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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: renocat on February 02, 2016, 08:49:15 PM
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I was travelling today and listening to conservative talk radio and the call nuts acted like Rubio was a wart from Hillary's butt crack. Why? Cause he 8 ganged by a bunch Republican Poombahs who said we had to cow tow to Hispanics and pass an immigration bill. Well we have a snazzy Latin guy to apply some butt grease too.
Are number 1 goal is to beat Hillary. Having a 100 pure virgin superconservative is a bunch of horseshit. I could.vote any of our top 3. But eating each others from the bad person in is stupid
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I heard that show, and actually, they were objecting to the hypocrisy Rubio exhibited when he rode the wave of the Tea Party and conservatism to get elected and then once in office, rapidly abandoned those principles to back a bill which would have stabbed legal immigrants of all races in the back by granting amnesty to illegal aliens currently living in the shadows in the US.
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:lol:
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Why in the hell is this the litmus test for rabid mouth frothing connservatives? Is this a winning argument in the fall election? Do they remember their hero Regan signed an amnesty bill? Why the double standard of forgiveness now? Why do you suck hold like a bunch of butt leaches to a man who said he favors a form of single pay health care and other lib things? If a change in positions is damning, then who passes the test? Who quietly shows his Christian faith and doesn't bastardize it at the altar of political idolatry? Rabidcon, take a good crap and clean your system out, and think. Don't wound each so Hillary wins and we loooze.
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I heard that show, and actually, they were objecting to the hypocrisy Rubio exhibited when he rode the wave of the Tea Party and conservatism to get elected and then once in office, rapidly abandoned those principles to back a bill which would have stabbed legal immigrants of all races in the back by granting amnesty to illegal aliens currently living in the shadows in the US.
I know some legal immigrants and can pretty safely say that none would feel stabbed in the back by this. Most people aren't bitter enough to go "It was a nightmare for me to go through so I want that for everyone else"
Maybe just my friends tho :dunno:
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There are non-pragmatic people on both sides. It's probably fair to say that conservatives tend to be a bit more thoughtful and critical of our own than the liberal lemming approach. (The half of Dems that aren't supporting a Socialist are supporting a woman who lied about keeping a private server to dodge FOIA requests while jeopardizing the security of high level classified information, and will likely be recommended for indictment by the FBI. Why? Well, she's a woman, and a Clinton, but she's also the only other choice.)
Being critical is not a bad thing during the primaries. I share your concern that some conservative pundits have gone so over the top that they are seriously undermining turnout in the general. But you know what will help encourage turnout - even to vote for Trump? The Dems nominating Hillary Clinton.
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:love:
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OMFSM :lol:
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I don't like this idea that Marco Rubio is all the sudden being labeled as an establishment candidate. I know Rubio's got the baggage of that Gang of Eight bill, and I know that in many people's minds he's got the baggage of wanting to grant the current number of illegals citizenship. I understand that. But Marco Rubio is no moderate Republican centrist. I could sit here like anyone else could for why he did the Gang of Eight, but I'm not even going to try to put words into his mouth. I don't want to be seen as making excuses. I don't see Marco Rubio as anything other than a legitimate, full-throated conservative. Nobody's pure, and nobody is ever free of making mistakes.
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Marco isn't enough of a gigantic bad person to be a conservative
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I know some legal immigrants and can pretty safely say that none would feel stabbed in the back by this. Most people aren't bitter enough to go "It was a nightmare for me to go through so I want that for everyone else"
Maybe just my friends tho :dunno:
Do you never object when people cut in line in front of you -- especially those excruciatingly long ass lines like at the DMV?
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I know some legal immigrants and can pretty safely say that none would feel stabbed in the back by this. Most people aren't bitter enough to go "It was a nightmare for me to go through so I want that for everyone else"
Maybe just my friends tho :dunno:
Do you never object when people cut in line in front of you -- especially those excruciatingly long ass lines like at the DMV?
this is the stupidest comparison ever. and so commonly used.
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this is the stupidest comparison ever. and so commonly used.
