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Title: Trevor Knight
Post by: HamBoned on December 10, 2015, 07:32:19 PM
 :dunno:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: star seed 7 on December 10, 2015, 07:41:07 PM
Come on over bud!
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: chum1 on December 10, 2015, 07:47:36 PM
Loser.



Come on over.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: wetwillie on December 10, 2015, 07:48:47 PM
Team cancer etc
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 10, 2015, 08:02:13 PM
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Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Tobias on December 10, 2015, 08:03:21 PM
:spracne:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: FranklyFrankYou on December 10, 2015, 08:27:33 PM
Kyle Allen from A&M is transferring as well.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Katpappy on December 10, 2015, 08:55:19 PM
Why are we getting our hopes up wishing for QB's from teams we normally beat.   :whistle1:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: That_Guy on December 10, 2015, 09:04:44 PM
I'd take both QB's in a heartbeat, but every time there's been good quarterbacks transferring out that have shown interest, we usually don't land them. So I'm not going to get my hopes up.


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Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 10, 2015, 09:26:09 PM
Trevor Knight is well suited for our system. Would take, hard
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: troubledscribe on December 10, 2015, 10:36:10 PM
I'd take both QB's in a heartbeat, but every time there's been good quarterbacks transferring out that have shown interest, we usually don't land them. So I'm not going to get my hopes up.


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I'm in the exact same boat.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 10, 2015, 10:45:03 PM
There's never been a transfer that ever made sense tho. At least in the last 4 years.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: i poo crabs on December 10, 2015, 10:58:47 PM
Trevor Knight is well suited for our system. Would take, hard

christmas wish ... trevor knight sending snyder out on top, and venables take over afterwards.  if venables doesn't take over for snyder, i think i'd shed too many tears for a grown ass man :crossfingers:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: bucket on December 10, 2015, 11:20:51 PM
I'd take both QB's in a heartbeat, but every time there's been good quarterbacks transferring out that have shown interest, we usually don't land them. So I'm not going to get my hopes up.


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I'm in the exact same boat.

The last one to show interest in us and burn us was Masoli, forever ago
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: manpow5 on December 11, 2015, 12:17:59 AM
http://www.bringonthecats.com/2015/12/10/9889640/qb-trevor-knight-granted-full-release-by-okahoma-considering-kansas?_ga=1.226910238.222447875.1363504849

Dreiling thinks hes interested
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: sunny_cat on December 11, 2015, 12:40:48 AM
I could give a eff what Tyler Dreiling says
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: bones129 on December 11, 2015, 01:05:28 AM
I could give a eff what Tyler Dreiling says

Agreed.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Trogdor on December 11, 2015, 01:46:40 AM
Trevor Knight is well suited for our system. Would take, hard
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: slobber on December 11, 2015, 07:27:04 AM

I'd take both QB's in a heartbeat, but every time there's been good quarterbacks transferring out that have shown interest, we usually don't land them. So I'm not going to get my hopes up.


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I'm in the exact same boat.
My mind is in that boat, but my heart is sailing off in a different direction.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: meow meow on December 11, 2015, 08:22:33 AM
I could give a eff what Tyler Dreiling says

why don't you then
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: KanSt43 on December 11, 2015, 09:22:34 AM
lol @ him following Klein...
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: meow meow on December 11, 2015, 09:31:02 AM
Klein recruiting sounds awful
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 11, 2015, 09:38:10 AM
Klein recruiting sounds awful
How so?!
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: meow meow on December 11, 2015, 09:42:27 AM
socially awkward
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 11, 2015, 09:44:17 AM
socially awkward
Have you met him?
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: meow meow on December 11, 2015, 09:45:43 AM
yes
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 11, 2015, 09:48:15 AM
I mean, he was a Heisman finalist. I would think recruits would listen to him.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Katpappy on December 11, 2015, 09:55:41 AM
I mean, he was a Heisman finalist. I would think recruits would listen to him.  :dunno:
They do... Waters.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 11, 2015, 10:02:43 AM
I mean, he was a Heisman finalist. I would think recruits would listen to him.  :dunno:
They do... Waters.
I know!!!  :Woohoo:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 11, 2015, 10:07:09 AM
yes
Maybe he didn't like you. I mean, just by your performance on this board, i'm sure he wanted to mush you away. Also, maybe since you weren't a QB recruit, he didn't feel like he had to be on around you. I mean, Currie last week, was kinda like "who the eff is this guy" when My guy introduced me to him and he looked like he could give two effs. I don't blame him for it. I didn't really give two effs either. He was in my view of the game.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: meow meow on December 11, 2015, 10:19:34 AM
Hey wacky, where were your seats at for the WV game?
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 11, 2015, 10:24:24 AM
Hey wacky, where were your seats at for the WV game?
Nice tap out.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: meow meow on December 11, 2015, 10:29:02 AM
quit obsessing over me bruh
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Functianalyst on December 11, 2015, 10:55:29 AM
I wonder if Stoops would be open to  Knight joining Baylor, TCU, OSU or even UT?  I think he would be welcomed at any of those schools.  I think UT would benefit most, but Knight would give K-State 2 years to develop the next QB. 

