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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: kso_FAN on November 30, 2015, 10:43:59 AM
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The first edition of 2015-16 Per 100s are here!
Each player's stats are adjusted only for the possessions they are on the floor using their minutes percentage, games played, and K-State's average possessions per game.
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Last year's final per 100s are posted here (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=33829.msg1264557#msg1264557) for comparison.
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i don't recognize any of those names
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Come on, _FAN.
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i don't recognize any of those names
Come on, _FAN.
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thank you.
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We need to drastically improve our eFG% and tighten up our Turnover%.
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If we are going to be a bubble team we need Hopper and Westicles to get their 3 pt% somewhere near the 30s instead of combining to get there
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The JYC nature of this team is enjoyable with Oboarding over 35% and FT rate over 45%. Also, TOs are way down so far (16.4%), but so is shooting (46.5%). We will need shooting to improve to be a tournament team.
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DJamer stud status = confirmed
wish he could get back to 100% healthy
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DJamer stud status = confirmed
wish he could get back to 100% healthy
yup. now, where are all the kat fans who doubted him? their silent tears are delicious.
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Why the hell are these stats presented in per 100 instead of per 40?
It would be like if baseball did era per 25 innings of something.
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Why the hell are these stats presented in per 100 instead of per 40?
It would be like if baseball did era per 25 innings of something.
Per 100 possessions for individual stats is the common way for calculating individual possession based stats. Its an easy round number to work with I suppose. And really, calculating per 40 possessions doesn't make any more sense. Its not like you are talking about stats per minute or 40 minutes (I assume that's where you got per 40). Maybe you could do the calculations per the average possessions in a college game (70 this year), but that doesn't make any more sense than 100. JMHO.
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I want them to reflect actual game numbers :curse:
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I want them to reflect actual game numbers :curse:
They are a different type of stat, plenty of people already provide per game stats. I guess you could make a per game stat that reflects if a player played every minute of every game, but that makes no more sense than going per 100 possessions.
What these stats do is allow you to see what each player really does when he's on the floor and compare production between guys that don't play the same amount of minutes. I think they are a useful tool.
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I understand the point is comparison. Just don't see why 100 is used when an actual per game metric could be. The bigger the multiplier the wider the discrepancy among comps
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I understand the point is comparison. Just don't see why 100 is used when an actual per game metric could be. The bigger the multiplier the wider the discrepancy among comps
I'm not for sure, but I think when possession based offensive and defensive efficiency numbers started being used in the NBA they used points per possession multiplied by 100. I think individual player stats per 100 came from the same thinking. It makes sense that the NBA advanced stats started that way because there are around 100 possessions (on both offense and defense) per game for NBA teams. When it filtered down to college, most people kept the per 100 because it made sense to people who were used to advanced stats. Per 65 or 70 may work better for college under your logic and would make some sense, but I'm used to per 100 and the comparisons now so I'll probably stick with that.
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Need a 3rd three guy bad
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I understand the point is comparison. Just don't see why 100 is used when an actual per game metric could be. The bigger the multiplier the wider the discrepancy among comps
I'm not for sure, but I think when possession based offensive and defensive efficiency numbers started being used in the NBA they used points per possession multiplied by 100. I think individual player stats per 100 came from the same thinking. It makes sense that the NBA advanced stats started that way because there are around 100 possessions (on both offense and defense) per game for NBA teams. When it filtered down to college, most people kept the per 100 because it made sense to people who were used to advanced stats. Per 65 or 70 may work better for college under your logic and would make some sense, but I'm used to per 100 and the comparisons now so I'll probably stick with that.
come on. his logic doesn't make any sense and anyone with a basic understanding of statistics knows that.
per 40 has no more claim on legitimacy as it relates to a game's statistic than per 100, (actually less).
