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Title: Final UPDATE: 2016 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on January 08, 2016, 12:48:44 PM
1st installment of Big 12 4 Factors for 2016! Keep in mind, numbers are pretty crazy because of the small sample size.

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F01%2F1-8-16-Big-12-Four-Factors.png&hash=ffe0bf13d39e160e3b274a5accb4fccd5277544c)
Title: Re: 1-8-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: sys on January 08, 2016, 12:52:44 PM
numbers are pretty crazy because of the small sample size.

it's so weird to see osu atop kstate in 3% defense.
Title: Re: 1-8-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: BostonPancake on January 08, 2016, 03:17:42 PM
15.8% 3PT%.   :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

how is that even possible?

Title: Re: 1-8-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: ksupamplemousse on January 08, 2016, 03:27:07 PM
Terrible shooters and we're actually pretty good at not turning it over, seems like oscar might want to run the floor instead of waiting for Hopper to take a guarded 30 footer with 1 second on the shot clock
Title: Re: 1-8-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 08, 2016, 06:27:19 PM
RPI is weird. Tech is 7th?
Title: Re: 1-8-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: sys on January 08, 2016, 06:33:36 PM
RPI is weird. Tech is 7th?

it's not weird so much as bad at doing what it purports to do.
Title: Re: 1-8-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: Skipper44 on January 08, 2016, 08:58:16 PM
RPI is weird. Tech is 7th?
this article does a nice job breaking down why the rpi kinda sucks

http://basketballpredictions.blogspot.com/2015/12/how-to-inflate-your-resume-how-texas.html?m=1 (http://basketballpredictions.blogspot.com/2015/12/how-to-inflate-your-resume-how-texas.html?m=1)
Title: Re: 1-8-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 09, 2016, 08:30:08 AM
No way we continue shooting that poorly. I've got to think that would be historically awful
Title: Re: 1-8-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: cas4ksu on January 09, 2016, 10:03:22 AM
No way we continue shooting that poorly. I've got to think that would be historically awful

I also don't think we can continue to defend the 3 as well as we are.
Title: Re: 1-8-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: Powercat Posse on January 09, 2016, 10:19:24 PM
3 gms now Offensivly...

0.98 PPP
44% eFG
14-64 from 3pt ( 21.9%)

Those are numbers for a 4-5 win team in B12. 
Gotta be more like 48% eFG, 1.05-1.06 PPP and 33-34% from 3pt
Title: Re: 1-8-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 10, 2016, 09:14:09 AM

Those are numbers for a 4-5 win team in B12. 
Gotta be more like 48% eFG, 1.05-1.06 PPP and 33-34% from 3pt

There's no reason that shouldn't be achievable.
Title: Re: 1-8-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on January 10, 2016, 08:08:56 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F01%2F1-10-16-Big-12-Four-Factors1.png&hash=5d1d4a6c1c4054ca1b72dc92356a0110a951f72e)

A lot of ridiculous looking numbers only 3 games in; ie. only 3 teams have a positive PPP differential right now.

For example, Baylor setting the pace with the league's best offense and also the worst (and very terrible) defense.
Title: Re: 1-8-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 10, 2016, 08:44:23 PM
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A lot of ridiculous looking numbers only 3 games in; ie. only 3 teams have a positive PPP differential right now.

For example, Baylor setting the pace with the league's best offense and also the worst (and very terrible) defense.

Whole thing is batshit crazy. Baylor number one offense, 9th eFG%. Tech #1 in 2pt% dif, 10# in 3pt% diff. OSU is doing a lot of things really really well and is pretty shitty. Baylor is just bi-polar as crap. 
Title: Re: 1-10-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on January 10, 2016, 09:22:31 PM
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A lot of ridiculous looking numbers only 3 games in; ie. only 3 teams have a positive PPP differential right now.

For example, Baylor setting the pace with the league's best offense and also the worst (and very terrible) defense.

Whole thing is batshit crazy. Baylor number one offense, 9th eFG%. Tech #1 in 2pt% dif, 10# in 3pt% diff. OSU is doing a lot of things really really well and is pretty shitty. Baylor is just bi-polar as crap. 

I made some corrections, some of that was wrong. Still a lot of crazy.
Title: Re: 1-10-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 10, 2016, 09:28:45 PM
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A lot of ridiculous looking numbers only 3 games in; ie. only 3 teams have a positive PPP differential right now.

For example, Baylor setting the pace with the league's best offense and also the worst (and very terrible) defense.

Whole thing is batshit crazy. Baylor number one offense, 9th eFG%. Tech #1 in 2pt% dif, 10# in 3pt% diff. OSU is doing a lot of things really really well and is pretty shitty. Baylor is just bi-polar as crap. 

I made some corrections, some of that was wrong. Still a lot of crazy.

Thats a lot better, but still crazy. If we can find a way to knock down some threes and lock down on the 2pt defense we can get into the meat of the league and find that bubble life.
Title: Re: 1-10-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on January 10, 2016, 09:33:00 PM
Thats a lot better, but still crazy. If we can find a way to knock down some threes and lock down on the 2pt defense we can get into the meat of the league and find that bubble life.

I agree. I suppose I'm crazy/dumb enough to still believe its possible. This will be a big week.
Title: Re: 1-10-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on January 10, 2016, 10:57:47 PM
Thats a lot better, but still crazy. If we can find a way to knock down some threes and lock down on the 2pt defense we can get into the meat of the league and find that bubble life.

I agree. I suppose I'm crazy/dumb enough to still believe its possible. This will be a big week.

Big big week. Both games are projected as grinders. Win both and a good chance our projected conference record is 8-10, having us firmly on bubble town USA.
Title: Re: 1-10-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: EMAWforever on January 11, 2016, 11:40:48 AM
I just don't  see the Cats having enough on the floor leadership to be able to make it to 6 wins.  Thus no tourney for us.  Our upperclassmen can't put it together.  Stokes can't seem to shoot again.  Leaning on Brown and Wade to carry us is not going to work long term.  Hurt, Wes, and hopper need to pick it up and be consistent every game.  I hope I eat my words.  If they can keep the freshman around long enough so they can become the leaders in the future(which history shows is not probably likely), the future looks pretty okay if they can get some help at the center spot.
Title: Re: 1-10-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on January 14, 2016, 10:21:00 AM
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Title: Re: 1-14-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on January 18, 2016, 11:22:21 AM
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Title: Re: 1-18-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: sys on January 18, 2016, 12:49:52 PM
33%.   :frown:
Title: Re: 1-18-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: SleepFighter on January 18, 2016, 02:41:33 PM
33%.   :frown:

Our overall ranking and Big 12 only ranking are the same!
Title: Re: 1-18-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on January 21, 2016, 09:23:44 AM
We are 1/3 through the Big 12 schedule...

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Note: K-State currently leads the league in FT% defense.
Title: Re: 1-21-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on January 24, 2016, 09:54:09 AM
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Title: Re: 1-24-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: wetwillie on January 24, 2016, 10:06:59 AM
The RPI hates the cats and loves the horns
Title: Re: 1-18-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: catastrophe on January 24, 2016, 06:24:36 PM
We are 1/3 through the Big 12 schedule...

Note: K-State currently leads the league in FT% defense.

Is FT% defense an actual stat? I thought the point of free throws was that there was no defense involved (LFT%IQ).
Title: 1-24-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on January 24, 2016, 06:31:37 PM
We are 1/3 through the Big 12 schedule...

Note: K-State currently leads the league in FT% defense.

Is FT% defense an actual stat? I thought the point of free throws was that there was no defense involved (LFT%IQ).

:)

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/is_free_throw_defense_real
Title: Re: 1-24-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: Powercat Posse on January 24, 2016, 10:43:02 PM
Good things....We are best in B12 in TOs forced, above league ave in OR and FTR, and have shot 71.5% from the FT line since bad 1st half (7-17) of B12 opener

Bad things...Other than our obvious bad/inconsistent eFG and 3pt shooting, we need to lower our TO% and be better on DR%.  Also our Opp have shot 50.0% or better from 2pt in 6 of the 7 games (52.0% or higher in the 5 losses)
Title: Re: 1-24-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: catastrophe on January 24, 2016, 11:12:01 PM

We are 1/3 through the Big 12 schedule...

Note: K-State currently leads the league in FT% defense.

Is FT% defense an actual stat? I thought the point of free throws was that there was no defense involved (LFT%IQ).

:)

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/is_free_throw_defense_real

Insightful. That makes it seem like good FT% defense indicates a well coached team, though.
Title: Re: 1-24-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: Powercat Posse on January 25, 2016, 10:42:26 PM
According to my calculations, KU in their last 7 games has ....
Off PPP 1.03 Def PPP 1.06
That's kinda stunning.

Ksu 7 gms, we are at 1.06 and 1.07
In both teams last 7, Ksu played Baylor, KU played Tcu, and we both faced 6 similar teams

Just shows how poor KU has played, cause our play hasn't been anything to brag about




Title: Re: 1-24-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on January 28, 2016, 09:18:24 AM
Updated Big 12 numbers:

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Its strange to see KU in the middle in efficiency differential. It will also be interesting to see how long WVU's great defense can carry a pretty poor offense.
Title: Re: 1-28-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on January 28, 2016, 02:40:59 PM
Also, this is what kenpom says about the Big 12/SEC challenge. Looks about right.

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Title: Re: 1-28-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on February 04, 2016, 09:33:23 AM
Halfway through Big 12 play.

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eFG% offense and defense for the Cats are not good. That's a bad combination if you want to win any games.

Title: Re: 2-4-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on February 07, 2016, 01:18:56 PM
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Title: Re: 2-4-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on February 07, 2016, 02:59:28 PM
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Wish there was a way to adjust Baylors ast% due to their bat crap crazy score keeper.
Title: Re: 2-7-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on February 08, 2016, 12:26:37 PM
Big 12 trends since 2003 for advanced stats.

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F02%2F2-8-16NCAA-Stats.png&hash=4ad20d92e6819ddc94aea906f9e1178e03816eb7)
Title: Re: 2-7-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on February 11, 2016, 12:42:52 PM
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Title: Re: 2-11-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 11, 2016, 12:57:12 PM
looks like trading Roy for Self killed pace in this league
Title: Re: 2-11-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on February 11, 2016, 01:20:06 PM
looks like trading Roy for Self killed pace in this league

Sort of. It is interesting to look at the Big 12 (right) compared to NCAA as a whole (left):

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Title: Re: 2-11-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 11, 2016, 10:05:11 PM
1) Only 1 of our losses were we 33.3% (we shot 5-10) or above on 3pt.  And that game we only took 16% of our shots from 3pt. Plus in that game we also shot a worst 38.9% on 2pt ( shot 46.0% or better on 2pt in 6 of the 8 losses)

2) Last 8 B12 games, we have a TO% of 24.2. We also turned ball over 1/4 of Poss vs Ole Miss.
In last 9 games overall, we have had a higher TO% than our Opp.

3) Our OR% is about the same in our Losses as in our wins. 
Our FTR is a respectable 37.9 and we have shot 70% on FTs in the 8 losses

4) Obviously eFG has been the huge difference in the wins vs the losses. We have been under 48.0 in every loss. 66,65, and 59% in the wins
Title: Re: 2-11-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on February 14, 2016, 09:31:51 AM
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Title: Re: 2-14-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: The Whale on February 14, 2016, 11:40:23 AM
It's incredible how bad this team is at 3s.  But then when you watch the games, they take a lot of guarded, off-balance, or fade away 3s because the shot clock is expiring.

Shocking that passing the ball back and forth between Edwards and Westicles with no movement doesn't open up better shots.

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Title: Re: 2-14-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on February 18, 2016, 09:27:18 AM
Congrats Bill. (again)

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Title: Re: 2-18-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on February 19, 2016, 12:40:03 PM
Come on Iowa State dude. I mean, I know you can find the stats and make the charts like this on your own, anyone can really, but I've been doing this for several years. I'm certain he didn't just come up with the idea out of the blue.

https://twitter.com/khaal53/status/700749752221077504
Title: Re: 2-18-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: Cire on February 19, 2016, 12:43:25 PM
yours looks a million times better fan.
Title: Re: 2-18-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: cDubya on February 20, 2016, 09:01:47 AM
yours looks a million times better fan.
Title: Re: 2-18-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: wetwillie on February 20, 2016, 09:48:02 AM
thanks for reading the board kirk
Title: Re: 2-18-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on February 21, 2016, 08:45:27 AM
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Title: Re: 2-21-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on February 25, 2016, 12:24:31 PM
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Title: Re: 2-25-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on February 26, 2016, 10:27:06 AM
I decided to compile the per 100s for the entire Big 12. Minimum was 50% of minutes played to make the list.

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Title: Re: 2-25-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on March 03, 2016, 09:09:13 AM
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The Cats come all the way back to take over the assistketball lead with only 1 game to go!
Title: Re: 3-3-16 UPDATE: 2015 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: kso_FAN on March 05, 2016, 09:40:38 PM
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The end.
Title: Re: Final UPDATE: 2016 Big 12 Four Factors
Post by: cDubya on March 07, 2016, 02:08:47 AM
 :clap:

This never goes unapprrciated, I can assure you.