Interestingly I remember when the rumors started that Baker Mayfield would transfer to OU as a walk on, the fans here in Oklahoma scoffed at the idea that he could beat out Trevor Knight.  It would be poetic justice for Knight to transfer and start at another Big 12 school and hand OU a loss next year.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: TownieCat on December 11, 2015, 11:05:00 AM
I wonder if Stoops would be open to  Knight joining Baylor, TCU, OSU or even UT?  I think he would be welcomed at any of those schools.  I think UT would benefit most, but Knight would give K-State 2 years to develop the next QB. 

Interestingly I remember when the rumors started that Baker Mayfield would transfer to OU as a walk on, the fans here in Oklahoma scoffed at the idea that he could beat out Trevor Knight.  It would be poetic justice for Knight to transfer and start at another Big 12 school and hand OU a loss next year.

Knight only has one year of eligibility left, not two.

Also, do not want. He was great vs. Bama in the Sugar Bowl and since then has been nothing more than mediocre -- 6-4 as a starter last year and struggled a lot in his only game with meaningful time this year (TCU). He would probably be asked to do different things in Dimel's offense and he could add depth to the QB position, but I'm not so sure that he would be the starter next season.

If he can't come in and be the clear #1 guy then I don't want him.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: catastrophe on December 11, 2015, 11:50:58 AM

I wonder if Stoops would be open to  Knight joining Baylor, TCU, OSU or even UT?  I think he would be welcomed at any of those schools.  I think UT would benefit most, but Knight would give K-State 2 years to develop the next QB. 

Interestingly I remember when the rumors started that Baker Mayfield would transfer to OU as a walk on, the fans here in Oklahoma scoffed at the idea that he could beat out Trevor Knight.  It would be poetic justice for Knight to transfer and start at another Big 12 school and hand OU a loss next year.

Knight only has one year of eligibility left, not two.

Also, do not want. He was great vs. Bama in the Sugar Bowl and since then has been nothing more than mediocre -- 6-4 as a starter last year and struggled a lot in his only game with meaningful time this year (TCU). He would probably be asked to do different things in Dimel's offense and he could add depth to the QB position, but I'm not so sure that he would be the starter next season.

If he can't come in and be the clear #1 guy then I don't want him.

With our style of offense. We can use all the depth we can get at the QB position. This year was a major wake up call.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: troubledscribe on December 11, 2015, 11:58:46 AM
I wonder if Stoops would be open to  Knight joining Baylor, TCU, OSU or even UT?  I think he would be welcomed at any of those schools.  I think UT would benefit most, but Knight would give K-State 2 years to develop the next QB. 

Interestingly I remember when the rumors started that Baker Mayfield would transfer to OU as a walk on, the fans here in Oklahoma scoffed at the idea that he could beat out Trevor Knight.  It would be poetic justice for Knight to transfer and start at another Big 12 school and hand OU a loss next year.

Knight only has one year of eligibility left, not two.

Also, do not want. He was great vs. Bama in the Sugar Bowl and since then has been nothing more than mediocre -- 6-4 as a starter last year and struggled a lot in his only game with meaningful time this year (TCU). He would probably be asked to do different things in Dimel's offense and he could add depth to the QB position, but I'm not so sure that he would be the starter next season.

If he can't come in and be the clear #1 guy then I don't want him.

You are right.... Why bother trying to get decent quarterbacks when we can just find a random junior varsity kansas qb much easier.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: cfbandyman on December 11, 2015, 12:10:27 PM
It won't happen, but I'd take him in a heartbeat. You'd be kidding yourself if you wouldn't take him either. Then we could redshirt Delton, and have Cali Love + Hubes be 2 and 3 back ups. Imagine a already two year seasoned Delton taking the reigns as a RS Sophomore and owning souls for 3 years :love:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 11, 2015, 12:11:47 PM
It won't happen, but I'd take him in a heartbeat. You'd be kidding yourself if you wouldn't take him either. Then we could redshirt Delton, and have Cali Love + Hubes be 2 and 3 back ups. Imagine a already two year seasoned Delton taking the reigns as a RS Sophomore and owning souls for 3 years :love:
You're forgetting about the stud QB that we just recruited this year.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: cfbandyman on December 11, 2015, 12:13:25 PM
It won't happen, but I'd take him in a heartbeat. You'd be kidding yourself if you wouldn't take him either. Then we could redshirt Delton, and have Cali Love + Hubes be 2 and 3 back ups. Imagine a already two year seasoned Delton taking the reigns as a RS Sophomore and owning souls for 3 years :love:
You're forgetting about the stud QB that we just recruited this year.

Then we have a happy problem then, and another Sams-Waters fight on our hands.
Title: Trevor Knight
Post by: kso_FAN on December 11, 2015, 12:38:12 PM
It won't happen, but I'd take him in a heartbeat. You'd be kidding yourself if you wouldn't take him either. Then we could redshirt Delton, and have Cali Love + Hubes be 2 and 3 back ups. Imagine a already two year seasoned Delton taking the reigns as a RS Sophomore and owning souls for 3 years :love:

Delton will probably use up his RS season with a medical RS for this past season. He'll have 4 to play 4. Same thing either way I suppose.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: The Big Train on December 11, 2015, 12:54:44 PM

There's never been a transfer that ever made sense tho. At least in the last 4 years.

Are you saying at QB, or any position?
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 11, 2015, 12:56:24 PM

There's never been a transfer that ever made sense tho. At least in the last 4 years.

Are you saying at QB, or any position?
At QB. We've had a solid string of starters at Qb since Klein, until this year.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: The Big Train on December 11, 2015, 12:57:54 PM


There's never been a transfer that ever made sense tho. At least in the last 4 years.

Are you saying at QB, or any position?
At QB. We've had a solid string of starters at Qb since Klein, until this year.

:dubious:

but I can agree partly. now if you were talking about any position, man was I gonna lay the smackdown
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 11, 2015, 01:05:09 PM
Well, you're just going to have to get over your butthurt for Waters. If we were talking position players, I would have demanded WR's and RB's ASAP!
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: The Big Train on December 11, 2015, 01:14:15 PM
Whoa, who said anything about Waters. Obsess much :lol:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 11, 2015, 01:15:12 PM
Whoa, who said anything about Waters. Obsess much :lol:
Well, it was pretty apparent with the  :dubious: look and that you "partly" agree.  :gocho:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: The Big Train on December 11, 2015, 01:16:39 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Gooch on December 11, 2015, 01:18:56 PM
The :dubious: was for your use of "string of QB's". One is not a string
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2015, 01:33:53 PM
I'm getting pretty pissed off at people treating Trevor Knight like he's Cam Newton. Stop telling other posters that they're fools or idiots for not wanting this dude. Some of you guys want to be thirsty for a dude benched, fine do that but stop acting like this guy is done savior when Russell Wilson was the only grad transfer QB in the history of the world that actually worked out.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Emo EMAW on December 11, 2015, 01:35:46 PM
I'm getting pretty pissed off at people treating Trevor Knight like he's Cam Newton. Stop telling other posters that they're fools or idiots for not wanting this dude. Some of you guys want to be thirsty for a dude benched, fine do that but stop acting like this guy is done savior when Russell Wilson was the only grad transfer QB in the history of the world that actually worked out.

So you are saying we're due!  :excited:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: meow meow on December 11, 2015, 01:56:00 PM
hey look MIR is pissed about something  :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: cfbandyman on December 11, 2015, 02:27:04 PM
I'm getting pretty pissed off at people treating Trevor Knight like he's Cam Newton. Stop telling other posters that they're fools or idiots for not wanting this dude. Some of you guys want to be thirsty for a dude benched, fine do that but stop acting like this guy is done savior when Russell Wilson was the only grad transfer QB in the history of the world that actually worked out.

Who says he's Cam Newton? And who the hell on our roster right now is better than he is? Sorry he got benched for Baker Mayfield, I'll make sure to send my condolences to him. GMAFB.

hey look MIR is pissed about something  :horrorsurprise:

Sun rises in the east, water is wet.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: cfbandyman on December 11, 2015, 02:30:34 PM
Don't even know why need to emotional about this anyways, not like he's coming here.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2015, 02:36:52 PM
hey look MIR is pissed about something  :horrorsurprise:

hey look meow meow is doing his unconfident loser with no original thoughts thing again :zzz:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: meow meow on December 11, 2015, 02:53:22 PM
hey look MIR is pissed about something  :horrorsurprise:

hey look meow meow is doing his unconfident loser with no original thoughts thing again :zzz:

eff yeah bruh, unconfident losers are the best!
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: catastrophe on December 11, 2015, 04:13:35 PM

I'm getting pretty pissed off at people treating Trevor Knight like he's Cam Newton. Stop telling other posters that they're fools or idiots for not wanting this dude. Some of you guys want to be thirsty for a dude benched, fine do that but stop acting like this guy is done savior when Russell Wilson was the only grad transfer QB in the history of the world that actually worked out.

I think most folks here are just excited about anyone who could drop Hubes a little lower on the depth chart.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: kso_FAN on December 11, 2015, 04:39:29 PM
1) Knight was decent, but not a great QB at OU.
2) If he wants to come to K-State and compete for a spot there is no reason not to let him have a shot.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: star seed 7 on December 11, 2015, 05:28:32 PM
The next Russell Wilson  :excited:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: WildcatPower on December 11, 2015, 08:46:33 PM
Can't see him coming to Manhattan.

He'd be better off going to the C-USA or the WAC.

Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: wetwillie on December 11, 2015, 08:52:58 PM
Jeff Driskel kind of beat our ass a little, maybe add that to the list?
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 11, 2015, 09:26:59 PM
>
I'm getting pretty pissed off at people treating Trevor Knight like he's Cam Newton. Stop telling other posters that they're fools or idiots for not wanting this dude. Some of you guys want to be thirsty for a dude benched, fine do that but stop acting like this guy is done savior when Russell Wilson was the only grad transfer QB in the history of the world that actually worked out.

