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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Kat Kid on December 06, 2015, 09:49:59 AM
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Games- clear preference for historical context and landmarks as opposed to actual game content/opponent quality. The 2002 USC game is better than several of those and 2012 OU is better than the UT game etc.
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i think historical ones are what you remember the most long term, so i'm ok with some/most of the list. i mean, we've had some great b burners w/ iowa state but you won't find any game with them in my top 10,
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All-Snyder team-
What is this Goolsby nonsense? I want Travis Wilson.
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the obvious with this insert is that the mercury knows snyder is retiring. will miss bill a lot. i think he's pretty snarky behind the scenes and i've always appreciated that about him.
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Ty Zimmerman over Jon McGraw is absurd.
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Brooks Barta over Terry Pierce!!! LOL
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How did Laird Veatch not sneak in there?
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Mueller over Andrew Shull I will listen to, both had bizarre regressions in their production senior years
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starting to look like kk doesn't really want to "talk about this" and really just wants to spout off his "takes". i mean that's fine but the thread title is certainly misleading.
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I can't argue with much of that at all. They did a good job.
I completely agree with that 1998 NU win being the biggest win. There is no doubt in my mind. I wept for joy and pride at that game, and every person around me did the same. I have never, ever, experienced anything like that at a sporting event before or after. I'll remember that for the rest of my days.
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Ty Zimmerman over Jon McGraw is absurd.
McGraw was HM all big 12 as a JR.
Zimmerman was 1st team all big 12 twice and 2nd/3rd team all American twice. At least HM all big 12 all 4 years.
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I can't argue with much of that at all. They did a good job.
I completely agree with that 1998 NU win being the biggest win. There is no doubt in my mind. I wept for joy and pride at that game, and every person around me did the same. I have never, ever, experienced anything like that at a sporting event before or after. I'll remember that for the rest of my days.
Yes, it was magical.
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I'd put several guys ahead of Mueller, specifically Nile Wire. But, I am emotionally attached to Nile Wiren. :blush:
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I'd put several guys ahead of Mueller, specifically Nile Wire. But, I am emotionally attached to Nile Wiren. :blush:
http://youtu.be/sSstf8nK-BU
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Brooks Barta over Terry Pierce!!! LOL
lol, but AB should be above Buhl and prolly Barta but he was before my time
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Ty Zimmerman over Jon McGraw is absurd.
McGraw was HM all big 12 as a JR.
Zimmerman was 1st team all big 12 twice and 2nd/3rd team all American twice. At least HM all big 12 all 4 years.
i'm not arguing for one over the other but mcgraw was drafted in the 2nd round and had a ten year nfl career.
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I can't argue with much of that at all. They did a good job.
I completely agree with that 1998 NU win being the biggest win. There is no doubt in my mind. I wept for joy and pride at that game, and every person around me did the same. I have never, ever, experienced anything like that at a sporting event before or after. I'll remember that for the rest of my days.
I enjoyed that game because of not only the game, but the entire season and week leading up to it. The entire season was geared towards beating NU - we dngaf about basically anyone else.
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Holy crap he finally posted the article
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I'd put several guys ahead of Mueller, specifically Nile Wire. But, I am emotionally attached to Nile Wiren. :blush:
that same emotion wants me to put Gaskins at lb.
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I can't argue with much of that at all. They did a good job.
I completely agree with that 1998 NU win being the biggest win. There is no doubt in my mind. I wept for joy and pride at that game, and every person around me did the same. I have never, ever, experienced anything like that at a sporting event before or after. I'll remember that for the rest of my days.
I enjoyed that game because of not only the game, but the entire season and week leading up to it. The entire season was geared towards beating NU - we dngaf about basically anyone else.
i had a friend/roommate postpone his graduation from college so he could stick around for that fall season. everybody just knew we had a shot at something special/national championship/etc.
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Ty Zimmerman over Jon McGraw is absurd.
McGraw was HM all big 12 as a JR.
Zimmerman was 1st team all big 12 twice and 2nd/3rd team all American twice. At least HM all big 12 all 4 years.
i'm not arguing for one over the other but mcgraw was drafted in the 2nd round and had a ten year nfl career.
