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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on August 22, 2016, 03:28:39 PM
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Quick question for the MIR and other experts on racism and race-related issues...
I was talking on the phone the other day to a customer service representative. This was an issue I'd called about previously, but they had no record of my prior call. I then said "well, I can't remember the name of the person I spoke to, but it was a black woman" on such and such date.
At which point the rep paused and then said [imagine snottiest tone possible] "well how do you know she was black?" I answered "uh, she had a black voice?"
So admittedly, "black voice" probably wasn't the best phraseology - I was pretty taken aback by the rep getting so offended.
So is it racist to identify someone as black/white based solely on their voice?
(Also, this would probably be a helpful master thread for similar inquiries).
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You know how many doctors I've hired that my inside voice thought they were probably a certain race, but only to find out they weren't afterwards, and I was like yeah, this is why you don't make assumptions. It's kinda racist. I'd definitely keep that inside voice inside. Saying you thought you probably talked with a female is the way to go.
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My inside voice tells me to do things. Bad things.
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was it the tone or other physical quality of their voice or like they said things that you believe only black women say?
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Two CSRs (one possibly being a black lady) are totally gaslighting K-S-U-W and high-5'n about it
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What about.ignorant sounding.people, like a slow talkin southern?
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I'm more curious why you thought saying it was a black woman would narrow it down thar much as to who you spoke with. I think that's the bigger issue that may be racist.
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was it the tone or other physical quality of their voice or like they said things that you believe only black women say?
No, purely the tone - if that's the right word - not grammar, etc. I just think that, generally speaking, black people sound different than white people. And to be more precise, I know a few black people who I wouldn't be able to tell are black over the phone, but I've never met a white person who I would mistake for a black person over the phone. The voices just generally sound different to me. I don't think that's a racist observation, but the question is whether it is racist to say (as opposed internally thinking) that someone is black based purely on hearing their voice.
I'm more curious why you thought saying it was a black woman would narrow it down thar much as to who you spoke with. I think that's the bigger issue that may be racist.
Fair question. To be honest, I was kind of on the defensive. I wasn't expecting the rep to flat out deny I had made the prior call, so I was reaching for any detail to indicate that I wasn't making it up. So I just started spouting everything about the prior conversation I could remember (she was a black woman, it was on such and such date, she read me the terms, etc.)
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Not racist, just dumb. Even if you could tell race by a voice (which I'd guess most people could do with slightly better than purely random odds), you are much better off being general in that situation. If you end up describing someone who definitely doesn't work there then you're mumped.
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Two CSRs (one possibly being a black lady) are totally gaslighting K-S-U-W and high-5'n about it
The second is probably black too, who else would get so offended? #pcculture
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it was clearly the ed's sister
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was it the tone or other physical quality of their voice or like they said things that you believe only black women say?
No, purely the tone - if that's the right word - not grammar, etc. I just think that, generally speaking, black people sound different than white people. And to be more precise, I know a few black people who I wouldn't be able to tell are black over the phone, but I've never met a white person who I would mistake for a black person over the phone. The voices just generally sound different to me. I don't think that's a racist observation, but the question is whether it is racist to say (as opposed internally thinking) that someone is black based purely on hearing their voice.
I'm more curious why you thought saying it was a black woman would narrow it down thar much as to who you spoke with. I think that's the bigger issue that may be racist.
Fair question. To be honest, I was kind of on the defensive. I wasn't expecting the rep to flat out deny I had made the prior call, so I was reaching for any detail to indicate that I wasn't making it up. So I just started spouting everything about the prior conversation I could remember (she was a black woman, it was on such and such date, she read me the terms, etc.)
Including the rest of those details in the op would have made you look better. I read it as your only statement was that she was a black lady, not race among a list of other details.
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Two CSRs (one possibly being a black lady) are totally gaslighting K-S-U-W and high-5'n about it
The second is probably black too, who else would get so offended? #pcculture
Nope, #acting/#gaslighting.
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One time I had talked to a guy on the phone a lot and I assumed he was a slightly nerdy white guy. But then I saw a picture of him and he was actually a hot black guy. Am I racist because of that?
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it was clearly the ed's sister
I assume you're a man of color?
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When that CSR finds the black voice and tells them "the racist voice is calling you back", are you offended?
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I would say black guy if I am looking for a black guy that helped me in person. If you have some power that helps you know a person is black by their voice characteristics I think it's fine though I wouldn't say that because I think people may not believe you actually can.
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I think the real issue is who even calls customer service anymore?
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I think the real issue is who even calls customer service anymore?
It's the same guy who ordered an engagement ring over the phone
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Two CSRs (one possibly being a black lady) are totally gaslighting K-S-U-W and high-5'n about it
The second is probably black too, who else would get so offended? #pcculture
Nope, #acting/#gaslighting.
Oh man, gaslighting is a fun term, people should put in their posts whenever possible.
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Two CSRs (one possibly being a black lady) are totally gaslighting K-S-U-W and high-5'n about it
The second is probably black too, who else would get so offended? #pcculture
Nope, #acting/#gaslighting.
Oh man, gaslighting is a fun term, people don't slip it into their posts often enough I say.
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Can anyone tell me what wacky does for a living?
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I think the real issue is who even calls customer service anymore?
It's the same guy who ordered an engagement ring over the phone
You are right - if I had done this by chat I could have saved a transcript. But this was to cancel my cable. I think break ups at least deserve a phone call.
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I think the real issue is who even calls customer service anymore?
It's the same guy who ordered an engagement ring over the phone
You are right - if I had done this by chat I could have saved a transcript. But this was to cancel my cable. I think break ups at least deserve a phone call.
You only need to call TW once to cancel. Not sure why you reference a prior call.
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We had to call TWC about five or six times to cancel cable TV. First to cancel, then to "officially" cancel to make sure it was cancelled by a certain date, then to correct the billing error that failed to reflect said cancelling, then to correct the next billing error which was supposed to account for the first billing error, then to correct for the following billing error that was supposed to correct for the previous errors as well as a "we're sorry for being such dumbasses" deduction.
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I am seriously only one line into this thread and I can't imagine I'll have a more pressing question than who the eff are "experts on racism and race-related issues..." isn't this just like all people?
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Quick question for the MIR and other experts on racism and race-related issues...
I was talking on the phone the other day to a customer service representative. This was an issue I'd called about previously, but they had no record of my prior call. I then said "well, I can't remember the name of the person I spoke to, but it was a black woman" on such and such date.
At which point the rep paused and then said [imagine snottiest tone possible] "well how do you know she was black?" I answered "uh, she had a black voice?"
So admittedly, "black voice" probably wasn't the best phraseology - I was pretty taken aback by the rep getting so offended.
So is it racist to identify someone as black/white based solely on their voice?
(Also, this would probably be a helpful master thread for similar inquiries).
No, it isn't racist, but an ignorant, insular assumption. I just came from Ithaca, NY and my wife has a cousin that sounds like you would think a black woman sounds, she's also all tatted up. Get this, she's a white, anti-government, anti-vaxxing, Trumper. When people tell me I sound white, I ask them why, what follows is either a stammer or something actually racist.
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A good rule of thumb might be to avoid doing things that require you to ask yourself, "is it racist."
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it was clearly the ed's sister
:ROFL:
I think the real issue is who even calls customer service anymore?
It's the same guy who ordered an engagement ring over the phone
Wait, what? This is an inside joke, right?
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A good rule of them might be to avoid doing things that require you to ask yourself, "is it racist."
In defense of humanity, this is very tough to do if you live and operate in a relatively homogenized environment.
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Fun Fact: i can tell what race someone by the way they type their posts. For example, mir is black African-American?) and ksuw is white (caucasian?)
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Fun Fact: i can tell what race someone by the way they type their posts. For example, mir is black African-American?) and ksuw is white (caucasian?)
what race is poonhound69?
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Fun Fact: i can tell what race someone by the way they type their posts. For example, mir is black African-American?) and ksuw is white (caucasian?)
what race is poonhound69?
2/3 Hillbilly, 1/3 cracker
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I think the real issue is who even calls customer service anymore?
It's the same guy who ordered an engagement ring over the phone
You are right - if I had done this by chat I could have saved a transcript. But this was to cancel my cable. I think break ups at least deserve a phone call.
You only need to call TW once to cancel. Not sure why you reference a prior call.
Yeah, that was the problem. I called to cancel and evidently they "forgot" all about it so I had to call again. Then they denied I ever called the first time. But I don't want to get too far off topic.
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Fun Fact: i can tell what race someone by the way they type their posts. For example, mir is black African-American?) and ksuw is white (caucasian?)
what race is poonhound69?
2/3 Hillbilly, 1/3 cracker
I thought he was a pollock
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Fun Fact: i can tell what race someone by the way they type their posts. For example, mir is black African-American?) and ksuw is white (caucasian?)
what race is poonhound69?
2/3 Hillbilly, 1/3 cracker
100% AWESOME
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Sometimes when you talk to someone on the phone (or even just email) you get a picture of them in your head. Sometimes it turns out to be close and sometimes it turns out to be really off. They might be taller or prettier or skinnier or have more hair than you expected. Can't race be one of those failed assumptions without you being racist?
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Fun Fact: i can tell what race someone by the way they type their posts. For example, mir is black African-American?) and ksuw is white (caucasian?)
what race is poonhound69?
2/3 Hillbilly, 1/3 cracker
I thought he was a pollock
Priceless
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Sometimes when you talk to someone on the phone (or even just email) you get a picture of them in your head. Sometimes it turns out to be close and sometimes it turns out to be really off. They might be taller or prettier or skinnier or have more hair than you expected. Can't race be one of those failed assumptions without you being racist?
Well, yeah. But if we're being honest most people, black and white, associate black people on the phone with slang words and poor English. I love conversations about code switching. Lonnae O'Neal writes for The Undefeated, she is my soulmate, she wrote this. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/lonnae-oneal-why-i-sometimes-sound-blacker-than-others/2015/02/25/e547eb5e-bc54-11e4-b274-e5209a3bc9a9_story.html
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I think there is a voice quality outside of word choice that is a pretty solid indicator too. Similar to accent I guess, but it seems a little different. Not that there aren't exceptions, but you can certainly tell some differences a lot of the time.
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I think the point is stereotypes are largely accurate
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I think the point is stereotypes are largely accurate
LOL, you would.
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Why would you want someone you thought was black handling your account? Should have hung up and redialed until you got someone you thought was white.
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Prefer Asians myself. Usually smart, capable, and they respect the "customer is always right" doctrine.
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I think there is a voice quality outside of word choice that is a pretty solid indicator too. Similar to accent I guess, but it seems a little different. Not that there aren't exceptions, but you can certainly tell some differences a lot of the time.
Right. This wasn't a matter or word choice or slang or "dropping g's" or whatever else. I'm not being critical. There's just generally a certain tone (tonality? timbre?) difference between white and black voices. The only exceptions to the rule I've come across are some black people who I wouldn't be able to distinguish from white people based upon their voice, but I've never come across a white person who I would confuse for a black person based upon their voice.
I was just caught off guard because of the snotty way the CSR responded to me "well how do you know she was black?" It seemed as if she was accusing me of making a racist assumption, both due to her tone and the fact that her challenging me wasn't in keeping with her job responsibilities.
It would be interesting to know if there have been studies on this. But I bet all of us could listen to people over the phone and pick out the speakers who are definitely black (again, the "definitely white" would be trickier) with an extremely high degree of accuracy.
Or maybe not. I've always been sensitive to sound and music. I don't mean super hearing, but chords, tones, etc. Like the Star Spangled Banner during the Olympics annoyed me because they swapped in minor chords at spots, which made it sound sadder. I was like "why did they do that?" and my wife was like "what the hell are you talking about?"
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there are many exceptions though. I think it was Jamar Samuels who put it, "Why Adele sound like she got a bottle of Texas Pete in her purse?"
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Who does that uppity csr think she is challenging ignorant comments :curse:
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I think you're fine KSU. I feel much the same way, but I remember people's names. So I don't have to resort to race descriptors.
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there are many exceptions though. I think it was Jamar Samuels who put it, "Why Adele sound like she got a bottle of Texas Pete in her purse?"
:thumbs:
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http://www.pressherald.com/2016/08/26/house-democrats-condemn-lepage-attack-on-westbrook-legislator/
Is the governor racist?
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Yes, he's racist.
This is just hilarious.
“When a snot-nosed little guy from Westbrook calls me a racist, now I’d like him to come up here because, tell you right now, I wish it were 1825,” LePage said. “And we would have a duel, that’s how angry I am, and I would not put my gun in the air, I guarantee you, I would not be (Alexander) Hamilton. I would point it right between his eyes, because he is a snot-nosed little runt and he has not done a damn thing since he’s been in this Legislature to help move the state forward.”
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In my experience, people who react to accusations of racism with anger and threats of physical violence are usually racist as crap
They usually look like this too
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(ksuw doppelganger?)
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1825 is probably when all of this PC nonsense got started. It's just too bad this guy can't go back in time and fix it.
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i read lepage's wikipedia page. he's had an unusual life.
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i read lepage's wikipedia page. he's had an unusual life.
He certainly has.
Also this :lol:
On June 25, 2015, he told a group of high school students a joke about wanting to shoot George Danby, the Bangor Daily News's political cartoonist. The joke was in response to a question by Danby's son who had asked what LePage thought of his father's cartoons.
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:lol:
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I've met Paul Lepage, been in his presence more than once, and he's racist as eff.
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Is it racist when MIR implies that all hypocritical white people eat ranch sandwiches?
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Glad you caught that.
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In high school I was always known as "the black guy" cause I liked gangsta rap and had subs in my car and we only had one real black guy in the school.
Probably why i want nothing to do with a ranch sandwich
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I like ranch dressing on almost anything, but a sandwich seems too far. I would definitely put cool ranch Doritos on a good deli sandwich though.
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https://www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/786655684809274/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
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White girls name is Becky. smdh.
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http://www.pressherald.com/2016/08/26/house-democrats-condemn-lepage-attack-on-westbrook-legislator/
Is the governor racist?
Depends, does he acknowledge his white privilege?
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Doubtful
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Has he at least apologized for his white privilege?
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That would require acknowledgement wouldn't it?
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Is it racist for California State University to have a segregated black only dormitory?
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Is it racist for California State University to have a segregated black only dormitory?
Depends on the University's list of trigger words.
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https://www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/786655684809274/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
Tom and Marco, omg :ROFL:
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Nome of this would be an issue if he just had a safe space. Smdh
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Is it racist to wear overalls? I'm in this FB group and this person in the group posted about how they went to an event dressed in overalls (with a couple of friends also dressed in overalls) and the event organizer told them that wearing overalls could be viewed as racist.
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Is it racist to wear overalls? I'm in this FB group and this person in the group posted about how they went to an event dressed in overalls (with a couple of friends also dressed in overalls) and the event organizer told them that wearing overalls could be viewed as racist.
That was Pete, LSOC and I's intent at that farmageddon game in kc, at least as it related to the iowan race.
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:clap:
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Is it racist to wear overalls? I'm in this FB group and this person in the group posted about how they went to an event dressed in overalls (with a couple of friends also dressed in overalls) and the event organizer told them that wearing overalls could be viewed as racist.
I would let the event organizer that you are from Coffeyville and that he/she should check his/her privilege and GTFOOYF.
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What was the event
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I was not at this event. It was in NYC and it was NYC people who thought that overalls were racist. (Everyone commenting on the post doesn't think it is racist though.)
It was a swing dance event, which celebrates the dance called the Lindy Hop which originated in Harlem in the 1920s but is now mostly danced by white kids with a vintage fetish (some of which are also SJW types who want to make sure you 'check your privilege' and 'don't use heternormative language that can trigger people' etc.).
And the dance itself is possibly named after a known racist and white supremacist.
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did they tell the event organizer to go chase a waterfall?
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Sounds like the sjw people are the REAL racists
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Sounds like the sjw people are the REAL racists
Not really racist. Just very privileged.
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I was not at this event. It was in NYC and it was NYC people who thought that overalls were racist. (Everyone commenting on the post doesn't think it is racist though.)
It was a swing dance event, which celebrates the dance called the Lindy Hop which originated in Harlem in the 1920s but is now mostly danced by white kids with a vintage fetish (some of which are also SJW types who want to make sure you 'check your privilege' and 'don't use heternormative language that can trigger people' etc.).
And the dance itself is possibly named after a known racist and white supremacist.
Did they say racist or Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? Did they say they or we?
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I was not at this event. It was in NYC and it was NYC people who thought that overalls were racist. (Everyone commenting on the post doesn't think it is racist though.)
It was a swing dance event, which celebrates the dance called the Lindy Hop which originated in Harlem in the 1920s but is now mostly danced by white kids with a vintage fetish (some of which are also SJW types who want to make sure you 'check your privilege' and 'don't use heternormative language that can trigger people' etc.).
And the dance itself is possibly named after a known racist and white supremacist.
Did they say racist or Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? Did they say they or we?
They (a single person of unknown gender) said that some people would consider it racist/insensitive to wear overalls.