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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: kso_FAN on February 10, 2016, 09:55:11 PM
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Early turnovers. No energy. Can't shoot. Disappointing performances from key players.
It is what it is. It is what this team is. It is Bruceketball.
oscar said it best in postgame I suppose... "From Saturday on top of the world to lower than a snake's belly".
We've seen far too much snake's belly the last 2 years.
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Pandering to sys.
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that sonofabitch.
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i really don't think our shooting would be a problem if our offense could get us good shots. i know that sounds overly simplistic but i don't agree that this team "can't shoot". our offense just doesn't generate high percentage shots from outside of the arc.
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1st half ... 12 TOs in 37 Poss
2nd half....started 10-33 with no 3pt (30% eFG)
Shocker... Piss poor ability taking care of ball. Piss poor shooting.
We had 8 TOs in first 17 Poss and Baylor got out to a 23-10 lead
Baylor had 9 TOs in their first 17 Poss of 2nd half.....yet Ksu only cut lead from 11 to 8 (56-48)
Before his 2 meaningless late 3s.... Edwards had 22 FGs, 20 TOs and 42% eFG in these last 7 gms
Westicles now has 29 TOs in his last 7 games. Hurt has 10 TOs in these last 3 games.
Gotta love how productive our upper classmen are
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i really don't think our shooting would be a problem if our offense could get us good shots. i know that sounds overly simplistic but i don't agree that this team "can't shoot". our offense just doesn't generate high percentage shots from outside of the arc.
I think there is merit to that, but you also just flat out have bad shooters when you are on pace to be historically bad. With the pieces we have and better shots, yes, they could be better though.
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ft% would suggest that they aren't great shooters.
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ok well, we would shoot better if we shot better shots
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3 pt % too. Playing zone is so easy when you don't have to closely contest anything beyond the arc.
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3 pt % too. Playing zone is so easy when you don't have to closely contest anything beyond the arc.
Big 12 opponents shoot 40.7% from 3 against Baylor, including tonight. To be fair, only 34.8% of opponents' shots are 3s, good for 4th in the league, which is actually more important.
But Baylor's zone really pressures the ball, so if you can get good ball movement you should get better shots as clams was pointing out and we certainly didn't do that tonight.
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https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/697625017056624640
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I wasn't happy with our energy on Defense, but with just over 4:00 to play, Baylor only had 1.00 PPP
Then Ervin missed a point blank layup off of an OR (would have cut lead to 5)
Then Wes doesn't block off the 6'5 white dude. Bay gets OR and a 3pt make
Then Edwards plays "Ole" defense as Freeman blows by him for a layup
10 pt lead with 3:00 left. Game over
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10 pt lead with 3:00 left. Game over
I remember distinctly, because this is when I left. I used to be that "never leave early" guy, but I couldn't take it anymore.
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10 pt lead with 3:00 left. Game over
I remember distinctly, because this is when I left. I used to be that "never leave early" guy, but I couldn't take it anymore.
amazing to see what this team has done to real fans
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3 pt % too. Playing zone is so easy when you don't have to closely contest anything beyond the arc.
I feel like it isn't 100% necessary to shoot a zone out from behind the arc if you have good high post passing and quick ball movement. I mean how many TOs did we have in the first half trying to do just that.....jfc those TOs were bad.
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Seeing those stats, I can't believe TO% ended up where it was. Figured we were far worse, relative to Baylor. I suppose I felt that way bc Baylor was so much better at turning those into points.
Hot Horndogs was probably one of our three best performers last night. Not a knock on him, just a statement on overall performance.
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I keep hearing people say that this team is fun to watch.
My response is always that a team that shoots this poorly is never fun to watch.
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I keep hearing people say that this team is fun to watch.
My response is always that a team that shoots this poorly is never fun to watch.
Those same people say that Frank's teams weren't fun to watch because they just clanged shots off the rim and tried to board :facepalm:
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I keep hearing people say that this team is fun to watch.
My response is always that a team that shoots this poorly is never fun to watch.
I think its in the context of good games; ie vs OU and OSU at home. When the offense is working, they can be very fluid and fun to watch. The problem is the norm is much more like we saw last night than those games.
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people are just incredibly bad at recognizing their biases. for kstate fans, a kstate team is inherently fun to watch.
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people are just incredibly bad at recognizing their biases. for kstate fans, a kstate team is inherently fun to watch.
True, but when it plays good basketball. If any K-State fan said last night's game was fun to watch they are just stupid.
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Last night was the least fun I've ever had at a K-State basketball game - it was ugly. Some Wooly/Asbury games I've attended were probably uglier but I didn't know how fun K-State basketball could be back then.
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True, but when it plays good basketball. If any K-State fan said last night's game was fun to watch they are just stupid.
i enjoyed it. but it's at least an open question whether i could be classified as a kstate fan or not.
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I did not have fun watching the Baylor game. I actually didn't even have much fun watching the OU game until the last 2 minutes or so. The last game I truly enjoyed was probably OSU.
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The interesting thing about oscar is that 3PT% is the single biggest indicator of success or failure while he's been at Illinois and K-State.
Every season he's had a team shoot 35% or better from 3 he's had an NCAA tournament team that finished in the Top 40 of kenpom.
In seasons where his team shoots worse than 35% from 3, he's only had 1 NCAA team (2014 K-State, 33.1%) and they finished #43 in kenpom.