No doubt who the better pro was, but I thought this was about who was better while playing at K-State. :dunno:
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All-Snyder team-
What is this Goolsby nonsense? I want Travis Wilson.
Rock Cartwright was the best FB and the best name in program history
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Damn Impressive Career for Coach Snyder. You're a lucky fanbase for sure.
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I thought this was about who was better while playing at K-State. :dunno:
i honestly have no idea what this is about. just adding a data point. does the mercury offer specifics on why they picked who they picked? i really liked zimmerman.
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Ty Zimmerman over Jon McGraw is absurd.
McGraw was HM all big 12 as a JR.
Zimmerman was 1st team all big 12 twice and 2nd/3rd team all American twice. At least HM all big 12 all 4 years.
Hmmmm I wonder why that is. Oh you mean All-Pro Roy Williams was also a safety at that time in the Big 12? McGraw was very good and I know this isn't an NFL discussion, but he is just obviously better. I love Zimmerman. I really do, but I just don't think he was as good. This is my opinion.
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I thought this was about who was better while playing at K-State. :dunno:
i honestly have no idea what this is about. just adding a data point. does the mercury offer specifics on why they picked who they picked? i really liked zimmerman.
No. My guess is a lot of these were ole Ned Seaton getting misty eyed and overruling while kinder grunted and spat in his spit cup while jelly and guggies looked at each other.
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two more data points on mcgraw...
1)i was an usher at a wedding with him in 1999. we did a great job ushering. no complaints from anyone.
2)my friends and i invented the term yam. it stood for yards after mcgraw. he had a bad shoulder for a good part of his senior season and would just kind of half arm tackle/bounce off receivers/runners of the ball.
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By the way they nailed #1 and #2. With the games.
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two more data points on mcgraw...
1)i was an usher at a wedding with him in 1999. we did a great job ushering. no complaints from anyone.
2)my friends and i invented the term yam. it stood for yards after mcgraw. he had a bad shoulder for a good part of his senior season and would just kind of half arm tackle/bounce off receivers/runners of the ball.
Good data points.
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more data points:
- jon used to give me rides home after an accounting class. probably the nicest guy in the whole wide world.
- he also played the violin.
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i like how everybody accepted that bishop was the best qb. we've had this discussion before and a lot of incredible dumbasses acted like he wasn't. live and learn i guess.
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bad mistake here (putting KU logo on the box for our 41-7 blowout of 95 Nebraska)
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I'll never forget the 13 great seasons Barrett Brooks gave us on the o-line!
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LoL.
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I would even take Rashaad Washington over Zimmerman at Safety
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Games: 2012 Texas is like, the 4th or 5th best game from the 2011-2012 run.
Best games 2011-12:
1. 12 @OU
2. 11 Baylor at home
3. 11 Texas A&M at home
4. 12 @ WVU
5. 11 @ UT
6. 12 UT at home.
its 6th just in those 2 years.
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I've never heard of Brooks Barta, but I doubt he was as good as Terry Pierce or Ben Leber or um HAVE EVER FREAKING HEARD OF ARTHUR BROWN GOOD GRIEF.
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All-Snyder team-
What is this Goolsby nonsense? I want Travis Wilson.
Rock Cartwright was the best FB and the best name in program history
yes
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i'm sorry but anyone who played before say like 95 can't be on the all snyder team. no way.
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Look at this super low snyder era iq (slseiq) from cf3, smdh
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I mean, do you guys remember the 2011 Baylor game? It was so great. So, so great. Should be on the list IMO
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I can't argue with much of that at all. They did a good job.
I completely agree with that 1998 NU win being the biggest win. There is no doubt in my mind. I wept for joy and pride at that game, and every person around me did the same. I have never, ever, experienced anything like that at a sporting event before or after. I'll remember that for the rest of my days.
I enjoyed that game because of not only the game, but the entire season and week leading up to it. The entire season was geared towards beating NU - we dngaf about basically anyone else.
