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Title: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: Pete on October 17, 2015, 05:17:57 PM
Obviously the score makes it look like we are dog crap.  Accurate?
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: CHONGS on October 17, 2015, 05:18:43 PM
worse
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: spacedog on October 17, 2015, 05:19:53 PM
looking like dog crap would be a remarkable improvement.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: wetwillie on October 17, 2015, 05:20:33 PM
How was the food?
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: Pete on October 17, 2015, 05:22:01 PM

How was the food?

Good.  Went to Blanc and pigged out on a burger while watching the Royals. Price is tough though.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on October 17, 2015, 05:23:36 PM
Probably the worst I've ever seen a K-State team look.  I honestly can't remember a worse game in twenty years of watching.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: CNS on October 17, 2015, 05:24:55 PM
oscar is so mumped.

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Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: CHONGS on October 17, 2015, 05:27:27 PM
doubtful
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: chum1 on October 17, 2015, 05:28:36 PM
Saying it was worse is no exaggeration. It was a blowout immediately. We could do nothing and they did whatever they wanted with ease.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on October 17, 2015, 05:31:58 PM
I would say Snyder needs to follow Spurrier's lead but there's no one around to takeover.  :frown:
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: Panjandrum on October 17, 2015, 05:33:25 PM
Dog crap on fire, Pete.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: CHONGS on October 17, 2015, 05:34:37 PM
Saying it was worse is no exaggeration. It was a blowout immediately. We could do nothing and they did whatever they wanted with ease.
Yes, the game was essentially over with the first OU play from scrimmage.  It was pretty clear then that we would never stop them on defense.  The staff then panicked and went into the spray the ball all over the field mode.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: slackcat on October 17, 2015, 05:35:50 PM
Bill,

The golden years are calling.

sincerely,
Sunset Manor
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: catastrophe on October 17, 2015, 05:36:09 PM
Worse without question. Offense looks hopeless and OU's offense has literally scored whenever it wanted to. Bob clearly keeping the score lower than it could be on purpose.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on October 17, 2015, 05:37:27 PM
Realistically, KU would have beaten us today. That's not an emotional, meltdown hyperbole either. I watched both games and KU looked better
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: CHONGS on October 17, 2015, 05:37:41 PM
I know we get upset with the passing, but I really do think a lot of this comes from our coaches knowing our defense is horrible.  The only chance we have is to be aggressive passing, we can't win a low scoring game because we will never be in one.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: Panjandrum on October 17, 2015, 05:43:47 PM
I know we get upset with the passing, but I really do think a lot of this comes from our coaches knowing our defense is horrible.  The only chance we have is to be aggressive passing, we can't win a low scoring game because we will never be in one.

I think I'm upset that we could find a way to score on TCU and OSU, but this is a different level of bad.  Being this inept was a little unexpected.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: catastrophe on October 17, 2015, 05:43:50 PM

I know we get upset with the passing, but I really do think a lot of this comes from our coaches knowing our defense is horrible.  The only chance we have is to be aggressive passing, we can't win a low scoring game because we will never be in one.

I dunno. Our strategy has ALWAYS been to counter high powered offense with ball control. Why we stopped doing that is hard to explain. I do wish we could keep a defensive leader healthy for a whole season, but I think the offense put pressure on the defense in this case and not vice versa.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: OK_Cat on October 17, 2015, 05:47:45 PM
KU will beat us
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: CHONGS on October 17, 2015, 05:48:50 PM
Well the defense has been garbage for three and a half straight games.  The offense, while not good, has played well above expectations until today.  The constant has been a bad defense, that's why I blame that unit first and foremost.

The whole team is very bad though.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 17, 2015, 05:52:56 PM
Probably the worst I've ever seen a K-State team look.  I honestly can't remember a worse game in twenty years of watching.

Those games against Nebraska during the prince years were pretty bad. Comparable, at least.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: michigancat on October 17, 2015, 09:31:45 PM
Probably the worst I've ever seen a K-State team look.  I honestly can't remember a worse game in twenty years of watching.

Those games against Nebraska during the prince years were pretty bad. Comparable, at least.
No this was far worse than any game under Prince.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: pvegs on October 17, 2015, 09:38:37 PM
Probably the worst I've ever seen a K-State team look.  I honestly can't remember a worse game in twenty years of watching.

Those games against Nebraska during the prince years were pretty bad. Comparable, at least.
No this was far worse than any game under Prince.

This was the worst home shutout loss in the history of Kansas State University football. The game was so bad it is not prone to hyperbole: it is inarguably one of the worst losses in the 120 years of the program.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 17, 2015, 09:44:41 PM
I was at the K. J-Dub said "Bud, Cats are down 14-0" but in my mind's eye I saw us getting some points and imagined J-Dub saying "woah, we're up 21-17 3rd quarter". Anyways I checked the score myself like 10 minutes later and it was 45-0  :frown:
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: pvegs on October 17, 2015, 09:49:16 PM
Oh and Shelley, Prewett and Lee all got hurt.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: CHONGS on October 17, 2015, 09:55:50 PM
Probably the worst I've ever seen a K-State team look.  I honestly can't remember a worse game in twenty years of watching.

Those games against Nebraska during the prince years were pretty bad. Comparable, at least.
No this was far worse than any game under Prince.
Funny how people exaggerate the Prince era solely to to protect Bill.

They easily forget that game against Nebraska on Thursday night when our defense got destroyed as bad or worse than any Prince era team.

Well funny in the sense that they are lying to themselves.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 17, 2015, 09:59:08 PM
Probably the worst I've ever seen a K-State team look.  I honestly can't remember a worse game in twenty years of watching.

Those games against Nebraska during the prince years were pretty bad. Comparable, at least.
No this was far worse than any game under Prince.
Funny how people exaggerate the Prince era solely to to protect Bill.

They easily forget that game against Nebraska on Thursday night when our defense got destroyed as bad or worse than any Prince era team.

Well funny in the sense that they are lying to themselves.

I had similar conversations last year when I told people the 14-15 basketball team was worse than pretty much every wooly team
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: kso_FAN on October 17, 2015, 10:16:24 PM
Looks bad. I don't plan to watch anything or read anything about this game.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on October 17, 2015, 10:34:26 PM
 
Looks bad. I don't plan to watch anything or read anything about this game.

It was so comically bad that you didn't even really have a chance to get emotional about it.  It's just kinda like "well, we're rough ridin' terrible  :dunno:".
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: puniraptor on October 17, 2015, 10:34:55 PM
As bad as I have ever seen
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: Cire on October 17, 2015, 10:37:04 PM
Defense had no chance. 
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: Cire on October 17, 2015, 10:37:26 PM
Offense was the worst I've ever seen
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: A-Lishious on October 17, 2015, 10:42:08 PM
Oh I'm sorry, did you guys start confusing yourselves with a team that hasn't tasted the sweet flavor of victory gravy yet this season?! Oh, I apologize for your wizard genius coach after twenty five franking years finally succumbing to the throes of hoof and mouth induced dementia, not unlike what a certain program has been addicted to for the past five years.

This pity party sucks. You guys can Frank your faces. I am goddamn KU football fan and every Saturday for like a billion years I lace up my arms and shoot up needles full of self loathing and burning pain.

You guys knew this was coming and you didn't appreciate every moment that child soul sacrificing agent of the Dark One gave you... Damn you you for forcing me into this post.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: Cire on October 17, 2015, 10:46:13 PM
Baker Mayfield looked like taylor Martinez
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on October 17, 2015, 10:49:46 PM
Our best linebacker got knocked out of the game by an undersized wide receiver.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: Cire on October 17, 2015, 10:49:54 PM
Cook should/will be the qb from here on out.

Burton should have had 3tds on long pass plays
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: The Big Train on October 17, 2015, 10:58:09 PM
Oh I'm sorry, did you guys start confusing yourselves with a team that hasn't tasted the sweet flavor of victory gravy yet this season?! Oh, I apologize for your wizard genius coach after twenty five franking years finally succumbing to the throes of hoof and mouth induced dementia, not unlike what a certain program has been addicted to for the past five years.

This pity party sucks. You guys can Frank your faces. I am goddamn KU football fan and every Saturday for like a billion years I lace up my arms and shoot up needles full of self loathing and burning pain.

You guys knew this was coming and you didn't appreciate every moment that child soul sacrificing agent of the Dark One gave you... Damn you you for forcing me into this post.

nobody is gonna read this garbage, i sure as crap didnt
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: renocat on October 17, 2015, 11:01:43 PM
Dog crap on fire, Pete.
Dog crap sandwich with turnips on stale buns from a bomb shelter.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: catastrophe on October 17, 2015, 11:26:32 PM

Looks bad. I don't plan to watch anything or read anything about this game.

It was so comically bad that you didn't even really have a chance to get emotional about it.  It's just kinda like "well, we're rough ridin' terrible  :dunno:".

This. I actually appreciated the change of pace from the last couple weeks.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 18, 2015, 10:16:00 AM
i just looked at the stats. like 500 yards to 100.  :frown:
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on October 18, 2015, 10:18:34 AM
i just looked at the stats. like 500 yards to 100.  :frown:

That's crazy.I had no idea we got up to a hundred yards. It definitely didn't seem like we did.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2015, 10:37:21 AM
They would have beat an nfl team after getting throttled by texas, we just ran into a buzz saw.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: catastrophe on October 18, 2015, 10:52:11 AM

They would have beat an nfl team after getting throttled by texas, we just ran into a buzz saw.

We ran into a buzz saw with a blindfold on. I've tried to rationalize the losses so far, but the common thread running through all of them is inexplicable coaching decisions. If we had a good game plan yesterday we probably still would have lost, but we would have at least looked like a P5 team and not some FCS pud that gets $700k for showing up.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: MIZMAW on October 18, 2015, 10:58:38 AM

They would have beat an nfl team after getting throttled by texas, we just ran into a buzz saw.

We ran into a buzz saw with a blindfold on. I've tried to rationalize the losses so far, but the common thread running through all of them is inexplicable coaching decisions. If we had a good game plan yesterday we probably still would have lost, but we would have at least looked like a P5 team and not some FCS pud that gets $700k for showing up.
There is a very predictable formula in college football if you pay attention.  KSU lost last minute heart breakers in back to back games coming into this week against a really good team.  They were going to get crushed.

Texas did the same thing against Cal, Oklahoma State, and TCU.  They turned around and whipped up Oklahoma.  The Cats will be fine.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 18, 2015, 11:10:11 AM

They would have beat an nfl team after getting throttled by texas, we just ran into a buzz saw.

We ran into a buzz saw with a blindfold on. I've tried to rationalize the losses so far, but the common thread running through all of them is inexplicable coaching decisions. If we had a good game plan yesterday we probably still would have lost, but we would have at least looked like a P5 team and not some FCS pud that gets $700k for showing up.
There is a very predictable formula in college football if you pay attention.  KSU lost last minute heart breakers in back to back games coming into this week against a really good team.  They were going to get crushed.

Texas did the same thing against Cal, Oklahoma State, and TCU.  They turned around and whipped up Oklahoma.  The Cats will be fine.

no, probably not
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: The Big Train on October 18, 2015, 11:40:41 AM
what the eff is wrong with some of you?  We will be fine? Did you even watch the rough ridin' game, jfc.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: catastrophe on October 18, 2015, 12:05:00 PM

They would have beat an nfl team after getting throttled by texas, we just ran into a buzz saw.

We ran into a buzz saw with a blindfold on. I've tried to rationalize the losses so far, but the common thread running through all of them is inexplicable coaching decisions. If we had a good game plan yesterday we probably still would have lost, but we would have at least looked like a P5 team and not some FCS pud that gets $700k for showing up.
There is a very predictable formula in college football if you pay attention.  KSU lost last minute heart breakers in back to back games coming into this week against a really good team.  They were going to get crushed.

Texas did the same thing against Cal, Oklahoma State, and TCU.  They turned around and whipped up Oklahoma.  The Cats will be fine.

Like I said, it's not surprising at all that we lost to OU.  What is surprising is that almost no one (people in the know, former players, former coaches, casual fans, Bill himself, etc.) has any explanation for some of the coaching decisions that have been made the last few weeks.  OU struggled stopping the run, we successfully ran the ball for most of the TCU game, our receivers are terrible, and our QB has a sub-.500 completion percentage.  So we come out and throw all passes our first 2-3 drives?

We CAN be fine, but something significant has to change in planning and preparation both on offense and defense.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2015, 12:34:08 PM
Cook should/will be the qb from here on out.

Burton should have had 3tds on long pass plays

The blue hairs around were furious with Burton "not running it out" on both plays like it was his fault they overthrew him by 10 yards.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: joda on October 18, 2015, 01:14:34 PM
Cook should/will be the qb from here on out.

Burton should have had 3tds on long pass plays

The blue hairs around were furious with Burton "not running it out" on both plays like it was his fault they overthrew him by 10 yards.

I didn't watch after the first quarter so I can't comment on the others, but the first wide open deep miss was clearly on Burton. He looked like an outfielder watching like it was an obvious home run only to have it land in front of the warning track.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2015, 01:30:16 PM
Cook should/will be the qb from here on out.

Burton should have had 3tds on long pass plays

The blue hairs around were furious with Burton "not running it out" on both plays like it was his fault they overthrew him by 10 yards.

I didn't watch after the first quarter so I can't comment on the others, but the first wide open deep miss was clearly on Burton. He looked like an outfielder watching like it was an obvious home run only to have it land in front of the warning track.

So you watched on TV? That ball was overthrown by a mile, he stumbled trying to speed up, but even if he did he wasn't catching that ball. The overthrow was acceptable simply because it was the first deep throw and Hubener was throwing with the wind. He's been playing QB for like 20 minutes it wasn't an easy throw.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: joda on October 18, 2015, 01:40:34 PM
Cook should/will be the qb from here on out.

Burton should have had 3tds on long pass plays

The blue hairs around were furious with Burton "not running it out" on both plays like it was his fault they overthrew him by 10 yards.

I didn't watch after the first quarter so I can't comment on the others, but the first wide open deep miss was clearly on Burton. He looked like an outfielder watching like it was an obvious home run only to have it land in front of the warning track.

So you watched on TV? That ball was overthrown by a mile, he stumbled trying to speed up, but even if he did he wasn't catching that ball. The overthrow was acceptable simply because it was the first deep throw and Hubener was throwing with the wind. He's been playing QB for like 20 minutes it wasn't an easy throw.

It might have been overthrown anyway, but Burton had pulled up long before he could tell where the ball was going. He got past the defense then slowed down and started looking for the ball. By the time he found it and tried to speed up again he had no shot.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: DQ12 on October 18, 2015, 02:11:03 PM
very discouraging game for sure.  i stopped watching at 28-0.  i can't imagine why anyone would want to subject themselves to watching the last 2.5 quarters of that game.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: Perry on October 18, 2015, 02:48:39 PM
very discouraging game for sure.  i stopped watching at 28-0.  i can't imagine why anyone would want to subject themselves to watching the last 2.5 quarters of that game.

I was watching to see if the not-getting-shutout streak lived  :flush:
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: MakeItRain on October 18, 2015, 03:07:12 PM
Cook should/will be the qb from here on out.

Burton should have had 3tds on long pass plays

The blue hairs around were furious with Burton "not running it out" on both plays like it was his fault they overthrew him by 10 yards.

I didn't watch after the first quarter so I can't comment on the others, but the first wide open deep miss was clearly on Burton. He looked like an outfielder watching like it was an obvious home run only to have it land in front of the warning track.

So you watched on TV? That ball was overthrown by a mile, he stumbled trying to speed up, but even if he did he wasn't catching that ball. The overthrow was acceptable simply because it was the first deep throw and Hubener was throwing with the wind. He's been playing QB for like 20 minutes it wasn't an easy throw.

It might have been overthrown anyway, but Burton had pulled up long before he could tell where the ball was going. He got past the defense then slowed down and started looking for the ball. By the time he found it and tried to speed up again he had no shot.

Yeah man trying to find the ball is part of running 50 yards down field. Do you expect the guys to run sprinters speed and never look up for the ball and just expect it to magically appear in their arms? The ball was overthrown, Burton did part of his job by getting open, he wasn't allowed to do the second part of his job.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: joda on October 18, 2015, 04:51:14 PM
Cook should/will be the qb from here on out.

Burton should have had 3tds on long pass plays

The blue hairs around were furious with Burton "not running it out" on both plays like it was his fault they overthrew him by 10 yards.

I didn't watch after the first quarter so I can't comment on the others, but the first wide open deep miss was clearly on Burton. He looked like an outfielder watching like it was an obvious home run only to have it land in front of the warning track.

So you watched on TV? That ball was overthrown by a mile, he stumbled trying to speed up, but even if he did he wasn't catching that ball. The overthrow was acceptable simply because it was the first deep throw and Hubener was throwing with the wind. He's been playing QB for like 20 minutes it wasn't an easy throw.

It might have been overthrown anyway, but Burton had pulled up long before he could tell where the ball was going. He got past the defense then slowed down and started looking for the ball. By the time he found it and tried to speed up again he had no shot.

Yeah man trying to find the ball is part of running 50 yards down field. Do you expect the guys to run sprinters speed and never look up for the ball and just expect it to magically appear in their arms? The ball was overthrown, Burton did part of his job by getting open, he wasn't allowed to do the second part of his job.

I'm not sure we're talking about the same play because he was only about 15-20 yards past the line of scrimmage and just stopped running about the same instant the ball was thrown. Like I said, he played it like an OF who thought it was a HR only to have it drop before the warning track.

I expect a wide receiver to keep running their route while looking for the ball not stop so the QB who isn't accurate in the first place would have to be psychic to know where he's going to be.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: EMAWforever on October 19, 2015, 09:08:42 AM
Cook should/will be the qb from here on out.

Burton should have had 3tds on long pass plays

The blue hairs around were furious with Burton "not running it out" on both plays like it was his fault they overthrew him by 10 yards.

I didn't watch after the first quarter so I can't comment on the others, but the first wide open deep miss was clearly on Burton. He looked like an outfielder watching like it was an obvious home run only to have it land in front of the warning track.

So you watched on TV? That ball was overthrown by a mile, he stumbled trying to speed up, but even if he did he wasn't catching that ball. The overthrow was acceptable simply because it was the first deep throw and Hubener was throwing with the wind. He's been playing QB for like 20 minutes it wasn't an easy throw.

It might have been overthrown anyway, but Burton had pulled up long before he could tell where the ball was going. He got past the defense then slowed down and started looking for the ball. By the time he found it and tried to speed up again he had no shot.

Yeah man trying to find the ball is part of running 50 yards down field. Do you expect the guys to run sprinters speed and never look up for the ball and just expect it to magically appear in their arms? The ball was overthrown, Burton did part of his job by getting open, he wasn't allowed to do the second part of his job.

I'm not sure we're talking about the same play because he was only about 15-20 yards past the line of scrimmage and just stopped running about the same instant the ball was thrown. Like I said, he played it like an OF who thought it was a HR only to have it drop before the warning track.

I expect a wide receiver to keep running their route while looking for the ball not stop so the QB who isn't accurate in the first place would have to be psychic to know where he's going to be.
He absolutely stopped running downfield.  I don't think he knew what to do being open like that. He probably would have dropped  it anyway.  That's the difference between good teams and bad teams.  If that play is connected for a touchdown, it is a different game.  Hubes would have had confidence, Stoops wouldn't be able to just suck everybody up to the line of scrimmage, but it confirmed that we can't connect deep routes, so there is no reason not to crowd the line of scrimmage on defense.
Title: Re: Didn't even watch, was it worse or better than score?
Post by: dmartin on October 19, 2015, 09:29:51 AM
I'm sad to say it was the first time I've ever left a game early. 

And i've stayed until the end at blowouts of Iowa State in the rain and snow.