Why?
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this is the stupidest comparison ever. and so commonly used.
Why?
I guess it's kind of a stupid comparison because illegal immigrants actually broke the law to cut in front of you, whereas I don't think it's a crime to cut in line at the DMV (could be wrong about this).
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because there's no line that 99% of illegal immigrants can stand in to legally immigrate, you ignorant piece of crap.
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because there's no line that 99% of illegal immigrants can stand in to legally immigrate, you ignorant piece of crap.
That's simply not true. The "line" for immigration is the legal immigration process and it happens every day. I know people who went through the process and it DOES result in their legally becoming citizens.
But it's always easier for more impatient folks to try and circumvent the process by sneaking across the border and living in the shadows....
...just like when you are in line at the DMV and some lady who is on her lunch break and can't be bothered to wait her turn like everyone else cuts to the front of the line.
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like i said. you are ignorant and also a piece of crap.
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It's actually like somebody going and getting a fake DL while I'm waiting in line at the DMV. It doesn't affect me at all and I'm not bothered by it.
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like i said. you are ignorant and also a piece of crap.
If you're saying there's no line for immigrants without useful training or education (or family in the US, which is a strange criteria but it's the law), that's sorta true. At least, they're going to be waiting in line a good long while - maybe forever. But that's kind of the point of a legal immigration system. And it doesn't mean there's no line - just that it's easier to sneak across than gain the qualifications to enter legally.
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like i said. you are ignorant and also a piece of crap.
If you're saying there's no line for immigrants without useful training or education, that's sorta true. At least, they're going to be waiting in line a good long while - maybe forever. But that's kind of the point of a legal immigration system. And it doesn't mean there's no line - just that it's easier to sneak across than gain the qualifications to enter legally.
Except a lot of them do have useful skills and that is why employers are willing to risk hiring them illegally.
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like i said. you are ignorant and also a piece of crap.
If you're saying there's no line for immigrants without useful training or education, that's sorta true. At least, they're going to be waiting in line a good long while - maybe forever. But that's kind of the point of a legal immigration system. And it doesn't mean there's no line - just that it's easier to sneak across than gain the qualifications to enter legally.
Except a lot of them do have useful skills and that is why employers are willing to risk hiring them illegally.
Not the skills deemed useful by our laws. We can change the laws (and should), but they are the laws. And it doesn't mean "there's no line."
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because there's no line that 99% of illegal immigrants can stand in to legally immigrate, you ignorant piece of crap.
he's not wrong though. The US has many types of visas or work permits. The problem is that people don't want to work through the system. From H2As and H2Bs to proper naturalization it's an expensive and time consuming process that many elect not to follow and many benefit from that decision, like large ag companies.
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If you're saying there's no line for immigrants without useful training or education (or family in the US, which is a strange criteria but it's the law), that's sorta true. At least, they're going to be waiting in line a good long while - maybe forever. But that's kind of the point of a legal immigration system. And it doesn't mean there's no line - just that it's easier to sneak across than gain the qualifications to enter legally.
it is perfectly legitimate to maintain that most people in the world should not be allowed to immigrate to the united states. that's a logically consistent and defensible policy proposition. it's intellectually dishonest to pretend that those people have a path to legally immigrate and they are choosing instead to immigrate illegally because it is either quicker or easier.
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he's not wrong though. The US has many types of visas or work permits. The problem is that people don't want to work through the system. From H2As and H2Bs to proper naturalization it's an expensive and time consuming process that many elect not to follow and many benefit from that decision, like large ag companies.
what a surprise. two posters from completely opposite sides of the political spectrum. united by ignorance. and by being giant pieces of crap.
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it is perfectly legitimate to maintain that most people in the world should not be allowed to immigrate to the united states. that's a logically consistent and defensible policy proposition. it's intellectually dishonest to pretend that those people have a path to legally immigrate and they are choosing instead to immigrate illegally because it is either quicker or easier.
(To make you feel more at home...) I had to read that three times to make any sense of what you wrote - and I'm a little dumber for the effort.
Who is asking that "most people in the world should not be allowed to immigrate to the united states?" Further, what is logical or illogical about something nobody is asking for?
I know of people who came here illegally solely because it was quicker and/or easier. They could have gone through the process like others I knew who were of similar skill levels and education and did go through the legal process, but did not because they didn't want to wait and work for it.
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Who is asking that "most people in the world should not be allowed to immigrate to the united states?" Further, what is logical or illogical about something nobody is asking for?
that's the policy we already have.
I know of people who came here illegally solely because it was quicker and/or easier. They could have gone through the process like others I knew who were of similar skill levels and education and did go through the legal process, but did not because they didn't want to wait and work for it.
there are people like that. they are the very small minority of illegal immigrants. the great majority of illegal immigrants have no legal avenue to immigrate to the united states.
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http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/why-don%E2%80%99t-they-just-get-line
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I'm legitimately stunned that people think that the process to become a citizen is easy and readily available. I'd have to think these people have never met anyone who isn't from some small sheltered somewhere in bfe.
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Sorry Sys the shitty ad homs don't really carry weight. I'm not arguing that the system isn't mumped. But it's willfully ignorant to think that people aren't coming here illegal because it isn't a fuckload easier. Lets also not conflate immigration with naturalization.
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Sorry Sys the shitty ad homs don't really carry weight. I'm not arguing that the system isn't mumped. But it's willfully ignorant to think that people aren't coming here illegal because it isn't a fuckload easier. Lets also not conflate immigration with naturalization.
really the only way to be ignorant on this issue is to willfully choose to be so, so i'm not surprised by your post.
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Sorry Sys the shitty ad homs don't really carry weight. I'm not arguing that the system isn't mumped. But it's willfully ignorant to think that people aren't coming here illegal because it isn't a fuckload easier. Lets also not conflate immigration with naturalization.
really the only way to be ignorant on this issue is to willfully choose to be so, so i'm not surprised by your post.
You keep saying that We're wrong with zero explanation of why you THINK that. I've told you exactly how you're wrong, just pinning your fingers in your ears and screaming you're wrong isn't a legitimate answer.
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the great majority of illegal immigrants have no legal avenue to immigrate to the united states.
That's just like saying, "...the people that broke into my house and stole my property have no legal avenue to be able to take my stuff legally..."
Immigration shouldn't be easy. If you have no borders, and no border enforcement, you have no country.
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You keep saying that We're wrong with zero explanation of why you THINK that.
i posted a link.
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That's just like saying, "...the people that broke into my house and stole my property have no legal avenue to be able to take my stuff legally..."
yes, that's fine. just don't pretend you were going to give it to them if they'd have lined up and waited.
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It's pretty easy to become a citizen of most G7/8 countries except the United States. Germany, France, UK . . . just show up and declare citizenship.
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You keep saying that We're wrong with zero explanation of why you THINK that.
i posted a link.
Oh you mean the same one that agrees with me that "...most undocumented immigrants do not have the necessary family relationships to apply for legal entry, or, if they do, they face years or decades of waiting for a visa." And further "...most undocumented immigrants do not work in professions that qualify for a green card." Which is why I mentioned H2As and Bs. I mean if you want to get into J1s too we can do that. The reality is that many immigrants are here for unskilled labor jobs that we don't want to pay a high wage for. That puts a unique strain on American systems. But it's absurd to say that there isn't a line. The line is broken and stupidly organized. It often fucks people over who would make great "Americans" with what they have to offer. The problem is that many of the illegal immigrants aren't necessarily people the US "needs" as it's economy evolves.
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yes, that's fine. just don't pretend you were going to give it to them if they'd have lined up and waited.
You've never donated to charitable organizations that come to your door?
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yes, that's fine. just don't pretend you were going to give it to them if they'd have lined up and waited.
You've never donated to charitable organizations that come to your door?
is this still a metaphor for immigration?
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Oh you mean the same one that agrees with me.
good lord but you're stupid.
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I listened to Hannity today interviewing Rubio, and he was asked.if he would put.the.8 ganger proposal into place if he was.president. paraphrasing his answer, Hell no. Rubio said when the gangerthing came up, Republicans in the Senate knew that immigration was a problem and that they had to get something by Harryass Red so it would.get to the house to be altered. Rubio admitted he made a mistake. But to Rabidcon who masturbates to National Review this ain't good enough.
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Oh you mean the same one that agrees with me.
good lord but you're stupid.
belly up in submission I see
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I listened to Hannity today interviewing Rubio, and he was asked.if he would put.the.8 ganger proposal into place if he was.president. paraphrasing his answer, Hell no. Rubio said when the gangerthing came up, Republicans in the Senate knew that immigration was a problem and that they had to get something by Harryass Red so it would.get to the house to be altered. Rubio admitted he made a mistake. But to Rabidcon who masturbates to National Review this ain't good enough.
He didn't make a mistake though, unless the mistake was him not having the foresight to know that being a decent person would harm him when he eventually ran for president. Even if he was thinking about his future as a presidential candidate when he joined the gang of eight he had to think that it would be beneficial politically because; one, he was doing something that Hispanics would be relatively happy with and two, he was working across the aisle. Becoming a more welcoming party to Hispanics and being the party that is willing to work across the aisle are things the Republican party talks about when not in a primary cycle, but when the chips are down the party continues to be hijacked by the same old partisan morons and guys like Marco jumps through their hoops like the good little show pony he is because he wants to be president.
He like Hillary will move right back to the middle when they win the nomination and everyone will be happy and wonderful with the status quo of a president who appeals to no one and everyone at the same time.
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He like Hillary will move right back to the middle when they win the nomination and everyone will be happy and wonderful with the status quo of a president who appeals to no one and everyone at the same time.
Yeah, just like Reagan did.
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He like Hillary will move right back to the middle when they win the nomination and everyone will be happy and wonderful with the status quo of a president who appeals to no one and everyone at the same time.
Yeah, just like Reagan did.
Jesus, that was five presidents ago, old balls
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First, Rubio will not go McCain He will govern from the right as he said on Hannity he will assemble a team of conservative leaders who are there to make America great on not use their positions to enrich themselves like Hillary and Lurch. Demo-nuts are crapping themselves at the thought of a.principled charismatic conservative being the nominee. It is disingenuous for anyone who is a supporter of MG to chastise anyone for changing political views. I just hope the simple minded minions of the tea party think what is at stake. Rubio will not gang 8 us as president. Trump is a different story. Cruz will go Nixon.
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If Edna keeps this up, I might have to withdraw my whack a doodle nomination.
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If you're saying there's no line for immigrants without useful training or education (or family in the US, which is a strange criteria but it's the law), that's sorta true. At least, they're going to be waiting in line a good long while - maybe forever. But that's kind of the point of a legal immigration system. And it doesn't mean there's no line - just that it's easier to sneak across than gain the qualifications to enter legally.
it is perfectly legitimate to maintain that most people in the world should not be allowed to immigrate to the united states. that's a logically consistent and defensible policy proposition. it's intellectually dishonest to pretend that those people have a path to legally immigrate and they are choosing instead to immigrate illegally because it is either quicker or easier.
Sys, you're smarter than this. Really. Illegal immigration is absolutely quicker and easier for most poor immigrants than obtaining the qualifications necessary to legally immigrate. This is not a serious point of debate.
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how dense are you people? you're not even talking about the same thing
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it's been enjoyable tho
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how dense are you people? you're not even talking about the same thing
not really when sys doubles down. I know what he wants to say and it's still wrong.
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Illegal immigration is absolutely quicker and easier for most poor immigrants than obtaining the qualifications necessary to legally immigrate. This is not a serious point of debate.
if your argument is that it's faster for a zapotec farmer to strap 5 gallons of water to his back and walk across 150 miles of desert than it is to become an electronic engineer and teach himself to code, then i guess i've been barking up the wrong tree.
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Illegal immigration is absolutely quicker and easier for most poor immigrants than obtaining the qualifications necessary to legally immigrate. This is not a serious point of debate.
if your argument is that it's faster for a zapotec farmer to strap 5 gallons of water to his back and walk across 150 miles of desert than it is to become an electronic engineer and teach himself to code, then i guess i've been barking up the wrong tree.
Perhaps you'd like to try explaining your point more clearly?
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i wasn't considering making yourself among the most desirable 0.000001 of employees worldwide part of the immigration process.
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sys, why are you even trying?
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sys, why are you even trying?
i get sucked in. :frown:
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sys, why are you even trying?
i get sucked in. :frown:
Don't get mad at us because your argument has no logic.
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it's faster for a zapotec farmer to strap 5 gallons of water to his back and walk across 150 miles of desert
Most farmers own the land they farm. That's why we call them farmers. This zapotec farmer you speak of, where is his farm?
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My favorite g.E threads are when sys does sys things and destroys posters. :love:
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This zapotec farmer you speak of, where is his farm?
oaxaca, prolly.
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oaxaca, prolly.
That's in Mexico. If his huge farm is in Mexico, why is he coming over to America illegally?
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My favorite g.E threads are when sys does sys things and destroys posters. :love:
You ever notice how conservatives never jump in to fluff each other and harumph their opinions?
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oaxaca, prolly.
That's in Mexico. If his huge farm is in Mexico, why is he coming over to America illegally?
his farm isn't huge. :cry:
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his farm isn't huge. :cry:
Is is nominally profitable?
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ok, whose sock is this?
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'lemy is just the best
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his farm isn't huge. :cry:
Is it nominally profitable?
he hasn't paid taxes in years.
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'lemy is just the best
like the pit version of tannoudji
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National Review, the magazine for conservative right hand romances, posed thr question. Why do top conservatives pardon Trump, but condemn Rubio? The masturmag points out Trump has abandoned support for.causes they support, he evens supports universal health care. But no Rubio has one night of sin with the ganger 8ers and they can't forgive as he is tainted. He didn't rape your ma or sister, shoot your dog, or crap in your lunch. Some head frother allytolah of conservative crap said hate Marco.
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Because Trump gives voice to the anger and frustration they feel. And he's stronger on immigration (rhetorically - probably not in application), which is a very important issue to conservatives. It's as simple as that.
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Because Trump gives voice to the anger and frustration they feel. And he's stronger on immigration (rhetorically - probably not in application), which is a very important issue to conservatives. It's as simple as that.
Trump is coming apart like Chad Everett in Airplane.
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Because Trump gives voice to the anger and frustration they feel. And he's stronger on immigration (rhetorically - probably not in application), which is a very important issue to conservatives. It's as simple as that.
Trump is coming apart like Chad Everett in Airplane.
I've said that many times. It doesn't ever seem to matter to his supporters. They are literally so pissed they can't see straight.
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Because Trump gives voice to the anger and frustration they feel. And he's stronger on immigration (rhetorically - probably not in application), which is a very important issue to conservatives. It's as simple as that.
Trump is coming apart like Chad Everett in Airplane.
I've said that many times. It doesn't ever seem to matter to his supporters. They are literally so pissed they can't see straight.
It's not just trump supporters, it's the right in general. Fear and anger get republican votes
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Because Trump gives voice to the anger and frustration they feel. And he's stronger on immigration (rhetorically - probably not in application), which is a very important issue to conservatives. It's as simple as that.
Trump is coming apart like Chad Everett in Airplane.
I've said that many times. It doesn't ever seem to matter to his supporters. They are literally so pissed they can't see straight.
It's not just trump supporters, it's the right in general. Fear and anger get republican votes
Makes some go.stupid too.
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I hate double standard sob-ists. Rubio has said it was a mistake to have gotten ganged eighted. He is being held to some stoopid purist doctrine. In turn they support Flipper Trump. I know.who I trust to toe the line for conservativism in rising water.