UT game that year was huge
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Guys I just looked it up. Arthur Brown was Big XII defensive player of the year in 2012, 2011 defensive newcomer of the year. Also he destroyed RGIII
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Guys I just looked it up. Arthur Brown was Big XII defensive player of the year in 2012, 2011 defensive newcomer of the year. Also he destroyed RGIII
therefore he's in and brooks barfbag is out
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All-Snyder team-
What is this Goolsby nonsense? I want Travis Wilson.
Rock Cartwright was the best FB and the best name in program history
yes
Not kidding but I'm voting for #familyfullback if I get a vote
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Yes, WD-40 is my fab. . . Gronk who?
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The anticipation of the 98 Nebraska game started in the second half of the 97 Nebraska game when Bish was prowling the sidelines like a maniac yelling at people because it was like the first ever time he lost
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The anticipation of the 98 Nebraska game started in the second half of the 97 Nebraska game when Bish was prowling the sidelines like a maniac yelling at people because it was like the first ever time he lost
yes. that was when i decided that i would love him more than i had ever loved anyone in my entire life.
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The anticipation of the 98 Nebraska game started in the second half of the 97 Nebraska game when Bish was prowling the sidelines like a maniac yelling at people because it was like the first ever time he lost
yes. that was when i decided that i would love him more than i had ever loved anyone in my entire life.
He wrote "never 2" on his wrist wraps because he insisted on not losing again.
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bad mistake here (putting KU logo on the box for our 41-7 blowout of 95 Nebraska)
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Nvm. I'm a moron.
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If we're staying true to the safety positions and selecting a FS and SS, the SS should be Jarrod Cooper.
Brooks Barta had approx 2,000 tackles so I'm fine with him on there. It's apparent that 4 year players are valued much more than 2 year players, which I agree with.
Having '12 Texas instead of '12 OU is dumb. I'd also put '03 OU #1 and '98 Nub #2, but that's splitting hairs a bit.
'11 Miami was a bigger deal than '11 Baylor. It set the tone for the '11 and '12 seasons. Some of you *cough*CF3*cough* need to stop putting RG3 on a pedestal.
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I mean, this seems like a pretty good list compared to this: http://www.kstatesports.com/page/footballtradition-aa
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Love Coop but he was crazy overrated and benefited from the fact that no one in the big 12 threw the ball back then
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Love Coop but he was crazy overrated and benefited from the fact that no one in the big 12 threw the ball back then
Well except for OU, which destroyed him.
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I can't argue with much of that at all. They did a good job.
I completely agree with that 1998 NU win being the biggest win. There is no doubt in my mind. I wept for joy and pride at that game, and every person around me did the same. I have never, ever, experienced anything like that at a sporting event before or after. I'll remember that for the rest of my days.
I enjoyed that game because of not only the game, but the entire season and week leading up to it. The entire season was geared towards beating NU - we dngaf about basically anyone else.
UT game that year was huge
kind of. there was some hype for it. but we punished Ricky. everything else that year was a sidebar to NU.
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Love Coop but he was crazy overrated and benefited from the fact that no one in the big 12 threw the ball back then
Well except for OU, which destroyed him.
He was so lost when he couldn't just run with his head down into gaps or big slow receivers running shallow crossing routes. It was sad
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I honestly thought the pleats in Snyder's khakis in the background image were imperfections in your newspaper reading surface. Was prepared to recommend new newspaper reception/storage method. Now that I've got that straightened out, will try to judge the rest on its merits.
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The real argument would be kickoff and punt returner.
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The real argument would be kickoff and punt returner.
Yeah, wow. This could cause a fist fight just discussing the last two seasons.
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Love Coop but he was crazy overrated and benefited from the fact that no one in the big 12 threw the ball back then
He was far from perfect, but he was our best SS. That was the point I was trying to make.
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I can't argue with much of that at all. They did a good job.
I completely agree with that 1998 NU win being the biggest win. There is no doubt in my mind. I wept for joy and pride at that game, and every person around me did the same. I have never, ever, experienced anything like that at a sporting event before or after. I'll remember that for the rest of my days.
