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Please list the things you liked and didn't like from our game against Louisiana Tech in this thread.
Likes:
-winning in 3OTs (jfc, we got really lucky)
-cantele (ya know, it takes some stones to go through what he did and then hit clutch kicks yesterday)
-Lee (I guess I have to put him here, he had some big plays down the stretch)
-Silmon getting more touches than Jones
-Less Dimel (although he managed to Winston it up at the goal line)
Not Likes:
-Tackling (apparently not one of the 16 fundamentals)
-the goddamn Wildcat formation (need to add more wrinkles than just jones to the left for -3 and Jones to the right for -2, yes we scored on it, but it has become worthless)
-would it be that tough to mix in a screen?
-DB's (I think i'm just pissed at the 3rd and longs we gave up and am choosing to blame this group)
-Our offense inside the 10yd line
Not Sure:
-WR's (ya, ya, I know, they had some good catches, but JFC, if we catch half the 5yd out patterns we drop, we might not have needed 3OTs. we are entirely too inconsistent and we don't have a playmaker at QB to make up for the drops we have)
-Hubes (I think he is going to turn it over come big 12 play)
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My guy, Kody Cook appears to be a competent receiver.
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Likes:
Heath most of the time.
QB throwing some great passes that were caught.
The win
Cantele doing what he used to do for us.
Silmon on the outside
Lee
Not Likes:
Heath's bad decision on the punt.
Receivers missing good passes.
Run defense
Pass defense
Red zone offense
Offensive line getting pushed around
Take the win and move on. Two weeks to prepare for the Cowboys.
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Likes:
We won
Jack C
Dislikes:
Just about everything else.
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Likes: no halftime fellatio
Dislikes: concession stand credit card reading machines.
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Likes: no halftime fellatio
Dislikes: concession stand credit card reading machines.
Straight cash, homey. :kstategrad:
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I put Bazooka Joe firmly under the likes.
After watching Mizzou's shitshow of a QB situation with Maty Maulk and Drew Lock, I'm pretty happy where he is after start three.
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I dunno. Just because our QB isn't a disease infested whore doesn't make him a saint.
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Likes
Lee
Bitb tweeting that they should stop letting people leave at halftime
Dislikes
Play calling
Most everything else
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I'm going to blame some of the drops on Bazooka Joe for the same reason why he can't throw a five yard out. Why does he only throw the ball incredibly hard, like every time, no matter the route? I love that he is so confident in his arm, but my god man mix in a change up.
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I'm going to blame some of the drops on Bazooka Joe for the same reason why he can't throw a five yard out. Why does he only throw the ball incredibly hard, like every time, no matter the route? I love that he is so confident in his arm, but my god man mix in a change up.
Early in the game he lofted a 5-10 yard out over to KSU's sideline that would have been picked off by a better/faster corner.
I'm firmly in the he doesn't throw or run very well camp. So it magnifies both deficiencies. If he did one well, I wouldn't hate him as much. Silmon emerging will make him look a lot better as well.
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I'm going to blame some of the drops on Bazooka Joe for the same reason why he can't throw a five yard out. Why does he only throw the ball incredibly hard, like every time, no matter the route? I love that he is so confident in his arm, but my god man mix in a change up.
Early in the game he lofted a 5-10 yard out over to KSU's sideline that would have been picked off by a better/faster corner.
I'm firmly in the he doesn't throw or run very well camp. So it magnifies both deficiencies. If he did one well, I wouldn't hate him as much. Silmon emerging will make him look a lot better as well.
I think you are unreasonably hard on 'zooka, imo
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Likes:
Lee - the man is a beast. It would prob hurt so I wouldn't enjoy it very much, but I think I'd let him have his way with me.
Heath - the punt return that gave us a chance to win. And that great catch in OT1.
Cook - I don't care how much you interfere, I'm gonna catch the mother effing ball.
Hubener - showed up huge in OT.
Silmon - I know he's not elite, but he sure looks like it compared to Jones.
Dislikes:
Heath - the WTF negative 30-yd punt return.
Play calling - I swear I'm going to absolutely lose my crap if we run the stupid wildcat five-plus times per game.
Play calling - hmmm, we're gaining yards handing off to Silmon... let's start calling a bunch of pass plays.
Play calling - that two point conversion attempt. We deserved to lose based on that.
Play calling - general red zone WTF calls
Play calling - why do we keep handing off to Dimel? He's not an RB.
Play calling - I want to keep listing these, but I'm getting too depressed and need to stop here.
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Likes: Lee, Cantele, Cook, Skip Holtz accepting the chop block penalty instead of taking 4th & 2, Silmon getting 24 carries
Dislikes: The muffed punt, Wildcat formation
Snyder was directly asked about the Wildcat during the postgame presser. He acknowledged that running out of it is not working and hinted at the fact that Jones was supposed to throw it. I wonder how much of it is poor play design and how much is just the team not executing the play as it is called. Either way, until they can get things fixed in practice they need to get rid of it.
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we haven't thrown out of the wildcat in years, they haven't even looked to throw it, that quote by Bill doesn't make any sense
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we haven't thrown out of the wildcat in years, they haven't even looked to throw it, that quote by Bill doesn't make any sense
He has dementia, its it's re sad
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The Wildcat should be reserved for backup QBs that can run. Like Delton (if he's healthy) or Banks. Or Bazooka if Ertz wasn't hurt.
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He should just rename it to HB draw so teams don't get confused
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My guess is that 1 or 2 of the plays yesterday were run/pass options and Jones never threw it. I'd have to rewatch to see if any of the TEs released, but it sounds like Jones is just ignoring the pass option part of the play.
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Likes:
- Winning
- Elijah Lee
Dislikes:
- Ultra conservative play calling after 1) the late 4th quarter fumble recovery (looked like coaching staff was just playing for a field goal) and 2) the La Tech punt with under two minutes to go (at first I wondered why Holtz punted, but realized he knew we would run it up the gut three times and could stop that).
- Red zone play calling all game long
- Dropped passes
- No Warmack
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Likes: 3-0 with lots of motivation to work through the BYE week.
Defense is for real. If our offense could actually score and put some pressure on, defense would look even better.
In hindsight, 3OT games are always fun to watch, just sad in this case given the competition.
Dislikes: dropped passes :curse:
Use of wildcat formation.
For being good overall, our D should have been able to force a turnover by now.
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More:
I really like Willis's play yesterday; he went into beast mode and took over the game. Our d line is legit.
I dislike Joe's running ability. He just doesn't have it.
I dislike McDaniel's play yesterday; his worst game as a wildcat IMO.
I like Britz's play yesterday, but why the hell did he not try to block the game tying field goal? It looked like he took a couple of those plays off, which is not like him. (Maybe we need to give Hood a series or two.)
Kleinsorge had a very unlikeable game yesterday. I hope Stiverson is back for OSU; could Johnson move over and take Kleinsorge's spot? I think Johnson has been pretty ok.
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Likes:
D-Line looked incredible once they buckled down.
Donnie Starks started to show flashes.
Burton played well.
Dislikes:
Missing Dante. Nate Jackson can't fill his shoes. Kendal Adams can't fill Nate Jackson shoes.
Hubs like of wiggle, he can't really run the ball.
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Wildcat should only be used when we have a QB who can kind of do receiver-ish things and a RB who can kind of do QB-ish things and you can break a normal-personnel huddle mid-drive w/your QB splitting out and you RB behind center and freak the defense out for a play.
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Likes:
- Winning
- Elijah Lee
Dislikes:
- Ultra conservative play calling after 1) the late 4th quarter fumble recovery (looked like coaching staff was just playing for a field goal) and 2) the La Tech punt with under two minutes to go (at first I wondered why Holtz punted, but realized he knew we would run it up the gut three times and could stop that).
- Red zone play calling all game long
- Dropped passes
- No Warmack
This sums up my feelings.
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Wildcat should only be used when we have a QB who can kind of do receiver-ish things and a RB who can kind of do QB-ish things and you can break a normal-personnel huddle mid-drive w/your QB splitting out and you RB behind center and freak the defense out for a play.
I kind of get using it in the red zone since it saves you from an extra exchange (see Hubes-Dimel). Still, if we can't show we are capable of a throw or even a jet sweep or something out of the formation, it won't be a benefit. There is no reason for a defense not to just stack the box at this point.
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Wildcat should only be used when we have a QB who can kind of do receiver-ish things and a RB who can kind of do QB-ish things and you can break a normal-personnel huddle mid-drive w/your QB splitting out and you RB behind center and freak the defense out for a play.
I kind of get using it in the red zone since it saves you from an extra exchange (see Hubes-Dimel). Still, if we can't show we are capable of a throw or even a jet sweep or something out of the formation, it won't be a benefit. There is no reason for a defense not to just stack the box at this point.
The dreaded extra exchange could be prevented by lining up normally with a quarterback in shotgun and running back offset and having the RB take the snap directly, with the bonus of weird'n out the D a little.
Wildcat should be a trick play potential thing where you break it out 1-3 times per game and if the defense isn't prep'd your RB throws it or if they are your RB runs it himself and hopes to get a hole or an extra block because a defender is trying to figure out what to do with the QB who conceivably could run downfield and catch a ball.
It was 7 years ago that the Dolphins f'd everyone's world with it routinely. It's over.
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i find it amusing that announcers act like its the first time they have ever seen the wildcat, every single time we run it. pretty good belly laugh.
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the wildcat works for the same reason the qb draw works, you get an extra blocker. our problem is not the play itself but the fact that we suck ass at run blocking and lose the extra blocker advantage.
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the wildcat works for the same reason the qb draw works, you get an extra blocker. our problem is not the play itself but the fact that we suck ass at run blocking and lose the extra blocker advantage.
But our "the wildcat" - with a RB taking the snap and Bazooka standing over w/the ref - is slightly worse b/c it's a 100% attempted penetration into the box (chill, tracz).
QB draws are fine but for our QB selection of late.
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Likes: Lee, Cantele, Cook, Skip Holtz accepting the chop block penalty instead of taking 4th & 2, Silmon getting 24 carries
Dislikes: The muffed punt, Wildcat formation
Snyder was directly asked about the Wildcat during the postgame presser. He acknowledged that running out of it is not working and hinted at the fact that Jones was supposed to throw it. I wonder how much of it is poor play design and how much is just the team not executing the play as it is called. Either way, until they can get things fixed in practice they need to get rid of it.
This should probably have his own thread but I thought Skip Holtz made the right decision in taking that penalty. Our offense was completely stuck. The TD in the first OT was as much as a hail mary as you can have in the red zone, total luck. We did nothing in the 2nd OT and at that point did nothing in the 3rd OT. If that trend continued we would have been forced into a 50 yard FG attempt into the wind.
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Likes: Lee, Cantele, Cook, Skip Holtz accepting the chop block penalty instead of taking 4th & 2, Silmon getting 24 carries
Dislikes: The muffed punt, Wildcat formation
Snyder was directly asked about the Wildcat during the postgame presser. He acknowledged that running out of it is not working and hinted at the fact that Jones was supposed to throw it. I wonder how much of it is poor play design and how much is just the team not executing the play as it is called. Either way, until they can get things fixed in practice they need to get rid of it.
This should probably have his own thread but I thought Skip Holtz made the right decision in taking that penalty. Our offense was completely stuck. The TD in the first OT was as much as a hail mary as you can have in the red zone, total luck. We did nothing in the 2nd OT and at that point did nothing in the 3rd OT. If that trend continued we would have been forced into a 50 yard FG attempt into the wind.
yeah, i probably would have taken that penalty too. I think most coaches would have done that. I mean, I like that he did in that it ended up being beneficial to us, but I don't think it was a bad call to take it.
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Dislikes:
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- No Warmack
Do we know why there was no Warmack?
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Dislikes:
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- No Warmack
Do we know why there was no Warmack?
http://www.kstatesports.com/sport/m-footbl/roster#/2015/Coaches/tile
Ctrl-F Warmack
0 of 0
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Like: The hustle Don't like: the execution.
https://twitter.com/SBNation/status/645327254357180416
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Dislikes:
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- No Warmack
Do we know why there was no Warmack?
http://www.kstatesports.com/sport/m-footbl/roster#/2015/Coaches/tile
Ctrl-F Warmack
0 of 0
Yeah, he's not a coach. He shows up if you click players.
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Dislikes:
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- No Warmack
Do we know why there was no Warmack?
http://www.kstatesports.com/sport/m-footbl/roster#/2015/Coaches/tile
Ctrl-F Warmack
0 of 0
er, you gotta switch to the players tab there bud...
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once our DEs sealed the edge and stayed in front of driskel i feel like our D played much better.
hopefully we make that adjustment against whatever B12 scrambling QBs there are out there.
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Yeah, he's not a coach. He shows up if you click players.
er, you gotta switch to the players tab there bud...
It was a "search" for Warmack's dad, yard dogs.
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:lol:
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oh :lol:
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- No Warmack
Do we know why there was no Warmack?
Because he is not better than Silmon.
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Do we know why there was no Warmack?
Because he is not better than Silmon.
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Is he better than or equal to Jones, Dimel, Gronk? because they all get plenty of carries.
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I'll add one to the likes: improvement on penalties. Sure we got that chop block in the 3 OT (that we made not matter) but still, 4 penalties for 35 yards. Compare that to 9 for 85 vs. UTSA and 8 for 70 against South Dakota, significant improvement there. Definitely cleaned up a lot of those stupid false starts.
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Like: The hustle Don't like: the execution.
https://twitter.com/SBNation/status/645327254357180416
I like Starks. I'm not smart enough to know how good he is overall, but he likes to lay the wood, so I like him for that.
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Yeah but all he did was drill Elijah in the back. :frown:
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Yeah but all he did was drill Elijah in the back. :frown:
True. I was speaking more in general terms, not sure what he was doing there.
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once our DEs sealed the edge and stayed in front of driskel i feel like our D played much better.
hopefully we make that adjustment against whatever B12 scrambling QBs there are out there.
The adjustment was replacing Willis with Tanner Wood. Willis kept getting sucked in and was too slow to keep contain. Wood came in and shut it down.
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Yeah but all he did was drill Elijah in the back. :frown:
True. I was speaking more in general terms, not sure what he was doing there.
Moving the pile is what he was doing. Just look at how the forward momentum stops as soon as he makes contact releasing all that kinetic energy. :love:
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Prewett giving up the backside the QB on 4th down for the score was really bad, especially when you know the QB is a run threat.
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Yeah but all he did was drill Elijah in the back. :frown:
True. I was speaking more in general terms, not sure what he was doing there.
Moving the pile is what he was doing. Just look at how the forward momentum stops as soon as he makes contact releasing all that kinetic energy. :love:
He was very lucky not to draw a very stupid penalty on that. Luckily the ref went up and told him not to be a dumbass instead of throwing the flag.
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Yeah but all he did was drill Elijah in the back. :frown:
True. I was speaking more in general terms, not sure what he was doing there.
Moving the pile is what he was doing. Just look at how the forward momentum stops as soon as he makes contact releasing all that kinetic energy. :love:
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Definitely cleaned up a lot of those stupid false starts.
Home game tho
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http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2015/9/23/9372661/kansas-state-score-stats-recap
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Maybe I'm looking at this wrong but it seems like they are giving LTU's missed FG more weight than #FamilyFullback's fumble inside of the 5 yard line.