If you sort any other advanced stat there are at least 2 outlier seasons. 3PT% is the most telling stat for oscar's teams, even more than offensive or defensive efficiency.
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The interesting thing about oscar is that 3PT% is the single biggest indicator of success or failure while he's been at Illinois and K-State.
Every season he's had a team shoot 35% or better from 3 he's had an NCAA tournament team that finished in the Top 40 of kenpom.
In seasons where his team shoots worse than 35% from 3, he's only had 1 NCAA team (2014 K-State, 33.1%) and they finished #43 in kenpom.
If you sort any other advanced stat there are at least 2 outlier seasons. 3PT% is the most telling stat for oscar's teams, even more than offensive or defensive efficiency.
Well, since the ball is pretty much just constantly being tossed around the perimeter, this is not terribly surprising.
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Every time we pulled a little closer I thought I was going to start having fun. But then Baylor would score or block one of our shots to take the thrill right out of it all. :cry: Please say it will get better . . .
Last night was the least fun I've ever had at a K-State basketball game - it was ugly.
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Supposedly Claws was riding in a car before the gamex and it was rear ended at 40 mph by a guy who got distracted from texting by driving. That explains things.
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I heard 55 mph, and claws was thrown from the car
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I heard Bill Walker threw him through the windshield.
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The interesting thing about oscar is that 3PT% is the single biggest indicator of success or failure while he's been at Illinois and K-State.
Every season he's had a team shoot 35% or better from 3 he's had an NCAA tournament team that finished in the Top 40 of kenpom.
In seasons where his team shoots worse than 35% from 3, he's only had 1 NCAA team (2014 K-State, 33.1%) and they finished #43 in kenpom.
If you sort any other advanced stat there are at least 2 outlier seasons. 3PT% is the most telling stat for oscar's teams, even more than offensive or defensive efficiency.
This is completely accurate. That is why his teams fall on their faces so often against crappy opponents. This year is actually a bit of an exception since we haven't had a horrible loss. This year we are just losing too much.
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horrible losses are tough to come by when you're in the bottom 25%
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The interesting thing about oscar is that 3PT% is the single biggest indicator of success or failure while he's been at Illinois and K-State.
Every season he's had a team shoot 35% or better from 3 he's had an NCAA tournament team that finished in the Top 40 of kenpom.
In seasons where his team shoots worse than 35% from 3, he's only had 1 NCAA team (2014 K-State, 33.1%) and they finished #43 in kenpom.
If you sort any other advanced stat there are at least 2 outlier seasons. 3PT% is the most telling stat for oscar's teams, even more than offensive or defensive efficiency.
This is completely accurate. That is why his teams fall on their faces so often against crappy opponents. This year is actually a bit of an exception since we haven't had a horrible loss. This year we are just losing too much.
are there a lot of successful teams that can't shoot 3's well?
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The interesting thing about oscar is that 3PT% is the single biggest indicator of success or failure while he's been at Illinois and K-State.
Every season he's had a team shoot 35% or better from 3 he's had an NCAA tournament team that finished in the Top 40 of kenpom.
In seasons where his team shoots worse than 35% from 3, he's only had 1 NCAA team (2014 K-State, 33.1%) and they finished #43 in kenpom.
If you sort any other advanced stat there are at least 2 outlier seasons. 3PT% is the most telling stat for oscar's teams, even more than offensive or defensive efficiency.
This is completely accurate. That is why his teams fall on their faces so often against crappy opponents. This year is actually a bit of an exception since we haven't had a horrible loss. This year we are just losing too much.
are there a lot of successful teams that can't shoot 3's well?
Obviously everyone want to shoot the three ball well. Fan is saying that Bruceketball is very reliant on the 3pt shot and that shows up in stats.
KU's dominance in the conference is not based on the three point shot, they win the Rebounding Margin almost every year. Frank Martin's team need to rebound as well.
2010
3-Point Field Goal Percentage
## Team G FG FGA Pct
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1.Colorado............ 16 110 279 .394
2.Texas Tech.......... 16 103 262 .393
3.Kansas.............. 16 107 273 .392
4.Baylor.............. 16 111 288 .385
5.Nebraska............ 16 104 276 .377
6.Oklahoma State...... 16 145 388 .374
7.Texas............... 16 88 241 .365
8.Missouri............ 16 112 325 .345
9.Kansas State........ 16 103 307 .336
10.Oklahoma............ 16 119 361 .330
11.Iowa State.......... 16 88 276 .319
12.Texas A&M........... 16 82 277 .296
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewContent.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=10410&CONTENT_ID=102458
Rebounding Margin
## Team G TEAM Avg OPP Avg Margin
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1.Kansas.............. 16 629 39.3 539 33.7 +5.6
2.Baylor.............. 16 583 36.4 500 31.3 +5.2
3.Texas............... 16 634 39.6 561 35.1 +4.6
4.Texas A&M........... 16 594 37.1 523 32.7 +4.4
5.Kansas State........ 16 618 38.6 554 34.6 +4.0
6.Oklahoma State...... 16 572 35.8 523 32.7 +3.1
7.Iowa State.......... 16 625 39.1 603 37.7 +1.4
8.Oklahoma............ 16 539 33.7 586 36.6 -2.9
9.Nebraska............ 16 505 31.6 561 35.1 -3.5
10.Missouri............ 16 565 35.3 626 39.1 -3.8
11.Texas Tech.......... 16 557 34.8 663 41.4 -6.6
12.Colorado............ 16 435 27.2 617 38.6 -11.4