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Title: Positives from the game
Post by: halfEmpty on September 08, 2015, 09:04:23 AM
They didn't burn a timeout because of an expiring play clock...

Anything else?
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: The1BigWillie on September 08, 2015, 09:05:24 AM
Umm... The other team didn't score. 
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: Unruly on September 08, 2015, 09:06:04 AM
WE WON!


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Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 09:10:51 AM
found out Bill Shattner is EMAW AF
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: AppleJack on September 08, 2015, 09:11:45 AM
One step closer to Delton
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: halfEmpty on September 08, 2015, 09:18:40 AM
Umm... The other team didn't score.

It was one of the most unimpressive shutouts I've ever seen, but agreed.  I thought the front played very well against the run with a couple of breakdowns on qb scrambles.  Would like to see more pressure (several qb hits, but just a step late too often).  Pass coverage in the LB zone needs improvement.  Secondary was their usual bend but don't break selves.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: TownieCat on September 08, 2015, 09:25:23 AM
Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: LynchMob42 on September 08, 2015, 09:52:48 AM
Umm... The other team didn't score.

It was one of the most unimpressive shutouts I've ever seen, but agreed.  I thought the front played very well against the run with a couple of breakdowns on qb scrambles.  Would like to see more pressure (several qb hits, but just a step late too often).  Pass coverage in the LB zone needs improvement.  Secondary was their usual bend but don't break selves.

E. Lee looked confused in coverage. Fortunately, he has the athleticism to close quickly, after the catch.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: Yard Dog on September 08, 2015, 09:54:42 AM
Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.

South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.

Positives:

1) Burning Delton's redshirt must mean that the staff really expects him to contribute this year and had no doubt in their minds he was going to play this season.

2) Even without DM-The Future and Barnett in the game our secondary looked pretty competent.

3) Our running game could be pretty flipping dynamic. . .which we haven't been able to say for a little while.

4) No drop off in our return game. Between Heath and Burns, we should have some solid field position's this year.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: steve dave on September 08, 2015, 10:09:53 AM
caught a foul ball
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: Steffy08 on September 08, 2015, 10:37:36 AM
Freshman center snapping to a freshman qb; leading receiver and rusher were freshman.  Young guys on defense looked good, too.

Future looks good.  I'm hoping Delton improves enough to be the better option this year at QB.  That would make the future look even better.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: meow meow on September 08, 2015, 10:47:36 AM
great stuff as always steffy
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: Steffy08 on September 08, 2015, 10:55:57 AM
great stuff as always steffy

Thanks, bud. 
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: MakeItRain on September 08, 2015, 01:52:40 PM
Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.

South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.

Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: slobber on September 08, 2015, 02:16:57 PM
MODS!!!:
Could we get a filter on Heath to correct to Wacky or Wackycat?


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Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 08, 2015, 02:29:02 PM
got pretty pak'd
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: puniraptor on September 08, 2015, 03:09:16 PM
Didn't get TOO pakd
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: Yard Dog on September 08, 2015, 03:42:22 PM
Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.

South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.

Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.

If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: MadCat on September 08, 2015, 03:44:08 PM
I enjoyed the failed double reverse and unusual spiking the ball on 3rd down plays by USD.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: puniraptor on September 08, 2015, 03:58:15 PM
i want to know more about the 3rd down spike. mind games?
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: dmartin on September 08, 2015, 04:01:22 PM
i want to know more about the 3rd down spike. mind games?

Showing KU how it's done?
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: WildcatNation on September 08, 2015, 04:09:40 PM
Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.

South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.

Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.

Not to mention, both field goal attempts were inches away from being blocked.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: yoEMAW on September 08, 2015, 08:10:15 PM
I know it happened very early on, but we did return the opening kickoff for 6 so that was neat.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: BackPayne on September 08, 2015, 08:14:22 PM
Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.

South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.

Positives:

1) Burning Delton's redshirt must mean that the staff really expects him to contribute this year and had no doubt in their minds he was going to play this season.

2) Even without DM-The Future and Barnett in the game our secondary looked pretty competent.

3) Our running game could be pretty flipping dynamic. . .which we haven't been able to say for a little while.

4) No drop off in our return game. Between Heath and Burns, we should have some solid field position's this year.

Dude, Delton was not red shirting. Banks is.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: AndrewVonLintel on September 08, 2015, 10:41:50 PM
Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.

South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.

Positives:

1) Burning Delton's redshirt must mean that the staff really expects him to contribute this year and had no doubt in their minds he was going to play this season.

2) Even without DM-The Future and Barnett in the game our secondary looked pretty competent.

3) Our running game could be pretty flipping dynamic. . .which we haven't been able to say for a little while.

4) No drop off in our return game. Between Heath and Burns, we should have some solid field position's this year.

Dude, Delton was not red shirting. Banks is.

It is possible they would have redshirted both.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: MakeItRain on September 08, 2015, 11:08:52 PM
Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.

South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.

Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.

If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.

Which brings me to my next point, how in your mind does the shutout hold less value when the team goes for it on fourth down? I'm guessing every shut out ever features a failed fourth down conversion or two.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: renocat on September 09, 2015, 12:09:06 AM
The running game and stud kicker.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: Yard Dog on September 09, 2015, 08:32:56 AM
Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.

South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.

Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.

If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.

Which brings me to my next point, how in your mind does the shutout hold less value when the team goes for it on fourth down? I'm guessing every shut out ever features a failed fourth down conversion or two.

:facepalm: because if it was about the shutout, south dakota could have easily gotten 3 later in the game. They had it on what, the twenty? But they went for it in an attempt to "win". I feel like a lot of teams kick there to get the zero off the board. It would be different if we had held them from even having an opportunity to score.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 09, 2015, 08:38:13 AM
Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.

South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.

Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.

If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.

Which brings me to my next point, how in your mind does the shutout hold less value when the team goes for it on fourth down? I'm guessing every shut out ever features a failed fourth down conversion or two.

:facepalm: because if it was about the shutout, south dakota could have easily gotten 3 later in the game. They had it on what, the twenty? But they went for it in an attempt to "win". I feel like a lot of teams kick there to get the zero off the board. It would be different if we had held them from even having an opportunity to score.

No team kicks there to get the zero off of the board.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: Yard Dog on September 09, 2015, 08:40:18 AM
Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.

South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.

Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.

If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.

Which brings me to my next point, how in your mind does the shutout hold less value when the team goes for it on fourth down? I'm guessing every shut out ever features a failed fourth down conversion or two.

:facepalm: because if it was about the shutout, south dakota could have easily gotten 3 later in the game. They had it on what, the twenty? But they went for it in an attempt to "win". I feel like a lot of teams kick there to get the zero off the board. It would be different if we had held them from even having an opportunity to score.

No team kicks there to get the zero off of the board.

You don't think Snyder would kick a field goal in the third if we were down 28-0?
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: Belvis Noland on September 09, 2015, 08:42:24 AM

:facepalm: because if it was about the shutout, south dakota could have easily gotten 3 later in the game. They had it on what, the twenty? But they went for it in an attempt to "win". I feel like a lot of teams kick there to get the zero off the board. It would be different if we had held them from even having an opportunity to score.

Man, our defense sucks ass.  we couldn't even hold the opponent from ever even having an opportunity to score!!
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: TownieCat on September 09, 2015, 08:42:28 AM
Belittling a shutout is some high level dumbassery. Good grief, Yard Dog...
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 09, 2015, 08:44:47 AM
Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.

South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.

Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.

If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.

Which brings me to my next point, how in your mind does the shutout hold less value when the team goes for it on fourth down? I'm guessing every shut out ever features a failed fourth down conversion or two.

:facepalm: because if it was about the shutout, south dakota could have easily gotten 3 later in the game. They had it on what, the twenty? But they went for it in an attempt to "win". I feel like a lot of teams kick there to get the zero off the board. It would be different if we had held them from even having an opportunity to score.

No team kicks there to get the zero off of the board.

You don't think Snyder would kick a field goal in the third if we were down 28-0?

No, only a dipshit would kick a field goal in the 3rd quarter down 28-0.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: That_Guy on September 09, 2015, 09:34:31 AM

Shutouts are impressive no matter who the opponent is or how it happened. The difference between giving up 3 and 0 is huge.

South Dakota easily could have had a few field goals but were "trying to win" so were going for touchdowns instead. So I am not taking nearly as much away from the shutout.

Yard dog, what the eff are you talking about? They were in field goal range twice in the first half and missed both field goals. They didn't start the four down territory stuff until they were down 27 points at the end of the 3rd quarter.

If I recall correctly, if you score in the third or fourth quarter it is no longer a shutout.

Which brings me to my next point, how in your mind does the shutout hold less value when the team goes for it on fourth down? I'm guessing every shut out ever features a failed fourth down conversion or two.

:facepalm: because if it was about the shutout, south dakota could have easily gotten 3 later in the game. They had it on what, the twenty? But they went for it in an attempt to "win". I feel like a lot of teams kick there to get the zero off the board. It would be different if we had held them from even having an opportunity to score.

No team kicks there to get the zero off of the board.

You don't think Snyder would kick a field goal in the third if we were down 28-0?

No, only a dipshit would kick a field goal in the 3rd quarter down 28-0.
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Title: Positives from the game
Post by: catastrophe on September 09, 2015, 10:08:44 AM
Well, TCU did do exactly that against us a couple years ago.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: Yard Dog on September 09, 2015, 10:52:33 AM
Well, TCU did do exactly that against us a couple years ago.

#blessed
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 09, 2015, 01:12:33 PM
Yard Dog, what do you think happens in most shut outs? Because I guarantee in almost all of them the scoreless team gets into field goal range late in the game and elects not to kick it.
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: Yard Dog on September 09, 2015, 01:29:03 PM
Yard Dog, what do you think happens in most shut outs? Because I guarantee in almost all of them the scoreless team gets into field goal range late in the game and elects not to kick it.


I'd think if this might be your only loss on the season the CFP committee might look more favorably at a game where you lost but scored 6 points than a game where you lost and scored no points.

I'd also think that if it was a rivalry game, you might kick a field goal so that your rival can't claim the shut out. 
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 09, 2015, 01:43:08 PM
Yard Dog, what do you think happens in most shut outs? Because I guarantee in almost all of them the scoreless team gets into field goal range late in the game and elects not to kick it.


I'd think if this might be your only loss on the season the CFP committee might look more favorably at a game where you lost but scored 6 points than a game where you lost and scored no points.

I'd also think that if it was a rivalry game, you might kick a field goal so that your rival can't claim the shut out. 

Except for you. You'd look at a team with a shutout loss and say, "well, they were in field goal range twice and elected not to kick a field goal. So, you know, not really a shut out".
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: Yard Dog on September 09, 2015, 02:57:39 PM
Yard Dog, what do you think happens in most shut outs? Because I guarantee in almost all of them the scoreless team gets into field goal range late in the game and elects not to kick it.


I'd think if this might be your only loss on the season the CFP committee might look more favorably at a game where you lost but scored 6 points than a game where you lost and scored no points.

I'd also think that if it was a rivalry game, you might kick a field goal so that your rival can't claim the shut out. 

Except for you. You'd look at a team with a shutout loss and say, "well, they were in field goal range twice and elected not to kick a field goal. So, you know, not really a shut out".

Well lucky for those teams that get a shutout that I wont have anything to do with that decision. It isn't very far fetched that a team would rather get points since the talking point is that no matter what level of sports shutouts are hard to come by. So they wouldn't have their name plastered with some embarrassingly rare event. 
Title: Re: Positives from the game
Post by: TownieCat on September 09, 2015, 04:40:10 PM
Yard Dog, what do you think happens in most shut outs? Because I guarantee in almost all of them the scoreless team gets into field goal range late in the game and elects not to kick it.


I'd think if this might be your only loss on the season the CFP committee might look more favorably at a game where you lost but scored 6 points than a game where you lost and scored no points.

I'd also think that if it was a rivalry game, you might kick a field goal so that your rival can't claim the shut out.

Not exactly the same thing, but this reminded me of the really ugly K-State/KU game in 2005 that we won 12-3. KU had a chance to kick a short FG in the last couple of minutes to cover the spread, but Mangino went for it on 4th down instead. Their donors were pissed and ours were  :kstategrad: