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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: massofcatfan on October 15, 2015, 07:27:16 AM
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After several years at a job with good evaluations and feedback but no promotions/raises I asked if my employer would consider one at this time. (I did not demand a raise or "give me promotion or I quit" but just made the case.) They told me how wonderful I am and then closed the door and started laughing (OK I just made the second part up.) So I've decided to leave, my question is when other employees ask why I'm leaving what do tell them? Some generic "time to move on" line? The truth?
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four simple words
no room for growth
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pursue other opportunities
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flip a bat on the way out
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Tell them it's none of their rough ridin' business and be mean about it so they never ask anyone that question again
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Are you going to find another job first? If so, you can tell them that you found somewhere that you think will give you better opportunities.
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If the bosses ask you, you should tell them the hard truth.
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make sure you burn bridges whatever you do
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Sounds like you should have been better prepared when you asked for a raise. You should probably just say "better opportunity" if you leave.
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I am a hiring agent with my organization, which basically means I do lots of the interviewing. I am always glad to hear when someone tells me they are looking for opportunities to grow and advance, and that is a reason for a job change. I know I work hard at relationship building with my staff, so I am fine with them telling me the reasons they are staying here and the reasons they are moving on. The same goes for me with prospective employees. If you are open and honest but not derogatory or even whiny about your current position, I have no problem with you telling me why you are looking to change jobs during an interview.
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when i quit my job, i told my direct supervisor that i was leaving and why. she was very understanding.
be prepared to answer "where are you going?" or "what are you gonna do next?" because just about everyone i had ever talked to asked me that question. half of them actually cared, the rest were being nosy and wanted to know if the grass was greener somewhere else. i decided to say "ill tell everyone on my last day. right now im focusing on getting my job done here for the next 2 weeks." im not sure that was a great decision because then rumors started about me going to competitors and what not... but whatever. people love to talk.
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Generic to the coworkers, truth to boss, keep the emotion out of it. They may have a higher position and fat salary for you in the future.
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when i quit my job, i told my direct supervisor that i was leaving and why. she was very understanding.
be prepared to answer "where are you going?" or "what are you gonna do next?" because just about everyone i had ever talked to asked me that question. half of them actually cared, the rest were being nosy and wanted to know if the grass was greener somewhere else. i decided to say "ill tell everyone on my last day. right now im focusing on getting my job done here for the next 2 weeks." im not sure that was a great decision because then rumors started about me going to competitors and what not... but whatever. people love to talk.
Were you going to a competitor? Seems like a lot of industries, a competitor is your only choice....
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when i quit my job, i told my direct supervisor that i was leaving and why. she was very understanding.
be prepared to answer "where are you going?" or "what are you gonna do next?" because just about everyone i had ever talked to asked me that question. half of them actually cared, the rest were being nosy and wanted to know if the grass was greener somewhere else. i decided to say "ill tell everyone on my last day. right now im focusing on getting my job done here for the next 2 weeks." im not sure that was a great decision because then rumors started about me going to competitors and what not... but whatever. people love to talk.
Were you going to a competitor? Seems like a lot of industries, a competitor is your only choice....
nope.
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Generic to the coworkers, truth to boss, keep the emotion out of it. They may have a higher position and fat salary for you in the future.
Unlikely if he's been there several years without a raise and then gets told no when he finally asks for one.
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when i quit my job, i told my direct supervisor that i was leaving and why. she was very understanding.
be prepared to answer "where are you going?" or "what are you gonna do next?" because just about everyone i had ever talked to asked me that question. half of them actually cared, the rest were being nosy and wanted to know if the grass was greener somewhere else. i decided to say "ill tell everyone on my last day. right now im focusing on getting my job done here for the next 2 weeks." im not sure that was a great decision because then rumors started about me going to competitors and what not... but whatever. people love to talk.
Telling my last boss why I didn't like working for him (in a professional manner of course) is one of the most satisfying moments of my life
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i decided to say "ill tell everyone on my last day. right now im focusing on getting my job done here for the next 2 weeks."
:lol:
what a weirdo
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when i quit my job, i told my direct supervisor that i was leaving and why. she was very understanding.
be prepared to answer "where are you going?" or "what are you gonna do next?" because just about everyone i had ever talked to asked me that question. half of them actually cared, the rest were being nosy and wanted to know if the grass was greener somewhere else. i decided to say "ill tell everyone on my last day. right now im focusing on getting my job done here for the next 2 weeks." im not sure that was a great decision because then rumors started about me going to competitors and what not... but whatever. people love to talk.
Telling my last boss why I didn't like working for him (in a professional manner of course) is one of the most satisfying moments of my life
What did you say? I am wondering how I would tell my boss in a professional manner that he is a micromanager (of technical details when he isn't a technical person) and bitches about the most trivial things (like the color of a line on a chart).
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Tell them you need a new challenge.
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I told him that micromanaging led to an environment where I didn't feel I was respected or trusted to do my job. He thanked me for being honest and said he knows that's something he needs to work on to be a better manager.
Last week Dr Laura said the way to deal with a micromanaging boss is to ask them a million questions a day about the tiniest details and eventually they will get the picture
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Tell them you're getting out before the feds show up.
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I told them: "Where do I start......."
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I'd tell them I worked there for a few years and never got a raise. There really isn't a reason to not be specific.
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what did they actually say when you asked for a raise?
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what did they actually say when you asked for a raise?
that I am fantastic and if I stick around and work hard maybe at some mystery date in the future good things will happen
edit: good things MAY happen
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Tell them you're getting out before the feds show up.
thanks for all the input. so far I am liking this advice best :fatty:
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what did they actually say when you asked for a raise?
that I am fantastic and if I stick around and work hard maybe at some mystery date in the future good things will happen
They really think you are a sucker. I mean, if they didn't at least tell you that they would love to give you a raise, but it just isn't in the budget right now then they don't think you are going anywhere.
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what did they actually say when you asked for a raise?
that I am fantastic and if I stick around and work hard maybe at some mystery date in the future good things will happen
i mean I'd probably tell you the same thing if you just randomly said hey guys would you like to pay me more.
do they know you are frustrated and thinking about leaving? Do you really want to leave or are you just frustrated that they didn't seem to take your request seriously? will it be easy for you to find a job doing the same thing somewhere else? Are you currently paid fairly? What do you do? Where do you live? I have so many questions.
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what did they actually say when you asked for a raise?
that I am fantastic and if I stick around and work hard maybe at some mystery date in the future good things will happen
i mean I'd probably tell you the same thing if you just randomly said hey guys would you like to pay me more.
do they know you are frustrated and thinking about leaving? Do you really want to leave or are you just frustrated that they didn't seem to take your request seriously? will it be easy for you to find a job doing the same thing somewhere else? Are you currently paid fairly? What do you do? Where do you live? I have so many questions.
Wow, that's a lot to think about. I didn't just randomly say "a raise would be nice" but I also didn't say "pay me or I quit and burn you to the ground"
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Are you going to find another job first? If so, you can tell them that you found somewhere that you think will give you better opportunities.
a) this would probably be very wise
b) no
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definitely find another job before you quit this one, that should go without saying but here i am saying it
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How did you ask for a raise? Do you produce revenue that justifies a raise? Are other people in the company receiving raises? Are you underpaid relative to competitors in your region and industry?
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I would assume that any sane person would find another job first, but I have seen some situations where this did not occur.
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At my annual reviews and career development things, I specifically ask my manager to list the things I must do to get x raise. Then in a year, when I have done those things, it's pretty clear. And then you either get the raise or the they give you the CNS sucker line.
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If I ever have to leave my employer, I will probably post a long, rambling explanation on the front page of goEMAW and then call into 1350 The Game and the 91.9 sports show to explain myself.
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what did they actually say when you asked for a raise?
that I am fantastic and if I stick around and work hard maybe at some mystery date in the future good things will happen
i mean I'd probably tell you the same thing if you just randomly said hey guys would you like to pay me more.
do they know you are frustrated and thinking about leaving? Do you really want to leave or are you just frustrated that they didn't seem to take your request seriously? will it be easy for you to find a job doing the same thing somewhere else? Are you currently paid fairly? What do you do? Where do you live? I have so many questions.
Wow, that's a lot to think about.
After you've thought about it all, post the answers.
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I would assume that any sane person would find another job first, but I have seen some situations where this did not occur.
I know several who do not. I shake my head.
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I would assume that any sane person would find another job first, but I have seen some situations where this did not occur.
I know several who do not. I shake my head.
what's their level of education?
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I would assume that any sane person would find another job first, but I have seen some situations where this did not occur.
I know several who do not. I shake my head.
what's their level of education?
Most of the folks with whom I work have at least a BA or BS, and several have Masters degrees. A few of these fall into that category. Some of my friends that fit in this situation are high school grads.
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never quit an existing job w/o another job waiting on you
10th grade clams once quit a job at wal-mart shoe dept, reason i listed for leaving on their exit paperwork was "i'm cashed"
the manager, patrick, didn't understand. i was like, this job sucks man.
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:lol:
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:lol:
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It's perfectly acceptable to leave without a job if you can afford it. My work has had a ton of people doing that lately.
Side note, today's my last day at the current job, and I'm going to use a mixture of honesty and goodwill at my exit interview. :-)
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It's perfectly acceptable to leave without a job if you can afford it. My work has had a ton of people doing that lately.
Side note, today's my last day at the current job, and I'm going to use a mixture of honesty and goodwill at my exit interview. :-)
you should do your best dax impression
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Oh my goodness. Dropping in some dax wtf demobait thread quotes would be so fun
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-Is there any feedback you can give us to operate more efficiently in the future?
-A windmill in every pot!
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I should make up witty disparaging nicknames for all the people I work with and use them over and over
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The longer the better, minimum of 5 words each
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The longer the better, minimum of 5 words each
That might become difficult to remember, depending on the number of people he works with.
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repurpose renocats bball squad nicknames please tia
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The longer the better, minimum of 5 words each
That might become difficult to remember, depending on the number of people he works with.
sad
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Tell your boss that he and most of the company are just a bunch of too-cool-for-schoolers and point out their hypocrisy in unfair ways. Tell him it's all . . . quite sad . . . really.
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tell them that the office feels like a German pillbox
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I should make up witty disparaging nicknames for all the people I work with and use them over and over
Just call every single person Captain
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"The reason I've chosen to disassociate myself..."
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Point out all of the ways your company contributes to the gentrification of San Francisco and tell them that displacing the poor is ok . . . as long as (insert company name here) is doing it.
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Point out all of the ways your company contributes to the gentrification of San Francisco and tell them that displacing the poor is ok . . . as long as (insert company name here) is doing it.
I can just say they're fine with it as long as there's a democrat in office
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Use all your vacation.
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"I'm leaving this itch manhattan crap hole to go to an undisclosed location somewhere outside little rock."
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call them "try hards"
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Kind of ironic thing happened today for me. A colleague asked if I could give him some time for a visit. So we met up a little while ago. He wanted to know how he should approach his supervisor about an opportunity outside of our organization that has come his way. He is happy with his current position, but this would mean more financial security for him and his wife and daughters. He is under contract until next August, but this job would start in January. We had a great conversation. Just made me think of this thread.
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honk honk
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honk honk
Thanks for pointing that out.
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After leaving, create a webcomic based on the ex boss's breathtakingly incompetent, chattyass, unfunny doof, racist, impossibly useless younger brother, and highlight what he actually accomplished at his older bro's company:
-absolutely nothing of value
-political conversation wrapped in horrible racism!
-printer support, involving asking others for help doing your own damn job
-bitching about flex accounts
-bitching about all the things!
-smoke breaks!
-receiving calls from companies wanting to provide educational box lunches, and then organizing those box lunches! Leadership eff yeah!
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My last job (small business, just 5 of us) I told the owner that I was putting him out of business, dropped my keys on his desk, and walked out. He went out of business about 6 months later. Feel kinda guilty.
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Surely it's not that difficult to find someone to take pictures at weddings
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Omg burn
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;)
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After leaving, create a webcomic based on the ex boss's breathtakingly incompetent, chattyass, unfunny doof, racist, impossibly useless younger brother, and highlight what he actually accomplished at his older bro's company:
-absolutely nothing of value
-political conversation wrapped in horrible racism!
-printer support, involving asking others for help doing your own damn job
-bitching about flex accounts
-bitching about all the things!
-smoke breaks!
-receiving calls from companies wanting to provide educational box lunches, and then organizing those box lunches! Leadership eff yeah!
link?
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One time I left a job by accident. I had accepted a position at another company, but they weren't going to have me start for another 2 months so I wanted to put in my two weeks a couple weeks later because I didn't feel like having a whole 2 months off (idle hands etc.). Then some other dumb company I had interviewed with (but I had already emailed saying I accepted another position) called my current boss for a reference. Anyways, I ended up with two months off :lol:
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i delivered pizzas one summer because i had always wanted to do it. Anyway i did it for about a month and then was kind of like "ok i did it, now I'm done." So i told somebody to tell the boss or whatever for me. Three weeks later i get a phone call from the boss person saying "uh daris, you're on the schedule to work tonight and i need you to come in". I'm like "i haven't worked in like a month and told someone to tell you a month ago i was done". He was like "oh um oh, but i still kind of need you. can you come in?". That place was godfathers pizza in Lawrence and they went out of business a year or so after that. i did not go in. Would have been to awkward/weird.
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Ya one time I was working a job (illegally I think because I was only 15?) and I just stopped showing up. It was a job working for a pool company. The work was just really inconsistent. Like some days I'd be in my swimsuit vaccumming some rich person's sweet ass pool. And then the next day I'd be pumping sludge and fishing dead possoms out of pools that people just let go to crap.
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i delivered pizzas one summer because i had always wanted to do it. Anyway i did it for about a month and then was kind of like "ok i did it, now I'm done." So i told somebody to tell the boss or whatever for me. Three weeks later i get a phone call from the boss person saying "uh daris, you're on the schedule to work tonight and i need you to come in". I'm like "i haven't worked in like a month and told someone to tell you a month ago i was done". He was like "oh um oh, but i still kind of need you. can you come in?". That place was godfathers pizza in Lawrence and they went out of business a year or so after that. i did not go in. Would have been to awkward/weird.
Rick, how many large sausage pizzas did you deliver to lonely housewives?
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i unexpectedly got a promotion today with zero pushing, so this thread hits close to home
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'grats 'bias
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gracias, 'lams. i'm now going to binge and watch the royals and skc like a proper adult
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i'm going to do the same sans binge, because i have more respect for myself than to poison my body with alcohol and/or drugs
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Tobias is an iroquois word for "bat flip"
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Maybe relevant
http://www.theonion.com/r/36177
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Maybe relevant
http://www.theonion.com/r/36177
How did they get my picture?
Well, have decided not to quit without first finding other job. :Yuck: Thanks goemawer's for the practical advice.
Should have plenty of time for message-boarding in the meantime.
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Some don't
Don't crap in your trash can.
Don't call your old boss an inverted ahole.
Don't do a butt cheek potrait on the copier machine.
Don't put a dead skunk in the employee lounge fridge.
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Sound advice. Per usual.
Gonna win 'em all!
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Some don't
Don't crap in your trash can.
Don't call your old boss an inverted ahole.
Don't do a butt cheek potrait on the copier machine.
Don't put a dead skunk in the employee lounge fridge.
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Here's the scenario: I've turned in my notice at my current job, but I can technically still get my last semesters grad classes reimbursed through the company tuition reimbursement program before I leave. Is it stupid and petty to turn the tuition reimbursement form in for the $2500 when I'm leaving in a few weeks?
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Here's the scenario: I've turned in my notice at my current job, but I can technically still get my last semesters grad classes reimbursed through the company tuition reimbursement program before I leave. Is it stupid and petty to turn the tuition reimbursement form in for the $2500 when I'm leaving in a few weeks?
Probably.
I can't believe that your company doesn't have a clause that requires you to pay the tuition back to them in the event that you leave within a couple of years.
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Here's the scenario: I've turned in my notice at my current job, but I can technically still get my last semesters grad classes reimbursed through the company tuition reimbursement program before I leave. Is it stupid and petty to turn the tuition reimbursement form in for the $2500 when I'm leaving in a few weeks?
Probably.
I can't believe that your company doesn't have a clause that requires you to pay the tuition back to them in the event that you leave within a couple of years.
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Yeah, it's stupid on their part to not have something like that if you jump ship right after getting tuition reimbursement, but oh well. Guess I'll suck it up and not turn the form in
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Here's the scenario: I've turned in my notice at my current job, but I can technically still get my last semesters grad classes reimbursed through the company tuition reimbursement program before I leave. Is it stupid and petty to turn the tuition reimbursement form in for the $2500 when I'm leaving in a few weeks?
I'd turn it in, but I would feel awkward about it if you have to actually hand it to a person who knows you are leaving.
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Why didn't you wait to turn in your notice?
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Why didn't you wait to turn in your notice?
Yeah, Ideally you should have turned in the reimbursement request before the notice.
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ok, I think I got this, here's what you do. go tell them that you actually had a change of heart and are staying with the company, do this asap. Turn in your tuition reimbursement tomorrow morning. Come back Monday and say, sorry guys but I got to follow my gut.
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2500 is a drop in the bucket for a guy that just leveraged a fat pay increase into a bigger increase from a new employer. Just move on with your life.
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2500 is a drop in the bucket for your company. Turn it in. You have an obligation to your family to get dat money!
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2500 is a drop in the bucket for your company. Turn it in. You have an obligation to your family to get dat money!
I would do this, feel bad about it until lunch time, drink your lunch, then :billdance: from there on.
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2500 is a drop in the bucket for your company. Turn it in. You have an obligation to your family to get dat money!
I would do this, feel bad about it until lunch time, drink your lunch, then :billdance: from there on.
Yeah, the $2500 obviously means more to me than to my company, but I just feel like tool doing it, maybe I can justify it by the fact that I'm not getting last year's annual bonus because I'm quitting before it gets paid out.
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2500 is a drop in the bucket for your company. Turn it in. You have an obligation to your family to get dat money!
I would do this, feel bad about it until lunch time, drink your lunch, then :billdance: from there on.
Yeah, the $2500 obviously means more to me than to my company, but I just feel like tool doing it, maybe I can justify it by the fact that I'm not getting last year's annual bonus because I'm quitting before it gets paid out.
Then def do it. My last gig had a bonus rule about being eligible for last year's bonus as long as you are still employed by the new year(jan 1st). I quit on Jan 4th and never got my bonus. Fuckers.
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Edit: my job is usually pretty good but sometimes the field assignments are unbelievably shitty i.e. this week
Here is a Zillow map of recently sold listings in the area:
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So yeah...
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2500 is a drop in the bucket for your company. Turn it in. You have an obligation to your family to get dat money!
I would do this, feel bad about it until lunch time, drink your lunch, then :billdance: from there on.
Yeah, the $2500 obviously means more to me than to my company, but I just feel like tool doing it, maybe I can justify it by the fact that I'm not getting last year's annual bonus because I'm quitting before it gets paid out.
Then def do it. My last gig had a bonus rule about being eligible for last year's bonus as long as you are still employed by the new year(jan 1st). I quit on Jan 4th and never got my bonus. Fuckers.
Well that's illegal.
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$200 for a house, this I gotta see!
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$200 for a house, this I gotta see!
Probably looked a lot like this!
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Buy all those houses, insure them, burn them down, profit
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That $200 house is currently an empty lot according to Google Earth, so yeah they probably did!
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I would buy any house that costs less than an Xbox, regardless of how shitty it is, as long as the purchase includes the land it sits on.
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A $200 house would require a lot of investment to get to where it could be inhabited, most likely. Would also cost quite a bit to demo and haul off. Then you have to worry about what happens on the lot and your liability.
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A $200 house would require a lot of investment to get to where it could be inhabited, most likely. Would also cost quite a bit to demo and haul off. Then you have to worry about what happens on the lot and your liability.
Makes me wonder why there's so many homeless ppl there. They make that much $200 there in a day.
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They are already living there, probs, for free.
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:thumbs:
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They are already living there, probs, for free.
Only until the house gets bought for $200 and bulldozed.
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A $200 house would require a lot of investment to get to where it could be inhabited, most likely. Would also cost quite a bit to demo and haul off. Then you have to worry about what happens on the lot and your liability.
LLC bro!
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They are already living there, probs, for free.
Oh yeah. Probably 30% of the homes were foreclosed, but lots had signs of people living there
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stay safe, 8mp. we have work to do on Saturday.
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2500 is a drop in the bucket for your company. Turn it in. You have an obligation to your family to get dat money!
I would do this, feel bad about it until lunch time, drink your lunch, then :billdance: from there on.
Yeah, the $2500 obviously means more to me than to my company, but I just feel like tool doing it, maybe I can justify it by the fact that I'm not getting last year's annual bonus because I'm quitting before it gets paid out.
Then def do it. My last gig had a bonus rule about being eligible for last year's bonus as long as you are still employed by the new year(jan 1st). I quit on Jan 4th and never got my bonus. Fuckers.
Well that's illegal.
Not really. He has a contract beef since he was still there on the 1st. But I would be willing to be they have a clause about being with the company at the time of payout.
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2500 is a drop in the bucket for your company. Turn it in. You have an obligation to your family to get dat money!
I would do this, feel bad about it until lunch time, drink your lunch, then :billdance: from there on.
Yeah, the $2500 obviously means more to me than to my company, but I just feel like tool doing it, maybe I can justify it by the fact that I'm not getting last year's annual bonus because I'm quitting before it gets paid out.
Then def do it. My last gig had a bonus rule about being eligible for last year's bonus as long as you are still employed by the new year(jan 1st). I quit on Jan 4th and never got my bonus. Fuckers.
Well that's illegal.
Not really. He has a contract beef since he was still there on the 1st. But I would be willing to be they have a clause about being with the company at the time of payout.
Whatever is written in the company handbook, they have to stick to that.
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Here's the scenario: I've turned in my notice at my current job, but I can technically still get my last semesters grad classes reimbursed through the company tuition reimbursement program before I leave. Is it stupid and petty to turn the tuition reimbursement form in for the $2500 when I'm leaving in a few weeks?
an important rule when you leave a company is to do what you can not to burn bridges. especially so if you're at a point earlier in your career, which i'm guessing you are as we're discussing tuition from your graduate classes. the idea behind tuition reimbursement is that your continued education is mutually beneficial to both yourself and the company you work for. in your example, the only one benefitting from the education that you received and that they are helping pay for, is yourself.
you never know when in the future you're going to run into someone from your current company and you don't know everyone that the people you currently work with know.
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I think you instinctively know the right answer to this question immediately and you can be talked in to the other side. I would go with your first instinct on this.
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So I asked my manager, and proposed it as I wasn't going to turn the tuition reimbursement form in and she said I should. That it was for school that I did while I was working at the company and that she didn't think anybody would really care :dunno:
Also I found out I get my bonus for 2015!!
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Good news on both!
Her reasoning on the school coverage is stupid, though, so it's probably good that you are leaving if that is who they employ as managers.
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So I asked my manager, and proposed it as I wasn't going to turn the tuition reimbursement form in and she said I should. That it was for school that I did while I was working at the company and that she didn't think anybody would really care :dunno:
Also I found out I get my bonus for 2015!!
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that's pretty great, 'grats
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clams is very good at giving this type of advice
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clams is very good at giving this type of advice
He's very wise for a 19 year old.
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Here's the scenario: I've turned in my notice at my current job, but I can technically still get my last semesters grad classes reimbursed through the company tuition reimbursement program before I leave. Is it stupid and petty to turn the tuition reimbursement form in for the $2500 when I'm leaving in a few weeks?
nah, thats what all those high premiums are for