I enjoyed that game because of not only the game, but the entire season and week leading up to it. The entire season was geared towards beating NU - we dngaf about basically anyone else.
i had a friend/roommate postpone his graduation from college so he could stick around for that fall season. everybody just knew we had a shot at something special/national championship/etc.
I rejected a nu guy's offer of over $100 for my student ticket.
saw an old diude crying tears of joy in the aftermath
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Love Coop but he was crazy overrated and benefited from the fact that no one in the big 12 threw the ball back then
He was far from perfect, but he was our best SS. That was the point I was trying to make.
Sorry bub Ty was better. Dante was better last year than any season that Coop had
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I like a newspaper with no proof readers
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Love Coop but he was crazy overrated and benefited from the fact that no one in the big 12 threw the ball back then
He was far from perfect, but he was our best SS. That was the point I was trying to make.
Sorry bub Ty was better. Dante was better last year than any season that Coop had
Ty was a FS, not a SS. Barnett had a very good 2014, but Cooper was all Big 12 each of his four years.
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This is where it's hard to compare. SS in the 90s and early 00s defenses was more like another LB. SS now is more of another DB and often we play with 5 DBs. Offenses have changed so much.
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Teams hardly even bother to classify their DB much because they all need to be able to cover.
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I guess I'd be okay with Coop for his impact during the time when he played but he wouldn't start on this year's team.
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If we're staying true to the safety positions and selecting a FS and SS, the SS should be Jarrod Cooper.
Brooks Barta had approx 2,000 tackles so I'm fine with him on there. It's apparent that 4 year players are valued much more than 2 year players, which I agree with.
Having '12 Texas instead of '12 OU is dumb. I'd also put '03 OU #1 and '98 Nub #2, but that's splitting hairs a bit.
'11 Miami was a bigger deal than '11 Baylor. It set the tone for the '11 and '12 seasons. Some of you *cough*CF3*cough* need to stop putting RG3 on a pedestal.
I don't care if Brooks Barfbag had a billion tackles. I had never heard of him until like noon today and I don't have to ever see him play or do anything to know that Arthur Brown was so much better at college football its not even funny.
And the Miami game was huge, but the Baylor one was bigger IMO, and I didn't just imagine RGIII being good at football. He won the heisman. Too many people struggle to seperate NFL failures from what guys did in college.
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Rg3 lost to a lot of teams
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If we're staying true to the safety positions and selecting a FS and SS, the SS should be Jarrod Cooper.
Brooks Barta had approx 2,000 tackles so I'm fine with him on there. It's apparent that 4 year players are valued much more than 2 year players, which I agree with.
Having '12 Texas instead of '12 OU is dumb. I'd also put '03 OU #1 and '98 Nub #2, but that's splitting hairs a bit.
'11 Miami was a bigger deal than '11 Baylor. It set the tone for the '11 and '12 seasons. Some of you *cough*CF3*cough* need to stop putting RG3 on a pedestal.
I don't care if Brooks Barfbag had a billion tackles. I had never heard of him until like noon today and I don't have to ever see him play or do anything to know that Arthur Brown was so much better at college football its not even funny.
And the Miami game was huge, but the Baylor one was bigger IMO, and I didn't just imagine RGIII being good at football. He won the heisman. Too many people struggle to seperate NFL failures from what guys did in college.
Barta has the 2nd most tackles in school history. Take it to the shame thread.
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Too many people struggle to seperate NFL failures from what guys did in college.
Barta has the 2nd most tackles in school history. Take it to the shame thread.
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yeah. i mean you either believe what you wrote or you don't. i personally don't have much of an opinion either way.
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Brooks Barta was really good. I love Arthur too but it isn't like it's some egregious decision. They clearly mostly favored four year players.
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they should have included an all time long snapper, and it most definitely would have been Mike Wilson.
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they should have included an all time long snapper, and it most definitely would have been Mike Wilson.
:thumbs:
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Sean was a little before my time. Was he actually a better punter than James Garcia? I'm guessing SS probably had a lot more punts but I dunno
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Brooks Barta was really good. I love Arthur too but it isn't like it's some egregious decision. They clearly mostly favored four year players.
Not for punter.
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If we're staying true to the safety positions and selecting a FS and SS, the SS should be Jarrod Cooper.
Brooks Barta had approx 2,000 tackles so I'm fine with him on there. It's apparent that 4 year players are valued much more than 2 year players, which I agree with.
Having '12 Texas instead of '12 OU is dumb. I'd also put '03 OU #1 and '98 Nub #2, but that's splitting hairs a bit.
'11 Miami was a bigger deal than '11 Baylor. It set the tone for the '11 and '12 seasons. Some of you *cough*CF3*cough* need to stop putting RG3 on a pedestal.
I don't care if Brooks Barfbag had a billion tackles. I had never heard of him until like noon today and I don't have to ever see him play or do anything to know that Arthur Brown was so much better at college football its not even funny.
And the Miami game was huge, but the Baylor one was bigger IMO, and I didn't just imagine RGIII being good at football. He won the heisman. Too many people struggle to seperate NFL failures from what guys did in college.
Barta has the 2nd most tackles in school history. Take it to the shame thread.
who cares about total tackles on bad teams
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quick sean snyder data point-
one of my friends was a "ball boy". during a really cold/rainy/snowy kstate vs iowa state espn game, his job was to keep a warm ball in an oven for sean. dr jerry punch asked him what he was doing and he gave the good dr a "no comment". warm/dry balls were not kept for iowa state.
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If we're staying true to the safety positions and selecting a FS and SS, the SS should be Jarrod Cooper.
Brooks Barta had approx 2,000 tackles so I'm fine with him on there. It's apparent that 4 year players are valued much more than 2 year players, which I agree with.
Having '12 Texas instead of '12 OU is dumb. I'd also put '03 OU #1 and '98 Nub #2, but that's splitting hairs a bit.
'11 Miami was a bigger deal than '11 Baylor. It set the tone for the '11 and '12 seasons. Some of you *cough*CF3*cough* need to stop putting RG3 on a pedestal.
I don't care if Brooks Barfbag had a billion tackles. I had never heard of him until like noon today and I don't have to ever see him play or do anything to know that Arthur Brown was so much better at college football its not even funny.
And the Miami game was huge, but the Baylor one was bigger IMO, and I didn't just imagine RGIII being good at football. He won the heisman. Too many people struggle to seperate NFL failures from what guys did in college.
Barta has the 2nd most tackles in school history. Take it to the shame thread.
who cares about total tackles on bad teams
You should stop talking, you sound like a combo of fsa and yard dog right now, my goodness.
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all i'm saying is arthur brown won Big XII defensive player of the year, on a conference championship team MIR. but whatevs
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Yeah you idiots can think that the one weirdo was a really good player but AB4 is the best linebacker to play for K-State
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all i'm saying is arthur brown won Big XII defensive player of the year, on a conference championship team MIR. but whatevs
And all that's fine, not sure what that has to do with how good or bad Barta was and you talking about him like he's Ben Heeney.
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Coop would probably have started at linebacker for this year's team.
Really surprised that nobody has taken into account pace of play itt. It would seem that, over the course of a season, today's linebacker would have about 100 more opportunities to make a tackle vs a linebacker from the mid '90's. Also. Is Simmaneau (eff the spelling of that name) on the team?
Gonna win 'em all!
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remember that time AB4 hit that OU guy on a crossing route? wow
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remember that time AB4 hit that OU guy on a crossing route? wow
I do, I really liked how the guy in the booth running the FLAG button saw that and was like OMG has to be and lit up the screen, but then had to take it off because he was a dork and ABjr was just doing Judge things.
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if you've never heard of brooks barta before then your opinion on the matter (or historical k-state football in general) isn't worth very much
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if you've never heard of brooks barta before then your opinion on the matter (or historical k-state football in general) isn't worth very much
Well I didn't become a K-State fan til around 2000-ish. Sorry to let you down Dlew
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if you've never heard of brooks barta before then your opinion on the matter (or historical k-state football in general) isn't worth very much
Well I didn't become a K-State fan til around 2000-ish. Sorry to let you down Dlew
Do you even "Our Boys"?
