extend because of an offensive penalty, Gundy and the OSU coaches should have slowed that sit down and got some clarification.
Yep, and his failure to do so precludes him from crying about it now imo.
why on earth does it preclude him from crying about it now? his subjective knowledge of the rule doesn't affect whether or not the rule exists. he can say "yeah, I didn't know the rule. but now I do, and the rule says the game is over and we win." when officials wrongly extend the game, they should be corrected. period. and gundy downplaying the finish makes him look embarrassed and weak to me. if I were one of his players, i'd be pretty steamed, i'd think.
in hindsight, yes, that play call is super risky from Gundy's perspective if he is under the impression that an intentional grounding penalty extends the game. but guess what, it doesn't! so objectively, and assuming the rules of football are properly applied (which is a fair assumption I might add), it was the right call.
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and frankly, it doesn't matter what gundy knew. completely irrelevant. the bottom line is that when the game actually ended, by the rules, Oklahoma State was winning. and yet they lost.
I absolutely agree with this. The officials messed up and as a direct result of that OSU lost the game.
I will say I think the rule is dumb in this instance. I think an offensive penalty that results in a change of possession should be treated like a defensive penalty in this situation with an untimed down. But that is another discussion.
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and frankly, it doesn't matter what gundy knew. completely irrelevant. the bottom line is that when the game actually ended, by the rules, Oklahoma State was winning. and yet they lost.
I absolutely agree with this. The officials messed up and as a direct result of that OSU lost the game.
I will say I think the rule is dumb in this instance. I think an offensive penalty that results in a change of possession should be treated like a defensive penalty in this situation with an untimed down. But that is another discussion.
Yep
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Saying this loss means nothing to OSU is ridiculous. Now they have to win out for a shot at the playoff whereas before they could've lost a future game. You can asterisk it all you want but 10-2 OSU with losses to CMU and OU is not getting in where a 11-1 OSU with a loss to OU would. Although unlikely, a 11-1 OSU with a loss to CMU could miss out. They could just as easily be jumped in the bowl pecking order as CMU and the loss could be the difference between the playoff or a new year's six game.
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why on earth does it preclude him from crying about it now?
Because he'd have played, and lost, under the rules as he knew them and/or he didn't preserve his (or even make an) objection for appeal. There's consequences for poor performance.
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I will say I think the rule is dumb in this instance. I think an offensive penalty that results in a change of possession should be treated like a defensive penalty in this situation with an untimed down. But that is another discussion.
Absolutely. Common sense would dictate that there should be an untimed down. Maybe common sense is what Gundy limited his decision-making factors to, as opposed to considering what the rule actually is.
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This is actually what I believe. Gundy and co. probably didn't think to complain because (1) it seemed fair at the time, and (2) they didn't think CMU had a serious chance of scoring.
I don't think it necessarily precludes Gundy from complaining about it now, but he shares a substantial part of the blame just like the KSU coaches when the refs messed up on the first down markers last year (against OSU, IIRC).
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/775357237808148482
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Pretty badass response.
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Along those lines, Gundy should be 100% focused on preparing his team for the next game. This should be handled at the AD level.
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why on earth does it preclude him from crying about it now?
Because he'd have played, and lost, under the rules as he knew them and/or he didn't preserve his (or even make an) objection for appeal. There's consequences for poor performance.
I fundamentally disagree with this proposition.
You keep hitting on this "preserving your appeal" crap, but referees aren't trial judges. As if I need an example to show this -- referees don't wait until a coach objects to a hold before deciding to throw a flag. Further, there's apparently no appeal process anyway, so what exactly would he be preserving his objection for?
Gundy's understanding of the rule means zilch when it comes to whether the officials properly determining whether or not the game was over.
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I remember Nubb boards being completely convinced they could overturn the Big XII 'ship outcome in 2009 because there was that incomplete pass before the game winning FG. They were saying "Lawyers are working on fixing it tonight". I have empathy that OSU got hosed, but I don't like the precident of changing a W to a L
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/775357237808148482
What a ridiculous response, Saban or Meyer wouldn't say that.
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I don't see much danger unless there is a chance of the process suddenly becoming political (like, "oh, look at that, the AD who is good buddies with the head of officiating just convinced them to overturn this game on a close call").
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/775357237808148482
What a ridiculous response, Saban or Meyer wouldn't say that.
They would if they were 80.
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would you guys have wanted the 5th down game outcome overturned? (like 25ish years ago I know)
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I remember Nubb boards being completely convinced they could overturn the Big XII 'ship outcome in 2009 because there was that incomplete pass before the game winning FG. They were saying "Lawyers are working on fixing it tonight". I have empathy that OSU got hosed, but I don't like the precident of changing a W to a L
I think this situation is different from that one.
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why on earth does it preclude him from crying about it now?
Because he'd have played, and lost, under the rules as he knew them and/or he didn't preserve his (or even make an) objection for appeal. There's consequences for poor performance.
I fundamentally disagree with this proposition.
You keep hitting on this "preserving your appeal" crap, but referees aren't trial judges. As if I need an example to show this -- referees don't wait until a coach objects to a hold before deciding to throw a flag. Further, there's apparently no appeal process anyway, so what exactly would he be preserving his objection for?
Gundy's understanding of the rule means zilch when it comes to whether the officials properly determining whether or not the game was over.
You want to take the game out of the refs' hands. Gundy could've done that and won, by either knowing the rules or doing almost anything other than what he did. The refs should've known and applied the rule. Gundy shouldn't have given them a chance to eff it up. He blew it, so now this has happened. He gets no sympathy or recourse.
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I remember Nubb boards being completely convinced they could overturn the Big XII 'ship outcome in 2009 because there was that incomplete pass before the game winning FG. They were saying "Lawyers are working on fixing it tonight". I have empathy that OSU got hosed, but I don't like the precident of changing a W to a L
Those two instances are in no way shape or form comparable. One was a lunatic fan base wrong about a clock ruling, the other is the official crew just deciding to go outside of what was permitted to add a play to the game.
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That's true MIR. It was so funny tho with all the "Lawyers are working on this" talk
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would you guys have wanted the 5th down game outcome overturned? (like 25ish years ago I know)
Yes, but even that game has more gray than this ending did. If they gave Missouri the ball after 4th down the game isn't over, this game was O-V-E-R and it was extended by another play.
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anyone have any coal? I'm gonna get rich by putting it up MIR and Dlews butts
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you better not.
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what injustice occurs if OSU is given the win? what argument could CMU possibly make if they were determined the losers?
At this point, I think Vegas would have a pretty big problem with it.
Nope, CMU still covers
Is that the only bet available?
Well I don't know what the o/u was but I'm guessing that the 57 they ended up with is still under. I doubt they were taking props and second half bets for CMU OSU.
O/U was above that, but I'm sure they took 2nd half bets for the game, especially given the close halftime score. Also, moneyline betting was affected. I think Jake Trotter tweeted about a fan who had $6k on the moneyline for OSU.
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I think in this case the outcome should be reversed
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Wait a minute, knowing the rule or not shouldn't have dictated whether or not he asked Rudolph to throw the ball away, Rudolph didn't properly execute the play, he needed to take two more steps.
I mean, this is true, but why didn't they have a receiver just jog down the field? If you're not sure what happens on a grounding penalty, just put a receiver on a go route and throw over his head. That part baffles me
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/775357237808148482
What a ridiculous response, Saban or Meyer wouldn't say that.
I'm so surprised that MIR doesn't see the value in admitting a mistake. (Remember saying Briles was "adorable"?)
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/775357237808148482
What a ridiculous response, Saban or Meyer wouldn't say that.
I'm so surprised that MIR doesn't see the value in admitting a mistake. (Remember saying Briles was "adorable"?)
Wait, what?
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CMU sucks ass and apparently osu sucks harder ass. That was the dumbest rough ridin' play call (reminded me of prince) imaginable, compounded by the most pathetic hail mary prevent defense imaginable. Mike Gundy is a moron, and his team is vastly overrated year in and year out. If he had an ounce of respect he would have agreed to give us our win down there last year when the refs egregiously blew the down and distance. What goes around comes around mullettard.
BTW, it would be unconscionable to allow a game to end on a 4th down intentional grounding penalty. Notwithstanding the mumped up rule, the refs got it right.
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1. The rule is dumb. If you throw it with time on the clock on 4th down, the other team should get the ball back for 1 untimed down.
2. They got the call wrong, and the NCAA should overturn it and give OSU the W. This is the only game I would advocate changing the L to a W.
3. We shouldn't even be talking about this because it was a 51 yard hail mary. If you can't defend it, you don't deserve to win.
