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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: MakeItRain on September 08, 2016, 12:18:22 PM
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The real purpose for this is to see how many people will be voting for Hillary since no one is willing to cape up for her. We have ardent Trump supporters, Gary supporters, and Jill supporters. Who is riding for Hil? Anyone?
Also I'd prefer the people picking the sixth option only do so who have voted in one of the last two presidential elections, if you never vote and don't plan on doing so now either, GTFO.
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Why not just add a never vote option instead of roiding out?
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I'm voting for Gary. Honestly, him having no chance of winning probably has a lot to do with it.
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Why not just add a never vote option instead of roiding out?
Because they wouldn't click it.
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I only know two ppl that are excited to vote Hill. Both are women, FWIW. One even works for a non-profit that pushes for women's rights. Both seem very obviously excited about what is/isn't between Hill's legs, and the historic component of that, rather than any actual issue.
The other ppl I know looking to vote for her don't like that they are about to vote for her.
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Not planning to vote for Hilldawg, although there is still a chance she could change my mind.
I think not voting as a sign of protest is kinda dumb considering how few people vote anyway.
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#TeamJill
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Man, it seems that all the Trump betas were just trolling. :dunno:
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Can you add an undecided feature as of right now MIR?
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I still haven't decided between Gary & Hillary. There are big things that are unpleasant about her, but I REALLY don't want Trump to win.
It is like the prisoner's dilemma. Do I vote for Hillary in the expectation that only her & Trump have a chance or do I just assume that Trump is winning Kansas and go ahead to use my vote as a protest/try to help the 3rd party get more prestige for next time?
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I couldn't tell you one thing about Gary, other than he's going to lose.
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Low information voters are one of the major problems in our system, Wacks.
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Yeah, I know, just disgruntled with my parties option.
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Yeah, I know, just disgruntled with my parties option.
So do some research. Don't mope.
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I couldn't tell you one thing about Gary, other than he's going to lose.
I look at a vote for Gary as more of a vote for his party than a vote for the man himself. If he actually had a chance to win, I'd have to take things like him not knowing what Aleppo is a lot more seriously. You don't really need to know anything about Gary, other than he's not a part of Trump's party and he's not Hillary Clinton. He can't win, anyway.
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He was a gov. I mean, it seems like it might be easy enough to maybe look into that a little :dunno:
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Your identity is [redacted], not republicancat08. You're not married to the god damn GOP. You don't owe the GOP anything, and the GOP doesn't give a eff about you, anyway. Take a look at all of the candidate's platforms and cast your vote for the person who most aligns with your beliefs. It's not hard, but it does take a little effort.
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Johnson gets a major mark down from me for not knowing what Aleppo was. Pretty bad when a presidential candidate doesn't know what ground zero of a massive humanitarian crisis is.
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Well, Trump had a similar issue with an Iraq discussion a few months ago, and we all know how you feel about Hill and her foreign policy.
Who's left, Dax?
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There's still Jill Stein, I guess.
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Well, Trump had a similar issue with an Iraq discussion a few months ago, and we all know how you feel about Hill and her foreign policy.
Who's left, Dax?
Yeah, can't vote for the earpiece or the hairpiece. This sucks.
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Well, if we are eliminating ppl based on one stupid thing they have said, Jill wouldn't dismiss antivaxers due to there "still being a lot of questions that need to be answered" as to if vaccines cause autism and whatnot.
So, who you got now?
It seems we need to ignore half of what anyone is saying to figure out who to vote for.
Hill: not willing to overlook security stuff with email.
Trump: specifically asked an international advisor 3 times in one hour why we can't just use nukes on others
Gary: didn't know what Alleppo was
Out of those three, I take Gary.
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I'm voting Hillary and am not excited about it. Trump is just catastrophic bad imo. I would encourage people to vote Stein or Johnson if they like either candidate. I hate the thinking that one of the major parties is entitled to your vote just because they have a more likely winner.
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Honestly, Jill's anti-vaxer friendly policy wouldn't even register among my concerns with the Green Party platform. Things like wanting a moratorium on GMOs and pesticides, ending high-stakes testing while also making college education free, eliminating uranium mines, fracking, tar sands extraction, etc would make basic living very difficult for the average American. I do like a lot of her stances on social policy.
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That's a fair criticism of the GP platform, as a green myself I reconcile that by telling myself that the platform literally lives on the fringes of environmental policy simply as a way to distance ourselves from the Democratic party who have put special interests ahead of sound policy.
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Your identity is [redacted], not republicancat08. You're not married to the god damn GOP. You don't owe the GOP anything, and the GOP doesn't give a eff about you, anyway. Take a look at all of the candidate's platforms and cast your vote for the person who most aligns with your beliefs. It's not hard, but it does take a little effort.
Fair! Good point. :thumbs:
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I guess I just look at a 3rd party vote, as a wasted vote, but that's kind of dumb too. There's no way he could be as bad as the other two options tho. Will do some research.
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I'm very excited for a woman president. It will be good for American society, even if she is careless with classified info. I'm sure my take is influenced by the fact that I have two daughters and the fact that Trump is a complete buffoon (as I've mentioned before).
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This poll is invalid without a Harambe option.
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So, an example of a woman as president for your daughters to see is more important than god knows what being left accessible to pretty much any state department with a moderate level of cyber ability?
That seems silly.
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Would an ultra conservative woman president be good for American society?