Now, imagine that quarterback. . . isn't white
#mcconaughay
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: meow meow on December 11, 2015, 09:50:32 PM
We started a qb all year that never started in high school, yeah we should definitely tell Knight to piss off.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: pvegs on December 11, 2015, 11:31:13 PM
I'm getting pretty pissed off at people treating Trevor Knight like he's Cam Newton. Stop telling other posters that they're fools or idiots for not wanting this dude. Some of you guys want to be thirsty for a dude benched, fine do that but stop acting like this guy is done savior when Russell Wilson was the only grad transfer QB in the history of the world that actually worked out.

vernon adams was pretty great at oregon this year. if he wouldn't have broken his finger/been concussed, oregon wins the pac 12 again.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2015, 11:38:51 PM
I'm getting pretty pissed off at people treating Trevor Knight like he's Cam Newton. Stop telling other posters that they're fools or idiots for not wanting this dude. Some of you guys want to be thirsty for a dude benched, fine do that but stop acting like this guy is done savior when Russell Wilson was the only grad transfer QB in the history of the world that actually worked out.

vernon adams was pretty great at oregon this year. if he wouldn't have broken his finger/been concussed, oregon wins the pac 12 again.

Yeah he did very well as the season progressed
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: stunted on December 12, 2015, 07:24:26 AM
you have to be an absolute Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to not want him at ksu.

worst case extra depth.

best case, the 10% chance he figures crap out and plays to his potential.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: WildcatPower on December 12, 2015, 11:14:05 AM
you have to be an absolute respect to not want him at ksu.

worst case extra depth.

best case, the 10% chance he figures crap out and plays to his potential.

Do I want his talents in Manhattan? Absolutely.

The problem I see of Knight is he is made out of glass. There's always some kind of injuries going on with this kid, and you combine that with Snyder's offense, well....
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 12, 2015, 11:54:56 AM
you have to be an absolute respect to not want him at ksu.

worst case extra depth.

best case, the 10% chance he figures crap out and plays to his potential.

Do I want his talents in Manhattan? Absolutely.

The problem I see of Knight is he is made out of glass. There's always some kind of injuries going on with this kid, and you combine that with Snyder's offense, well....

Ertz was our starting QB
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: WildcatPower on December 12, 2015, 11:57:01 AM
you have to be an absolute respect to not want him at ksu.

worst case extra depth.

best case, the 10% chance he figures crap out and plays to his potential.

Do I want his talents in Manhattan? Absolutely.

The problem I see of Knight is he is made out of glass. There's always some kind of injuries going on with this kid, and you combine that with Snyder's offense, well....

Ertz was our starting QB

That's my point. Ertz was our starting QB, injured.

Then assuming Knight comes in, plays, gets injured.

We're right back to Hubes....
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: That_Guy on December 12, 2015, 11:58:47 AM

you have to be an absolute respect to not want him at ksu.

worst case extra depth.

best case, the 10% chance he figures crap out and plays to his potential.

Do I want his talents in Manhattan? Absolutely.

The problem I see of Knight is he is made out of glass. There's always some kind of injuries going on with this kid, and you combine that with Snyder's offense, well....

Ertz was our starting QB

That's my point. Ertz was our starting QB, injured.

Then assuming Knight comes in, plays, gets injured.

We're right back to Hubes....

No. There's Delton, Cali Love, and Sky Thompson.


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Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: catastrophe on December 12, 2015, 12:22:31 PM

you have to be an absolute respect to not want him at ksu.

worst case extra depth.

best case, the 10% chance he figures crap out and plays to his potential.

Do I want his talents in Manhattan? Absolutely.

The problem I see of Knight is he is made out of glass. There's always some kind of injuries going on with this kid, and you combine that with Snyder's offense, well....

Ertz was our starting QB

That's my point. Ertz was our starting QB, injured.

Then assuming Knight comes in, plays, gets injured.

We're right back to Hubes....

This is a terrible argument, btw. That's like saying "you shouldn't bother wearing a seatbelt, because if the seatbelt breaks you will still get hurt in a collision."

The point is Knight would still offer an additional layer of protection between us and the train wreck that is Joe Hubener.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Stevesie60 on December 12, 2015, 04:05:37 PM
You all realize we don't have to choose between Knight and someone else, right? We are just adding someone to our roster or not adding them. What is the downside to having him?
Title: Trevor Knight
Post by: scottwildcat on December 12, 2015, 04:09:11 PM
There is zero downside at all
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: The Big Train on December 12, 2015, 04:12:19 PM
upside is 'zooka has a smaller chance he will play
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: wetwillie on December 12, 2015, 04:31:53 PM
any guesses on his graduate track?   My guess is grassland management.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 12, 2015, 05:27:43 PM
You all realize we don't have to choose between Knight and someone else, right? We are just adding someone to our roster or not adding them. What is the downside to having him?

You think Ertz and/or Delton will stay here if they get recruited over for what would amount to be the 3rd time in less than a year? In Delton's case it would be the third time before you've had a chance to show what you can or can't do.