Gonna win 'em all!
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if you've never heard of brooks barta before then your opinion on the matter (or historical k-state football in general) isn't worth very much
Well I didn't become a K-State fan til around 2000-ish. Sorry to let you down Dlew
no need to apologize, but it's hard to take you seriously in this discussion if you don't know very many pre-2000 players.
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if you've never heard of brooks barta before then your opinion on the matter (or historical k-state football in general) isn't worth very much
Well I didn't become a K-State fan til around 2000-ish. Sorry to let you down Dlew
no need to apologize, but it's hard to take you seriously in this discussion if you don't know very many pre-2000 players.
I watched plenty of KSU fooball from like 93 on, just wasn't really a fan.
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CF3, for your reference,
THIS
IS
BARTA
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he's undoubtedly one of the greatest 300 wildcats of all time
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he's undoubtedly one of the greatest 300 wildcats of all time
maybe, but i can't comment on this topic
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they should have included an all time long snapper, and it most definitely would have been Mike Wilson.
Adams?
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CF3, for your reference,
THIS
IS
BARTA
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It looks like he is staring right into CF3's soul.
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CF3, for your reference,
THIS
IS
BARTA
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Alex Hrebec 1.0
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I can't argue with much of that at all. They did a good job.
I completely agree with that 1998 NU win being the biggest win. There is no doubt in my mind. I wept for joy and pride at that game, and every person around me did the same. I have never, ever, experienced anything like that at a sporting event before or after. I'll remember that for the rest of my days.
Yes, it was magical.
Smashing OU's ball(s) and taints in KC was very gratifying too.
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Coop would probably have started at linebacker for this year's team.
Really surprised that nobody has taken into account pace of play itt. It would seem that, over the course of a season, today's linebacker would have about 100 more opportunities to make a tackle vs a linebacker from the mid '90's. Also. Is Simmaneau (eff the spelling of that name) on the team?
Gonna win 'em all!
The same style of play that has increased pace of play has decreased the impact of the linebacker. The traditional front seven is different now.
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remember that time AB4 hit that OU guy on a crossing route? wow
I do, I really liked how the guy in the booth running the FLAG button saw that and was like OMG has to be and lit up the screen, but then had to take it off because he was a dork and ABjr was just doing Judge things.
I'm just going to put this here: https://youtu.be/5pYDRyr_df4?t=1845
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I'd put several guys ahead of Mueller, specifically Nile Wire. But, I am emotionally attached to Nile Wiren. :blush:
http://youtu.be/sSstf8nK-BU
That's gotta be the highwater mark for PEDs inside Vanier
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Love Coop but he was crazy overrated and benefited from the fact that no one in the big 12 threw the ball back then
Well except for OU, which destroyed him.
IIRC, he gave the 2000 Dr Pepper to Stoops all by himself. Loved him, otherwise.
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Love Coop but he was crazy overrated and benefited from the fact that no one in the big 12 threw the ball back then
Well except for OU, which destroyed him.
IIRC, he gave the 2000 Dr Pepper to Stoops all by himself. Loved him, otherwise.
You remember correctly.
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Love Coop but he was crazy overrated and benefited from the fact that no one in the big 12 threw the ball back then
Well except for OU, which destroyed him.
IIRC, he gave the 2000 Dr Pepper to Stoops all by himself. Loved him, otherwise.
You remember correctly.
No one on the roster now seems to personify the ideals of swag and quan in the same way that Coop did.
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Love Coop but he was crazy overrated and benefited from the fact that no one in the big 12 threw the ball back then
Well except for OU, which destroyed him.
IIRC, he gave the 2000 Dr Pepper to Stoops all by himself. Loved him, otherwise.
You remember correctly.
No one on the roster now seems to personify the ideals of swag and quan in the same way that Coop did.
And he was a good dude too.
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i'll be honest i was pretty F'n jacked to make that Barta post :frown:
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i'll be honest i was pretty F'n jacked to make that Barta post :frown:
This is madness. :cheers:
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Stud of studs
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:emawkid: