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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: SdK on February 21, 2016, 05:22:01 PM
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eff that crap. I mean goodness gracious.
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Thought provoking.
#feelthebern
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No one else has thoughts on this?
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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It might help if you provide some context
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It's completely ridiculous. She's getting raped all over again.
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http://jezebel.com/how-we-failed-to-protect-kesha-1760142637
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Have to think Sony is going to take a pretty public beating over this
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It's insane that they are getting away with this
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I love Kesha a lot. So this breaks my heart.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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I'm physically ill for her.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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If she doesn't feel safe around the guy she can and should get a restraining order. I'm not sure why recording with a different label was the first thought.
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If she doesn't feel safe around the guy she can and should get a restraining order. I'm not sure why recording with a different label was the first thought.
if this person is a successful singer, then that contract is presumably worth a fair amount to sony. conversely, breaking it would be worth a fair amount to the singer.
it shouldn't be that hard to come to an agreement that fairly compensates both parties. the fact that haven't been able to suggests that either one (or both) parties is being unreasonable, or that one or both parties believes they can prevail without reasonably compensating the other party.
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If she doesn't feel safe around the guy she can and should get a restraining order. I'm not sure why recording with a different label was the first thought.
Legally, she isn't allowed to make new music or perform her old stuff unless it's through the guy that raped her. So she could file for a restraining order, but she's still being held hostage.
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I love Kesha a lot. So this breaks my heart.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
:sdeek:
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?
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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She's very talented
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She is. Great voice too. Hope she gets to make the music she wants someday.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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§ 30.10 Timeliness of prosecutions; periods of limitation.
1. A criminal action must be commenced within the period of limitation
prescribed in the ensuing subdivisions of this section.
2. Except as otherwise provided in subdivision three:
(a) A prosecution for a class A felony, or rape in the first degree as
defined in section 130.35 of the penal law, or a crime defined or
formerly defined in section 130.50 of the penal law, or aggravated
sexual abuse in the first degree as defined in section 130.70 of the
penal law, or course of sexual conduct against a child in the first
degree as defined in section 130.75 of the penal law may be commenced at
any time;
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In her complaint, Kesha claims Dr. Luke plied her with drugs and alcohol to compromise her defenses and once "forced himself” on her after giving her something illicit to snort before they got on a plane.
She also claims he once physically attacked her at his Malibu house, forcing her to flee barefoot down a coastal highway littered with broken glass.
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If she doesn't feel safe around the guy she can and should get a restraining order. I'm not sure why recording with a different label was the first thought.
Legally, she isn't allowed to make new music or perform her old stuff unless it's through the guy that raped her. So she could file for a restraining order, but she's still being held hostage.
I'm really not trying to be insensitive, but can't her people just handle the business side of it? Surely there is no situation where she needs to see or speak to this guy again.
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This lady wants to get away from this slime bag producer. Sony offers to give her another producer, but she doesn't want this deal because she thinks they will not produce her album. I say tough turds. Get a diferent producer and make the damn albums, or walk away. People.should quit using the civil courts to punish people for criminal acts.
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If she doesn't feel safe around the guy she can and should get a restraining order. I'm not sure why recording with a different label was the first thought.
Legally, she isn't allowed to make new music or perform her old stuff unless it's through the guy that raped her. So she could file for a restraining order, but she's still being held hostage.
I'm really not trying to be insensitive, but can't her people just handle the business side of it? Surely there is no situation where she needs to see or speak to this guy again.
That's literally what this case and thread is about.
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ok cat, every article on this case i've read in the last hour says you're wrong.
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Do tell
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they say that sony offered to have her work with other people w/o need to contact the person she alleges raped her.
why can't you just google up stories on her yourself?
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There has to be a middle ground and I'm sure it will be reached. Sony is full of crap though. They let that one direction guy off the hook I believe.
She shouldn't have to spell out all the reasons she no longer wants to work for a company that employs her rapist. Just let her out of the deal and walk away
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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I haven't come across a concise factual article about the history of the litigation. It wasn't until after I posted NY's lack of a SOL for rape and someone posted something about Malibu that I found a/this case started in California. But I saw that one problem she's had in the current matter is her testimony from an earlier case in which she denied some of the things she's now saying happened. That case had people she had a deal with suing her for breaking that deal and getting w/the guy she's now trying to break off from.
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How come this rapist is not in prison?
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How come this rapist is not in prison?
Money, power, fame, like normal..
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She sounds like a total mess. High stakes human trafficking.
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How come this rapist is not in prison?
Money, power, fame, like normal..
Pretty sure it's cause of our rape culture
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How come this rapist is not in prison?
Money, power, fame, like normal..
Pretty sure it's cause of our rape culture
(https://scontent.fmci1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12717904_1042335052498303_3418940876745047994_n.jpg?oh=826ada06c8a8c2ac2138253b071f2534&oe=575DBBBF)
Has Kesha actually tried to bring criminal charges against Dr. Luke? Just wondering.
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(https://scontent.fmci1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12717904_1042335052498303_3418940876745047994_n.jpg?oh=826ada06c8a8c2ac2138253b071f2534&oe=575DBBBF)
Has Kesha actually tried to bring criminal charges against Dr. Luke? Just wondering.
How do we know all those beige people are rapists if they've never been convicted?
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(https://scontent.fmci1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12717904_1042335052498303_3418940876745047994_n.jpg?oh=826ada06c8a8c2ac2138253b071f2534&oe=575DBBBF)
Has Kesha actually tried to bring criminal charges against Dr. Luke? Just wondering.
How do we know all those beige people are rapists if they've never been convicted?
I'm curious about that too. I'll add that around 50% of the women I have encountered in my life were sexually assaulted. None of which were ever reported.
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a) rape is bad
b) those statistics are pieces of crap
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(https://scontent.fmci1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12717904_1042335052498303_3418940876745047994_n.jpg?oh=826ada06c8a8c2ac2138253b071f2534&oe=575DBBBF)
Has Kesha actually tried to bring criminal charges against Dr. Luke? Just wondering.
How do we know all those beige people are rapists if they've never been convicted?
:dubious:
The graphic is meant to illustrate how many women have been sexually assaulted and not reported it, not to point to specific people who are unconvicted rapists.
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(https://scontent.fmci1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12717904_1042335052498303_3418940876745047994_n.jpg?oh=826ada06c8a8c2ac2138253b071f2534&oe=575DBBBF)
Has Kesha actually tried to bring criminal charges against Dr. Luke? Just wondering.
How do we know all those beige people are rapists if they've never been convicted?
:dubious:
The graphic is meant to illustrate how many women have been sexually assaulted and not reported it, not to point to specific people who are unconvicted rapists.
Right but that graphic assumes that all of the men (aside from the two "falsely accused" ones) are, in fact, "rapists." And I'm saying that's a pretty big assumption to make -- especially when the statistic itself shows that only one in three of the apparent rapists who actually faced trial ended up being jailed.
I'm certainly not claiming that rape isn't underreported, but I am saying that the underreporting problem naturally makes rape statistics pretty much impossible to quantify.
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(https://scontent.fmci1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12717904_1042335052498303_3418940876745047994_n.jpg?oh=826ada06c8a8c2ac2138253b071f2534&oe=575DBBBF)
Has Kesha actually tried to bring criminal charges against Dr. Luke? Just wondering.
How do we know all those beige people are rapists if they've never been convicted?
:dubious:
The graphic is meant to illustrate how many women have been sexually assaulted and not reported it, not to point to specific people who are unconvicted rapists.
It's quite a catch 22. I mean, surely those figures were reported, or else the "rapists" number is literally completely fabricated. I guess unreported just means to the police.
Also, when you compare the reported to falsely accused numbers it is a bit more concerning. It doesn't make any sense to compare "falsely accused" to the number of rapes anonymously reported in surveys because there is literally no way to determine if those claims are true or false.
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Gaga and T-Swizzle are Team #FreeKesha so this will probably be a bigger thing soon. <3
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Surprised 'Ye hasn't come out in support of Kesha yet
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This guy's name is Dr. Luke? Like, he's a doctor? Luke is his last name?
This might be a tough business lesson for kesha, but bad relationship with company rep is not a basis to terminate a contract with company (it sounds like she doesn't like the K antmore).
Maybe her attorney can show Sony knew the guy was a cosby, and she can get a big negligence award for putting him in charge of her. But the contract is the contract
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There has to be a middle ground and I'm sure it will be reached. Sony is full of crap though. They let that one direction guy off the hook I believe.
She shouldn't have to spell out all the reasons she no longer wants to work for a company that employs her rapist. Just let her out of the deal and walk away
#TheWesIsTheFuture
You can't rip up a legal contract based on allegations. If he was convicted of any offense toward her, this would be a different situation.
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I know I know. I'm speaking with my heart and not my head.
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I know I know. I'm speaking with my heart and not my head.
I can feel that bro. Kesha's alright.
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I know I know. I'm speaking with my heart and not my head.
I can feel that bro. Kesha's alright.
:cheers:
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It's weird to me that Nebraska can get out of its Big 12 contract because they get a comparable offer from another Power 5 conference, but Kesha can't get out of her contract with the entity that allegedly raped her. It seems like there should be some sort of fair buyout that could be arranged.
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It's weird to me that Nebraska can get out of its Big 12 contract because they get a comparable offer from another Power 5 conference, but Kesha can't get out of her contract with the entity that allegedly raped her. It seems like there should be some sort of fair buyout that could be arranged.
Anyone can break a contract whenever they want. You just have to be willing to pay for it. That's what Nebraska did.
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(https://scontent.fmci1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12717904_1042335052498303_3418940876745047994_n.jpg?oh=826ada06c8a8c2ac2138253b071f2534&oe=575DBBBF)
Has Kesha actually tried to bring criminal charges against Dr. Luke? Just wondering.
How do we know all those beige people are rapists if they've never been convicted?
:dubious:
The graphic is meant to illustrate how many women have been sexually assaulted and not reported it, not to point to specific people who are unconvicted rapists.
Right but that graphic assumes that all of the men (aside from the two "falsely accused" ones) are, in fact, "rapists." And I'm saying that's a pretty big assumption to make -- especially when the statistic itself shows that only one in three of the apparent rapists who actually faced trial ended up being jailed.
I'm certainly not claiming that rape isn't underreported, but I am saying that the underreporting problem naturally makes rape statistics pretty much impossible to quantify.
Its a real graph with colors and everything that was passed around via Twitter or something, its obv real/correct. Don't you know how the internet works?
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The graphic would be better if they made it too like an American flag
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Dr. Luke says he didn't rape Kesha. I don't know if he did or did not, but it is pretty clear that she was on drugs at the time - otherwise she never would have fixed her hair like that.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb2fIldVAAEcEQW.png)
http://www.dailydot.com/entertainment/dr-luke-denies-kesha-rape-allegations-on-twitter/?fb=dd&type=cpc
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Good sign for Kesha today, Sony is dropping Dr Luke.
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Those songs she did with 3Oh3 were almost as bad as rape.
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Good sign for Kesha today, Sony is dropping Dr Luke.
Yayayay!
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Those songs she did with 3Oh3 were almost as bad as rape.
No. Stfu.
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Those songs she did with 3Oh3 were almost as bad as rape.
HUR HUR HUR
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Those songs she did with 3Oh3 were almost as bad as rape.
Wow, you are a terrible human.
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Those songs she did with 3Oh3 were almost as bad as rape.
HUR HUR HUR
Oh you HUR HUR HUR'ing is real rich.