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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 06, 2016, 11:48:22 AM
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It's a presidential election year, which means the various "fact check" groups will be ramping into overdrive. But most of these groups are just liberal journalists spreading their propaganda under the auspices of "fact checking."
Take, for example, PolitiFact's recent assessment (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/05/barack-obama/obama-violent-felons-can-buy-guns-online-without-b/) of this gun control howler from Barack Obama:
A violent felon can buy (a gun) over the Internet with no background check, no questions asked.
Of course, this isn't remotely true - a violent felon can't legally buy a gun, over the internet or otherwise. But PolitiFact rated the remark as "Mostly True" based on the following rationale:
Quite a few readers flagged Obama’s claim that a violent felon can buy a gun online without a background check, so we decided to fact-check it.
Some readers seemed to think Obama was suggesting such transactions were legal. We don’t see that in Obama’s comments. (The grammarians at PolitiFact would note that Obama said "can," not "may.") To be clear, such a transaction would be illegal. What Obama said is that such transactions are possible. That is accurate, but it’s also a little more complicated than Obama’s comment suggests.
Everybody get that? Because Obama said "can" instead of "may," he was obviously talking about how felons can break the law in purchasing over the internet. :lol:
But if you adopt PolitiFact's interpretation - that Obama was simply referring to felons breaking the law - then his comment is completely irrelevant. Of course a felon "can" violate existing law, the same way the felon "can" violate any new rules imposed under Obama's new law executive action. He'll simply use a straw purchaser, or find an illegal seller. So to get to "mostly true," PolitiFact chose to interpret Obama's remark in a way that makes it completely irrelevant.
Now try to imagine PolitiFact engaging in such Orwellian drivel in support of a Republican claim.
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such rage at facts
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SNOPES IS RUN BY GEORGE SOROS
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Also, great thread. The regresocon "proof" of liberal media ( :curse: ) is some of my favorite reading :lol:
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ksuw, your point was well made. that is ridiculous.
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felons can also drive over the speed limit
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felons can also drive over the speed limit
should be outlawed.
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media :curse:
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http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/06/obamas-claims-about-internet-gun-sales-are-completely-false/ (http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/06/obamas-claims-about-internet-gun-sales-are-completely-false/)
A more thorough debunking or the PolitiFact piece. Will the author issue a retraction/correction? I doubt it.
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ksuw, your point was well made. that is ridiculous.
agreed. it's a ridiculous statement, and Politifact's rationale of what the statement meant is maybe even more ridiculous.
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Liberals misspeak, conservatives lie.
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Liberals misspeak, conservatives lie.
This seems unfair. I think all people lie.
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This seems like the major recent gun control thread..so I'll just throw this on here.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/republican-congressman-tells-chris-hayes-law-abiding-gun-owners-pose-risk/
I was told more guns made us more safe. I guess not.
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Didnt read any of the links, but perhaps he meant that the increased staffing he proposed would be able to investigate more of these online sellers who illegally sell guns to felons?
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My issue with the statement is "no questions asked." The felon would almost certainly be asked "are you a cop? you know you have to legally tell me if you are"
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My issue with the statement is "no questions asked." The felon would almost certainly be asked "are you a cop? you know you have to legally tell me if you are"
Why would someone ask a felon that?
Also you see many that say they will not ask any questions for fear of creating some sort of liability for themselves.
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My issue with the statement is "no questions asked." The felon would almost certainly be asked "are you a cop? you know you have to legally tell me if you are"
Why would someone ask a felon that?
Also you see many that say they will not ask any questions for fear of creating some sort of liability for themselves.
Hey dumbass, selling online direct is already a felony.
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My issue with the statement is "no questions asked." The felon would almost certainly be asked "are you a cop? you know you have to legally tell me if you are"
Why would someone ask a felon that?
Also you see many that say they will not ask any questions for fear of creating some sort of liability for themselves.
Hey dumbass, selling online direct is already a felony.
Please learn the laws before you speak again.
https://www.atf.gov/questions-and-answers/qa/what-recordkeeping-procedures-should-be-followed-when-two-unlicensed
Note I never said interstate.
What you wanted to get at, but failed.
https://www.atf.gov/questions-and-answers/qa/how-may-unlicensed-person-receive-firearm-his-or-her-state-he-or-she
Now the issue becomes, which I have had dealings with directly, is that you can private party a firearm out of state very easily and many people wont ask questions for fear of committing a felony. Some might ask if you are a resident only, some might ask about your criminal status, others will not. Point being, if everything is required to go through an FFL or some sort of background check they eliminate the sellers who only ask yes/no questions or those who choose not to ask questions.
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My issue with the statement is "no questions asked." The felon would almost certainly be asked "are you a cop? you know you have to legally tell me if you are"
yep. this is 101 stuff.
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Let's not get lost in the weeds here. Obama's comment was, at best, grossly misleading. PolitiFact: "Mostly True" because he said "can." :facepalm:
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Let's not get lost in the weeds here. Obama's comment was, at best, grossly misleading. PolitiFact: "Mostly True" because he said "can." :facepalm:
Yea - I think everybody heard your point and largely agreed with you. Sorry if you're waiting for more posters to jerk you off but I think we moved on
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Let's not get lost in the weeds here. Obama's comment was, at best, grossly misleading. PolitiFact: "Mostly True" because he said "can." :facepalm:
Yea - I think everybody heard your point and largely agreed with you. Sorry if you're waiting for more posters to jerk you off but I think we moved on
I'd have to rate this post as mildly untrue and extremely butthurt