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Meh, the rule is stupid based on change of possession but by the rules CMU's win shouldn't have happened. It doesn't matter what you think should happen, rules should be applied properly based on how they are written. OSU won the game, the play call was/is one of the best calls in terms of risk/reward you can call in that situation, it was just poorly executed. That being said, OSU's defense shouldn't have allowed that type of play to even happen to win the game.
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Your 2014 popeyes bahamas bowl runner up "good" cmu team
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400547857
:lol:
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1. The rule is dumb. If you throw it with time on the clock on 4th down, the other team should get the ball back for 1 untimed down.
2. They got the call wrong, and the NCAA should overturn it and give OSU the W. This is the only game I would advocate changing the L to a W.
3. We shouldn't even be talking about this because it was a 51 yard hail mary. If you can't defend it, you don't deserve to win.
Well said.
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CMU's QB is a stud.
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1. The rule is dumb. If you throw it with time on the clock on 4th down, the other team should get the ball back for 1 untimed down.
2. They got the call wrong, and the NCAA should overturn it and give OSU the W. This is the only game I would advocate changing the L to a W.
3. We shouldn't even be talking about this because it was a 51 yard hail mary. If you can't defend it, you don't deserve to win.
An addition to 3: the CMU QB could barely throw it 40 yards. To lose on an inverted hook and lateral in that situation makes it even worse. The only worse defense in that situation that I can think of immediately is our debacle in Boulder.
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I think the refs knew the rule, knew how patently unjust it was, refused to enforce it, and put it to osu to beat a miserably below average mac team at home.
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The only worse defense in that situation that I can think of immediately is our debacle in Boulder.
Remind me of it. Stunted and I were talking about if the cats had had any ridiculous thing like that happen to or against us and I couldn't of the top of my head
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/775357237808148482
Looks like Bill has lost his TSC.
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1K mistakes in a game seems like a lot. That would be multiple mistakes a play.
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1K mistakes in a game seems like a lot. That would be multiple mistakes a play.
Are you doubting the Legend?
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1K mistakes in a game seems like a lot. That would be multiple mistakes a play.
Are you doubting the Legend?
I've made trillions of mistakes in my life, but doubting the Legend isn't one of them.
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I think maybe Bill is counting mistakes that affect the game that he made before. Preparation, staffing, recruiting, not raising his son to be a better heir to his kingdom, stuff like all of that.
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I think the refs knew the rule, knew how patently unjust it was, refused to enforce it, and put it to osu to beat a miserably below average mac team at home.
Maybe the refs were confused by the "team in possession" language. I mean, after the play, CMU was in possession. It seems like you could get to the right result (one untimed down for CMU), while still complying with the letter of the rule, by simply concluding that OSU was no longer in possession at the end of the play.
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The only worse defense in that situation that I can think of immediately is our debacle in Boulder.
Remind me of it. Stunted and I were talking about if the cats had had any ridiculous thing like that happen to or against us and I couldn't of the top of my head
http://cjonline.com/stories/111404/cat_wildcatslose.shtml#.V9cX_JqDmJI
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I think the refs knew the rule, knew how patently unjust it was, refused to enforce it, and put it to osu to beat a miserably below average mac team at home.
this is how i feel as well
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activist refs!
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How about you don't play C. Michigan that close and let that last play happen. Jfc... The chances of that happening and you let it happen. It means Okie State sucks.
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During the KSU game they were talking about how many wins get vacated by the NCAA for stupid reasons. That brings up an interesting point. Why can't OSU have it's loss vacated? You don't have to give Central Michigan a loss, just give OSU a win (or even just erase the loss).
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How about you don't play C. Michigan that close and let that last play happen. Jfc... The chances of that happening and you let it happen. It means Okie State sucks.
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What a ridiculous take
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Oklahoma State and TTech are gonna be in a dog fight for 7th place and historically shitty defense.
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During the KSU game they were talking about how many wins get vacated by the NCAA for stupid reasons. That brings up an interesting point. Why can't OSU have it's loss vacated? You don't have to give Central Michigan a loss, just give OSU a win (or even just erase the loss).
This is the correct answer and what I thought of when it first happened. It's not fair to take a W away from Mich because they played, and won, the game as called on the field. OSU being dicked in this manner should be repairable because of the outright incompetence of the staff.
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OSU would be a bedlam win away from the playoff had the rule been properly applied.
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What scenario hurts both of the football teams in Oklahoma the most. I want that one.
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What scenario hurts both of the football teams in Oklahoma the most. I want that one.
Something like:
To make sure no one complains this much again the NCAA has decided to give OSU an extra loss. They are hoping this will "shut them up." CFP committee told to treat this extra loss as if it was to historically bad KU. If old Mullet Gundy wants to complain they'll slap on another loss and kneecap Rudolph.
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OSU would be a bedlam win away from the playoff had the rule been properly applied.
I don't think so, they'd still be behind Washington.
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OSU would be a bedlam win away from the playoff had the rule been properly applied.
I don't think so, they'd still be behind Washington.
Yeah, that Baylor loss is looking worse and worse.
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OSU would be a bedlam win away from the playoff had the rule been properly applied.
I don't think so, they'd still be behind Washington.
Yeah, that Baylor loss is looking worse and worse.
Ostate will be picked on because they're Ostate. Like KSU, no room for error..... and likely, if Baylor had Seth Russell last Saturday...no way Kstate only trails that abysmal half only down 7 points.
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OSU would be a bedlam win away from the playoff had the rule been properly applied.
I don't think so, they'd still be behind Washington.
you may be right. but they'd be right there.
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OSU would be a bedlam win away from the playoff had the rule been properly applied.
Lol, no they wouldn't. They suck, have played nobody good, and are a few bad calls from losing to isu, ksu, ku and pitt, and a bedlam loss from not being bowl eligible.
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OSU would be a bedlam win away from the playoff had the rule been properly applied.
Lol, no they wouldn't. They suck, have played nobody good, and are a few bad calls from losing to isu, ksu, ku and pitt, and a bedlam loss from not being bowl eligible.
That's really close, fsd, good point we hadn't thought about that.
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OSU would be a bedlam win away from the playoff had the rule been properly applied.
Lol, no they wouldn't. They suck, have played nobody good, and are a few bad calls from losing to isu, ksu, ku and pitt, and a bedlam loss from not being bowl eligible.
That's really close, fsd, good point we hadn't thought about that.
This is the same garbage they did last year to get into the Sugar bowl and get embarrassed on New Years bowl by their sucky team.
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hey dumbasses (Herr, FSD) --
i'm not saying OSU is some powerhouse team this year. i'm saying that at 11-1 they'd be in good shape for playoff consideration.
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Yea, they would need help but they'd be in the conversation. Surprised (but not really) that the CFP is not treating them like an 11-1 team given the facts.
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And to clarify, I'm not surprised at all because the CFP's ratings criteria seems to depend entirely on brand recognition.
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i'm not sure they should be treated 11-1 (assuming they beat OU). their record shows 2 losses. they didn't raise enough hell about it back in September, though i'm not sure what they could've done. I still think Gundy should've been more irate in his press conference and during the following week. osu should've absolutely made a big stink that they're claiming the game as a victory.
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I don't know if CFP people look at metrics, but OSU is now #29 in the combined S&P+/FEI ratings. They would move up significantly with a win over OU, but they still seem a long way away from being in the conversation. They seem a lot like the 11 Cats.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/fplus
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I don't know if CFP people look at metrics, but OSU is now #29 in the combined S&P+/FEI ratings. They would move up significantly with a win over OU, but they still seem a long way away from being in the conversation. They seem a lot like the 11 Cats.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/fplus
thinking about how i'd hypothetically be acting right now if the Cats were in OSU's shoes embarrasses me. i'd probably have quit my job already and just moved on to whining full time.
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OSU is garbage, lucky as eff to only have 2 losses, and any intimation that they are a CFP team deserves relentless ridicule and message board punishment.
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OSU is garbage, lucky as eff to only have 2 losses, and any intimation that they are a CFP team deserves relentless ridicule and message board punishment.
for goodness sake
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kick their asses FSD
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http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/19195901/oklahoma-state-cowboys-void-refs-gaffe-11-2-alamo-bowl-rings
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Welp, time to start retro actively ignoring stuff, go full Texas A&M, and start hanging some banners and adding years to signage.
I declare Michael Bishops fumble ignored and Kstate is awarded the Ed Helm 1998 Big 12 Championship.
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The officiating gaffe likely cost the Cowboys a shot to receive serious consideration for the College Football Playoff before their Week 14 loss to the Sooners.
Funny line from the article. "That BS call made us lose our opportunity to get knocked out of CFP consideration after losing to OU."
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The officiating gaffe likely cost the Cowboys a shot to receive serious consideration for the College Football Playoff before their Week 14 loss to the Sooners.
Funny line from the article. "That BS call made us lose our opportunity to get knocked out of CFP consideration after losing to OU."
Yeah, that's pretty weak sauce.