And as previously stated you are essentially trading a year of development of your young QBs for one season of a guy who presided over the worst season OU has had since 1999. It's cool though we'll just act like this entire board didn't spend all of last season mocking Knight. Jake Waters is absolutely a better QB, would you guys take another year of Waters starting over Delton or Thompson?
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: 'taterblast on December 12, 2015, 05:35:01 PM
that bama game tho
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 12, 2015, 06:19:13 PM
OU averaged 36 points a game last year
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Katpappy on December 12, 2015, 08:26:01 PM
Sometimes I think you guys just don't want to see the next couple years with our young developing QB, Pukea Joe taking the reins.  Shame on you all! :fatty:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2015, 12:29:03 AM
OU fired their offensive coordinator last year
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2015, 12:43:43 AM
OU's starting quarterback was 76th in passing efficiency last year
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: bucket on December 13, 2015, 01:37:33 AM
You all realize we don't have to choose between Knight and someone else, right? We are just adding someone to our roster or not adding them. What is the downside to having him?

You think Ertz and/or Delton will stay here if they get recruited over for what would amount to be the 3rd time in less than a year? In Delton's case it would be the third time before you've had a chance to show what you can or can't do.

And as previously stated you are essentially trading a year of development of your young QBs for one season of a guy who presided over the worst season OU has had since 1999. It's cool though we'll just act like this entire board didn't spend all of last season mocking Knight. Jake Waters is absolutely a better QB, would you guys take another year of Waters starting over Delton or Thompson?

They are freshmen! If they transfer because they aren't guaranteed the starting job as freshmen then they can kick rocks.

P.S. I don't care what Ertz does.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: stunted on December 13, 2015, 01:48:00 AM
You think Ertz and/or Delton will stay here if they get recruited over for what would amount to be the 3rd time in less than a year? In Delton's case it would be the third time before you've had a chance to show what you can or can't do.

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nice of you to look out for their feelings
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2015, 02:10:42 AM
Which quarterback would you take as a transfer?

QB A 179/316 2300 yds. 14 TDs 12 INTs 68 rushes for 339 yds 5 TDs
QB B 254/451 2669 yds. 18 TDs 9 INTs  125 rushes for 421 yds 3 TDs

Both guys got benched in 2015, both eligible for transfer. The one with clearly the worst stats is obviously Trevor Knight. Anyone without looking care to guess who QB B is? He's someone you all know and we'd all agree is someone we wouldn't want playing QB for us if it was at the expense of a QB we already have. He also didn't have a running back who holds the single game rushing game offering him cover in the same backfield.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: bucket on December 13, 2015, 02:25:53 AM
Which quarterback would you take as a transfer?

QB A 179/316 2300 yds. 14 TDs 12 INTs 68 rushes for 339 yds 5 TDs
QB B 254/451 2669 yds. 18 TDs 9 INTs  125 rushes for 421 yds 3 TDs

Both guys got benched in 2015, both eligible for transfer. The one with clearly the worst stats is obviously Trevor Knight. Anyone without looking care to guess who QB B is? He's someone you all know and we'd all agree is someone we wouldn't want playing QB for us if it was at the expense of a QB we already have. He also didn't have a running back who holds the single game rushing game offering him cover in the same backfield.

I don't see bringing in a transfer with one year of eligibiity costing K-State a QB. If it does it's ridiculous. A 3/4* QB shouldn't expect the job as a freshman.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2015, 03:21:49 AM
Which quarterback would you take as a transfer?

QB A 179/316 2300 yds. 14 TDs 12 INTs 68 rushes for 339 yds 5 TDs
QB B 254/451 2669 yds. 18 TDs 9 INTs  125 rushes for 421 yds 3 TDs

Both guys got benched in 2015, both eligible for transfer. The one with clearly the worst stats is obviously Trevor Knight. Anyone without looking care to guess who QB B is? He's someone you all know and we'd all agree is someone we wouldn't want playing QB for us if it was at the expense of a QB we already have. He also didn't have a running back who holds the single game rushing game offering him cover in the same backfield.

I don't see bringing in a transfer with one year of eligibiity costing K-State a QB. If it does it's ridiculous. A 3/4* QB shouldn't expect the job as a freshman.

At this point that is secondary. I didn't realize how amazingly average Trevor Knight was in 2014. He had numbers like that with Sterling Sheppard and Perine. He also had 2 offensive linemen and a fullback drafted from that offense. OU was loaded, how in the hell was he the 76th most efficient passer? QB B didn't have anyone on his offense drafted, let's go get that guy.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2015, 03:24:25 AM
crap, breaking news, quarterback b is not transfer eligible after all. Damn  :cry:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 13, 2015, 05:09:10 AM
LOL @ MIR  I'm sure OU's problems last year were all on Knight.   OU fans were bitching up a storm about Huepel.
Title: Trevor Knight
Post by: scottwildcat on December 13, 2015, 09:22:11 AM
Who was QB B?


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Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Cire on December 13, 2015, 09:28:04 AM
Ou s offense was terrible, knight would be incredible running our qb run game


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Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2015, 09:30:02 AM
 
Who was QB B?


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HINT:  the use of quarterback "B" was not unintentional
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: KITNfury on December 13, 2015, 09:57:04 AM
Guys, it's obvious we need to tell him to get  mumped to save the scholarship for one of the 4 or 5 stars we have lined up.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 13, 2015, 11:10:53 AM
I remember a few years back a bunch of dumbasses were all Arthur Brown's stats sucked at the U, which has a shitty defense, it would be totally stupid to allow him to transfer in because 3-star stud Blake Slaughter might want to transfer.  Guess, what, Blake didn't transfer.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2015, 11:15:25 AM
I remember a few years back a bunch of dumbasses were all Arthur Brown's stats sucked at the U, which has a shitty defense, it would be totally stupid to allow him to transfer in because 3-star stud Blake Slaughter might want to transfer.  Guess, what, Blake didn't transfer.

Except no one said that
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 13, 2015, 11:22:14 AM
I remember a few years back a bunch of dumbasses were all Arthur Brown's stats sucked at the U, which has a shitty defense, it would be totally stupid to allow him to transfer in because 3-star stud Blake Slaughter might want to transfer.  Guess, what, Blake didn't transfer.

Except no one said that

:mindblown:

Seriously, we have no class balance at QB. Bringing in a senior is a really good idea. If Delton is better, he'll ultimately start. If you think Hubes, Ertz or Banks are anything more than backups at this juncture, you are a lunatic. Those 3 each almost certainly understand that to be their role.

The idea that bringing in a transfer (as opposed to any other recruit) could cause a player to feel slighted is incredibly stupid and childish given 25 new guys are brought in every rough ridin' season in cfb. It's about as stupid as thinking Jones would feel cheated when Dimel got goal line carries.

Delton/Thompson are the only two that may cause the other to transfer.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2015, 12:07:18 PM
i dont think trevor knight is an upgrade over alex delton
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: 'taterblast on December 13, 2015, 12:28:54 PM
1. it's kind of weird after a season like we just had to be against adding veteran, non-former-walkon-wide-receiver qb depth
2. if delton or ertz transfer because of it (i don't think they would) and have to sit out at another school during the only year knight will be here, then they are stupid
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2015, 12:31:33 PM
the only reason im against it is because he is a known locker room cancer
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2015, 12:42:58 PM
Who was QB B?


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HINT:  the use of quarterback "B" was not unintentional

Nice job wetwillie. The qb with better numbers than the great Trevor Knight is Iowa State's own Sam B. Richardson. Something tells me that we wouldn't be so enthusiastic if we wanted to transfer here with assurances he'd start.

Ou s offense was terrible, knight would be incredible running our qb run game


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He couldn't run OUs offense with NFL talent all over the field. He wouldn't have 4 NFL O-linemen and Sheppard and Perine here, doesn't that concern you? Or does one good game 2 years ago and Katy Perry saying his name on college gameday matter more?
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 13, 2015, 01:15:36 PM
Not sure, but I'm guessing we'd wouldn't ask knight to run the run and shoot offense
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: catastrophe on December 13, 2015, 01:36:27 PM

the only reason im against it is because he is a known locker room cancer

Based on OU's performance this year, I'd be ok with that kind of cancer.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: DOD Take 2 on December 13, 2015, 02:22:02 PM

the only reason im against it is because he is a known locker room cancer

Based on OU's performance this year, I'd be ok with that kind of cancer.

I think he was voted a team captain alongside Mayfield  :dunno:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: steve dave on December 13, 2015, 02:22:56 PM
I want him bad
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: catzacker on December 13, 2015, 02:34:11 PM
Our returning QB's consist of:
1- a guy who is coming off major knee surgery and played 2 snaps, was a 2* out of HS
2-a qb who has proven he is absolutely nothing special and below average at best and was in some games replaced by a WR
3-see #1 but with a few more snaps and not as bad of an injury and was a 3*
4-a juco kid who couldn't beat out a WR to play QB
5-some HS recruit


and you guys are arguing over whether Trevor is good enough for us?
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: steve dave on December 13, 2015, 02:50:48 PM
I mean, we aren't Baylor talking about if he would be a good fit. We are a team who was realistically going to have Charles jones playing full time QB if our WR that was playing QB at the time was injured.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2015, 02:52:02 PM
Our returning QB's consist of:
1- a guy who is coming off major knee surgery and played 2 snaps, was a 2* out of HS
2-a qb who has proven he is absolutely nothing special and below average at best and was in some games replaced by a WR
3-see #1 but with a few more snaps and not as bad of an injury and was a 3*
4-a juco kid who couldn't beat out a WR to play QB
5-some HS recruit


and you guys are arguing over whether Trevor is good enough for us?

I seem to be the only person arguing against him and whether or not he's "good enough for us" isn't my argument at all. Also calling Skyler Thompson "some HS recruit" is unnecessarily disingenuous.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2015, 02:57:31 PM
Having one of our young quarterbacks get a year of experience is infinitely more important than having Trevor Knight come in here and go 8-5 at best and then we have to go into 2017 having to groom another starting quarterback again, what would be our 4th in 4 years. We have a chance to develop some stability at the most important position in sports and Knight at K-State simply isn't good enough to bypass that. It is baffling to me that no one else can see that.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Pete on December 13, 2015, 02:58:01 PM

Our returning QB's consist of:
1- a guy who is coming off major knee surgery and played 2 snaps, was a 2* out of HS
2-a qb who has proven he is absolutely nothing special and below average at best and was in some games replaced by a WR
3-see #1 but with a few more snaps and not as bad of an injury and was a 3*
4-a juco kid who couldn't beat out a WR to play QB
5-some HS recruit


and you guys are arguing over whether Trevor is good enough for us?

I seem to be the only person arguing against him and whether or not he's "good enough for us" isn't my argument at all. Also calling Skyler Thompson "some HS recruit" is unnecessarily disingenuous.

It isn't disingenuous when you factor in that Bill has never started a true freshman despite having terrible alternatives.  Skyler Thompson will be lucky to see the field by his redshirt sophomore year, if history shows us anything at all.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: steve dave on December 13, 2015, 03:11:45 PM
Bill will be dead or retired by then. No factor.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: catzacker on December 13, 2015, 03:19:35 PM
Why wouldn't we take him? If Delton or Ertz are better then fantastic, we have a great back up option when Ertz and Delton get hurt.

This is all moot, of course, because Trevor is absolutely not coming here.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Trim on December 13, 2015, 03:27:09 PM
This is all moot, of course, because Trevor is absolutely not coming here.

It's pretty much combofanning season.  Nothing wrong with lol hypothetical debates.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2015, 03:34:04 PM
Why wouldn't we take him? If Delton or Ertz are better then fantastic, we have a great back up option when Ertz and Delton get hurt.

This is all moot, of course, because Trevor is absolutely not coming here.

He's not coming here or anywhere else that can't/won't offer him assurances. Why don't you think he won't go to K-State? It's been reported that he and the coaches have had contact.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: catzacker on December 13, 2015, 03:39:51 PM
Why wouldn't we take him? If Delton or Ertz are better then fantastic, we have a great back up option when Ertz and Delton get hurt.

This is all moot, of course, because Trevor is absolutely not coming here.

He's not coming here or anywhere else that can't/won't offer him assurances. Why don't you think he won't go to K-State? It's been reported that he and the coaches have had contact.

Besides assuring Trevor that he will have to memorize the 16 principles, what else on earth do you honestly think our staff would ever assure him.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: steve dave on December 13, 2015, 03:41:52 PM
Concussions and shoulder surgeries
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: bones129 on December 13, 2015, 03:44:54 PM
Concussions and shoulder surgeries

Sad, but true.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2015, 03:55:13 PM
Why wouldn't we take him? If Delton or Ertz are better then fantastic, we have a great back up option when Ertz and Delton get hurt.

This is all moot, of course, because Trevor is absolutely not coming here.

He's not coming here or anywhere else that can't/won't offer him assurances. Why don't you think he won't go to K-State? It's been reported that he and the coaches have had contact.

Besides assuring Trevor that he will have to memorize the 16 principles, what else on earth do you honestly think our staff would ever assure him.

I certainly would hope that they wouldn't assure him the starting job, but Del and Dana never cease to amaze me and I don't mean that in a good way. From what I understand Thompson committed to Del so that gives me some hope that he wouldn't recruit the best high school QB prospect Snyder's staff has ever had and then tell some dude with 14 tds and 12 ints that he can come and start.
I do think that if they tell him that he can come here and start while they develop the young QBs, he's absolutely coming.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: steve dave on December 13, 2015, 04:04:29 PM
GOOD
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: catzacker on December 13, 2015, 04:07:33 PM
I don't think Trevor (potentially) coming here has anything to do with Skylar playing (or not playing) next year. What could we have possibly promised Skylar about next year?  That he would, at a minimum, be behind Ertz and Delton and Hubener?
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Cire on December 13, 2015, 04:08:55 PM
Hopefully that's exactly what they told him


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Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Pete on December 13, 2015, 04:27:57 PM
Do we not have that rule any longer where you lose a year of eligibility if you transfer in conference? 
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: scottwildcat on December 13, 2015, 05:07:27 PM

Do we not have that rule any longer where you lose a year of eligibility if you transfer in conference?

Not a rule for 5th year guys


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Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 13, 2015, 05:09:53 PM
He's a graduate with eligibility left.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Pete on December 13, 2015, 05:20:57 PM
Didn't OU's current starter transfer from Tech?  Did he lose a year?
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: scottwildcat on December 13, 2015, 05:37:06 PM
I don't think he lost eligibility, just had to RS


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Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: star seed 7 on December 13, 2015, 07:12:35 PM
Didn't OU's current starter transfer from Tech?  Did he lose a year?

that whole story is weird as eff
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 13, 2015, 07:13:01 PM
I hope we promise Knight the starting job and then break that promise if we have a better option next year.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2015, 08:37:42 PM
I don't think he lost eligibility, just had to RS


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He had to redshirt and wasn't allowed to be scholarshiped because Tech didn't release him. rough ridin' schools have way too much power over these kids.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2015, 08:38:28 PM
I hope we promise Knight the starting job and then break that promise if we have a better option next year.

That'd be great
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Trim on December 13, 2015, 08:40:24 PM
If Knight chooses to be a KSU crash test dummy, I'll think he's too stupid to play.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2015, 08:41:51 PM
I don't think he lost eligibility, just had to RS


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He had to redshirt and wasn't allowed to be scholarshiped because Tech didn't release him. rough ridin' schools have way too much power over these kids.

It was a pretty shitty thing that Kliff did to him.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2015, 08:46:18 PM
I don't think Trevor (potentially) coming here has anything to do with Skylar playing (or not playing) next year. What could we have possibly promised Skylar about next year?  That he would, at a minimum, be behind Ertz and Delton and Hubener?

Are we still talking about this because we don't want to acknowledge that he's probably not significantly better than what we have now? Jesus, I can't imagine how many picks and fumbles he'll have playing at OU next year, he might literally crap himself.
#6thYearForSamBInstead
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 13, 2015, 10:09:46 PM
Couldn't be any worse then the 55 zip beatdown we got this last year.   Unless you're expecting Delton to lead us out of Norman with a win?

Without radical improvement across the board, we aren't beating OU in Norman next year or any time soon.

Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Katpappy on December 13, 2015, 11:31:20 PM
If Knight chooses to be a KSU crash test dummy, I'll think he's too stupid to play.
Amen brother.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: TownieCat on December 15, 2015, 09:00:35 AM
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:frown:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 15, 2015, 09:14:11 AM
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:frown:

He was born to throw EMAW touchdown passes.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Gooch on December 15, 2015, 01:17:31 PM
That was such an awful throw. When i saw that live i could not believe he threw that.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 16, 2015, 06:19:13 AM
What OC calls that play?  Good thing they didn't pump and go.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: 09emaw on December 16, 2015, 04:19:52 PM
I'm predicting he'll be headed to A&M, if the rumors from Aggieland are true they could be in a worse QB situation than we were this year
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: stunted on December 18, 2015, 03:37:32 AM
let's play another game of which qb would you rather have:

qb a: 262-397 66%, 3501 yards, 22 td, 7 int /// 154 carries, 484 yards, 9 td
qb b: 137-278 49%, 1666 yards, 13 td, 9 int /// 192 carries, 934 yards, 11 td
qb c: 131-274 48%, 1837 yards, 9 td, 9 int ///180 carries, 613 yards, 13 td
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: FranklyFrankYou on December 18, 2015, 03:59:52 AM
For our offense? QB2
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: TownieCat on December 18, 2015, 08:53:37 AM
QB A. Can't wait to see which bum that is tho.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: catastrophe on December 18, 2015, 08:57:13 AM
QB A probably had receivers that could run routes and catch, tho.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 18, 2015, 09:13:46 AM
For our offense? QB2
That's Hubs!  :Wha:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on December 18, 2015, 09:23:59 AM
QB A is Waters
QB B is Hubes
QB C ????
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: TownieCat on December 18, 2015, 09:42:05 AM
None of those QB are Knight, so what is the point of this exercise?

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/trevor-knight-1.html (http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/trevor-knight-1.html)

TK's career stats:
280/490 (57%) for 3424 yds, 25 TD, 19 int
151 carries for 853 yds (5.6/att) and 9 TD
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: TownieCat on December 18, 2015, 09:52:55 AM
And Hubes is QB C, not B.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Tobias on December 18, 2015, 09:56:12 AM
qb beta
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 18, 2015, 10:38:21 AM
B is #life this season.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: ltrain on December 18, 2015, 10:39:13 AM
A: Waters
B: Life
C: Hubes
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 18, 2015, 10:49:18 AM
B is #life this season.
:sdeek:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: TownieCat on December 18, 2015, 11:13:49 AM
Comparing QB stats between the Big 12 and Southland is asinine.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 18, 2015, 11:28:10 AM
I think stunted was a FAS baby or was a crack baby or something. Something doesn't quite fire right in his head.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: stunted on December 18, 2015, 02:57:55 PM
More like something didn't fire right in #life's head loool amirite?
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 20, 2015, 02:24:38 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/florida-qb-grier-decides-transfer-amid-ped-suspension-210320788--ncaaf.html

Would take
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 20, 2015, 02:43:01 PM
Wouldn't he actually eff up class balance, unlike Knight. Like someone would almost certainly need to transfer
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: wetwillie on December 20, 2015, 04:05:19 PM
he would never survive the hyper compliance environment of kstate athletics.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on December 20, 2015, 10:39:37 PM
Wouldn't he actually eff up class balance, unlike Knight. Like someone would almost certainly need to transfer

No he's a redshirt freshman. He's one year older than Delton and two years older than Thompson.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: 'taterblast on January 04, 2016, 05:09:28 PM
a&m
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: BMWWcat on January 04, 2016, 07:48:03 PM
Gay....
Kill this thread now. :flush:
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: wetwillie on January 04, 2016, 07:52:06 PM
The 5 million dollar man out recruited us
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: MakeItRain on January 04, 2016, 10:05:41 PM
Gay....
Kill this thread now. :flush:

Woah, chill out chief.

He went where he knew he would play, no surprise at all.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: muqluk on January 04, 2016, 10:39:15 PM
Is anyone really surprised by his choice?  A&M has a hot mess right now but one thing they clearly need is a QB and he wants to play.
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: star seed 7 on January 04, 2016, 10:40:04 PM
didn't want to work hard, see u later lozer
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 04, 2016, 11:33:32 PM

didn't want to work hard, see u later lozer

The Structure does not yield to FPTC'ers
Title: Re: Trevor Knight
Post by: muqluk on January 04, 2016, 11:36:25 PM
didn't want to work hard, see u later lozer

Or didn't want the life-long impact of repeated concussions  :ksu: