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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: star seed 7 on October 19, 2015, 01:26:45 PM
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/10/19/biden-reportedly-entering-presidential-race.html
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I am getting. This is like being constipated with a a football sized turd inside of you. It's a thrill when it passes, but you won't bronze it and put it on your mantel.
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Looks like the democrat party has officially flushed MG.
We need one of these with an MG head on it :flush:
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@thebigtrain
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Well, it's about time.
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:flush: or maybe :Woohoo: because the establishment vote will get split
he'd do a much better job in a general than the primary though
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putin better get ready for some unwanted neck rubs
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Oh great, another Dem who was a huge proponent of the Iraq war, a major Dem Iraq War cheerleader. :thumbsup:
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(https://moviewriternyu.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/joe.jpg)
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Joe is going to absolutely wreck the pud candidates of both sides of this thing. Buy stock in body bag companies.
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So now that Joe is maybe running for president, I think it's time to dust off this wisdom from his 2012 VP debate with Paul Ryan... http://www.npr.org/2012/10/11/162754053/transcript-biden-ryan-vice-presidential-debate (http://www.npr.org/2012/10/11/162754053/transcript-biden-ryan-vice-presidential-debate)
"On Iraq, the president said he would end the war. Governor Romney said that was a tragic mistake; we should have left — that he ended it — Governor Romney said that was a tragic mistake; we should have left 30,000 troops there."
Once again, Romney was right. You were wrong Joe, oh so wrong.
"With regard to Afghanistan, [Obama] said he will end the war in 2014. Governor Romney said we should not set a date, number one, and number two, with regard to 2014, it depends.
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[W]e've agreed on a gradual drawdown so we're out of there by the year — in the year 2014.
My friend and the governor say it's based on conditions, which means it depends. It does not depend for us. It is the responsibility of the Afghans to take care of their own security. We have trained over 315,000, mostly without incident. There have been more than two dozen cases of green on blue where Americans have been killed.
If we do — if the — if the measures the military has taken do not take hold, we will not go on joint patrols, we will not train in the field. We'll only train in the — in the Army bases that exist there.
But we are leaving. We are leaving in 2014, period."
Quick check - did we leave Afghanistan in 2014, period?
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If your argument is that Romney should run, I would be behind that.
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Dems: Always willing to toss aside principals to keep their own in office
Sad
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Look for Obama to put the 'cuffs on Hillary soon, if he doesn't you may actually start to feel theBern.
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Strong smell of neocon fear itt
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Joe "NeoCon" Biden
The one issue that has generated some attention is that Biden authored the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, which not only expanded the number of crimes subject to the federal death penalty, but also played a pivotal role in the explosion of incarcerations and the disproportionate criminal prosecution in poor black communities. Joe’s always been a tough-on-crime sort of guy, and as The New York Times pointed out recently
Despite reservations, Mr. Biden, who has served as the Obama administration’s unofficial liaison to the law enforcement community, has not only stood by the 1994 legislation, but has also frequently taken credit for it. As recently as this spring, in an essay on community policing for a book of bipartisan reform proposals put together by the Brennan Center for Justice, Mr. Biden referred to the legislation as the “1994 Biden Crime Bill.”
In addition to the “1994 Biden Crime Bill,” the vice president was one of the biggest proponents of the War on Drugs, taking a leading role in creating federal mandatory minimum laws that have put scores of non-violent criminals in prison. The kind of policies President Obama, Elizabeth Warren, every progressive, and many others have claimed are destructive. Biden also helped create the Drug Czar, a government official that oversees all anti-drug operations. As Biden explained to Time back in 2008, “I am not only the guy who did the crime bill and the drug czar, but I’m also the guy who spent years when I was chairman of the Judiciary Committee and chairman trying to change drug policy relative to cocaine, for example, crack and chowder.”
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On the social front, Biden voted for the bigoted, anti-equality Defense of Marriage Act that has since been found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Biden voted in favor the “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policy which pushed members of the American gay community who wanted to fight for their nation deeper into the closet. Surely he will be asked to defend these votes by explaining how he evolved to his current position.
Biden has not only come out against federal funding for abortions, but also voted in favor of a 1999 bill to ban most partial-birth abortions, and in favor of the 2003 Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act. Surely if he supported a bill that protected post-viable babies, he must also support Republican efforts to protect viable babies and believe it’s wrong to harvest a baby’s body parts after she’s been born. I look forward to the Catholic Biden’s clarification.
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On issues of war and peace, Biden didn’t simply vote for the Iraq War, he was a vocal proponent of going to war. In 2002, as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Biden said that Saddam Hussein was “a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security.” Biden went on to say that there was “no choice but to eliminate the threat.” In October of 2002, he gave a speech on the floor of the U.S. Senate advocating for going to war. How Americans–liberals especially–can vote for someone who, when confronted with most important issue of his age, voted the wrong way? “A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics,” as Obama put it.
Before joining the administration, Biden was not only for increasing federal domestic spying programs, but he used to boast that the Patriot Act was essentially a copy of his own the anti-terrorist legislation from 1995. Either this is not true, or Democrats would be supporting the author of the Patriot Act. And Biden was a proponent of expanding the power of FBI wiretaps long before 9/11.
Cue meltdown over source . . . http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/25/will-joe-biden-have-to-answer-for-his-heresy-against-liberals/
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Joe Biden: Out neo-conning the neo cons for decades.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/22/us/politics/joe-bidens-role-in-90s-crime-law-could-haunt-any-presidential-bid.html?_r=1
Joe's Pot Grade: D
https://www.mpp.org/2016-presidential-candidates/
Joe Biden: A true self preserving politician. An agent for change in Washington!
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/03/06/1671581/21-senators-who-voted-for-doma-in-1996-but-later-opposed-it/
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what grade does he get in Weird Uncling, dax?
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what grade does he get in Weird Uncling, dax?
:dunno:
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Sounds like a general election winning moderate to me
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should be able to reach across the table and work with libtards (if he wants)
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Strong smell of neocon fear itt
I'm not a neocon so I'm not sure if directed at me, but I'd love Biden to get in. Yes, he's a stronger candidate than Hillary in the general, but he'll also torpedo Hillary's chances for the nomination. Finally a palatable alternative for establishment libs.
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Joe v. Donald :love:
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ProgLibs: As long as he's a (D), NeoCon Joe has got my vote!
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ProgLibs: As long as he's a (D), NeoCon Joe has got my vote!
who are you yelling at
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Strong smell of neocon fear itt
I'm not a neocon so I'm not sure if directed at me, but I'd love Biden to get in. Yes, he's a stronger candidate than Hillary in the general, but he'll also torpedo Hillary's chances for the nomination. Finally a palatable alternative for establishment libs.
I like Biden in this race because I'm not sure if the Republican nominee will be someone I could ever vote for and Biden at least seems like he might be a good person.
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A Joe v. Jeb general is a moderate dream matchup
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Jeb looks positively left wing compared to Joe "war on everything" Biden.
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Joe is probably putting the finishing touches on orchestrating an indictment for Hilary. what a boss.
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Not afraid to clean up his own party
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Strong smell of neocon fear itt
I'm not a neocon so I'm not sure if directed at me, but I'd love Biden to get in. Yes, he's a stronger candidate than Hillary in the general, but he'll also torpedo Hillary's chances for the nomination. Finally a palatable alternative for establishment libs.
I like Biden in this race because I'm not sure if the Republican nominee will be someone I could ever vote for and Biden at least seems like he might be a good person.
You realize Biden would just be a rubber stamp for the liberal agenda right? If you agree with that agenda, then that's all well and good, but let's pretend Biden would be a "moderate" president - whatever that is.
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i thought he was a neocon
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Jeb is the leftist, keep up ksuw
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dax was v persuasive
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Biden is old and very stupid, and the best democrat candidate.
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Correct. It really tells you all you need to know about the Dem field that establishment Dems think Joe Biden is their savior.
Well, that and Lincoln Chafee on the main debate stage as one of five candidates.
The Dems staked everything on coronating one terribly flawed candidate.
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Lol at the resident ProgLibs selling out for Joe "war on everybody" Biden.
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Joe's clearly sold out to every side of the fence to stay in Washington. ProgLibs have gone from failed Hope and Change to the old white guy war monger.
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I still have no idea who Lincoln Chaffie is, or how you even pronounce that last name
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ProgLibs: As long as he's a (D), NeoCon Joe has got my vote!
Why do you and your fellow neocons keep saying this? Why is it so hard for you to understand that Joe Biden is the only moderate, from either party, anywhere close to this election? Liberals are asking for Joe as much as you and your people are.
If he wins the nomination, I'll take it I guess, but he isn't winning the nomination.
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Okay there MIR, thanks for redefining moderate as well. Pro War, draconian crime legislation, anti civil liberties: Moderate.
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Dax and KSUW seem to have very differing opinions of joes positions
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Dax and KSUW seem to have very differing opinions of joes positions
No we're in agreement. Joe is like GWB's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) uncle when it comes to foreign policy. I'm not as dovish as Dax when it comes to use of force, but I do expect our leaders to be smart about it. Obama's actions have been a toxic mixture of appeasement and ham-handed intervention, all of it a disaster. Biden will just be an extension of that.
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Ok, that's good
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Strong smell of neocon fear itt
I'm not a neocon so I'm not sure if directed at me, but I'd love Biden to get in. Yes, he's a stronger candidate than Hillary in the general, but he'll also torpedo Hillary's chances for the nomination. Finally a palatable alternative for establishment libs.
I like Biden in this race because I'm not sure if the Republican nominee will be someone I could ever vote for and Biden at least seems like he might be a good person.
You realize Biden would just be a rubber stamp for the liberal agenda right? If you agree with that agenda, then that's all well and good, but let's pretend Biden would be a "moderate" president - whatever that is.
I'd vote for the liberal agenda over Trump or Carson.
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What a pickle for the "Obama wasn't hard left enough" now "yeah Joe! A moderate hard liner we can believe in"! Crowd.
Translation: The (D) is all that matters.
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Oh, I'm definitely going Biden if it's him vs Trump. Even if I know Joe is going to be a sock puppet of the horrible Obama legacy.
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Dax, who's your guy in this election? Just curious
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Pubs are so scared that Joe is the only truly electable person on either side in this campaign. Whipping asses and taints.
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The only thing that scares unaffiliated right of center people like me, and Pubs is that Joe is going to be nothing but a Puppet for Obama. I'll settle for the every side of the fence and whatever it takes to stay in Washington Joe, over an Obama sock puppet. Channeling the Dem debate summation . . . the last 7 years have been miserable enough.
Hopefully Patriot Act Joe will reform his views.
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I'm excited.
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WELP!
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its gonna be clinton vs bush isn't it.
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Yep
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Jeb! is a dud so maybe not
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Whelp, no NeoCon's Friend Joe "my act-patriot act" Biden to vote for.
It's down to The perpetually lying criminal and the guy who doesn't understand Denmark or China's "maternity leave" policies.
:thumbsup:
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Weird thread.
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Guess Hillary isn't getting charged
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:lol:
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its gonna be clinton vs bush isn't it.
Jeb's got a ton of work to do, it's looking more bleak for him by the day. Looking like a 13 month Hillary coronation.
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What a pickle for the "Obama wasn't hard left enough" now "yeah Joe! A moderate hard liner we can believe in"! Crowd.
Translation: The (D) is all that matters.
Joe Biden consistently polling 10+ points behind Bernie Sanders was the greatest sign that their was a real high demand for Biden from the left. Actually this poll is a much better sign. http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/democrats-divided-whether-joe-biden-should-enter-2016-race-n447436 we're really gonna miss you Joe, it's really too bad you're letting down the dozens of liberals looking forward to you coming to save the party.
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Because like all left/right paradigm hardliners, they want who is most electable. ProgLibs were willing to set aside Joe"war on everybody, the neo cons friend" Biden's actual track record to maintain (D) power.
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Guess Hillary isn't getting charged
That was my first thought. I guess we'll see...
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What a pickle for the "Obama wasn't hard left enough" now "yeah Joe! A moderate hard liner we can believe in"! Crowd.
Translation: The (D) is all that matters.
Joe Biden consistently polling 10+ points behind Bernie Sanders was the greatest sign that their was a real high demand for Biden from the left. Actually this poll is a much better sign. http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/democrats-divided-whether-joe-biden-should-enter-2016-race-n447436 we're really gonna miss you Joe, it's really too bad you're letting down the dozens of liberals looking forward to you coming to save the party.
Those numbers are really good for someone who isn't even campaigning.
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What a pickle for the "Obama wasn't hard left enough" now "yeah Joe! A moderate hard liner we can believe in"! Crowd.
Translation: The (D) is all that matters.
Joe Biden consistently polling 10+ points behind Bernie Sanders was the greatest sign that their was a real high demand for Biden from the left. Actually this poll is a much better sign. http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/democrats-divided-whether-joe-biden-should-enter-2016-race-n447436 we're really gonna miss you Joe, it's really too bad you're letting down the dozens of liberals looking forward to you coming to save the party.
Those numbers are really good for someone who isn't even campaigning.
Sure, if it wasn't a two term sitting vice president and someone who's been a party leader for 30 years.
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Because like all left/right paradigm hardliners, they want who is most electable. ProgLibs were willing to set aside Joe"war on everybody, the neo cons friend" Biden's actual track record to maintain (D) power.
If you keep repeating yourself I'll do the same; nothing says "we need someone more electable" than that person supposedly more electable losing to a relative unknown who is an avowed Socialist.
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Who lost to Bernie?
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Who lost to Bernie?
I already posted the link of Biden behind Bernie in the polls, you senile old man.
Another sign of the Democrats unwavering want for Biden to enter the race was seeing pretty much all of the key democrat election operatives working for Hillary.
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Joe could not have won the nomination. But his dedicated service to his country cannot be denied.
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Oh, I guess I just don't pay much attention to presidential polls that include people who aren't candidates.
You mean lifetime beltway hacks attached themselves to an actual candidate for president? Amazeballs!
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Declaring victory?? :lol:
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Can't get caught out in the middle like that dax
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I wish he would have run and got the nomination. I would probably still vote for the republican because I think the country needs it, but I wouldn't be upset if Joe won, like I will be if Hillary wins. I think he's a genuine, honest person, so unlike Obama, Hillary, Jeb, etc.
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Why would moderate Joe and communist Bernie share votes??? Did I miss something? ??
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https://twitter.com/Reverend_Scott/status/544894885397274626