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Title: Think about this......
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 21, 2016, 11:26:45 AM
We have the Youngest Team in the Big 12.....We'll be fine. The future looks bright and we are playing some pretty good basketball. oscar doesn't need to be fired, no one needs to be benched. Enjoy the ride. They will get much better.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 21, 2016, 11:27:50 AM
this ride is not enjoyable. watching the team get worse every year is not enjoyable fan man.
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Post by: slobber on January 21, 2016, 11:28:57 AM
He needs to keep them here for their sophomore year.


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Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: kstate4life on January 21, 2016, 11:29:09 AM
These "young" players will get worse before they leave K-State early.
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Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 21, 2016, 11:30:57 AM
I can never hold out long enough on these, it's a GPC thread, bros.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: BostonPancake on January 21, 2016, 11:32:49 AM
I never got the "enjoy the ride", or "it will be fun watching them grow" line.  How is this fun?  You know what is fun?  Winning.  That is really fun.  Also, I'm sure it's been discussed before and I don't feel like looking it up, but I don't recall a lot of players at Illinois or at K-State ever really improving with oscar.  I'm sure some did, but to just throw a blanket statement out there that we will be so much better next year is a bit of a reach.  I wouldn't be surprised if this same crap happens next year.

We have a finite amount of games we get to watch in our lifetime, and to have 2-4 years of that taken away really pisses me off.  I'll never get those games back.

 :frown:
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: #LIFE on January 21, 2016, 12:16:06 PM
I don't recall a lot of players at Illinois or at K-State ever really improving with oscar.

It's this. They won't be any better next season and I'd wager there will be some sort of rift between players/coach that ends with some of them leaving/being kicked off.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: catastrophe on January 21, 2016, 12:59:06 PM
I will most likely be cancelling my cable subscription soon.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: CNS on January 21, 2016, 01:00:16 PM
I will most likely be cancelling my cable subscription soon.

Its too bad the chiefs and royals don't still suck. 

Otherwise, yeah.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: manpow5 on January 21, 2016, 01:35:00 PM
We've not lost by more than 10 pts and we have taken multiple teams in to double overtime. Oh, and the only team that we have lost to that is not in the top 25 is Texas (who beat WVU) last night. Yea, it sucks losing, I barely watch full games any more, but seeing as our team of nobodys is going up against the deepest conference in CBB and some of this years best teams in CBB, I can't complain a whole lot. oscar has taken no names and in one off season put together something that mildly looks like a decent team. Losing sucks, but firing a coach every other year because he can't put a national championship team together in a single off season is kind BS, IMO. So instead of bitching, go out and pak your faces off, cheer on the cats, and lets make these guys feel like we actually give a crap about them.

(Keeping my shirt tucked in).
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: 'taterblast on January 21, 2016, 01:36:24 PM
this season would be acceptable if i had confidence our coach knew how to improve on it. he's proven that he doesn't.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: kstate4life on January 21, 2016, 01:50:36 PM
We've not lost by more than 10 pts and we have taken multiple teams in to double overtime. Oh, and the only team that we have lost to that is not in the top 25 is Texas (who beat WVU) last night. Yea, it sucks losing, I barely watch full games any more, but seeing as our team of nobodys is going up against the deepest conference in CBB and some of this years best teams in CBB, I can't complain a whole lot. oscar has taken no names and in one off season put together something that mildly looks like a decent team. Losing sucks, but firing a coach every other year because he can't put a national championship team together in a single off season is kind BS, IMO. So instead of bitching, go out and pak your faces off, cheer on the cats, and lets make these guys feel like we actually give a crap about them.

(Keeping my shirt tucked in).

Iowa State...
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: manpow5 on January 21, 2016, 02:05:24 PM
We've not lost by more than 10 pts and we have taken multiple teams in to double overtime. Oh, and the only team that we have lost to that is not in the top 25 is Texas (who beat WVU) last night. Yea, it sucks losing, I barely watch full games any more, but seeing as our team of nobodys is going up against the deepest conference in CBB and some of this years best teams in CBB, I can't complain a whole lot. oscar has taken no names and in one off season put together something that mildly looks like a decent team. Losing sucks, but firing a coach every other year because he can't put a national championship team together in a single off season is kind BS, IMO. So instead of bitching, go out and pak your faces off, cheer on the cats, and lets make these guys feel like we actually give a crap about them.

(Keeping my shirt tucked in).

Iowa State...

My mistake, we lost by 13 to them.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: 8manpick on January 21, 2016, 02:22:26 PM
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Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 21, 2016, 02:24:22 PM
Here's to having one decent year every three to four years!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: CNS on January 21, 2016, 02:42:39 PM
Our team of nobodies is there because of our coach and his player management.  I mean, it's like some are celebrating the fact that our players are inferior and giving him credit for not overcoming a problem he created.

If frank burned down sprads house, but frank put it out before it became a total loss, he would still be an bad person for starting the fire.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: manpow5 on January 21, 2016, 03:42:57 PM
Our team of nobodies is there because of our coach and his player management.  I mean, it's like some are celebrating the fact that our players are inferior and giving him credit for not overcoming a problem he created.

If frank burned down sprads house, but frank put it out before it became a total loss, he would still be an bad person for starting the fire.

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Title: Re: Think about this......
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Title: Re: Think about this......
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Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: manpow5 on January 21, 2016, 04:12:28 PM
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Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2016, 04:31:50 PM
tcu is younger
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: EMAWzified on January 21, 2016, 05:16:27 PM
We have the youngest team in the league (is this really true?) in oscar's fourth year. Give him three more, and we'll be playing in diapers.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2016, 05:36:54 PM
We have the youngest team in the league (is this really true?) in oscar's fourth year. Give him three more, and we'll be playing in diapers.


I just told you TCU was younger. I am correct.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: kso_FAN on January 21, 2016, 05:56:53 PM
We have the youngest team in the league (is this really true?) in oscar's fourth year. Give him three more, and we'll be playing in diapers.


I just told you TCU was younger. I am correct.

Its really close though!
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: stunted on January 22, 2016, 02:58:12 AM
1 more year
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Post by: ednksu on January 22, 2016, 02:28:52 PM
So what happens if oscar has defections this year or after next with this core of "young talent".
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: kso_FAN on January 22, 2016, 02:30:11 PM
So what happens if oscar has defections this year or after next with this core of "young talent".

It feeds and reinforces the narrative.
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Post by: LickNeckey on January 22, 2016, 02:39:18 PM
just give it time

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Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: kso_FAN on January 22, 2016, 02:42:07 PM
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/k-stated/article56047575.html
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: steve dave on January 22, 2016, 02:44:36 PM
I've mostly not watched us play which turns out to be a good decision because we lose constantly
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: 0.42 on January 22, 2016, 03:36:33 PM
I've mostly not watched us play which turns out to be a good decision because we lose constantly

it's a pretty great way to be imo
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: SdK on January 22, 2016, 04:46:08 PM
I watch every game I can.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: kso_FAN on January 22, 2016, 05:12:14 PM

I watch every game I can.

I do too, but I have to miss a lot of games.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: Muldoon on January 22, 2016, 05:52:20 PM
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/k-stated/article56047575.html
Oscar has brachydactyly (freakishly short fingers). http://www.handresearch.com/diagnostics/finger-length.htm
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: SdK on January 22, 2016, 06:56:48 PM

I watch every game I can.

I do too, but I have to miss a lot of games.
This is why you're a great fan and also why they call me _FAN II
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 22, 2016, 07:17:03 PM
I've seen every game this year, because I hate myself.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: star seed 7 on January 22, 2016, 07:33:20 PM
I have watched bits and pieces of 3 or 4 matches
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 22, 2016, 07:52:25 PM
We have the youngest team in the league (is this really true?) in oscar's fourth year. Give him three more, and we'll be playing in diapers.


I just told you TCU was younger. I am correct.

Its really close though!

Have to remember we have 2 freshmen that haven't played .
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: michigancat on January 22, 2016, 08:01:04 PM
We have the youngest team in the league (is this really true?) in oscar's fourth year. Give him three more, and we'll be playing in diapers.


I just told you TCU was younger. I am correct.

Its really close though!

Have to remember we have 2 freshmen that haven't played .

You can't count players that don't play.


Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: yoman on January 25, 2016, 07:36:39 PM
What's frustrating about this whole team of nobodies talking point is that we shouldn't be if oscar knows anything about recruiting/player management. We are super close to having a backcourt of Josh Gray and Marcus Foster with Brown and Stokes coming off the bench. Edwards and Westicles at the wings with Claws coming off the bench, and Hurt at the 5 with DJamer coming off the bench. That's a pretty good team,  top 5 even in this big 12 and certainly top 25.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: wetwillie on January 25, 2016, 07:41:39 PM
lol...throw in all the recruits we just missed on while you are at it.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: yoman on January 25, 2016, 07:46:38 PM
lol...throw in all the recruits we just missed on while you are at it.

Gray is ours if we don't offer Orris. Fine, substitute out Nigel Johnson for Gray. Worse team, but still significantly better than what we are putting on the floor. Still incredibly frustrating due to oscar's incompetence
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: SdK on January 25, 2016, 08:09:55 PM
Wasn't there a lot of turnover on teams before oscar came here?
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 25, 2016, 08:19:36 PM
Stokes is the best PG we've had in quite awhile.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 25, 2016, 08:52:45 PM
We have the youngest team in the league (is this really true?) in oscar's fourth year. Give him three more, and we'll be playing in diapers.


I just told you TCU was younger. I am correct.

Its really close though!

Have to remember we have 2 freshmen that haven't played .

You can't count players that don't play.

So we are more experienced because we have less players?   :bang:
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 25, 2016, 09:21:35 PM
Gonna go out on a limb and say gray would have transferred
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: michigancat on January 25, 2016, 09:25:10 PM


We have the youngest team in the league (is this really true?) in oscar's fourth year. Give him three more, and we'll be playing in diapers.


I just told you TCU was younger. I am correct.

Its really close though!

Have to remember we have 2 freshmen that haven't played .

You can't count players that don't play.

So we are more experienced because we have less players?   :bang:

No, we're more experienced than TCU because we have more experienced players playing. This shouldn't be a difficult concept.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 25, 2016, 09:31:38 PM
We rely far more on freshman and those "experienced" players are transfers you rough ridin' jerkoff. This place is so rough ridin' annoying sometimes
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: catastrophe on January 25, 2016, 10:28:51 PM
I'm a big fan of the hypothetical hoops Cats! :ksu:
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: michigancat on January 25, 2016, 11:34:40 PM
We rely far more on freshman and those "experienced" players are transfers you rough ridin' jerkoff. This place is so rough ridin' annoying sometimes

TCU starts two transfers, also, you friggin moron.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 26, 2016, 09:08:29 AM
We rely far more on freshman and those "experienced" players are transfers you rough ridin' jerkoff. This place is so rough ridin' annoying sometimes

TCU starts two transfers, also, you friggin moron.

I do not think Trent starts, but yeah, that's all their transfers. They play 8 guys, and 1 of them is a freshman (who plays the fewest minutes of the 8).

Probably not worth arguing about, but your overly technical application of the term "younger", which is obviously a reference to experience, was really stupid and disingenuous
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: kso_FAN on January 26, 2016, 09:21:46 AM
Here, do with this what you want:

Rank   Team   Experience
3   Iowa St.   2.46
49   Oklahoma   2.14
102   Texas   1.92
109   Baylor   1.91
132   Kansas   1.82
176   Texas Tech   1.71
197   West Virginia   1.66
225   Oklahoma St.   1.59
240   Kansas St.   1.52
253   TCU   1.46

Experience
- The experience value is in terms of years of college experience where a player’s eligibility class is assumed to determine this. For the purposes of the calculation, a freshman has zero years of experience, a sophomore has one year of experience, etc.

- Like the average height calculation, the experience calculation weights the experience of each player on the roster based on minutes played. Players that have played less than 10% of their team’s minutes are not included.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: michigancat on January 26, 2016, 09:34:52 AM
We rely far more on freshman and those "experienced" players are transfers you rough ridin' jerkoff. This place is so rough ridin' annoying sometimes

TCU starts two transfers, also, you friggin moron.

I do not think Trent starts, but yeah, that's all their transfers. They play 8 guys, and 1 of them is a freshman (who plays the fewest minutes of the 8).

Probably not worth arguing about, but your overly technical application of the term "younger", which is obviously a reference to experience, was really stupid and disingenuous


Trent has started all but one of the games he's played and they have five total transfers on the roster.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: ChiComCat on January 26, 2016, 09:40:39 AM
Fuzzy numbers up in here
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 26, 2016, 09:44:51 AM
We rely far more on freshman and those "experienced" players are transfers you rough ridin' jerkoff. This place is so rough ridin' annoying sometimes

TCU starts two transfers, also, you friggin moron.

I do not think Trent starts, but yeah, that's all their transfers. They play 8 guys, and 1 of them is a freshman (who plays the fewest minutes of the 8).

Probably not worth arguing about, but your overly technical application of the term "younger", which is obviously a reference to experience, was really stupid and disingenuous


Trent has started all but one of the games he's played and they have five total transfers on the roster.

They have 3 transfers who have logged game action, 1 who has played garbage time and 1 from arkansas who has 4 years in the program.  You're not lying, you're just egregiously misreprenting the situation.

Again, not worth arguing.
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: ChiComCat on January 26, 2016, 09:47:10 AM
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eff your quantifiable way to factually represent the data
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: michigancat on January 26, 2016, 09:58:18 AM
We rely far more on freshman and those "experienced" players are transfers you rough ridin' jerkoff. This place is so rough ridin' annoying sometimes

TCU starts two transfers, also, you friggin moron.

I do not think Trent starts, but yeah, that's all their transfers. They play 8 guys, and 1 of them is a freshman (who plays the fewest minutes of the 8).

Probably not worth arguing about, but your overly technical application of the term "younger", which is obviously a reference to experience, was really stupid and disingenuous


Trent has started all but one of the games he's played and they have five total transfers on the roster.

They have 3 transfers who have logged game action, 1 who has played garbage time and 1 from arkansas who has 4 years in the program.  You're not lying, you're just egregiously misreprenting the situation.

Again, not worth arguing.
Yeah I guess you can't count players that don't play can you
Title: Re: Think about this......
Post by: kso_FAN on February 09, 2016, 06:28:45 PM
Well, looks like kenpom reads this board...  http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/measuring_continuity