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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2015, 06:33:03 AM
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Saturday was an interesting moment for me. K-State has always been #1 in my heart and probably always will be, but I left the only bar in Waldo showing the game to go to the Well for the Royals game at halftime. That was a complete crap show and I didn't even give a eff, because the Royals are keeping me happy. I just think I'm numb to these guys anymore. It's obvious Snyder has no involvement. We started out the game with 6 passes after OU's crap performance against the run the week before?! GTFOOH! I guess what I'm trying to say is: go royals!
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I listened to the first half of the dumpster fire and heard Matt Walters, IIHC, make an interesting comment. Early on, after a 3-and-out, Matt said O-linemen coming off the field were yelling at the sideline "Run the ball!!"
The coaching has sunk to new depths.
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Good grief!
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The thing is there's still huge elements of Tuck Nation who will continue to roll out one excuse after another about how this situation has evolved.
For starters, the huge investment in facilities was and is not being made for Snyder and this coaching staff because it is understood that they'll do nothing with it. It will continue to be the five heart walkon catastrophe that Tuck Nation loves that has created the crap show that we are witnessing. This stuff is being built for the next coaching staff.
We are witnessing WW1 all over again as Snyder tries to outlast Currie because UPKS and ADJC want absolutely nothing to do with a HCSS situation.
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FYI those that follow T. Pierce in social media know that he and other former Snyder 1 players are ripping the coaching staff and in particular excoriating the level of talent on this team.
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FYI those that follow T. Pierce in social media know that he and other former Snyder 1 players are ripping the coaching staff and in particular excoriating the level of talent on this team.
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Calculated moves big homie. You know that. I think we are all on the same page in that we are trying to win games by all means. One thing is 100% accurate, is that the fans that think from a football perspective have one agenda and the coaching staff and the fans that support regardless of what is right or wrong, have a totally separate agenda. Bill isn't trying to win with the best athletes he can put on the field. Look at the players they recruit. Not one athlete from the top 300 has been offered by KSU. We are No longer capable of getting the top juco players. The focus is to prove now that he can be competitive with as little as possible. It's surely not about winning championships with highly talented players. Unfortunately, Nobody cares about playing for KSU anymore. We've managed to make it about one man bigger than the team when the whole time we were taught and programmed to do what was best for the team. It's sad man. The talent pool is empty. Across the board. The receivers at KU are better than our corp of receivers. Dimel and Gronkowski getting backfield carries??? That's Ryan Payne and Nick Hoheisel. Hey but the complex is nice though. #EMAWStill
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Right on Joe!Those words are the true base of it all. We preach team right but some how it always ends up about the coach. In our day the talent was undeniable so he could only recieve a portion of the credit..... Joe like I tell Tp all the time if we play you in 2001 we win a national but nobody speaks on all the chips we should have won from depriving ballers from playing. The same is happening now with 24, 4, and 6. No way those guys should not be 85% of the offense tommorrow vs OU. When we play our TALENT results are 35-17 at the half vs #2. Second half we play we try to give opportunity to other guys and look what happens. Its frustrating because we as former players understand what's going. The fans just go with it as if it was a tough loss. This team could Win the 12 if we stop the Bull crap and play. Stop dummin down your talent to make it look a certain way.
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Oh man
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In 2011 we had Klein, huber, Lockett, Arthur brown, tremaine Thompson, harper, zimmerman, malone,..etc. i couldnt name you 1 player on this team.