Would a relatable, seemingly decent person who is s conservative like say Nikki Haley be as good, worse, or better for America than a win at all cost, me first, overly ambitious, shifting moderate/liberal?
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If you feel really strongly, I'll sell you my vote, both in this poll and the real election.
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Oh, God. If I go through the trouble of registering and going to the polling place on election day, I'm casting my own damn vote, not someone else's. Unless it's like $100 or something.
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So, an example of a woman as president for your daughters to see is more important than god knows what being left accessible to pretty much any state department with a moderate level of cyber ability?
That seems silly.
I've said many times that I think the government keeps too many secrets. I don't think I am any less safe because of Hillary's carelessness (or deliberate breaking of the law). So yeah, a female president is more important.
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I'm expecting I'll be able to do it all by mail, so it's no extra effort for me.
How much do you really value who you got???
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Would an ultra conservative woman president be good for American society?
Would a relatable, seemingly decent person who is s conservative like say Nikki Haley be as good, worse, or better for America than a win at all cost, me first, overly ambitious, shifting moderate/liberal?
This is a good point. I disagree with a lot of what she's done, but I don't find Hillary's policies/history objectionable enough to disqualify her in this election.
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Hilary
Donald Trump isn't a serious candidate.
Things aren't bad for me or people I know so Hilary is 4 more years of that.
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Would an ultra conservative woman president be good for American society?
Would a relatable, seemingly decent person who is s conservative like say Nikki Haley be as good, worse, or better for America than a win at all cost, me first, overly ambitious, shifting moderate/liberal?
This is a good point. I disagree with a lot of what she's done, but I don't find Hillary's policies/history objectionable enough to disqualify her in this election.
Thanks
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I mean, she has definitely committed crimes that are punishable by jail time. That's pretty close to a DQ.
That said, what better way to show equality between women and men by electing a woman president just as corrupt as any other man to hold the office.
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Things aren't bad for me or people I know so Hilary is 4 more years of that.
I'm still not voting for her but this is a great point. Hopefully she isn't serious about how she says she feels about the ACA though.
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So, an example of a woman as president for your daughters to see is more important than god knows what being left accessible to pretty much any state department with a moderate level of cyber ability?
That seems silly.
I've said many times that I think the government keeps too many secrets. I don't think I am any less safe because of Hillary's carelessness (or deliberate breaking of the law). So yeah, a female president is more important.
She was careless with classified information because she was trying to keep her own business secret from the press. If you don't like government secrets, that's actually a good reason to not vote for her. I think she's better overall than Trump, though.
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Gary Johnson appears to not be dying so I'm going to vote for him.
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Gary Johnson appears to not be dying so I'm going to vote for him.
Pffttt. Hillary will kill his ass if he does win.
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let he who hasn't committed a crime punishable by jail time cast the first stone
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I'm very excited for a woman president. It will be good for American society, even if she is careless with classified info. I'm sure my take is influenced by the fact that I have two daughters and the fact that Trump is a complete buffoon (as I've mentioned before).
Ivanka is a better role model
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2 voters for WUD. I would not be suprised if he loses Kansas. So I am starting the rumor he will name Brownback Ag. Secretary. YIPPE NEW GOVERNOR!!
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I'm very excited for a woman president. It will be good for American society, even if she is careless with classified info. I'm sure my take is influenced by the fact that I have two daughters and the fact that Trump is a complete buffoon (as I've mentioned before).
Ivanka is a better role model
I'm guessing that rusty has higher aspirations for his daughters than third trophy wife. I certainly do.
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I'm very excited for a woman president. It will be good for American society, even if she is careless with classified info. I'm sure my take is influenced by the fact that I have two daughters and the fact that Trump is a complete buffoon (as I've mentioned before).
Ivanka is a better role model
I'm guessing that rusty has higher aspirations for his daughters than third trophy wife. I certainly do.
Ivanka is his daughter. The one he wants to bone.
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I'm very excited for a woman president. It will be good for American society, even if she is careless with classified info. I'm sure my take is influenced by the fact that I have two daughters and the fact that Trump is a complete buffoon (as I've mentioned before).
Ivanka is a better role model
I'm guessing that rusty has higher aspirations for his daughters than third trophy wife. I certainly do.
Ivanka is his daughter. The one he wants to bone.
Who doesn't? :love: :drool: :fatty:
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I'm very excited for a woman president. It will be good for American society, even if she is careless with classified info. I'm sure my take is influenced by the fact that I have two daughters and the fact that Trump is a complete buffoon (as I've mentioned before).
Ivanka is a better role model
I'm guessing that rusty has higher aspirations for his daughters than third trophy wife. I certainly do.
it's a bit misogynist to dismiss her success and personality because of her beauty. and racist
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I chose Hillary under the idea that I still lived in a state that won't clearly go democrat. I'll vote because I think it is important on a local level, but there is a pretty good chance my presidential box goes unchecked.
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I'm very excited for a woman president. It will be good for American society, even if she is careless with classified info. I'm sure my take is influenced by the fact that I have two daughters and the fact that Trump is a complete buffoon (as I've mentioned before).
Ivanka is a better role model
I'm guessing that rusty has higher aspirations for his daughters than third trophy wife. I certainly do.
Ivanka is his daughter. The one he wants to bone.
Oh damn, my fault. I don't know much about her other than she is on the apprentice and doesn't seem as creepy as her big brothers.
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she's definitely the crown jewel of the fam
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No, she's awful just like the other Trumps.
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She had all kinds of socialist crap in her convention speech :curse:
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She's a registered democrat. Couldn't even vote for Donald in the primary.
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I don't care what the candidate is registered as, if they don't crap themselves in a public forum, I'd vote for them right now. How pissed is Ross Pero? Sp*
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I'm voting for Hillary because she's the most qualified candidate ever and idgaf about deleted emails.
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This is a great cheat sheet
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How in the hell is ell a die hard Alabama fan and a flaming liberal at the same time? Doesn't add up.
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I strongly question the mental capacity of anyone who voluntarily votes for hill or don.
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Not planning to vote for Hilldawg, although there is still a chance she could change my mind.
I think not voting as a sign of protest is kinda dumb considering how few people vote anyway.
I'll vote for every other office/amendment etc on the ballot
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I sent in the registration papers like 3 weeks ago and haven't heard anything. Probably voter suppression
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Not planning to vote for Hilldawg, although there is still a chance she could change my mind.
I think not voting as a sign of protest is kinda dumb considering how few people vote anyway.
I'll vote for every other office/amendment etc on the ballot
So you really feel there is no presidential candidate you could vote for in good conscience, but you are confident enough in every other candidate running for other offices? Or is it more like you're just not voting because you don't like the republican nominee?
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I'm voting for the ultra corrupt candidate who has aligned themselves and received massive monetary support from some of the worst people on the planet and will owe them copious favors when said person is elected president. They are also a huge war monger, engaged in driving policy which has ostensibly destroyed huge swaths of the Middle East while kick starting the worst relations with the second largest nuclear power in the world and initiated a political climate that's driven the world closer to world war. Not to mention this person is beholden to Wall Street and by political contribution numbers Big Oil.
Why? Because she's a women.
#cantarguewiththat
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I'm voting for the ultra corrupt candidate who has aligned themselves and received massive monetary support from some of the worst people on the planet and will owe them copious favors when said person is elected president. They are also a huge war monger, engaged in driving policy which has ostensibly destroyed huge swaths of the Middle East while kick starting the worst relations with the second largest nuclear power in the world and initiated a political climate that's driven the world closer to world war. Not to mention this person is beholden to Wall Street and by political contribution numbers Big Oil.
Why? Because she's a women.
#cantarguewiththat
Its either that or Trump
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I'm voting for the ultra corrupt candidate who has aligned themselves and received massive monetary support from some of the worst people on the planet and will owe them copious favors when said person is elected president. They are also a huge war monger, engaged in driving policy which has ostensibly destroyed huge swaths of the Middle East while kick starting the worst relations with the second largest nuclear power in the world and initiated a political climate that's driven the world closer to world war. Not to mention this person is beholden to Wall Street and by political contribution numbers Big Oil.
Why? Because she's a women.
#cantarguewiththat
Its either that or Trump
With Johnson and Trump you get very little of that.
LOL suddenly ProgLibs want to start going full Rambo on Russia. Putin: Just not the right kind of dictator for Prog-Libs, not enough beheadings and subjugation of women.
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Libs: Hey if you're not the kind of dictator who is willing to stand by and watch bound people accused of being gay get tossed off of five story buildings then you're just not a guy we can do business with.
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I'm voting for the ultra corrupt candidate who has aligned themselves and received massive monetary support from some of the worst people on the planet and will owe them copious favors when said person is elected president. They are also a huge war monger, engaged in driving policy which has ostensibly destroyed huge swaths of the Middle East while kick starting the worst relations with the second largest nuclear power in the world and initiated a political climate that's driven the world closer to world war. Not to mention this person is beholden to Wall Street and by political contribution numbers Big Oil.
Why? Because she's a women.
#cantarguewiththat
Its either that or Trump
With Johnson and Trump you get very little of that.
LOL suddenly ProgLibs want to start going full Rambo on Russia. Putin: Just not the right kind of dictator for Prog-Libs, not enough beheadings and subjugation of women.
I don't give a crap about Russia, they are a sand fly
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I'm voting for the ultra corrupt candidate who has aligned themselves and received massive monetary support from some of the worst people on the planet and will owe them copious favors when said person is elected president. They are also a huge war monger, engaged in driving policy which has ostensibly destroyed huge swaths of the Middle East while kick starting the worst relations with the second largest nuclear power in the world and initiated a political climate that's driven the world closer to world war. Not to mention this person is beholden to Wall Street and by political contribution numbers Big Oil.
Why? Because she's a women.
#cantarguewiththat
Its either that or Trump
With Johnson and Trump you get very little of that.
LOL suddenly ProgLibs want to start going full Rambo on Russia. Putin: Just not the right kind of dictator for Prog-Libs, not enough beheadings and subjugation of women.
I don't give a crap about Russia, they are a sand fly
But the Dem party is obsessed with Russia and Putin.
BTW the British Military is telling their political leaders that by and large British elements of NATO operations would likely be no match for a full blown Russian military move in Eastern Europe.
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I'm voting for the ultra corrupt candidate who has aligned themselves and received massive monetary support from some of the worst people on the planet and will owe them copious favors when said person is elected president. They are also a huge war monger, engaged in driving policy which has ostensibly destroyed huge swaths of the Middle East while kick starting the worst relations with the second largest nuclear power in the world and initiated a political climate that's driven the world closer to world war. Not to mention this person is beholden to Wall Street and by political contribution numbers Big Oil.
Why? Because she's a women.
#cantarguewiththat
nothing in your first paragraph makes her particularly unique in our modern 2-party system. The same could be said (basically) about all major-party candidates in my lifetime.
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I'm voting for the ultra corrupt candidate who has aligned themselves and received massive monetary support from some of the worst people on the planet and will owe them copious favors when said person is elected president. They are also a huge war monger, engaged in driving policy which has ostensibly destroyed huge swaths of the Middle East while kick starting the worst relations with the second largest nuclear power in the world and initiated a political climate that's driven the world closer to world war. Not to mention this person is beholden to Wall Street and by political contribution numbers Big Oil.
Why? Because she's a women.
#cantarguewiththat
nothing in your first paragraph makes her particularly unique in our modern 2-party system. The same could be said (basically) about all major-party candidates in my lifetime.
The scope and scale is unparalleled. Even Nixon was chump change, the indiscretions of the Kennedy's child's play in comparison.
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I'd vote for Hilldawg just to get Dax, FSD, KSUW & Co to give me 4 years of the gems they are already hitting me with in the Pit. Though I'm pretty sure Dax may have an aneurysm from the whole thing at that would make me.
Sad
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I'm voting for the ultra corrupt candidate who has aligned themselves and received massive monetary support from some of the worst people on the planet and will owe them copious favors when said person is elected president. They are also a huge war monger, engaged in driving policy which has ostensibly destroyed huge swaths of the Middle East while kick starting the worst relations with the second largest nuclear power in the world and initiated a political climate that's driven the world closer to world war. Not to mention this person is beholden to Wall Street and by political contribution numbers Big Oil.
Why? Because she's a women.
#cantarguewiththat
nothing in your first paragraph makes her particularly unique in our modern 2-party system. The same could be said (basically) about all major-party candidates in my lifetime.
The scope and scale is unparalleled. Even Nixon was chump change, the indiscretions of the Kennedy's child's play in comparison.
Nixon was chump change? :lol:
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I'm voting for the ultra corrupt candidate who has aligned themselves and received massive monetary support from some of the worst people on the planet and will owe them copious favors when said person is elected president. They are also a huge war monger, engaged in driving policy which has ostensibly destroyed huge swaths of the Middle East while kick starting the worst relations with the second largest nuclear power in the world and initiated a political climate that's driven the world closer to world war. Not to mention this person is beholden to Wall Street and by political contribution numbers Big Oil.
Why? Because she's a women.
#cantarguewiththat
nothing in your first paragraph makes her particularly unique in our modern 2-party system. The same could be said (basically) about all major-party candidates in my lifetime.
The scope and scale is unparalleled. Even Nixon was chump change, the indiscretions of the Kennedy's child's play in comparison.
Nixon was chump change? :lol:
We are talking about candidates, right?
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How old do you think I am dax? :lol:
And yeah, the Watergate broke before his second term.
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Well, I suppose we can count incumbents. Yay Rusty, you made a point!
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Well, I suppose we can count incumbents. Yay Rusty, you made a point!
well I mean Nixon prolonged the Vietnam War in 68 so he could end the war after elected but yeah chump change and incumbent only.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vietnam-war-for-political-gainand-johnson-knew-about-it-newly-unclassified-tapes-suggest-3595441/?no-ist
Also not in my lifetime you adorable old coot!
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Well, I suppose we can count incumbents. Yay Rusty, you made a point!
well I mean Nixon prolonged the Vietnam War in 68 so he could end the war after elected but yeah chump change and incumbent only.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vietnam-war-for-political-gainand-johnson-knew-about-it-newly-unclassified-tapes-suggest-3595441/?no-ist
Also not in my lifetime you adorable old coot!
While that's understood, that Nixon did prolong the war, he was also under great pressure to achieve "peace with honor", and he did set forth the process of "Vietmization" which withdrew U.S. Troops and got the Paris Peace Talks going. Whereas Hillary is pretty much all about perpetual war and was by and large not a real diplomat as SOS.
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Hillary Clinton, she's barely worse than Richard Nixon so I'm voting for her.
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Lol, wtf :lol:
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Vote for Hillary - Champion of the Muslim Brotherhood!
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Not planning to vote for Hilldawg, although there is still a chance she could change my mind.
I think not voting as a sign of protest is kinda dumb considering how few people vote anyway.
I'll vote for every other office/amendment etc on the ballot
So you really feel there is no presidential candidate you could vote for in good conscience, but you are confident enough in every other candidate running for other offices? Or is it more like you're just not voting because you don't like the republican nominee?
I can't bring myself to vote for a pro-choice president. Local offices I don't think it makes as big an impact as someone appointing a supreme court justice.
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Alright, that is a fair point. That's my biggest gripe about Garebear.
Edit: Still, a pro choice libertarian president can appoint justices who don't believe in making up constitutional rights to shoehorn in stuff like we have now. My point being a pro choice justice could still overturn something like Roe v. Wade, leaving you with the same result.
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As long as there are ppl who let their religious wedge issues drive their vote, there will be what the right is now.
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As long as there are ppl who let their religious wedge issues drive their vote, there will be what the right is now.
so its religion's fault we're stuck with a 2 party system that picked Clinton and Donald freaking Trump?
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As long as there are ppl who let their religious wedge issues drive their vote, there will be what the right is now.
so its religion's fault we're stuck with a 2 party system that picked Clinton and Donald freaking Trump?
Partly, at least, yes.
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interesting
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Back to my point: the current right to abortion debate is largely driven by religious groups, but it is ultimately just as much a states' rights question. And I suspect most wedge issues you mention are the same way.
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Cf3, I luv u bro, but I absolutely can not understand being a one issue voter to ban something that has zero effect on you. If your religion doesn't like abortions then don't get one :dunno:
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Yeah, I just don't get people who think the government needs to put more non-violent offenders in jail.
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Or jam religious beliefs down our throats.
I mean, Should we at least look into if adulterers should be stoned to death too?
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Cf3, I luv u bro, but I absolutely can not understand being a one issue voter to ban something that has zero effect on you. If your religion doesn't like abortions then don't get one :dunno:
luv u 2
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Cf3, I luv u bro, but I absolutely can not understand being a one issue voter to ban something that has zero effect on you. If your religion doesn't like abortions then don't get one :dunno:
I mean, also Syria and a wall between us and Mexico don't really impact me much either but I am allowed to have opinions on it. Police violence against African Americans doesn't impact ME but it impacts my fellow citizen and another human person with whom I share a space with. I can care about stuff that doesn't effect me if it effects someone else.
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Or jam religious beliefs down our throats.
I mean, Should we at least look into if adulterers should be stoned to death too?
Don't want this to become another abortion thread, but there is a big difference between thinking certain behavior should be punished and whether the federal government has a right to determine what is and isn't acceptable. I think Roe v. Wade is BS just like I think federal criminalization of marijuana is BS.
Lots of pro-lifers voting for president simply believe the states should decide the issue (though obviously they would also support local candidates who would restrict abortions).
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For a country that prides itself on freedom, we sure have a bunch of ppl eager to limit the freedom of others.
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Cf3, I luv u bro, but I absolutely can not understand being a one issue voter to ban something that has zero effect on you. If your religion doesn't like abortions then don't get one :dunno:
I mean, also Syria and a wall between us and Mexico don't really impact me much either but I am allowed to have opinions on it. Police violence against African Americans doesn't impact ME but it impacts my fellow citizen and another human person with whom I share a space with. I can care about stuff that doesn't effect me if it effects someone else.
Cruelty to animals, discrimination against minorities, etc., etc.
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For a country that prides itself on freedom, we sure have a bunch of ppl eager to limit the freedom of others.
What, because we have laws?
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guys, we have a thread for this stuff. lets stick with MIR's topic of who you got
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:driving:
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Got Garebear. Didn't vote on the survey because it would be a waste.
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Cf3, I luv u bro, but I absolutely can not understand being a one issue voter to ban something that has zero effect on you. If your religion doesn't like abortions then don't get one :dunno:
I mean, also Syria and a wall between us and Mexico don't really impact me much either but I am allowed to have opinions on it. Police violence against African Americans doesn't impact ME but it impacts my fellow citizen and another human person with whom I share a space with. I can care about stuff that doesn't effect me if it effects someone else.
I wouldn't understand a one issue voter for those either.
You essentially said if someone had exactly the views you share for every issue except they are pro-choice then you wouldn't vote for them. That's insane imo
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"There's no way I could ever vote for someone who is pro-gay sex" is pretty much the exact same thing
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I could never vote for someone who is pro-shellfish
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There is no way I could vote for someone that is pro-tattoo
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"I could never vote for someone who wants to legalize puppy torturing"
"No way would I vote for someone who says anti-discrimination laws need to go"
Am I doing it right?
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I kind of get not voting someone who is pro-choice because you consider abortion murder. I don't know how you could really consider abortion murder and not do more about it than not vote for Hillary or Gary Johnson.
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You mean like vote Trump? :excited:
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Edn, I know you're dumb, but even you probably understand why those are ridiculous examples
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My bad. I thought we were doing single issue things that have no direct impact on us voters.
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Guess I was wrong, you don't know why it was ridiculous
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As long as there are ppl who let their religious wedge issues drive their vote, there will be what the right is now.
so its religion's fault we're stuck with a 2 party system that picked Clinton and Donald freaking Trump?
Sure is. If Christians could manage to mind their own business we could actually have a viable Republican party that could keep the democrats honest, but alas we're left with this poop.
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As long as there are ppl who let their religious wedge issues drive their vote, there will be what the right is now.
so its religion's fault we're stuck with a 2 party system that picked Clinton and Donald freaking Trump?
Sure is. If Christians could manage to mind their own business we could actually have a viable Republican party that could keep the democrats honest, but alas we're left with this poop.
It seems to me you are actually critiquing these Christians' non-adherence to their own religion as opposed to religion generally. Your post doesn't imply to me that you seriously believe a world free of religion would have produced better candidates this cycle.
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As long as there are ppl who let their religious wedge issues drive their vote, there will be what the right is now.
so its religion's fault we're stuck with a 2 party system that picked Clinton and Donald freaking Trump?
Sure is. If Christians could manage to mind their own business we could actually have a viable Republican party that could keep the democrats honest, but alas we're left with this poop.
It seems to me you are actually critiquing these Christians' non-adherence to their own religion as opposed to religion generally. Your post doesn't imply to me that you seriously believe a world free of religion would have produced better candidates this cycle.
No one is saying a world free of religion. Just politics free of religion.
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Got Garebear. Didn't vote on the survey because it would be a waste.
Are you intentionally weird?
Edn
wait, what? How in the hell did I miss this?
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As long as there are ppl who let their religious wedge issues drive their vote, there will be what the right is now.
so its religion's fault we're stuck with a 2 party system that picked Clinton and Donald freaking Trump?
Sure is. If Christians could manage to mind their own business we could actually have a viable Republican party that could keep the democrats honest, but alas we're left with this poop.
It seems to me you are actually critiquing these Christians' non-adherence to their own religion as opposed to religion generally. Your post doesn't imply to me that you seriously believe a world free of religion would have produced better candidates this cycle.
No I'm speaking to the fact that many Christians, particularly Conservative Christians feel like their beliefs should drive policy and how they live their lives. Most religious people live their own lives and don't make a career out of trying to live the lives of the entire country. In America conservative christians don't seem to understand that they can live full, righteous lives without worrying about how strangers want to live, its infuriating because its the biggest obstacle to a more efficient and accountable government.
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Got Garebear. Didn't vote on the survey because it would be a waste.
Are you intentionally weird?
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wait, what? How in the hell did I miss this?
1. Sometimes (FYI - I actually did not vote because that is not an option on my phone)
2. Lib is wrong often enough I don't bother trying to correct him.
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As long as there are ppl who let their religious wedge issues drive their vote, there will be what the right is now.
so its religion's fault we're stuck with a 2 party system that picked Clinton and Donald freaking Trump?
Sure is. If Christians could manage to mind their own business we could actually have a viable Republican party that could keep the democrats honest, but alas we're left with this poop.
It seems to me you are actually critiquing these Christians' non-adherence to their own religion as opposed to religion generally. Your post doesn't imply to me that you seriously believe a world free of religion would have produced better candidates this cycle.
No I'm speaking to the fact that many Christians, particularly Conservative Christians feel like their beliefs should drive policy and how they live their lives. Most religious people live their own lives and don't make a career out of trying to live the lives of the entire country. In America conservative christians don't seem to understand that they can live full, righteous lives without worrying about how strangers want to live, its infuriating because its the biggest obstacle to a more efficient and accountable government.
lol you can't truly believe that.
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No I'm speaking to the fact that many Christians, particularly Conservative Christians feel like their beliefs should drive policy and how they live their lives. Most religious people live their own lives and don't make a career out of trying to live the lives of the entire country. In America conservative christians don't seem to understand that they can live full, righteous lives without worrying about how strangers want to live, its infuriating because its the biggest obstacle to a more efficient and accountable government.
I just don't see this as a religion issue, like, at all. First, Christians probably make up a large segment (if not the majority) of every political party. So your gripe is really with conservatives more so than conservative Christians. Second, the "worrying about how strangers want to live" is in no way unique to religious groups. Any law by its nature has some impact on how people are permitted to live their lives. A green party member might want to regulate a household's use of water, energy, or fossil fuels, independent of any religious reason. That still has a pretty substantial impact on how people choose to live. There is also an ironic twist because conservatives in general want the federal government to be less involved in the practices of individuals and business than liberals.
People in a society are always going to want to "force" their beliefs on others in that society. Those beliefs might happen to be based in religion, but they're usually based on something else.
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As long as there are ppl who let their religious wedge issues drive their vote, there will be what the right is now.
so its religion's fault we're stuck with a 2 party system that picked Clinton and Donald freaking Trump?
Sure is. If Christians could manage to mind their own business we could actually have a viable Republican party that could keep the democrats honest, but alas we're left with this poop.
It seems to me you are actually critiquing these Christians' non-adherence to their own religion as opposed to religion generally. Your post doesn't imply to me that you seriously believe a world free of religion would have produced better candidates this cycle.
No I'm speaking to the fact that many Christians, particularly Conservative Christians feel like their beliefs should drive policy and how they live their lives. Most religious people live their own lives and don't make a career out of trying to live the lives of the entire country. In America conservative christians don't seem to understand that they can live full, righteous lives without worrying about how strangers want to live, its infuriating because its the biggest obstacle to a more efficient and accountable government.
lol you can't truly believe that.
I do. Now, I didn't say that our government would be completely efficient and accountable without the religious right poking their noses in, I said more efficient and accountable. Its either the meddlesome nature of conservative christians or its money and I feel like in a two party system, that is working properly, money doesn't create an imbalance. There would be/is plenty of money on both sides where it wouldn't be as obstructing as religion. We've always had money in politics, the religious right's jacking of the agenda is something that has happened the last twenty years and this is factually the least efficient our federal government, at least the legislative branch where the infiltration is worst, has ever been.
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No I'm speaking to the fact that many Christians, particularly Conservative Christians feel like their beliefs should drive policy and how they live their lives. Most religious people live their own lives and don't make a career out of trying to live the lives of the entire country. In America conservative christians don't seem to understand that they can live full, righteous lives without worrying about how strangers want to live, its infuriating because its the biggest obstacle to a more efficient and accountable government.
I just don't see this as a religion issue, like, at all. First, Christians probably make up a large segment (if not the majority) of every political party. So your gripe is really with conservatives more so than conservative Christians. Second, the "worrying about how strangers want to live" is in no way unique to religious groups. Any law by its nature has some impact on how people are permitted to live their lives. A green party member might want to regulate a household's use of water, energy, or fossil fuels, independent of any religious reason. That still has a pretty substantial impact on how people choose to live. There is also an ironic twist because conservatives in general want the federal government to be less involved in the practices of individuals and business than liberals.
People in a society are always going to want to "force" their beliefs on others in that society. Those beliefs might happen to be based in religion, but they're usually based on something else.
I'm only familiar with our society and how conservative christians use their beliefs to attempt to drive government agenda and then they use the lie that the founders of the country intended it to be that way so it's okay.
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Well I guess you are entitled to your belief as to what beliefs are underlying conservatives' professed beliefs.
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Not all conservatives, I was pretty clear about who I was talking out, sorry you didn't get that.
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I really don't believe that the primary problem with obstructionists like Tim Huelskamp is his faith or the faith of his followers.
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Right. Not all conservatives, not all Christians, but all conservative Christians.
It's not just unique to conservatives, though. Don't forget about the time Mormon sympathizer Bloomberg tried to ban large sodas.
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Theocrats for Hillary!
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I really don't believe that the primary problem with obstructionists like Tim Huelskamp is his faith or the faith of his followers.
No he's an bad person but he often went to that rhetoric to make himself feel better about being an bad person. I mean look at this crap...
“The idea that Jesus Christ himself was degrading and demeaning is what they’ve come down to,” he said. "I can’t even stand to read the decisions because I don’t even think they’d pass law school with decisions like that.”
The supreme court justices didn't say a damn thing about Jesus being degrading and demeaning when they ruled DOMA was illegal, why did he? You can never lose when you use religion to rile up the religious right, no matter how outrageous the rhetoric is.
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I can confirm tim doesn't give a crap about jesus christ of nazareth and that he is a huge bad person who did a good job riding the wave to the top (relative top for fowler ks demagogues)
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I sent in the registration papers like 3 weeks ago and haven't heard anything. Probably voter suppression
update: received my voter confirmation today and the polling place is literally 50ft away. i think i might be voting this year boys :surprised:
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I disagree with Obama on this
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-vote-vote-trump/story?id=42416587 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-vote-vote-trump/story?id=42416587)
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I have grown to really like many thinks about President Obama, but he should know better than to attempt to bully voters and shame them for voting 3rd party or not voting.
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I don't agree either cf3, but I wouldn't call it bullying. He has a team, and he wants that team to win.
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Saying you're either for us or for Trump is absolutely bullying.
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Well I respectfully disagree :shy:
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people who don't vote should absolutely be shamed.
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people who don't vote should absolutely be shamed.
I don't agree with this either
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people who don't vote should absolutely be shamed.
I don't agree with this either
Well people should at least be encouraged to vote.
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Sure
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just my opinion. i know most see voting as a civic right, but i see it as a civic duty. in my opinion it's bad form to participate in the spoils of governance without having first gone through the rigors.
i don't want mandatory voting, but i'm not against shaming people who choose not to.
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I disagree with Obama on this
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-vote-vote-trump/story?id=42416587 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-vote-vote-trump/story?id=42416587)
Who non voters non votes are actually voting for depends on who the non voter would vote for if they voted.
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I have grown to really like many thinks about President Obama, but he should know better than to attempt to bully voters and shame them for voting 3rd party or not voting.
saying a vote for a third party is a vote for trump is "bullying" and "shaming"? good grief
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I disagree with Obama on this
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-vote-vote-trump/story?id=42416587 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-vote-vote-trump/story?id=42416587)
Who non voters non votes are actually voting for depends on who the non voter would vote for if they voted.
Exactly. I don't think it's bullying, but I do think it's really stupid.
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And his bit where he equates "voting for third party candidates with no chance to win" to "not voting" is pretty anti-democratic.
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Obviously a vote for third party or not voting isn't literally a vote for Trump and obviously voting third party isn't literally equal to voting for a third party. But both do give Trump a better chance of winning.
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And his bit where he equates "voting for third party candidates with no chance to win" to "not voting" is pretty anti-democratic.
I agree on one level, but he was talking to a specific audience, not the American people.
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I have grown to really like many thinks about President Obama, but he should know better than to attempt to bully voters and shame them for voting 3rd party or not voting.
saying a vote for a third party is a vote for trump is "bullying" and "shaming"? good grief
yes it is. its just as much a vote for Clinton as it is for Trump. which is that its not a vote for either of them.
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as a strong Vote Against The Worst Candidate voter I agree with president Obama's statement and all people from both sides that make the same statement all the time.
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I'm truly the last line of defense guys
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I've been trying to convince a guy I work with to vote for Gary Johnson so that he doesn't vote for Trump. It isn't working so far.
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And his bit where he equates "voting for third party candidates with no chance to win" to "not voting" is pretty anti-democratic.
I agree on one level, but he was talking to a specific audience, not the American people.
What "specific audience" are you talking about? That statement from Obama pretty much epitomizes what I think is his biggest failing, that politics is really just an "us" versus "them" exercise and the people's job is solely to elect more good guys so they can beat down the bad guys.
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I'm truly the last line of defense guys
yeah that Nebraska swing state is a real doozy
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I've been trying to convince a guy I work with to vote for Gary Johnson so that he doesn't vote for Trump. It isn't working so far.
Most of the Trump voters I know are upset he's the candidate because they don't think he will win. They like his policies just fine though and have no problem voting for him.
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I disagree with Obama on this
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-vote-vote-trump/story?id=42416587 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-vote-vote-trump/story?id=42416587)
You should, it's an intellectually empty statement made by a partisan crap head.
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everyone needs to eff off with their "get in line or the sky is going to fall" bullshit.
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And his bit where he equates "voting for third party candidates with no chance to win" to "not voting" is pretty anti-democratic.
I agree on one level, but he was talking to a specific audience, not the American people.
What "specific audience" are you talking about? That statement from Obama pretty much epitomizes what I think is his biggest failing, that politics is really just an "us" versus "them" exercise and the people's job is solely to elect more good guys so they can beat down the bad guys.
There are a lot of things people think are zero sum that aren't zero sum, but elections are definitely zero sum.
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If we're ignoring the anti-Democratic notion and making this a purely logical exercise, then a vote for a third party or no vote is a vote against Hillary, not a vote for Trump.
Obama is way too smart of a person to say stuff that stupid.
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I've been trying to convince a guy I work with to vote for Gary Johnson so that he doesn't vote for Trump. It isn't working so far.
No vote or a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump UNLESS that vote is otherwise definitely going to Trump with zero chance of going to Clinton.
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I disagree with Obama on this
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-vote-vote-trump/story?id=42416587 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-vote-vote-trump/story?id=42416587)
You should, it's an intellectually empty statement made by a partisan crap head.
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everyone needs to eff off with their "get in line or the sky is going to fall" bullshit.
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I've been trying to convince a guy I work with to vote for Gary Johnson so that he doesn't vote for Trump. It isn't working so far.
No vote or a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump UNLESS that vote is otherwise definitely going to Trump with zero chance of going to Clinton.
Interesting. No vote or a vote for a third party is the same as voting for Trump unless you would have voted for Trump otherwise, in which case it is a vote for Clinton.
So I guess if you are going to vote for a third party you may as well just vote Trump. BUT, if instead of just voting Trump because it's the same as voting for a third party, you decide you will vote for the third party, then BOOM: one less vote for Trump which means you just voted Hillary.
Thanks Obama.
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mathematically, a non vote by anyone who dislikes trump or a vote for a third party instead of clinton is .5 of a vote for trump, so i rate obama's statement as *mostly true*.
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Just Trim 3:16 it. Vote for whoever you want, and if you don't want to vote for anyone, don't. But this "you better vote and that vote better be for my person because if not then you'll be to blame when the bad candidate wins" rhetoric is silly.
If you want my vote, give me someone I want to vote for.
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This guy gets it.
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Just Trim 3:16 it. Vote for whoever you want, and if you don't want to vote for anyone, don't. But this "you better vote and that vote better be for my person because if not then you'll be to blame when the bad candidate wins" rhetoric is silly.
If you want my vote, give me someone I want to vote for.
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I've been trying to convince a guy I work with to vote for Gary Johnson so that he doesn't vote for Trump. It isn't working so far.
No vote or a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump UNLESS that vote is otherwise definitely going to Trump with zero chance of going to Clinton.
Interesting. No vote or a vote for a third party is the same as voting for Trump unless you would have voted for Trump otherwise, in which case it is a vote for Clinton.
So I guess if you are going to vote for a third party you may as well just vote Trump. BUT, if instead of just voting Trump because it's the same as voting for a third party, you decide you will vote for the third party, then BOOM: one less vote for Trump which means you just voted Hillary.
Thanks Obama.
Well the guy is definetly voting for Trump unless I can convince him to vote for GJ (aka 42.579% of a vote for Clinton). He lives in KS so will it really matter either way?
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see if you can find a libertarian-leaning trumper in new hampshire or florida that you can flip.
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Do this country a favor and vote for Hillary, it's not that complicated.
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Do this country a favor and vote for Hillary, it's not that complicated.
it really is that simple.
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Just Trim 3:16 it. Vote for whoever you want, and if you don't want to vote for anyone, don't. But this "you better vote and that vote better be for my person because if not then you'll be to blame when the bad candidate wins" rhetoric is silly.
If you want my vote, give me someone I want to vote for.
the nerve of politicians trying to influence the outcomes of elections! Silly!
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Do this country a favor and vote for Hillary, it's not that complicated.
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eff yourself.
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I've been trying to convince a guy I work with to vote for Gary Johnson so that he doesn't vote for Trump. It isn't working so far.
No vote or a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump UNLESS that vote is otherwise definitely going to Trump with zero chance of going to Clinton.
Interesting. No vote or a vote for a third party is the same as voting for Trump unless you would have voted for Trump otherwise, in which case it is a vote for Clinton.
So I guess if you are going to vote for a third party you may as well just vote Trump. BUT, if instead of just voting Trump because it's the same as voting for a third party, you decide you will vote for the third party, then BOOM: one less vote for Trump which means you just voted Hillary.
Thanks Obama.
Well the guy is definetly voting for Trump unless I can convince him to vote for GJ (aka 42.579% of a vote for Clinton). He lives in KS so will it really matter either way?
Tell him to go to balancedrebellion(.com?). It matches up Trump supporters with Hillary supporters in your state and you cancel out each other's vote by both voting Gary.
At least he could be comforted by feeling responsible by taking a vote away from Hillary?
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Do this country a favor and vote for Hillary, it's not that complicated.
it really is that simple.
She should do the country a favor and quit
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Not that it matters, because do what you want, but I'd love to hear why ell is so obsessed with Hillary. I think he wants to bang her.