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Obama says liberal college students should not be ‘coddled.’ Are we really surprised?
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By Janell Ross September 15 at 5:13 PM
North High School student body president Russhaun Johnson hugs President Obama as he introduces him at a town hall with high school juniors, seniors and their parents at the school in Des Moines on Monday. (AP Photo/Andrew Harnik)
Speaking at an education town hall in Des Moines on Monday, President Obama said something that some people apparently find surprising.
In response to an audience question about GOP presidential contender Ben Carson's call for the Department of Education to withhold federal funding from colleges that exhibit "extreme political bias," Obama told the crowd he wasn't sure what the candidate meant. But then Obama said some things about political correctness and about inviting non-liberal and even offensive viewpoints on to campus.
[Everything is political these days, even commencement speeches]
This is the heart of what Obama said:
"I’ve heard of some college campuses where they don’t want to have a guest speaker who is too conservative, or they don’t want to read a book if it had language that is offensive to African Americans or somehow sends a demeaning signal towards women,” Obama said Monday while speaking at a town hall meeting at North High School in Des Moines. “I’ve got to tell you, I don’t agree with that either -- that you when you become students at colleges, you have to be coddled and protected from different points of view. Anybody who comes to speak to you and you disagree with, you should have an argument with them, but you shouldn’t silence them by saying you can’t come because I’m too sensitive to hear what you have to say.
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Can't disagree with the quote, but I am just going to assume somebody misquoted him.
(I want to provide an ednaksu type starting point)
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Why would I spin his quote? Insomuch as what he said, he's right. He could have also mentioned those asinine "trigger warnings" - in addition to censorship - but I'll cut him some slack because he was speaking off the cuff.
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The Bait worked! Welcome back to the pit ksuw, I've missed you more than words can express :cheers:
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What's a trigger warning?
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Oh boy, you're gonna hate trigger warnings 8mp
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A conservative Rembrandt. Welcome back ksuw. There will be some liberal gonad grapes made into kick butt potent Republican wine.
Obama did not say his ideas are wrong. He said youthies have to use there own brains and try to convince backward prairie dog eaters from Renoland that they should eat tofu and abandoned God and Reganamerican values.
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What's a trigger warning?
These are trigger warnings. Enjoy. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/)
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One of the problems with treating college students like children is that they start behaving like children (or maybe this is a Chicken-Egg thing). See, for example, http://kfor.com/2015/09/04/texas-student-rides-barbie-jeep-around-campus-after-dwi-arrest/ (http://kfor.com/2015/09/04/texas-student-rides-barbie-jeep-around-campus-after-dwi-arrest/)
Rather than being instantly shamed, this eternal adolescent was largely lauded in the Twitterverse. And why did this dumbass start driving a pink Barbie car around campus after losing her license to DUI? Because "Riding a bike around campus sucks,” she told MySA.com. “Like really sucks." Like, totally. And don't even get her started with walking. Did it ever occur to this dumbshit that this is going to be the first result on Google whenever she applies for a job?
The answer is to kick these dumbshits out of school or not admit them in the first place, but universities largely stopped being about academic advancement long ago. They are businesses. As long as she (her parents) pays her tuition, and as long as she avoids those microagressions, she's good to go.
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good job POTUS!
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If I had an argument with every person with whom I disagree I could probably spend every hour of every day on this message board arguing with some of you. I just choose to ignore much of the nonsense I believe some of you (and me) go on and on about.
That being said, I really appreciate that he said that to college students. That is a good message to all adults.
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What's a trigger warning?
These are trigger warnings. Enjoy. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/)
Ugh... Soft, coddled cunts can't handle anything.
One distasteful joke will forever brand someone as misogynistic, racist or homophobic, regardless of intent.
An offhand comment about a woman's appearance and you may as well be a rapist.
Trophies for last place, and if you were offended you have a right to legal action...'merica 2015
crap like this is why Trump has a real chance and a real appeal with a large segment of America.
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Another area Obama didn't address is the proliferation of sexual assault allegations on college campuses due to university feminists' toxic brew of (ironically) encouraging greater promiscuity, while at the same time twisting the definitions of "consent" and "sexual assault" in absurd ways, and removing any vestiges of due process for the accused.
Or as Hillary Clinton recently said, “To every survivor of sexual assault…You have the right to be heard. You have the right to be believed. We’re with you.” A right to be believed?!
Has "Affirmative Consent" or "Yes Means Yes" made it's way to K-State yet? http://www.syracuse.com/state/index.ssf/2015/07/can_i_put_my_hand_there_new_york_law_changes_the_rules_of_the_college_hook-up.html (http://www.syracuse.com/state/index.ssf/2015/07/can_i_put_my_hand_there_new_york_law_changes_the_rules_of_the_college_hook-up.html)
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Oh boy, you're gonna hate trigger warnings 8mp
You're right I really do.
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Nothing Hillary said is wrong
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“I’ve got to tell you, I don’t agree with that either -- that you when you become students at colleges, you have to be coddled and protected from different points of view. Anybody who comes to speak to you and you disagree with, you should have an argument with them, but you shouldn’t silence them by saying you can’t come because I’m too sensitive to hear what you have to say. Also, you should just sit there and listen and probably take notes when a speaker comes to tell you about how my administration has helped create the widest wealth gap in post World War II America, with the one percenters now controlling more money and more overall assets then ever before. You thought I was going to get them, didn't you?"
Part of the quote was left off.
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He's back :excited:
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I rough ridin' hate super political correctness and the coddling that has occurred. If you can't see other point of views or things that you don't agree/believe, how can you grow as a person? You are only going to see or believe what you have seen or agree with. It rough ridin' drives me nuts. The whole Jayhawk eating a dick backlash over something that simple is just a microcosm of the bigger issues we have. The fact that Twitter and social media having such a big impact on it all is also something I rough ridin' hate.
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The jayhawk dick thing could have been an episode of black mirror
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The jayhawk dick thing could have been an episode of black mirror
I had never heard of this but after a quick summary I'm gonna check it out :thumbs:
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Oh man you're in for a treat
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“I’ve got to tell you, I don’t agree with that either -- that you when you become students at colleges, you have to be coddled and protected from different points of view. Anybody who comes to speak to you and you disagree with, you should have an argument with them, but you shouldn’t silence them by saying you can’t come because I’m too sensitive to hear what you have to say. Also, you should just sit there and listen and probably take notes when a speaker comes to tell you about how my administration has helped create the widest wealth gap in post World War II America, with the one percenters now controlling more money and more overall assets then ever before. You thought I was going to get them, didn't you?"
Part of the quote was left off.
i've looked all over the google but can't find the added part. source?
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Google lies
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It's always the most entertaining when the liberal loons in academia eat their own. Is there a bigger circular firing squad than the campus PC brigade? Is there anything that can be said/done that isn't "offensive" to someone else? http://eagnews.org/black-student-admits-hanging-white-only-black-only-signs-near-school-bathrooms-water-fountains/ (http://eagnews.org/black-student-admits-hanging-white-only-black-only-signs-near-school-bathrooms-water-fountains/)
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good job POTUS!
yes.
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Nothing Hillary said is wrong
incorrect. ksuw is right, putative victims do not have a right to be believed. they have a right to have allegations seriously and fairly considered.
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She said victims, not accusers
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She said victims, not accusers
you can't extend a right to be believed to victims, but not accusers without first sorting them into victims and not proven to be victims. the process of sorting them, by definition, means that you do not immediately extend (formal) belief to any of them.
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Victims have already been separated. I would accept that she was redundant, but not incorrect.
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The jayhawk dick thing could have been an episode of black mirror
we didn't get to see john currie eff a pig on live television tho
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Victims have already been separated. I would accept that she was redundant, but not incorrect.
more like meaningless (according to your interpretation of what she meant, which i think is fairly obviously incorrect). by the time accusers have been separated into victims and not proven to be victims, the legal process is over. there is no further governmental role in which belief or non-belief of their accounts has any relevance.
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I did not interpret this as a statement on governmental process, but rather public opinion
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Victims have already been separated. I would accept that she was redundant, but not incorrect.
more like meaningless (according to your interpretation of what she meant, which i think is fairly obviously incorrect). by the time accusers have been separated into victims and not proven to be victims, the legal process is over. there is no further governmental role in which belief or non-belief of their accounts has any relevance.
Thank you sys for sorting out the dumbassery. It's like a full time job over here.
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I did not interpret this as a statement on governmental process, but rather public opinion
each member of the public is free to believe or not believe anything or anyone they choose. so clearly, no one has a right to be believed by the public.
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That's an interesting take. I didn't specifically connect "right" with any governmental right (for lack of better phrasing). I took "right" in more of a deserve context.
As in a rewording of "you should be heard and people should believe you".
I will also agree the statement is meaningless, like most political statements
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Ksuw points out double standards on a campus. It was assumed a Kkk wannabe put up the signs at Buffalo U. What happens to the kid who did this? It is liberal nut college leaders stirring the crap into the cockpit stew. Read today where Yale wants kids to use gender nuetral pronouns to describe themselves. No more he or she, just ze.
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Basically, she was saying people like ksuw, who don't believe in sexual assualt outside of violent rape and still deny sexual assault after someone has been proven guilty, well those people are assholes
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Basically, she was saying people like ksuw, who don't believe in sexual assualt outside of violent rape and still deny sexual assault after someone has been proven guilty, well those people are assholes
That's a mean thing to say. I don't believe that all. I do believe in due process. As sys points out, if she really meant "victims" in the legal sense, the comment was redundant and meaningless. You know full well that's not what she meant. She was talking about accusers.
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I know that's what you think, but I don't agree
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I know that's what you think, but I don't agree
If you actually think she was using the word "victim" in the legal sense, you are purposefully being dense. There is a rash of sexual assault allegations on college campuses. There is not a rash of people disbelieving rapes that have been adjudged to be rapes in a court of law. If you actually think that's a widespread thing (beyond, say, the rapist and his family) please point it out.
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And by the way, she didn't actually say "victim" - she said "survivor of sexual assualt." The point remains that she was clearly talking about alleged assualts. There's not a widespread issue of people disbelieving sexual assaults that have been adjudged in a court of law to have occurred. That's not what's happening on college campuses - these cases rarely even get to a court.
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if you believe that statement was aimed at all accusers, and included those that were false, then you are the one being deliberately dense (I prefer obtuse)
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if you believe that statement was aimed at all accusers, and included those that were false, then you are the one being deliberately dense (I prefer obtuse)
You're just really not getting this. If you're an accuser, it doesn't matter if you're telling the truth or not - you don't have the right to be believed.You have the right to due process, which includes a fair and thorough investigation, followed by a prosecution and trial if necessary.
You don't have the right to be believed until after a conviction. If that's all she was saying, there's no point in saying it. She was clearly talking about accusers - "you have the right to be heard..."
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Go home lib, you're drunk
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So you belive MG specifically meant to include false accusers as "survivors"?
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So you belive MG specifically meant to include false accusers as "survivors"?
Let's try this a different way. According to your theory of what Hillary really meant, she could have said: "Once it's been determined by a court of law that you've been raped, you have the right to be believed." That really seems like a pretty obvious point. Hardly worth making. But if that's what you really think she meant bud, knock yourself out.
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So you belive MG specifically meant to include false accusers as "survivors"?
Let's try this a different way. According to your theory of what Hillary really meant, she could have said: "Once it's been determined by a court of law that you've been raped, you have the right to be believed." That really seems like a pretty obvious point. Hardly worth making. But if that's what you really think she meant bud, knock yourself out.
answer the question
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To answer your question, I think she was speaking to all accusers. You don't know if someone is telling the truth until an investigation.
So, according to your theory, what Hillary really meant was: "If it turns out you've actually been raped, you totally have the right to be believed." Something tells me that wouldn't have garnered much applause.
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The kampus krazies strike again. Clemson University Apologizes "Maximum Mexican Food Fiesta" Promotion in Dining Hall. (http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=6873) Apparently every mexican restaurant in the country is perpetrating a hate crime.
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eff, there goes Taco Tuesday :curse:
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At this pace, the entertainment industry in all forms will completely write off performing at colleges, with certain exceptions, like anything that discusses how America is an awful place and that all Christians must die, for example.
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At this pace, the entertainment industry in all forms will completely write off performing at colleges, with certain exceptions, like anything that discusses how America is an awful place and that all Christians must die, for example.
So you're saying about 10% of the entertainment industry will stop performing at college campuses?
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Dave King
So they should change the name of hamburgers to something else. There is no ham in hamburgers but they are still called a hamburgers. Some religions don't eat ham so I'm sure someone will be offended. Don't act like you are not offended. I know I am. False advertising. There is no ham in a hamburger.
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At this pace, the entertainment industry in all forms will completely write off performing at colleges, with certain exceptions, like anything that discusses how America is an awful place and that all Christians must die, for example.
So you're saying about 10% of the entertainment industry will stop performing at college campuses?
Christians and americans are so persecuted by entertainment :frown:
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fake offendedness is the grossest part of liberals. i mean conservatives do it too, but about different stuff. it's just gross in general when anybody does it
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outrage about insincere outrage :love:
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Only thing better is outrage about lack of outrage of insincere outrage
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i mean i'm not outraged about it. just pointing out that it's a pretty gross look.
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Joe Tonelli
What OFFENDS me is that rainbow flag that signifys being gay , queer or whatever they call themselves.
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Dean Manning
The Amigos at the Mexican restaurant that I frequent don't seem to be offended when they place sombreros on the folks having a birthday, bring them a free fried ice cream and sing happy birthday to them in SPANISH!!! Or how about the fact that they have a section of the menu entitled "very Mexican???"
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Found JD's Facebook
Ben Pritchard
All food establisment across the US now have to stop TACO Tuesday? Your pathetic Clemson for apologizing for or even acknowleging the complaint.
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At this pace, the entertainment industry in all forms will completely write off performing at colleges, with certain exceptions, like anything that discusses how America is an awful place and that all Christians must die, for example.
So you're saying about 10% of the entertainment industry will stop performing at college campuses?
Christians and americans are so persecuted by entertainment :frown:
. . . and lib tries to throw something, anything up there to see if it sticks . . . nope.
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Dean Manning
The Amigos at the Mexican restaurant that I frequent don't seem to be offended when they place sombreros on the folks having a birthday, bring them a free fried ice cream and sing happy birthday to them in SPANISH!!! Or how about the fact that they have a section of the menu entitled "very Mexican???"
But deep inside, I'm sure they're VERY offended - they just gotta make a living, amiright?
I'm just glad this perverse desire to apologize for every single perceived slight, no matter how stupid or unjustified, hasn't infected our own fine university...
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Mexican Monday.
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I am outraged i've never heard of campusreform.org until today :curse: that place is amazing.
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Found JD's Facebook
Ben Pritchard
All food establisment across the US now have to stop TACO Tuesday? Your pathetic Clemson for apologizing for or even acknowleging the complaint.
Taco Tuesday is the most popular food day of the week.
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I wonder if ksuw would complain about an easter dinner where everyone dressed up as zombie jesus
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I wonder if ksuw would complain about an easter dinner where everyone dressed up as zombie jesus
would be appropriate on a good friday dinner or holy saturday brunch but not easter dinner imo
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It saddens me to know that the resident satanist libtards (lib7, mocat, michicat, teve ave, the other mindless tards) hate individual liberty so much. Supporting this perverse form of censorship and the banning of all guns is just some of the many examples of the deranged a belief system. Police state nazis, all of them. :cry:
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Wut
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It's also well documented that they hate personal property rights. Just sad the way they disregard and disdain our bargained for liberties. The genuine notion that certain of these several bargained for rights are more important (via prioritization) than others, is the scariest (hopefully just dumbest and most naive) thing I've seen posted over here. It's demonstrates how they perceive the police state progressing, by bargaining away liberties. Gross
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What does this have to do with taco tuesday?
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everything