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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: kso_FAN on March 05, 2016, 05:40:03 PM
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Let's be real here Cat fans.
Last year we really only beat TCU and OU twice because of crazy games from Marcus Foster. And we only beat KU and ISU because Nigel played way above his head. Both guys were proven cancers and oscar rightfully got rid of them. So really, you take those 5 wins from our 8 conference wins and oscar's team really only won 3 games.
Then you look at all our young guys this year and oscar managed 5 wins. The way I see it, this is a big improvement from the 3 Big 12 wins of last, PLUS we didn't have those ugly OOC losses this season. oscar has this thing on the right track. We had a 12 point lead today at one of the tougher places to play in the league, on senior night no less.
There really is no doubt that next year will be special and if you don't believe that, you clearly aren't a real fan.
Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer
The Slings and Arrows of outrageous Fortune,
Or to take Arms against a Sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them: to die, to sleep
No more; and by a sleep, to say we end
The Heart-ache, and the thousand Natural shocks
That Flesh is heir to? 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep,
To sleep, perchance to Dream; aye, there's the rub,
For in that sleep of death, what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause....
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50%, what a travesty.
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50%, what a travesty.
Keep your head up sys. Still #16 in 3PT%D AND overall. That's pretty good if you ask me.
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a wasted opportunity is what it is.
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You would have made a phenomenal cellist on the Titanic, _BBB.
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I still believe in an NIT run.
I'm pretty sure we'll be the youngest team in the NIT too, so it will be tough. But you never know.
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Wednesday's :frown:
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Am I a bad fan for not wanting the NIT bid? I'm kinda in the same place where I was last year......let's just get this year over with.
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"When sorrows come, they come not single spies, but in battalions"
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Am I a bad fan for not wanting the NIT bid? I'm kinda in the same place where I was last year......let's just get this year over with.
only bad fans want an nit bid.
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Nothing new....Ksu 2016 BB has Bad D + Bad O stretches that are too Long.
25-5 run to end 1st half, but it continued on in the 2nd hf
Tech got 48 pts in 30 Poss shooting 20-28 FG
Those same 30 Poss, we Only had 18 pts and 12 TOs.
Those 30 Poss were around 20 minutes of the game. From 23-11 to 41-59. 30 pt swing
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Nothing new....Ksu 2016 BB has Bad D + Bad O stretches that are too Long.
Hey Mr. Negative Posse, if we had 20 minutes of 18-48 that means we had 20 minutes of 53-32.
That's pretty good.
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you should've worked the word caucus into the thread title today _BBB, it would've made me laugh so good
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that means we had 20 minutes of 53-32.
That's pretty good.
the haters are desperate for us to ignore the true stats.
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Nothing new....Ksu 2016 BB has Bad D + Bad O stretches that are too Long.
Hey Mr. Negative Posse, if we had 20 minutes of 18-48 that means we had 20 minutes of 53-32.
That's pretty good.
I understand BB is a game of runs. And alot of times runs will happen when you play bad O and either play bad D or give up easier shots because of the poor O.
14-4 type runs happen ( we had 1 to start game). But when you let Tech go off for 48 pts over 30 Poss and then only Ave a measley 0.60 PPP yourself in the same time frame... You are in seriously trouble. At some point the O or the D has to play better in that stretch...so a 17-5 run to tie the game at 28-28, doesn't end up being 59-41 later in the game.
We allowed 31-10 runs to Ku and 24-3 to Isu at home this year, and we never recovered from the big deficit. We mounted a comeback because....BB is a game of runs...but we never took the lead in either game and I never thought we were gonna win.
Sorry for being so negative FAN ;) but as frustrated as I am, I do hold some hope for next year and 2017-18
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Posse loves himself a good microcosm
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Stokes
Brown
Westicles
Wade
DJamer
Is a good enough starting 5 to make the tourney next year.
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Posse loves himself a good microcosm
Perhaps. But if Ksu would outscore Ku or any team 48-18 or 31-10 in a game..... I would feel really good :thumbsup:
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Stokes
Brown
Westicles
Wade
DJamer
Is a good enough starting 5 to make the tourney next year.
A healthy Stokes alone is worth 6 additional conf wins.
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you should've worked the word caucus into the thread title today _BBB, it would've made me laugh so good
Yes
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to be or not tubby is rough ridin' great, you philistines.
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Am I a bad fan for not wanting the NIT bid? I'm kinda in the same place where I was last year......let's just get this year over with.
only bad fans want an nit bid.
I want us to get the bid then lose to Wichita State by 25.
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Only if Gregg is in Wade's ear for a just a little too long in the handshake line
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Only if Gregg is in Wade's ear for a just a little too long in the handshake line
It'd be exactly what about half our fanbase would need just to completely switch allegiance and be WSU fans. Which would be fine with me. I don't think I like that half of our fanbase much anyway.
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not that it even matters...
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/706251308471222276
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/706249287361892352
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/706251849016299520
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/706269272977207296
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oscar is not wrong. Best 16 loss team in the history of the sport.
The ball bounces or way five times this year and oscar is COY.
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He's also correct in that we're not that far behind Tech. They are only one spot ahead of us in conference standings.
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i really liked the we sucked in practice surprised game started well guys really deserve nit combo
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I Love Tubby's quote. Great backhanded compliment.
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When the COTY in the Big 12 praises your team, you listen.
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I would like to beat OSU and then play in the NIT
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KSU and Tech are equals this year - garbage wednesday teams.
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I Love Tubby's quote. Great backhanded compliment.
yeah like when self said we were better than 2-6 earlier in the year. could not be wooldrige'ing any harder
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We had 3 OT losses and lost to Texas by 4 in 2games
Add in we had struggles vs Ku Isu and Baylor at home ( 31-10 run, 24-3 run, and Bay started game with 25-11 lead).... It's no surprise we end with 5-13 result. If we were a little better we could have been 7-11 or 8-10. 9-9 if we were a OK offensive team all Conf season
No excuse for not getting 10-11 wins next year in B12 and 12-13 would be a pleasant surprise
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We had 3 OT losses and lost to Texas by 4 in 2games
Add in we had struggles vs Ku Isu and Baylor at home ( 31-10 run, 24-3 run, and Bay started game with 25-11 lead).... It's no surprise we end with 5-13 result. If we were a little better we could have been 7-11 or 8-10. 9-9 if we were a OK offensive team all Conf season
No excuse for not getting 10-11 wins next year in B12 and 12-13 would be a pleasant surprise
oscar will have plenty of excuses for not reaching those B12 win levels.
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We had 3 OT losses and lost to Texas by 4 in 2games
Add in we had struggles vs Ku Isu and Baylor at home ( 31-10 run, 24-3 run, and Bay started game with 25-11 lead).... It's no surprise we end with 5-13 result. If we were a little better we could have been 7-11 or 8-10. 9-9 if we were a OK offensive team all Conf season
No excuse for not getting 10-11 wins next year in B12 and 12-13 would be a pleasant surprise
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We had 3 OT losses and lost to Texas by 4 in 2games
Add in we had struggles vs Ku Isu and Baylor at home ( 31-10 run, 24-3 run, and Bay started game with 25-11 lead).... It's no surprise we end with 5-13 result. If we were a little better we could have been 7-11 or 8-10. 9-9 if we were a OK offensive team all Conf season
No excuse for not getting 10-11 wins next year in B12 and 12-13 would be a pleasant surprise
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas-state/2006-schedule.html
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I was very disappointed in the effort during the middle 20 minutes of that game.
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i really liked the we sucked in practice surprised game started well guys really deserve nit combo
yes.
"i love this team and really want them to get into the nit and also they have had a crappy last week of practice so i expected us to lose to texas tech."-oscar
it's like wt heck weber? i don't get you.
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Am I a bad fan for not wanting the NIT bid? I'm kinda in the same place where I was last year......let's just get this year over with.
only bad fans want an nit bid.
I want us to get the bid then lose to Wichita State by 25.
Aren't they dancing?
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Am I a bad fan for not wanting the NIT bid? I'm kinda in the same place where I was last year......let's just get this year over with.
only bad fans want an nit bid.
I want us to get the bid then lose to Wichita State by 25.
Aren't they dancing?
1 top 50 RPI win. 4 Top 100 RPI wins. But still #10 in kenpom and several losses without VanVleet. It will be interesting to see what the committee does. Without their NCAA success and a Final Four, they would be in real trouble, plus, the committee using other metrics starting last year.
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Am I a bad fan for not wanting the NIT bid? I'm kinda in the same place where I was last year......let's just get this year over with.
only bad fans want an nit bid.
I want us to get the bid then lose to Wichita State by 25.
Aren't they dancing?
1 top 50 RPI win. 4 Top 100 RPI wins. But still #10 in kenpom and several losses without VanVleet. It will be interesting to see what the committee does. Without their NCAA success and a Final Four, they would be in real trouble, plus, the committee using other metrics starting last year.
I was basing my thoughts solely off of what Joe said last night. I figured it meant they had had a decent season and like you said with recent success. I'd take a game against WSU in a heartbeat. Though it'd be in their gym. Haha
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Am I a bad fan for not wanting the NIT bid? I'm kinda in the same place where I was last year......let's just get this year over with.
only bad fans want an nit bid.
I want us to get the bid then lose to Wichita State by 25.
Aren't they dancing?
1 top 50 RPI win. 4 Top 100 RPI wins. But still #10 in kenpom and several losses without VanVleet. It will be interesting to see what the committee does. Without their NCAA success and a Final Four, they would be in real trouble, plus, the committee using other metrics starting last year.
I was basing my thoughts solely off of what Joe said last night. I figured it meant they had had a decent season and like you said with recent success. I'd take a game against WSU in a heartbeat. Though it'd be in their gym. Haha
Without their previous accomplishments they wouldn't be even talked about right now. We have a real shocker-off right now because everyone at espn has them firmly in and everyone at CBS has them firmly out. I'm not sure how as a bubble team you can be firmly in when most conference tournaments haven't even started yet bids will be stolen.
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http://deadspin.com/texas-techs-toddrick-gotcher-proposes-to-girlfriend-on-1763094693
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http://deadspin.com/texas-techs-toddrick-gotcher-proposes-to-girlfriend-on-1763094693
https://twitter.com/JamarSamuels/status/706249640291733504
And this...
https://twitter.com/JamarSamuels/status/704042729844707328
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Jamar is great
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Am I a bad fan for not wanting the NIT bid? I'm kinda in the same place where I was last year......let's just get this year over with.
only bad fans want an nit bid.
I want us to get the bid then lose to Wichita State by 25.
Aren't they dancing?
1 top 50 RPI win. 4 Top 100 RPI wins. But still #10 in kenpom and several losses without VanVleet. It will be interesting to see what the committee does. Without their NCAA success and a Final Four, they would be in real trouble, plus, the committee using other metrics starting last year.
They will be the 8/9 opposite ku, and it's going to be glorious.
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Nothing new....Ksu 2016 BB has Bad D + Bad O stretches that are too Long.
Hey Mr. Negative Posse, if we had 20 minutes of 18-48 that means we had 20 minutes of 53-32.
That's pretty good.
I understand BB is a game of runs. And alot of times runs will happen when you play bad O and either play bad D or give up easier shots because of the poor O.
14-4 type runs happen ( we had 1 to start game). But when you let Tech go off for 48 pts over 30 Poss and then only Ave a measley 0.60 PPP yourself in the same time frame... You are in seriously trouble. At some point the O or the D has to play better in that stretch...so a 17-5 run to tie the game at 28-28, doesn't end up being 59-41 later in the game.
We allowed 31-10 runs to Ku and 24-3 to Isu at home this year, and we never recovered from the big deficit. We mounted a comeback because....BB is a game of runs...but we never took the lead in either game and I never thought we were gonna win.
Sorry for being so negative FAN ;) but as frustrated as I am, I do hold some hope for next year and 2017-18
I think these stats show two glaring weaknesses this team has: lack of high major depth and a reliable "go to" guy or scorer.
The first problem is exasperated by foul trouble and the loss of Stokes. I fully expected this problem this season, but I think it could have been better managed through more coherent substitution patterns. We should grow out of this some next season with the red shirts and new recruits...I hope.
As to problem #2. We needed Wes or Edwards to be that guy, and I do not think they are physically talented enough to be that person. Hopefully, with some maturity, Brown or Wade or Stokes can be that person on any given day.
I knew this season would be a struggle. I thought it would be worse earlier and better later. The opposite seemed to happen. The lack of effort, at times, concerns me. I think next year has to be a monstrous step forward, or Weber should go.
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Define "monstrous step"...
IMO that means top 1/3 of the league. NCAAs should never be in doubt and if this "young team" just needed experience, we should compete for a title in a league that allegedly loses lots of players. No worse than 8-1 at home and 4-5 on the road in the league. That should be good enough for a 3 seed in the tournament.
I know oscar is going to be back next year and since that is the case he needs to achieve well beyond some bubble team that sits near .500 in the league if he has any chance of pulling me back in.
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I mean competing for 40 minutes and no pissing down your leg after the under 4.
I think that may achieve top 3 or 4 in the league next year, so what you posted.
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None of the guys on the roster will be able to create their own shot next year, barring a surprise from a newcomer. It will be a problem but we'll still have a better record than this year.
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None of the guys on the roster will be able to create their own shot next year, barring a surprise from a newcomer. It will be a problem but we'll still have a better record than this year.
Yep. This is a similar situation to when Wooly was here. Decent talent, decent coach, but simply not good enough. Basically what most P5 failed coaches look like at schools that are similar to us, few are absolute disasters like what we've seen from Kim Anderson or Trent Johnson.
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Is the problem lack of players able to create their own shot or lack of players who can shoot period?
Our 3 pt % in conference is pathetic.
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Is the problem lack of players able to create their own shot or lack of players who can shoot period?
Our 3 pt % in conference is pathetic.
Well, both are big problems.
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I Love Tubby's quote. Great backhanded compliment.
yeah like when self said we were better than 2-6 earlier in the year. could not be wooldrige'ing any harder
Facts are facts guys. We are the best 16-15 team in the country. Our next closest competition is Arkansas, but come on, let's be real here.
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if xwhomper and bullnuts are half dece this should be a good team next year. Would be nice to have a 4th reliable guard. Randolph had a meeting with Hollywood yesterday but we would only be able to pickup another dog bite type probably.
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if xwhomper and bullnuts are half dece this should be a good team next year. Would be nice to have a 4th reliable guard. Randolph had a meeting with Hollywood yesterday but we would only be able to pickup another dog bite type probably.
Bigs won't matter that much. If you look at oscar's career it is completely defined by having good point guard play. Has nothing to do with "other coaches players." He had good years when Chester was a senior and when McCamey was a senior.
But here is the issue he hasn't recruit a point guard in the fall since he has been at K-State. It is rough ridin' insane.
You are basically looking at Kam and Diarra (who I actually think has some talent) leading a team. You are looking a very wildcard team, they are currently 45 in kenpom and that should be a good jumping point for a team returning 70ish %. But eff you have a sophomore and freshmen point guard.
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Most fans would simply be happy with seeing a team compete hard and not smile on the bench. Asking for more than that is silly. oscar puts a product on the floor that we can all be proud of and making an NIT this year is an amazing accomplishment that only the biggest fool would sneeze at.
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We beat Oklahoma and we almost beat UNC. Name another team anywhere that can say that. Oscar is our guy.
Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)
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Our squad consists of an All-Big 12 3rd teamer/Big 12 Defensive team and two guys on the Big 12 Newcomer team.
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Our squad consists of an All-Big 12 3rd teamer/Big 12 Defensive team and two guys on the Big 12 Newcomer team.
Hey! Tubby had less last year: http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209934691
Not even 1 award!
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I feel like our players won't play in the cbi
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I Love Tubby's quote. Great backhanded compliment.
yeah like when self said we were better than 2-6 earlier in the year. could not be wooldrige'ing any harder
Facts are facts guys. We are the best 16-15 team in the country. Our next closest competition is Arkansas, but come on, let's be real here.
Rank Team W-L
44 Florida 18-13
45 Creighton 18-13
46 Kansas St. 16-15
48 Florida St. 18-12
51 Clemson 17-13
60 Oregon St. 18-11
62 Georgia Tech 18-13
67 Virginia Tech 18-13
68 Georgia 17-12
69 Washington 17-13
81 LSU 18-13
82 Rhode Island 17-14
83 Arkansas 16-15
91 Alabama 17-13
97 UC Santa Barbara 17-12
101 Long Beach St. 18-13
103 Memphis 16-14
105 Davidson 18-11
113 Louisiana Lafayette 16-13
115 College of Charleston 17-14
116 Illinois St. 18-14
121 UNLV 17-14
124 Toledo 17-14
125 Northeastern 18-14
127 New Mexico 17-14
129 Pepperdine 18-12
133 Nebraska Omaha 18-12
135 Penn St. 16-15
142 Marshall 16-15
144 Central Michigan 17-14
146 Nevada 18-12
153 Duquesne 16-15
154 North Dakota St. 18-12
155 Buffalo 17-14
156 Eastern Michigan 17-14
159 Fordham 17-12
160 Elon 16-16
163 Furman 18-14
164 Detroit 16-14
165 Lehigh 17-14
166 Coastal Carolina 18-11
168 Murray St. 17-14
169 Texas Southern 17-13
173 Colorado St. 16-15
174 Bucknell 17-13
178 Western Kentucky 16-15
181 Georgia St. 16-13
186 Western Carolina 16-16
199 Sam Houston St. 17-14
200 Eastern Washington 16-14