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I understand the point is comparison. Just don't see why 100 is used when an actual per game metric could be. The bigger the multiplier the wider the discrepancy among comps
I'm not for sure, but I think when possession based offensive and defensive efficiency numbers started being used in the NBA they used points per possession multiplied by 100. I think individual player stats per 100 came from the same thinking. It makes sense that the NBA advanced stats started that way because there are around 100 possessions (on both offense and defense) per game for NBA teams. When it filtered down to college, most people kept the per 100 because it made sense to people who were used to advanced stats. Per 65 or 70 may work better for college under your logic and would make some sense, but I'm used to per 100 and the comparisons now so I'll probably stick with that.
come on. his logic doesn't make any sense and anyone with a basic understanding of statistics knows that.
per 40 has no more claim on legitimacy as it relates to a game's statistic than per 100, (actually less).
Agree, the per 40 makes less sense. I get his point about being closer to the actual number of possessions in a college game.
At the end of the day, 100 is fine.
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is there any way to tweak the statistical measurements to improve Budke's numbers?
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is there any way to tweak the statistical measurements to improve Budke's numbers?
My recommendation is to play him less so that his minutes percentage drops below 25% and I can take him off the list.
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Need a 3rd three guy bad
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Westicle needs to improve his %eFG that would really help. Hopper should be shooting a tad better from the outside. Hopefully the flush gets in a groove soon and get buckets off the bench. His defense has been good.
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guys guys guys, the concept of "percent" is really hard for some to grasp.
Here a primer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentage
maybe some day we can even talk about mill(e)s, but that might be a pipe dream
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The only reason a multiplier is used at all is to make small numbers bigger so people used to seeing a number larger than 1 are more comfortable reading. Neither 40, 70, or 100 make more sense than the other.
I said 40 because I brain farted on mintutes. 100 is purely arbitrary at the cbb level. At least 70 would give another usable number because it shows what someone would score if they played the whole game (like era) rather than just a random multiple of the ppp. If you really wanted to do that you could just revise the per multiplier each week based upon average possessions per game.
Not criticizing the presentation, just curious where the number came from. That's been answered. TY
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I mean when was the last time someone shot 100 free throws in a game? So arbitrary.
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I'm going to start reporting my pak'd numbers x100
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If we are going to be a bubble team we need Hopper and Westicles to get their 3 pt% somewhere near the 30s instead of combining to get there
I think we are looking like a bubble team (which is a vast improvement over where I thought we would be) but I don't think that we can expect Hopper to improve his 3pt% much. His best percentage was last year with K-State (29%).
Westicles will probably be fine and be in the mid 30s.
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I doubt we shoot 100 3 pointers in a game, can you please give me actual useful data?
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If we are going to be a bubble team we need Hopper and Westicles to get their 3 pt% somewhere near the 30s instead of combining to get there
I think we are looking like a bubble team (which is a vast improvement over where I thought we would be) but I don't think that we can expect Hopper to improve his 3pt% much. His best percentage was last year with K-State (29%).
Westicles will probably be fine and be in the mid 30s.
Hopper shot 15-44 (.341) in conference last year, so I think low 30s would be his expectation.
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I doubt we shoot 100 3 pointers in a game, can you please give me actual useful data?
:D
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I doubt we shoot 100 3 pointers in a game, can you please give me actual useful data?
Let us mine the data the way we want to, bad person :Crybaby:
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Post Coppin State update.
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3PT shooting looks slightly better.
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It will be interesting to see if this team can maintain the JYC oboarding and FT rate numbers. Also to see if the impressive 4% improvement in offensive TO% is maintained with our young guards. Its notable that both the North Carolina and Georgia games were both at or below our season average in TO%, though against the Tar Heels our JYC numbers were way worse (24% OR%, 30.6% FTR) than our averages.
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I don't think we're deep enough to keep up the rebounding numbers
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per average possessions for starting players would be good. it does matter in the sense that we're used to stats starters put up, and easier to make comparisons. at least for me i wonder "how would x player do if he started"
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why on earth has Hot Horndogs take five 3 pointers!?!
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At this early stage of the season, defensive rebounds is the only stat that's actually reliable.
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Notable:
Four guys scoring at 27 or better per 100. Stokes and Brown have both settled into the lower 20s. Hurt at 25. I thought scoring would be the biggest issue for this team and so far this has been much better than expected...
Perimeter shooting is still a concern. Wade has been really good and Stokes/Brown have been solid. We have to get betters shooting from Edwards, but he has been better lately (6-13 in the last 3 games). I don't think Westicles is going to shoot many, but he can score other ways. If Hurt is going to shoot, he's got to be over 33% on 3s and over 50% on twos.
Oboarding is a strength and several guys do it well. 5 guys at four or more per 100 and DJamer is a oboarding machine.
Guards have been pretty good in handling the ball, though yesterday wasn't very good. Brown needs to be a little better here. Edwards has been really good.
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Solid JYC numbers, need to finish out the OOC hitting some more perimeter shots. We can't have another 60% eFG% performance on defense.
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Brown just needs to settle in a role. Would be very nice X-factor. I hope Wes continues on his aggressive performance against A&M. Watching him attack like that is truly a joy.
I think best case Wade and Wes become are primary scores and Justin can step in to a rock solid contributing role. Something I think he would be more comfortable in.
Worst part about the A&M wasn't just the 16 turnovers is that 11 were steals. That is great way to lose a game a juice an opponents eFG%.
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Dat changing player name - nickname _FAN :Wha:
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I am a little worried about Wade. He's doing okay but I thought at this point his numbers, especially scoring would be better because I'm expecting a pretty steep drop off when conference play starts. The difference in physicality and conditioning needed is going to be pretty stark for him. Probably should be a concern for most if not all of our newcomers.
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I am a little worried about Wade. He's doing okay but I thought at this point his numbers, especially scoring would be better because I'm expecting a pretty steep drop off when conference play starts. The difference in physicality and conditioning needed is going to be pretty stark for him. Probably should be a concern for most if not all of our newcomers.
He's definitely outperformed what I thought he would do initially so he's just coming back to earth a little. But yeah, his defense has been suffering badly lately and will prob be worse come b12 play.
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I am a little worried about Wade. He's doing okay but I thought at this point his numbers, especially scoring would be better because I'm expecting a pretty steep drop off when conference play starts. The difference in physicality and conditioning needed is going to be pretty stark for him. Probably should be a concern for most if not all of our newcomers.
He's definitely outperformed what I thought he would do initially so he's just coming back to earth a little. But yeah, his defense has been suffering badly lately and will prob be worse come b12 play.
Of all the freshman on our team, Wade appears to be the one most physically prepared for D1 bball. Maybe you were implying that because he plays forward the physicality curve is greater, not sure. In any event, I think you guys might be overestimating the quality and depth of big 12 bigs. Other than UT (and maybe wvu or tcu), nobody really has a physically strong or brutish front court. The top 3 teams in the league basically run 4 guards (or 3 guards and a Ngiang) and an athletic forward most of the time.
Also, he was sick for the aTm game, but had scored double digits each of the 3 games before. He also appears to be improving as a rebounder.
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Wade did not play well vs North Carolina and Texas A&M. He's been good in every other game except the first one against MES. He's had an offensive rating of at least 125 and scored at least 12 points in all the other games he's played, plus he's rebounding well and not turning it over.
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Did anyone say Wade has not played well?
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Did anyone say Wade has not played well?
I suppose I took your worry as saying he was tapering off.
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Last year's OOC vs this year's to this point.
Shooting is down, but we're better almost everywhere else; notably TOs and oboarding.
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Last year's OOC vs this year's to this point.
Shooting is down, but we're better almost everywhere else; notably TOs and oboarding.
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Probably fair to assume that this years eFG% won't have the bottom fallout like last year.
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Last year's OOC vs this year's to this point.
Shooting is down, but we're better almost everywhere else; notably TOs and oboarding.
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Probably fair to assume that this years eFG% won't have the bottom fallout like last year.
Why is that? We have inexperienced, streaky guards and a thin, undersized front court. We hope it doesn't happen but I wouldn't say its fair to assume that it won't get worse as our schedule toughens. Someone with a kenpom sub can confirm but I'm guessing the top defensive teams we will face will be in conference.
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unless the 3% or ftr come up, efg will definitely go down. kstate won't shoot 52.6% on 2s in conference.
no idea if it will go down more or less than last year, since i have no idea how much it went down last year.
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Last year's OOC vs this year's to this point.
Shooting is down, but we're better almost everywhere else; notably TOs and oboarding.
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Probably fair to assume that this years eFG% won't have the bottom fallout like last year.
Why is that? We have inexperienced, streaky guards and a thin, undersized front court. We hope it doesn't happen but I wouldn't say its fair to assume that it won't get worse as our schedule toughens. Someone with a kenpom sub can confirm but I'm guessing the top defensive teams we will face will be in conference.
We have played 3 games against teams in the top 50 in adjusted defense A&M at 33, Georgia at 35 and UNC at 39. We have 10 games left against the top 25 in adjusted d; OU, WVU, KU, Baylor, and ISU.
I hate sounding so negative, I'll remind again that I was never a BIDer but our schedule strength is really bad and we play in a very good conference, I'm getting a strong false hope feel to all of this because we blew out a sorry Mizzou team, hung with an incomplete UNC team and, my man Claws hit a 18 foot jumpshot. Hope I'm wrong.
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oh, i read _fan's stats wrong. 52.6% twos, not on twos.
no reason they can't keep shooting 47.2 efg. because that's not particularly good.
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no reason they can't keep shooting 47.2 efg. because that's not particularly good.
233rd :frown:
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Last year's OOC vs this year's to this point.
Shooting is down, but we're better almost everywhere else; notably TOs and oboarding.
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Probably fair to assume that this years eFG% won't have the bottom fallout like last year.
Why is that? We have inexperienced, streaky guards and a thin, undersized front court. We hope it doesn't happen but I wouldn't say its fair to assume that it won't get worse as our schedule toughens. Someone with a kenpom sub can confirm but I'm guessing the top defensive teams we will face will be in conference.
It can get worse but probably to the amount it dropped last year. Dropped like 8% last year. Last years drop was do to way more than just competition.
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Fan, do you want my ticket for Tuesday? I can't get there.
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Our big 3 are still scoring rate, but the scoring rate is going down for all of them. One guy needs to step up and score at 30 pp100. I'm not surprised by the drop by rest, but I don't think 3 guys at 25 pp100 will be enough.
We don't have one true PG, which can be okay. It would be nice for someone to step up and be a 8 (or better) ap100 guy. Solid A:TO by a bunch of guys, but currently our opponents are assisting on a higher rate of made FGs than we are which is not a Bruceketball trait.
Rebounding is by committee and really good. I believe it sustainable, but it won't be enough to win games if we don't score or shoot it better.
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The trend has been set for grinder/ugly 1st halves with improved offensive play in the 2nd. However, the opponent's offense is also much better in the 2nd. 3pt shooting has been discussed, but 2PT% has also been slipping.
I'm not completely surprised by the slip in offensive efficiency/shooting because teams are getting more and more film on what is nearly a completely new version of Bruceketball. Now oscar and his players must adjust and find new ways to score.
Also, I think there is something to the "play K-State zone" stuff, but its also simplistic. I mean, we took apart Georgia's zone in the 2nd half of that win. Also, not many of the Big 12 teams are heavy on zone defense, we'll just have to see how this offense evolves.
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The post OOC (yeah, we still play Ole Miss at the end of January) _FANalysis of K-State basketball, player by player.
Hopper
Edwards does a little of everything for the Cats. While leading the team in minutes, he is 2nd in his rate of scoring, assists, offensive boards, and steals. He's 2nd in assists to TO ratio and 2PT%. He's been an efficient player and pretty much what we all hoped he'd bring last year after his transfer from Maine. He's likely to be an All Big 12 caliber player if these numbers continue in Big 12 play. We need him to be more of a scorer, but maybe he's not capable of that. The biggest issue is only hitting 26% from 3 when 37% of his shots are 3s. He's too good at making twos to be shooting that many 3s. Of course part of that probably is carryover from last year's Big 12 play when Edwards hit 35% from 3 and only 45% on 2s when 41% of his shots were 3s.
Westicles
[Westicles is the team's best scorer, making an incredible jump in points per 100 from last year's 14.5, while playing nearly the same amount of minutes as Edwards. He's also really good on 2s and while he's not making 3s on his minimal amount of attempts, at least only 10% of his shots are behind the arc. Solid at drawing fouls while leading the team in FT attempts and is 3rd on the team in assists to TO ratio. With his size, its reasonable to expect Westicles to be a better rebounder, though he wasn't great there last year.
Claws
Wade has exceeded expectations to start his career at K-State. He's 3rd on the team in scoring rate while also putting up good rebounding numbers and rarely turning the ball over. He can shoot it both inside (over 50% on 2s) and out (34% on 3s) and has been solid from the FT line while getting there at a good rate. Wade has struggled with foul trouble in a few games (though he's still played more minutes than any other big) and his production has dipped a bit lately (3 of the last 4 games scoring in single digits).
Big Meat
Hurt has been a great defensive rebounder and is a threat to shoot it from 3. He scored at a high rate to start the year, but has really dropped off lately. Also not much of an offensive rebounder and is only making 46% of his 2s.
DJamer
Johnson has been our best offensive rebounder and has a good scoring rate in the 20s. He also leads in blocked shots and is solid on the defensive boards and on steals. He is still bothered by injury and we need him to play more minutes.
Deathbite
Stokes has been really steady at PG while playing a lot of minutes with the best assist rate on the team along with hitting 33% of his 3s. He needs to be much more efficient on 2s and cut down on TOs.
The Flush
Brown leads the team in 3pt% and steal rate with a decent scoring rate. Like Stokes, he's been really bad a 2s, plus his assist to TO ratio is below 1.
This team has been better than I anticipated and the 10 and 2 record while avoiding any embarrassing losses has been nice. However, while Georgia on the road is a decent win, this team hasn't beaten anyone that will likely be a tournament team, so those wins will have to come in the Big 12. Shooting is still a major problem, especially in the first half of games. Fortunately, this team has cut down TOs and has been really good on the offensive boards while the defense has also been really good. The Cats could make a push to be .500 in the Big 12 and be an NCAA tournament team, but they will have to be more consistent on offense, especially shooting better from 3, while maintaining tough defense. Against the best league in the country with 10 games against current Top 30 teams and 14 against the Top 50, that will be easier said than done.
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FAN, great work and analysis. Thanks. I think they have a shot to make a little noise in conference.
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Thanks for taking the time to put this together. Hoping the Cats keep it going.
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The evolution of Edwards from Maine to K-State is fairly interesting, especially in regard to shot selection. As I said, 37% of his attempts this year and in his career at K-State are 3s. As a freshman at Maine, 18.5% of his attempts were 3s and as a SO 25% of his attempts were 3s. I'm sure it was easier for him to get more quality 2PT attempts against Maine's competition, plus he nearly shot 1/3 of Maine's attempts when he was on the floor his SO year. When he shot 30% last year overall and then 34% in conference play from 3, I'm sure continuing his percentage of 3PT attempts seemed like a good idea. Even though he's managed a very nice offensive rating on kenpom of 114.5, he's still only hitting 25.6% of his 3s while making a very impressive 54.8% on 2s, so it seems like it would be a good idea for him to focus on getting more 2s and/or continuing to draws fouls/increase his FT rate (which he's also been good at this year).
In any case, he's clearly been the MVP of the team so far this year considering the number of things he's doing very well.
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He's been the player I am putting my hopes on for the team's success this year. I think the team will go as he goes, for the most part. Even though Stokes is vital to the team.
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He's been the player I am putting my hopes on for the team's success this year. I think the team will go as he goes, for the most part. Even though Stokes is vital to the team.
Stokes and Brown have to hit perimeter shots and be more efficient scorers. That pair of young guards can help this team a bunch in Big 12 play.
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Now for the post OOC advanced box score.
The difference from first half to second half efficiency is very interesting. Notable is how much better this team is at protecting the ball (TO%), hitting shots (particularly 3s), and distributing the ball (A%) in the 2nd half. Oboarding and 2PT% remain consistent. FT rate makes a considerable jump, but that make sense with drawing fouls to finish some of the closer games we've had.
Defensively the 2nd half is worse as well, but the improvement is in oboarding allowed and FT rate. Overall the defensive numbers are very good, granted we haven't exactly played a really tough schedule.
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He's been the player I am putting my hopes on for the team's success this year. I think the team will go as he goes, for the most part. Even though Stokes is vital to the team.
Stokes and Brown have to hit perimeter shots and be more efficient scorers. That pair of young guards can help this team a bunch in Big 12 play.
I don't disagree with that. I'm looking forward to having them around.
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Updated per 100 possession ratings. Big 12 only will come out after next weekend.
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Westicles takes a big hit in TO rate (after 7 vs WVU) and Stokes drops in 3PT% (after 1-7).
Brown's point production makes a big jump after his 20.
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a mildly interesting thing i noticed on kenpom. the 2014 kstate team and this year's team are both top 10 at 3% defense. will be more interesting if that holds up for the rest of the year.
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wvu leads the nation in 3% defense, which is also mildly interesting. i wish i'd have known that before saturday's game so i'd have been mildly more interested in both teams missing tons of 3s.
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Season per 100s...
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And Big 12 only per 100s...
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Big 12 numbers are flawed because of small sample size, but still somewhat interesting.
Brown is on fire.
Stokes is not.
Edwards, Westicles, and Hurt have to play much, much better.
Big 12 shooting is just ridiculously bad from 3, decent from 2.
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ou is #3 in the nation at 3%, kstate, of course, is #1 at 3% defense. clash of titans on saturday, should be great fun.
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ou is #3 in the nation at 3%, kstate, of course, is #1 at 3% defense. clash of titans on saturday, should be great fun.
:D
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Big 12 play has shown the incredible scoring ability of The Flush. Note his improvement in 2PT% as a major factor in his scoring uptake.
However, we've seen a real regression from Edwards and to a lessor extend Westicles. Plus a major shooting slump from Stokes. Those 3 have to pick up their shooting/scoring for the Cats to win Big 12 games.
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Kam and Dean need to get back to hitting threes.
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Updated and now animated (5 second intervals between Big 12 and season).
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The Flush's scoring continues to be impressive and a great shooting game from Stokes moves him back to 30% from 3.
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that animation is very elite
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that animation is very elite
It is. No criticism here; just wish I could follow that quickly.
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Here is a massive season by season comparison chart going back to 03.
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Good news for The Flush
Christ, beas was a rebounding machine
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Top 20 per 100s in each category since 2003.
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Good job Carlbre!
Also, that Hurt DREB stat is hard to believe...maybe last night's game is affecting me too much
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Season/Big 12 animated box score with advanced stats.
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2nd half 3 PT shooting and defense must get better in Big 12 play, which is a flip from what we did most of the OOC schedule.
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Animated Season/Big 12 advanced box score:
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Big 12 only per 100s.
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The first thing that sticks out is scoring. You've simply got to have more guys that can score and produce at a higher rate than what we have. Someone playing significant minutes has to step and be score in the high 20s/low 30s per 100 possessions and we don't have.
Wade seems to have hit is freshman funk. He's doing work on the boards, but he isn't hitting shots at all right now.
Big 12 only advanced box score.
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A bad shooting team has to consistently win TOs, oboards, and get to the FT line. In Big 12 play 2nd half defense has been a major downfall as well.
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33.9. it just keeps creeping up. we need to turn that trend around starting saturday.
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Season per 100s.
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3PT shooting has improved the last couple of a games and the Cats now have 4 shooters at 30% or better.
The Cats need at least a couple of guys to step up and be 25+ per 100 scorers if this team has any shot at approaching .500 in the Big 12.
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Big 12 only update:
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Pretty much the numbers of a bottom 1/3, 2-6 team. Nothing stands out on the page except Edward's steal rate. Pretty much everything must improve, but especially scoring/shooting if this team wants to get to 7 or 8 conference wins and push .500.
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A real lack of players that can "score the ball". The only team of those I've charted with no player that scores at least 25 pts per 100 or better.
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Individual and team stats, Big 12 only.
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Edwards is off a cliff for the second straight year. I have no idea what happens to him. He can vanish in games like Houdini
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Edwards is off a cliff for the second straight year. I have no idea what happens to him. He can vanish in games like Houdini
He's decent at a lot of things, but not really great at anything (maybe steals). K-State needed him (or Wes) to perform at an all league level (1st/2nd team) with the turnover from last year and he just isn't good enough to do that.
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so, stokes is out for the season, it sounds like? statistically, he looks completely replaceable, but presumably he was getting minutes for a reason. will make it that much tougher to stay in the top 50.
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so, stokes is out for the season, it sounds like? statistically, he looks completely replaceable, but presumably he was getting minutes for a reason. will make it that much tougher to stay in the top 50.
Carlbe will have to step up among others. He missed like 3 point blank shots last night, plus he can't shoot 3s.
So yeah.
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Edwards is off a cliff for the second straight year. I have no idea what happens to him. He can vanish in games like Houdini
He's decent at a lot of things, but not really great at anything (maybe steals). K-State needed him (or Wes) to perform at an all league level (1st/2nd team) with the turnover from last year and he just isn't good enough to do that.
I totally agree. But if he could at least stay at the all-around B- level he was showing in the non-con, where he was 1st or second on the team in most categories. I expected the numbers to go down in the big 12, but he has become the 5-6 place guy for us in those same categories.
And when you watch him play, he just seems waaaaayyyy more tentative.
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Edwards is off a cliff for the second straight year. I have no idea what happens to him. He can vanish in games like Houdini
He's decent at a lot of things, but not really great at anything (maybe steals). K-State needed him (or Wes) to perform at an all league level (1st/2nd team) with the turnover from last year and he just isn't good enough to do that.
I totally agree. But if he could at least stay at the all-around B- level he was showing in the non-con, where he was 1st or second on the team in most categories. I expected the numbers to go down in the big 12, but he has become the 5-6 place guy for us in those same categories.
And when you watch him play, he just seems waaaaayyyy more tentative.
Yes, its been disappointing. I bought into how he played in the OOC.
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Updated season/Big 12 per 100 stats.
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You can make a strong case that our best player in Big 12 play is DJamer. Right now he's our best scorer, rebounder, and shot blocker.
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You can make a strong case that our best player in Big 12 play is DJamer.
move to the fire oscar thread.
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You can make a strong case that our best player in Big 12 play is DJamer.
move to the fire oscar thread.
Best rebounder. Best scorer. Best shot blocker. High 2PT% and FT rate. Decent in steals.
He's become a good player.
I do agree it says a lot about the state of the program though.
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DJamer....
Last 7 games, he has played just over half of the Poss ( or about 22 of every 40 min)....and Ave 11.6 pts and impressive 6.3 Reb. Shooting almost 60% and hitting 23-29 FT. Rock solid.
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Yes and yes.
How does he compare to seibrandt
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Westicles should play the 4
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I wish Hurt was better at getting o-boards and working the post, but he's happy taking ill advised extremely long 2s
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Even with the last week of basketball, I still like stats. I messed around and came up with a new format for per 100s plus shooting stats. I like it better, but I'm not sure what others will think. Thoughts?
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I sorted by points per 100, but the bars for each column allow for player by player comparisons still.
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Fan I like it. It took me a second to get used to it but I think it is pretty good.
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Does this new format tell me that DJamer is the MVP of the 15-16 cats?
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Does this new format tell me that DJamer is the MVP of the 15-16 cats?
Yes it does.
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yes, better format.
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New chart format showing improvement (or lack thereof) over time. (each player is just compared to themselves, ie. bar sizes)
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DJamer's improved from being a scrub to MVP.
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Animated per 100s of the Big 12's Top 6 teams.
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New chart format showing improvement (or lack thereof) over time. (each player is just compared to themselves, ie. bar sizes)
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Wow. This chart really summarizes why I hate everything about this team..... Our turnovers and 3pt % are getting worse for each player.... It is really disgusting.
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oscar taking a chance on a pair of lower level transfers didn't pan out. Neither became more than a Big 12 level role player.
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FWIW, DJamer is on pace to have the best 2PT% and FG% at K-State since 2002, plus a top 10 oboarding per 100 season and top 15 in blocks per 100.
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Hey Mr. DJamer!
I really appreciate how much DJamer has developed here, he's become a really solid Big 12 player.
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Hey Mr. DJamer!
I really appreciate how much DJamer has developed here, he's become a really solid Big 12 player.
time for a few vocal off season DJamer haterz to show their fat faces in this thread
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Yeah he's been really good
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Hey Mr. DJamer!
I really appreciate how much DJamer has developed here, he's become a really solid Big 12 player.
time for a few vocal off season DJamer haterz to show their fat faces in this thread
Paging @MakeItRain
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Hey Mr. DJamer!
I really appreciate how much DJamer has developed here, he's become a really solid Big 12 player.
time for a few vocal off season DJamer haterz to show their fat faces in this thread
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@rowdyboy
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@ known anti-DJamer chingon
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@sys hates him too but I don't think it's because of his basketball abilities
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@ known anti-DJamer chingon
I stand by it.
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what do you stand by?
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what do you stand by?
being an anti-DJamer
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@sys hates him too but I don't think it's because of his basketball abilities
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take a look at that face, boys. because i hate the eff out of him.
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Hey Mr. DJamer!
I really appreciate how much DJamer has developed here, he's become a really solid Big 12 player.
time for a few vocal off season DJamer haterz to show their fat faces in this thread
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1. Nothing I said about DJamer was wrong. I was mocking people who acted like he was going to be a double double machine that would lead us to a tournament birth.
2. I was the very first person who said he could be this, although I didn't anticipate the free throw shooting. After our open scrimmage his freshman year I believe I said he would defend well, rebound well, and offer some scoring especially off of o boards. I was mocked then so I'll take my victory lap now.
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I was the very first person who said he could be this, although I didn't anticipate the free throw shooting. After our open scrimmage his freshman year I believe I said he would defend well, rebound well, and offer some scoring especially off of o boards. I was mocked then so I'll take my victory lap now.
i remember this. i argued with mir about him not being a big 12 player.
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1. Nothing I said about DJamer was wrong. I was mocking people who acted like he was going to be a double double machine that would lead us to a tournament birth.
please take a moment to point out who those people were/are, because they certainly deserve to be mocked
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unless maybe you're referring to some posters on gpc, or people who don't actually bbs :confused:
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1. Nothing I said about DJamer was wrong. I was mocking people who acted like he was going to be a double double machine that would lead us to a tournament birth.
please take a moment to point out who those people were/are, because they certainly deserve to be mocked
I don't rough ridin' remember man, I wasn't the one who brought it up. Ask wetwillie or use the search function. If I were to guess I'd guess wacky and/or mixed-nuts, along with the normal cast of browns.
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oh, ok.
:lol:
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It was me. But I actually said DJamer would be a triple double machine en route to our first final four appearance in over 50 years.
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It was me. But I actually said DJamer would be a triple double machine en route to our first final four appearance in over 50 years.
rough ridin' freaking* brown, jeesh
sorry prez schulz
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DJamer MVP. Good job Darrell.
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DJamer MVP. Good job Darrell.
DJamer was crazy good from miss. onward. he could be all big 12 next year.
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If he doesn't transfer
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lol wut
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lol wut
There were like 700 d1 transfers last year, everyone is a possibility. DJamer specifically is probably the likeliest to transfer if he graduates because he won't have to sit.
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we'll see how spring break goes
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Hollywoods is less likely to transfer than Darrell. Now I've heard it all.
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So with Dean not winning newcomer of the year because certain "people" can't pass him the ball, I suspect there might be grumblings.