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NONE of the players we have on the team this year will get a look at the NFL but maybe Whitehair. Snyder can coach his ass off I know this, I played for the man. But those players I named were solid and could match up with other teams. The kids on this years team can't AT ALL. We had TCU down, but when they realized they are better than us across the board we all saw what happened, as well with OKst. We damn near couldn't win our non conference games this year. We'll be lucky to go 6-6
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No talent across the board in comparison to the rest of the country. The one thing that happened last week that hasn't happened historically at KSU, is that when the cupboard is bare like it is now, Bill manages to out coach one team that is better and more talented than KSU. The coaching staff may have blown the one opportunity to beat that superior team by calling several questionable plays. But don't get me wrong, these Cats are terrible. When it was time to bow up and show how you respond from last week, OU scored in 1:05. When it was time to get a stop or even slow them down against TCU, Horn frogs score two touchdowns in like 1:05. Same thing needs to be done against Oklahoma State, Oklahoma state throws three straight fades to get in scoring position and win the game. The cupboard is bare. This is Kansas State University. I watch some of these dudes run routes, tackle and come out of their breaks, they'd be in rotation with other players at the good NAIA schools.
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I don't even watch K-state football any more. And when I do I usually pull for the other team cuz when k-state win games it makes the conference looks bad and it keeps up the perception that's Kstate can win without recruiting athletes.
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one thing is for sure, tp needs to get itch manhattan standout ryan payne's name out his mouf
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I don't even watch K-state football any more. And when I do I usually pull for the other team cuz when k-state win games it makes the conference looks bad and it keeps up the perception that's Kstate can win without recruiting athletes.
Yikes!
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Those were from a number of former players, not just TP.
They are also affirming what I have felt for a long time. That is that Snyder is focusing on proving his legacy that he can win with marginal talent.
It's also affirming my belief that the hyper focus on every nuance is preventing more talented players from seeing the field.
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Thank you for documenting these former player's thoughts. Doing the Lord's work.
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Those were from a number of former players, not just TP.
They are also affirming what I have felt for a long time. That is that Snyder is focusing on proving his legacy that he can win with marginal talent.
It's also affirming my belief that the hyper focus on every nuance is preventing more talented players from seeing the field.
that is a crazy plan to consciously enact
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I bet if we had ertz our season would be going better. A wr is playing qb for Christ sakes
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Right on Joe!Those words are the true base of it all. We preach team right but some how it always ends up about the coach. In our day the talent was undeniable so he could only recieve a portion of the credit..... Joe like I tell Tp all the time if we play you in 2001 we win a national but nobody speaks on all the chips we should have won from depriving ballers from playing. The same is happening now with 24, 4, and 6. No way those guys should not be 85% of the offense tommorrow vs OU. When we play our TALENT results are 35-17 at the half vs #2. Second half we play we try to give opportunity to other guys and look what happens. Its frustrating because we as former players understand what's going. The fans just go with it as if it was a tough loss. This team could Win the 12 if we stop the Bull crap and play. Stop dummin down your talent to make it look a certain way.
Lost all credibility by saying that Charles jones is a baller talent.
Also, 2001 when went 6-6 I think. That is a long way from a championship.
Everybody is just frustrated. To say that Snyder has intentionally recruited bad talent is laughable. Some of our best players are young. The wr position is a mess right now. Injuries have destroyed our ab and secondary position. If we see this team tank the rest of the season I will be concerned, but I doubt it happens (despite yesterday's crapshow).
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They clearly said that the right talent was not being put on the field in 2001.
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There's also no reason why that in year 6 of Snyder II that we're even discussing the lack of talent. The talent should be at its pinnacle!
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There's also no reason why that in year 6 of Snyder II that we're even discussing the lack of talent. The talent should be at its pinnacle!
agreed. In regards to 2001, who would they have put on the field that didn't get PT? Serious question, I'm struggling to recall names off the top of my head. The WR corps was terrible, I remember that. The defense had double digit numbers make the NFL so I'm not sure there was an issue there. Offensively the only thing we did well was run the ball but we struggled with it against several good teams because other than OU Roberson really struggled as a passer. And again, the receivers were probably the worst group we've had in recent memory, until this year of course.
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If you seriously believe Snyder is specifically trying to prove he can win with crappy players at this point, then you basically just have to believe Snyder is out of his rough ridin' mind (which is possible, btw). The guy's legacy is quite literally cemented. His name is on the stadium and highway, his likeness is set in bronze (or whatever), and he is already in the HOF. What on earth could he be trying to accomplish for himself? The only thing that makes sense to me is going for a national title, which many people seem to think he is completely indifferent about.
Realistically I think he just cannot maintain the focus and energy anymore to do this job at the highest level. He does not want to retire because he doesn't want his assistants to lose their jobs and he probably knows he will die within a year after retirement because to him coaching=life.
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They clearly said that the right talent was not being put on the field in 2001.
I agree that we don't always play our most athletic players. But the reason is because our coaches believe that smart, mistake free football is best way for ksu to win. Maybe Miami or Baylor is better with a different philosophy, but this has worked very well for us. It is important to remember that we won more conference games 2011-14 than any other big 12 school. Same staff, same philosophy.
We are young and just decimated by injuries. Not that yesterday isn't painful, but this staff-particularly Snyder--have tons of credibility. Yesterday was ugly, but everybody is overreacting.
Also, some of those former players have axes to grind, including coke head tp.
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I just don't think you can hand wave away 55-0 as bad luck.
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It's not an issue of credibility Steffy, and you're just a dude on a message board. The former players points are valid.
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Everything is pretty crazy, expect for the fact Bill refuses to put an emphasis on recruiting.
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It's not an issue of credibility Steffy, and you're just a dude on a message board. The former players points are valid.
I agree that we shouldn't discount everything former players say. But most should be taken with grain of salt. Some of them can't be objective, and some are just morons. In any event, more players would support Snyder than oppose.
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Are we seriously considering running off LHC Bill Snyder?
Dude has won 2 Big 12 championships and takes us to a bowl game 75% of the time.
He has generally been paid below market and chose not to move on to potentially greener pastures (UCLA).
I agree that I am not happy with this current team and it is significantly bigger than injuries (Hubener was in contention for the starting gig the whole time). I would mention that the last time Kansas State got shutout it was a couple years before a Strong National Title run in 1998.
My recommendations to LHC Bill Snyder would be to hire a new offensive coordinator and a new defensive coordinator or retire again. Collin Klein, Tyler Lockett and Ty Zimmerman made up for a lot of coaching deficiencies.
I am fine with Snyder staying on until Currie is gone but he needs to put more effort into hiring staff and recruiting players.
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Are we seriously considering running off LHC LHC Bill Snyder?
Dude has won 2 Big 12 championships and takes us to a bowl game 75% of the time.
He has generally been paid below market and chose not to move on to potentially greener pastures (UCLA).
I agree that I am not happy with this current team and it is significantly bigger than injuries (Hubener was in contention for the starting gig the whole time). I would mention that the last time Kansas State got shutout it was a couple years before a Strong National Title run in 1998.
My recommendations to LHC LHC Bill Snyder would be to hire a new offensive coordinator and a new defensive coordinator or retire again. Collin Klein, Tyler Lockett and Ty Zimmerman made up for a lot of coaching deficiencies.
I am fine with Snyder staying on until Currie is gone but he needs to put more effort into hiring staff and recruiting players.
I think coordinators would be fine if you surround them with some more recruiters. Hell Coordinators won a championship a couple of years ago.
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There's also no reason why that in year 6 of Snyder II that we're even discussing the lack of talent. The talent should be at its pinnacle!
agreed. In regards to 2001, who would they have put on the field that didn't get PT? Serious question, I'm struggling to recall names off the top of my head. The WR corps was terrible, I remember that. The defense had double digit numbers make the NFL so I'm not sure there was an issue there. Offensively the only thing we did well was run the ball but we struggled with it against several good teams because other than OU Roberson really struggled as a passer. And again, the receivers were probably the worst group we've had in recent memory, until this year of course.
Lockett got sketti brained against USC, and I remember Brandon Clark was a primary target.
Was Davin Dennis around then? I can't remember. It felt like was around for seven or eight years.
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Recruiting is much better now, compared to our good years on the field. We sucked at recruiting during the Colin years and we're paying for it now.
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Recruiting is much better now, compared to our good years on the field. We sucked at recruiting during the Colin years and we're paying for it now.
Yes Coleman has made Georgia into what Florida was in the early days of Bill 1.0, but we are only seeing it in Duke right now.
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Are we seriously considering running off LHC Bill Snyder?
Dude has won 2 Big 12 championships and takes us to a bowl game 75% of the time.
He has generally been paid below market and chose not to move on to potentially greener pastures (UCLA).
I agree that I am not happy with this current team and it is significantly bigger than injuries (Hubener was in contention for the starting gig the whole time). I would mention that the last time Kansas State got shutout it was a couple years before a Strong National Title run in 1998.
My recommendations to LHC Bill Snyder would be to hire a new offensive coordinator and a new defensive coordinator or retire again. Collin Klein, Tyler Lockett and Ty Zimmerman made up for a lot of coaching deficiencies.
I am fine with Snyder staying on until Currie is gone but he needs to put more effort into hiring staff and recruiting players.
Why are you talking about stuff from 15 years ago? Either way he's not going to fire his assistants without quitting. Also what assistant coach do you think will come here and will work for a 73 year old man who could retire any second now?
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There's also no reason why that in year 6 of Snyder II that we're even discussing the lack of talent. The talent should be at its pinnacle!
agreed. In regards to 2001, who would they have put on the field that didn't get PT? Serious question, I'm struggling to recall names off the top of my head. The WR corps was terrible, I remember that. The defense had double digit numbers make the NFL so I'm not sure there was an issue there. Offensively the only thing we did well was run the ball but we struggled with it against several good teams because other than OU Roberson really struggled as a passer. And again, the receivers were probably the worst group we've had in recent memory, until this year of course.
Lockett got sketti brained against USC, and I remember Brandon Clark was a primary target.
Was Davin Dennis around then? I can't remember. It felt like was around for seven or eight years.
would have been his true freshman year. It was also the year we burned Taco Wallace's RS for 1 play vs A&M. The guys I remember getting the majority of the snaps were Lockett, Clark and Ricky Lloyd.
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Recruiting is much better now, compared to our good years on the field. We sucked at recruiting during the Colin years and we're paying for it now.
It was so embarrassingly bad.
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dax can you go post the names of who said what? Just for posterity and whatnot.
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I have never met a 73 year old that was capable of doing a job effectively, and coaching a football team is a very hard job. Unless Bill and Currie can find someone willing to be the coach in waiting and run the team while Bill is the figure head, then Bill needs to retire.
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I have never met a 73 year old that was capable of doing a job effectively, and coaching a football team is a very hard job. Unless Bill and Currie can find someone willing to be the coach in waiting and run the team while Bill is the figure head, then Bill needs to retire.
He's 76. I probably won't be doing much more than watching tv and reading when I'm that age. Can't imagine why anyone would want to have a stressful job at that age.
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I have never met a 73 year old that was capable of doing a job effectively, and coaching a football team is a very hard job. Unless Bill and Currie can find someone willing to be the coach in waiting and run the team while Bill is the figure head, then Bill needs to retire.
I'm nearly as old as Bill, there is no way he can concentrate and function close to what he could at even 65, and the rate of decline accelerates with each passing year.
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I have never met a 73 year old that was capable of doing a job effectively, and coaching a football team is a very hard job. Unless Bill and Currie can find someone willing to be the coach in waiting and run the team while Bill is the figure head, then Bill needs to retire.
I'm nearly as old as Bill, there is no way he can concentrate and function close to what he could at even 65, and the rate of decline accelerates with each passing year.
GTFOOH with that age crap! You rough ridin' bigot! :curse:
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