Post by: 8manpick on June 23, 2015, 07:58:32 AM
What does it mean to you? Was it ever relevant or true? On what grounds does American Exceptionalism stand? Is it still true today? If not, when did it die?
Discuss! Try not to make it about libs and pubs though.
Post by: steve dave on June 23, 2015, 08:01:52 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 08:20:30 AM
Personally, I obviously think it's an absurd concept (as it is widely used today).
Post by: 8manpick on June 23, 2015, 08:36:20 AM
Post by: ben ji on June 23, 2015, 08:40:06 AM
it was exceptionally lucky for early Europeans to stumble upon such an enormous resource rich land with so few people already on it. that was pretty exceptional. you can't do that anymore unless you blast your ass off to space.
Not until small pox.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2015, 08:55:08 AM
it was exceptionally lucky for early Europeans to stumble upon such an enormous resource rich land with so few people already on it. that was pretty exceptional. you can't do that anymore unless you blast your ass off to space.
Which is why things are so prosperous in South and Central America, too, right? "Because trade and natural resources!!!" - anybody remember this from a few threads ago? Still hilarious.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2015, 08:57:04 AM
It's turned into a witch hunt litmus test for a group of children who think that if you dare question our country's morals or motivations throughout history, you are a witch. It makes it extremely difficult to learn from your past when you're incapable of acknowledging your mistakes.
Personally, I obviously think it's an absurd concept (as it is widely used today).
American Exceptionalism has absolutely nothing to do with refusing to acknowledge past mistakes. It's American Exceptionalism - not American Perfectionalism.
Ok - that's two idiotic arguments down. What's next?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 23, 2015, 09:00:14 AM
It's weird how butthurt the libtards get about people wanting to bring the world up to American standards (i.e., the highest quality of life on the planet). Then you realize they are trying to drive everyone in America's quality of life down to that of a former Soviet block, and it makes sense.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 23, 2015, 09:04:47 AM
it was exceptionally lucky for early Europeans to stumble upon such an enormous resource rich land with so few people already on it. that was pretty exceptional. you can't do that anymore unless you blast your ass off to space.
Which is why things are so prosperous in South and Central America, too, right? "Because trade and natural resources!!!" - anybody remember this from a few threads ago? Still hilarious.
North America was colonized. South/Central America was conquered with the goal of shipping resources to Spain.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 23, 2015, 09:07:45 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2015, 09:08:00 AM
it was exceptionally lucky for early Europeans to stumble upon such an enormous resource rich land with so few people already on it. that was pretty exceptional. you can't do that anymore unless you blast your ass off to space.
Which is why things are so prosperous in South and Central America, too, right? "Because trade and natural resources!!!" - anybody remember this from a few threads ago? Still hilarious.
North America was colonized. South/Central America was conquered with the goal of shipping resources to Spain.
South America and Central America weren't colonized? :lol:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 23, 2015, 09:10:58 AM
it was exceptionally lucky for early Europeans to stumble upon such an enormous resource rich land with so few people already on it. that was pretty exceptional. you can't do that anymore unless you blast your ass off to space.
Which is why things are so prosperous in South and Central America, too, right? "Because trade and natural resources!!!" - anybody remember this from a few threads ago? Still hilarious.
North America was colonized. South/Central America was conquered with the goal of shipping resources to Spain.
South America and Central America weren't colonized? :lol:
They were colonized with the goal of sending resources back to Spain. England's colonists came looking for a place to live. They weren't very interested in sending resources back to England. They revolted over small taxes on stamps and tea.
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 09:11:24 AM
It's turned into a witch hunt litmus test for a group of children who think that if you dare question our country's morals or motivations throughout history, you are a witch. It makes it extremely difficult to learn from your past when you're incapable of acknowledging your mistakes.
Personally, I obviously think it's an absurd concept (as it is widely used today).
American Exceptionalism has absolutely nothing to do with refusing to acknowledge past mistakes. It's American Exceptionalism - not American Perfectionalism.
Ok - that's two idiotic arguments down. What's next?
in the context it is widely used today, it has become "American Perfectionism". If that isn't what it means to you, why don't you explain what it is to you?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2015, 09:16:00 AM
It's turned into a witch hunt litmus test for a group of children who think that if you dare question our country's morals or motivations throughout history, you are a witch. It makes it extremely difficult to learn from your past when you're incapable of acknowledging your mistakes.
Personally, I obviously think it's an absurd concept (as it is widely used today).
American Exceptionalism has absolutely nothing to do with refusing to acknowledge past mistakes. It's American Exceptionalism - not American Perfectionalism.
Ok - that's two idiotic arguments down. What's next?
in the context it is widely used today, it has become "American Perfectionism". If that isn't what it means to you, why don't you explain what it is to you?
I already explained that in one of the threads yesterday - it's tough to keep to track of which one, what with SD making some revisions recently.
Post by: Jabeez on June 23, 2015, 09:27:27 AM
Pretty interesting polls done on americans. They even mention american exceptionalism.
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Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 09:32:25 AM
It's turned into a witch hunt litmus test for a group of children who think that if you dare question our country's morals or motivations throughout history, you are a witch. It makes it extremely difficult to learn from your past when you're incapable of acknowledging your mistakes.
Personally, I obviously think it's an absurd concept (as it is widely used today).
American Exceptionalism has absolutely nothing to do with refusing to acknowledge past mistakes. It's American Exceptionalism - not American Perfectionalism.
Ok - that's two idiotic arguments down. What's next?
in the context it is widely used today, it has become "American Perfectionism". If that isn't what it means to you, why don't you explain what it is to you?
I already explained that in one of the threads yesterday - it's tough to keep to track of which one, what with SD making some revisions recently.
Was it this?
Quote
From a foreign policy standpoint, the GOP actually believes in American Exceptionalism, and that's what I believe. We are the greatest nation and the greatest force for good this world has ever seen, and most pubs actually believe this. Most Dems don't, sadly.
I mean, we have done incredibly shitty and foolish things with our foreign policy throughout our history, especially since WWII. What have we done in the last 50 years that could possibly make a rational person consider us "the greatest force for good" in the world?
Post by: CNS on June 23, 2015, 09:33:24 AM
I think the functional definition has morphed over the years since it's inception. I mean, the above is just ridiculous.
Post by: renocat on June 23, 2015, 10:38:27 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2015, 10:48:57 AM
It's turned into a witch hunt litmus test for a group of children who think that if you dare question our country's morals or motivations throughout history, you are a witch. It makes it extremely difficult to learn from your past when you're incapable of acknowledging your mistakes.
Personally, I obviously think it's an absurd concept (as it is widely used today).
American Exceptionalism has absolutely nothing to do with refusing to acknowledge past mistakes. It's American Exceptionalism - not American Perfectionalism.
Ok - that's two idiotic arguments down. What's next?
in the context it is widely used today, it has become "American Perfectionism". If that isn't what it means to you, why don't you explain what it is to you?
I already explained that in one of the threads yesterday - it's tough to keep to track of which one, what with SD making some revisions recently.
Was it this?QuoteFrom a foreign policy standpoint, the GOP actually believes in American Exceptionalism, and that's what I believe. We are the greatest nation and the greatest force for good this world has ever seen, and most pubs actually believe this. Most Dems don't, sadly.
I mean, we have done incredibly shitty and foolish things with our foreign policy throughout our history, especially since WWII. What have we done in the last 50 years that could possibly make a rational person consider us "the greatest force for good" in the world?
For starters, we significantly outpace all other countries in terms of combined private charitable giving and public humanitarian aid. Then there are the myraid medical and other technological improvements spawned by our relatively free market economy. So yes, I think it's quite "rational" to say that. What nation or civilization in the history of the world has been a greater force for good?
Post by: Asteriskhead on June 23, 2015, 10:49:03 AM
Obama wants us to be like civilized Europe. No God, just the state.
Sounds great.
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 10:50:47 AM
For starters, we significantly outpace all other countries in terms of combined private charitable giving and public humanitarian aid.
link? on a per capita basis, we most definitely do not outpace other countries' public humanitarian aid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governments_by_development_aid
Post by: star seed 7 on June 23, 2015, 10:53:02 AM
Obama wants us to be like civilized Europe. No God, just the state.
Sounds great.
Would take :thumbs:
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2015, 11:18:02 AM
For starters, we significantly outpace all other countries in terms of combined private charitable giving and public humanitarian aid.
link? on a per capita basis, we most definitely do not outpace other countries' public humanitarian aid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governments_by_development_aid
Did I ever say per capita? Why does that matter? A starving child or Ebola/AIDS patient in Africa isn't thinking "gosh, this food/treatment is great and all, but it's not very nourishing/healing on a per capita basis." You know what, you're right. Lichtenstein is really the greatest force for good the world has ever known on a per capita basis - and that's what matters! :lol:
Post by: 8manpick on June 23, 2015, 11:20:16 AM
For starters, we significantly outpace all other countries in terms of combined private charitable giving and public humanitarian aid. Then there are the myraid medical and other technological improvements spawned by our relatively free market economy. So yes, I think it's quite "rational" to say that. What nation or civilization in the history of the world has been a greater force for good?
Probably some country that minds their own god damn business that's who.
Post by: Asteriskhead on June 23, 2015, 11:20:29 AM
For starters, we significantly outpace all other countries in terms of combined private charitable giving and public humanitarian aid.
link? on a per capita basis, we most definitely do not outpace other countries' public humanitarian aid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governments_by_development_aid
Did I ever say per capita? Why does that matter? A starving child or Ebola/AIDS patient in Africa isn't thinking "gosh, this food/treatment is great and all, but it's not very nourishing/healing on a per capita basis." Are you really arguing "garsh, Lichtenstein is really the greatest force for good the world has ever known on a per capita basis"? :lol:
oh my, you really are dense.
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 11:25:03 AM
For starters, we significantly outpace all other countries in terms of combined private charitable giving and public humanitarian aid.
link? on a per capita basis, we most definitely do not outpace other countries' public humanitarian aid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governments_by_development_aid
Did I ever say per capita? Why does that matter? A starving child or Ebola/AIDS patient in Africa isn't thinking "gosh, this food/treatment is great and all, but it's not very nourishing/healing on a per capita basis." Are you really arguing "garsh, Lichtenstein is really the greatest force for good the world has ever known on a per capita basis"? :lol:
I guess I don't think simply being the most populous nation among humanitarian aid givers makes that nation "exceptional". And I think the many terrible things we've done with our foreign policy outweigh the good, at least when it comes to exceptionalism.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2015, 11:27:59 AM
"Yeah, but there should really be more food here on a per capita basis."
Post by: steve dave on June 23, 2015, 11:29:03 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2015, 11:29:57 AM
"Thanks, but really, Lichtenstein does this way better on a per capita basis."
Post by: steve dave on June 23, 2015, 11:30:07 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2015, 11:31:48 AM
"Yeah ok, thanks and all, but our own country is providing more aid for this tsunami relief than you - on a per capita basis."
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 23, 2015, 11:32:39 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2015, 11:34:55 AM
"LOL - ok guys, way to go, but you really should have gone to Saturn - on a per capita basis."
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2015, 11:36:24 AM
"You guys really could have liberated us faster - on a per capita basis."
Post by: Tobias on June 23, 2015, 11:37:04 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 11:37:24 AM
It's turned into a witch hunt litmus test for a group of children who think that if you dare question our country's morals or motivations throughout history, you are a witch.
^I mean, this is pretty much exactly what happened in this thread
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 23, 2015, 11:39:18 AM
For starters, we significantly outpace all other countries in terms of combined private charitable giving and public humanitarian aid.
link? on a per capita basis, we most definitely do not outpace other countries' public humanitarian aid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governments_by_development_aid
Did I ever say per capita? Why does that matter? A starving child or Ebola/AIDS patient in Africa isn't thinking "gosh, this food/treatment is great and all, but it's not very nourishing/healing on a per capita basis." You know what, you're right. Lichtenstein is really the greatest force for good the world has ever known on a per capita basis - and that's what matters! :lol:
That link only includes aid from the public sector. Also, LOL at K-S-U's meltdown.
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 11:41:27 AM
For starters, we significantly outpace all other countries in terms of combined private charitable giving and public humanitarian aid.
link? on a per capita basis, we most definitely do not outpace other countries' public humanitarian aid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governments_by_development_aid
Did I ever say per capita? Why does that matter? A starving child or Ebola/AIDS patient in Africa isn't thinking "gosh, this food/treatment is great and all, but it's not very nourishing/healing on a per capita basis." You know what, you're right. Lichtenstein is really the greatest force for good the world has ever known on a per capita basis - and that's what matters! :lol:
That link only includes aid from the public sector. Also, LOL at K-S-U's meltdown.
yes, I would be interested in private sector giving, too. It's actually an interesting look at the concept of "American Exceptionalism" that you rarely hear discussed. I've really only heard the term used recently in the context of Obama bowing to an Arab or "apologizing for America".
Post by: OK_Cat on June 23, 2015, 12:05:30 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 12:07:05 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 23, 2015, 12:56:29 PM
I mean, I wish humanitarian aid was the primary function of our foreign policy. But it's basically nothing relative to what we spend droning fools.
Yeah, I'm sure the Syrian refugees would be much better off if we would just give them good dose of powdered milk and antibiotics right before they are ethnically clenched and then butchered in a public forum. That's way better than just exploding the homicidal rapist maniacs. rough ridin' American Exceptionalism is so twisted, on a per capita basis.
Sidenote: there are a lot of stupid posters who misuse the term "meltdown" and I don't like that because it dilutes the hilarity of a real meltdown. KSU's beat down through photo of that moronic comment was well placed, hilarious and proper bbs'ing under the circumstances
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 01:11:10 PM
I mean, I wish humanitarian aid was the primary function of our foreign policy. But it's basically nothing relative to what we spend droning fools.
Yeah, I'm sure the Syrian refugees would be much better off if we would just give them good dose of powdered milk and antibiotics right before they are ethnically clenched and then butchered in a public forum.
:D
Post by: star seed 7 on June 23, 2015, 01:12:34 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2015, 01:15:16 PM
Sidenote: there are a lot of stupid posters who misuse the term "meltdown" and I don't like that because it dilutes the hilarity of a real meltdown. KSU's beat down through photo of that moronic comment was well placed, hilarious and proper bbs'ing under the circumstances
Thank you. I also found the "meltdown" comment a little insulting. I don't have Rusty's exact size for the clownsuits I've been fashioning him, but I'm doing my best. Especially if you look at it per capita.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2015, 01:27:06 PM
"Yeah, this is pretty neat I guess, but you really could have dug this thing through Mexico - per capita."
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2015, 01:28:49 PM
"LOLZ, that really pretty lame, per capita."
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2015, 01:32:48 PM
"Only 2 cars per day? That's pretty weak sauce, per capita."
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2015, 01:34:51 PM
"Well yeah, but per capita..."
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 23, 2015, 01:35:44 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2015, 01:37:49 PM
"Did some good stuff and all, but per capita?"
Post by: OK_Cat on June 23, 2015, 01:38:08 PM
Post by: chum1 on June 23, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on June 23, 2015, 03:02:36 PM
Post by: puniraptor on June 23, 2015, 03:05:08 PM
Post by: wetwillie on June 23, 2015, 09:39:01 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 23, 2015, 09:40:12 PM
name one country more exceptional than America
Per capita, or overall? We should clarify that for Rusty.
Post by: wetwillie on June 23, 2015, 09:42:18 PM
name one country more exceptional than America
Per capita, or overall? We should clarify that for Rusty.
can't name one can you? didn't think so
Post by: star seed 7 on June 23, 2015, 09:51:34 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on June 23, 2015, 09:54:03 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 09:54:35 PM
australia is pretty coolThey were pretty shitty to their indigenous people, too.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 23, 2015, 09:56:16 PM
australia is pretty coolThey were pretty shitty to their indigenous people, too.
is there a place on earth that wasn't (hasn't been)?
Post by: cfbandyman on June 23, 2015, 10:01:40 PM
australia is pretty coolThey were pretty shitty to their indigenous people, too.
is there a place on earth that wasn't (hasn't been)?
Pretty much any non-colonized country. But then again before those countries came to be there was a lot of infighting and tribes and bands before nations were able to arise. Really, any political entity you see today had to fight and battle and be shitty against someone. Some just own up and recognize it better than others.
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 10:04:12 PM
australia is pretty coolThey were pretty shitty to their indigenous people, too.
is there a place on earth that wasn't (hasn't been)?
Finland, Norway, Sweden? :dunno: I mean I guess there's others, too. Quebec under Champlain did a pretty nice job, I believe.
It's just difficult to consider any nation "exceptional" in the context it is typically used when they've done a lot of shitty things throughout their history. I don't know much about Australia. They kind of got a late start which probably helps.
Post by: cfbandyman on June 23, 2015, 10:07:45 PM
australia is pretty coolThey were pretty shitty to their indigenous people, too.
is there a place on earth that wasn't (hasn't been)?
Finland, Norway, Sweden? :dunno: I mean I guess there's others, too. Quebec under Champlain did a pretty nice job, I believe.
It's just difficult to consider any nation "exceptional" in the context it is typically used when they've done a lot of shitty things throughout their history. I don't know much about Australia. They kind of got a late start which probably helps.
ahem, though at least I am not alone there
Post by: wetwillie on June 23, 2015, 10:12:03 PM
Post by: Tobias on June 23, 2015, 10:13:37 PM
What is exceptional about sweden finland and norway?
take this one, metalhead
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 10:35:25 PM
What is exceptional about sweden finland and norway?
they've done a good job not starting colonial wars in the past 100 years
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 23, 2015, 10:38:34 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 10:41:24 PM
What is exceptional about sweden finland and norway?
they've done a good job not starting colonial wars in the past 100 years
and educating their citizens and keeping them healthy
Post by: mocat on June 23, 2015, 10:45:57 PM
Post by: mocat on June 23, 2015, 10:46:40 PM
Post by: mocat on June 23, 2015, 10:46:54 PM
Post by: puniraptor on June 23, 2015, 10:52:46 PM
america is exceptional for having definitely the coolest of all flags.I can't even think of a second best flag. Probably Brazil.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 23, 2015, 10:53:20 PM
Post by: puniraptor on June 23, 2015, 10:54:35 PM
jamaica is a very good flag imoGreen and black confederate battle flag.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 23, 2015, 10:55:40 PM
Post by: puniraptor on June 23, 2015, 10:58:39 PM
japan tooWhenever my coworker eats something that gives him tummy troubles (especially Chinese food) he says this:
"Had my ass lookin like the Japanese flag hahahahaha"
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 23, 2015, 11:00:30 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 11:04:53 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 23, 2015, 11:05:31 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 23, 2015, 11:08:03 PM
colorado, arizona, kansas :D and of course goat california
Post by: mocat on June 23, 2015, 11:10:27 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 23, 2015, 11:11:19 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 11:36:22 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 11:37:05 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 23, 2015, 11:39:21 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 23, 2015, 11:42:37 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 23, 2015, 11:58:02 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unitedwestandstore.com%2Fimages%2Fstateflags.jpg&hash=11cb347b99a330037c22a18f3dac7a2da9712361)
hawaii, south carolina, Indiana, colorado :love:
Post by: star seed 7 on June 24, 2015, 12:02:23 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2015, 12:08:39 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 24, 2015, 12:09:20 AM
Post by: Spracne on June 24, 2015, 12:12:06 AM
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2015, 12:27:47 AM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theus50.com%2Fimages%2Fstate-seals%2Fkansas-seal.jpg&hash=d31263d0f95f8e3462d255ec7f10e695470681b9)
Post by: Asteriskhead on June 24, 2015, 06:51:19 AM
Oklahoma has a pretty great seal (if that is their seal). And has it been discussed how the Kansas seal has rough ridin' mountains on it?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theus50.com%2Fimages%2Fstate-seals%2Fkansas-seal.jpg&hash=d31263d0f95f8e3462d255ec7f10e695470681b9)
If the seal was comissioned prior to statehood it makes sense.
Post by: Institutional Control on June 24, 2015, 07:57:48 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 24, 2015, 08:31:02 AM
hawaii? gmafb
So the Hawaii flag has the UK flag in the corner....because it used to be a part of the UK. Should they take that off now?
Post by: steve dave on June 24, 2015, 08:33:40 AM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 24, 2015, 08:41:07 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 24, 2015, 08:49:35 AM
Post by: 8manpick on June 24, 2015, 08:50:20 AM
Post by: Tobias on June 24, 2015, 08:54:56 AM
Post by: steve dave on June 24, 2015, 08:57:20 AM
Is Georgia's real? Jfc
I don't think so anymore. Also they are removing the plate
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Flag_of_Georgia_%28U.S._state%29.svg/240px-Flag_of_Georgia_%28U.S._state%29.svg.png)
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/24/georgia-confederate-battle-flag-license-plate/29203411/
Post by: Cire on June 24, 2015, 09:04:49 AM
Post by: chum1 on June 24, 2015, 09:08:39 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Flag_of_Iowa.svg)
Post by: Asteriskhead on June 24, 2015, 09:12:20 AM
I think history has shown that ultra nationalism is a bad thing, per capita
Post by: OK_Cat on June 24, 2015, 09:30:29 AM
Guys, if anyone has any other libtarded arguments for why the United States is not the greatest force for good the world has ever known, please let me know. I'm itching to fire up some new memes. Otherwise continue with the flag talk I guess.
We are the best at hating different cultures. Per capita, tho?
Post by: CNS on June 24, 2015, 09:38:45 AM
Post by: CNS on June 24, 2015, 09:40:12 AM
Just brainstorming...
Post by: Institutional Control on June 24, 2015, 09:42:03 AM
Post by: 8manpick on June 24, 2015, 09:46:02 AM
KSUW, you could probably compile those, come up with a few new ones, and sell the crap out of it as a coffee table book to a bunch of ppl on line. You could probably do it exclusively through Facebook and retire off of it.
He already pays a shitload in taxes, you think he wants to pay even more?
Post by: Asteriskhead on June 24, 2015, 10:33:42 AM
Guys, if anyone has any other libtarded arguments for why the United States is not the greatest force for good the world has ever known, please let me know. I'm itching to fire up some new memes. Otherwise continue with the flag talk I guess.
i believe that the point was that our crap doesn't smell like roses, but keep doing your thing. i enjoy laughing at you.
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2015, 10:57:58 AM
Guys, if anyone has any other libtarded arguments for why the United States is not the greatest force for good the world has ever known, please let me know. I'm itching to fire up some new memes. Otherwise continue with the flag talk I guess.
i believe that the point was that our crap doesn't smell like roses, but keep doing your thing. i enjoy laughing at you.
I really think it's an interesting conversation that I would enjoy having with a grown-up. But yeah, K-S-U has been great in this thread.
Post by: ChiComCat on June 24, 2015, 11:21:57 AM
Has America accomplished some pretty great things? Sure. Have I or a majority of the people in America contributed meaningfully to those accomplishments? Not really.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 24, 2015, 11:37:44 AM
I think American Exceptionalism is largely to make people feel like they are better than other countries, usually while not contributing in any meaningful way. People want to feel like they are great and the only way for some to do that is by thinking it is their birthright.
Has America accomplished some pretty great things? Sure. Have I or a majority of the people in America contributed meaningfully to those accomplishments? Not really.
American Exceptionalism is an idea. Like any other idea, it's either true or it isn't. I'm still waiting for an argument as to another country that has been a greater force for good (and no, we're not going "per capita"). I guess there was the Romans thing because of aqueducts?
Post by: CHONGS on June 24, 2015, 11:40:42 AM
Post by: CHONGS on June 24, 2015, 11:43:04 AM
Country A is the greatest force for good.
you must define your terms. What is precisely meant by "greatest", "force", and "good"? It would probably be wise to define "country" as well.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 24, 2015, 11:43:48 AM
This thread reminds me of Will McAvoy's rant on Newsroom.
Yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjMqda19wk
Post by: mocat on June 24, 2015, 11:47:03 AM
American Exceptionalism is an idea. Like any other idea, it's either true or it isn't.
wow
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2015, 11:47:19 AM
I think American Exceptionalism is largely to make people feel like they are better than other countries, usually while not contributing in any meaningful way. People want to feel like they are great and the only way for some to do that is by thinking it is their birthright.
Has America accomplished some pretty great things? Sure. Have I or a majority of the people in America contributed meaningfully to those accomplishments? Not really.
American Exceptionalism is an idea. Like any other idea, it's either true or it isn't. I'm still waiting for an argument as to another country that has been a greater force for good (and no, we're not going "per capita"). I guess there was the Romans thing because of aqueducts?
The "greatest force for good" is not the same thing as "American Exceptionalism" as it is widely used today. (And I'd also like to see you address ching's post)
Post by: 8manpick on June 24, 2015, 11:48:15 AM
Alexis de Tocqueville, 1831
The first reference to the concept by name, and possibly its origin, was by French writer Alexis de Tocqueville in his 1835/1840 work, Democracy in America:
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The position of the Americans is therefore quite exceptional, and it may be believed that no democratic people will ever be placed in a similar one. Their strictly Puritanical origin, their exclusively commercial habits, even the country they inhabit, which seems to divert their minds from the pursuit of science, literature, and the arts, the proximity of Europe, which allows them to neglect these pursuits without relapsing into barbarism, a thousand special causes, of which I have only been able to point out the most important, have singularly concurred to fix the mind of the American upon purely practical objects. His passions, his wants, his education, and everything about him seem to unite in drawing the native of the United States earthward; his religion alone bids him turn, from time to time, a transient and distracted glance to heaven. Let us cease, then, to view all democratic nations under the example of the American people.
Seems like quite a different definition of the term than "Greatest force for good". In fact, almost all of the early references are about America having a unique set of circumstances when compared to European nations...America as fundamentally different, not fundamentally great.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 24, 2015, 11:51:40 AM
I think American Exceptionalism is largely to make people feel like they are better than other countries, usually while not contributing in any meaningful way. People want to feel like they are great and the only way for some to do that is by thinking it is their birthright.
I mean, this is the quintessential rationale for people who vote democrat against their better interest. Why don't the libtards have a beef with that?
Post by: Spracne on June 24, 2015, 11:56:07 AM
From Wikipedia, so grain of salt and what not
Alexis de Tocqueville, 1831
The first reference to the concept by name, and possibly its origin, was by French writer Alexis de Tocqueville in his 1835/1840 work, Democracy in America:QuoteThe position of the Americans is therefore quite exceptional, and it may be believed that no democratic people will ever be placed in a similar one. Their strictly Puritanical origin, their exclusively commercial habits, even the country they inhabit, which seems to divert their minds from the pursuit of science, literature, and the arts, the proximity of Europe, which allows them to neglect these pursuits without relapsing into barbarism, a thousand special causes, of which I have only been able to point out the most important, have singularly concurred to fix the mind of the American upon purely practical objects. His passions, his wants, his education, and everything about him seem to unite in drawing the native of the United States earthward; his religion alone bids him turn, from time to time, a transient and distracted glance to heaven. Let us cease, then, to view all democratic nations under the example of the American people.
Seems like quite a different definition of the term than "Greatest force for good". In fact, almost all of the early references are about America having a unique set of circumstances when compared to European nations...America as fundamentally different, not fundamentally great.
Well yeah. What do you think exceptional means?
Post by: 8manpick on June 24, 2015, 11:57:45 AM
From Wikipedia, so grain of salt and what not
Alexis de Tocqueville, 1831
The first reference to the concept by name, and possibly its origin, was by French writer Alexis de Tocqueville in his 1835/1840 work, Democracy in America:QuoteThe position of the Americans is therefore quite exceptional, and it may be believed that no democratic people will ever be placed in a similar one. Their strictly Puritanical origin, their exclusively commercial habits, even the country they inhabit, which seems to divert their minds from the pursuit of science, literature, and the arts, the proximity of Europe, which allows them to neglect these pursuits without relapsing into barbarism, a thousand special causes, of which I have only been able to point out the most important, have singularly concurred to fix the mind of the American upon purely practical objects. His passions, his wants, his education, and everything about him seem to unite in drawing the native of the United States earthward; his religion alone bids him turn, from time to time, a transient and distracted glance to heaven. Let us cease, then, to view all democratic nations under the example of the American people.
Seems like quite a different definition of the term than "Greatest force for good". In fact, almost all of the early references are about America having a unique set of circumstances when compared to European nations...America as fundamentally different, not fundamentally great.
Well yeah. What do you think exceptional means?
:dubious:
adjective
1.
forming an exception or rare instance; unusual; extraordinary:
The warm weather was exceptional for January.
2.
unusually excellent; superior:
an exceptional violinist.
Post by: Spracne on June 24, 2015, 12:00:24 PM
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2015, 12:02:58 PM
Yes, so it seems quite prudent to believe that America is exceptional.I think SD nailed it on the first reply of the thread
Post by: Asteriskhead on June 24, 2015, 12:09:46 PM
I think American Exceptionalism is largely to make people feel like they are better than other countries, usually while not contributing in any meaningful way. People want to feel like they are great and the only way for some to do that is by thinking it is their birthright.
I mean, this is the quintessential rationale for people who vote democrat against their better interest. Why don't the libtards have a beef with that?
you're making a very, very large assumption. voting behavior is far more complex than that.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 24, 2015, 12:53:43 PM
I know you are not a serious type of person to debate with, but if you want to make the claim that
Country A is the greatest force for good.
you must define your terms. What is precisely meant by "greatest", "force", and "good"? It would probably be wise to define "country" as well.
I think you can go ahead and use whatever common dictionary definition you want for any of those words - it won't change the analysis. Oh, except for "country" which I agree is too narrow, which is why I've also used the words "nation" and "civilization." Feel free to use any of them. Also "greatest" does not mean "per capita." (:lol: Rusty). It means "greatest overall" because that's what actually matters when it comes to things like humanitarian aid, scientific achievement, etc.
When defining American Exceptionalism, the most important thing to remember is what it does not mean - American Perfectionalism (no matter how furiously Rusty wants to prop up that strawman by saying "well that's what people think it means"). On balance, considering the good and the bad, America is the greatest force for good this world has ever known. This isn't really debateable unless you think that conquering the native americans over a century ago (who were, themselves, conquering each other for centuries), somehow negates all or most of America's contributions to science and humanitarian causes. In which case, well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.
Post by: CHONGS on June 24, 2015, 01:12:39 PM
One could easily argue that the British Empire, France, Germany, the Catholic Church, the Jewish people, China, Greece, Rome, etc.. are all the "greatest" "forces" for "good".
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2015, 01:14:06 PM
I know you are not a serious type of person to debate with, but if you want to make the claim that
Country A is the greatest force for good.
you must define your terms. What is precisely meant by "greatest", "force", and "good"? It would probably be wise to define "country" as well.
I think you can go ahead and use whatever common dictionary definition you want for any of those words - it won't change the analysis. Oh, except for "country" which I agree is too narrow, which is why I've also used the words "nation" and "civilization." Feel free to use any of them. Also "greatest" does not mean "per capita." (Rusty). It means "greatest overall" because that's what actually matters when it comes to things like humanitarian aid, scientific achievement, etc.
When defining American Exceptionalism, the most important thing to remember is what it does not mean - American Perfectionalism (no matter how furiously Rusty wants to prop up that strawman by saying "well that's what people think it means"). On balance, considering the good and the bad, America is the greatest force for good this world has ever known. This isn't really debateable unless you think that conquering the native americans over a century ago (who were, themselves, conquering each other for centuries), somehow negates all or most of America's contributions to science and humanitarian causes. In which case, well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.
Do you think Obama believes in American Exceptionalism as you sort of define it?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 24, 2015, 01:38:43 PM
I know you are not a serious type of person to debate with, but if you want to make the claim that
Country A is the greatest force for good.
you must define your terms. What is precisely meant by "greatest", "force", and "good"? It would probably be wise to define "country" as well.
I think you can go ahead and use whatever common dictionary definition you want for any of those words - it won't change the analysis. Oh, except for "country" which I agree is too narrow, which is why I've also used the words "nation" and "civilization." Feel free to use any of them. Also "greatest" does not mean "per capita." (
When defining American Exceptionalism, the most important thing to remember is what it does not mean - American Perfectionalism (no matter how furiously Rusty wants to prop up that strawman by saying "well that's what people think it means"). On balance, considering the good and the bad, America is the greatest force for good this world has ever known. This isn't really debateable unless you think that conquering the native americans over a century ago (who were, themselves, conquering each other for centuries), somehow negates all or most of America's contributions to science and humanitarian causes. In which case, well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.
Do you think Obama believes in American Exceptionalism as you sort of define it?
No. He has admitted that he doesn't.
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2015, 01:45:28 PM
Do you think Obama believes in American Exceptionalism as you sort of define it?
No. He has admitted that he doesn't.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/obama-and-american-exceptionalism/
:dunno:
Post by: OK_Cat on June 24, 2015, 01:46:27 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 24, 2015, 01:58:27 PM
Do you think Obama believes in American Exceptionalism as you sort of define it?
No. He has admitted that he doesn't.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/obama-and-american-exceptionalism/
:dunno:
Wow. Quite the balanced "fact check." :lol:
No doubt, Obama has back peddled quite a bit, but his first, and most telling response was:
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“I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism”
That's not Anerican Exceptionalism - it is relativism, a tenant of liberal faith.
Post by: 8manpick on June 24, 2015, 02:00:51 PM
Do you think Obama believes in American Exceptionalism as you sort of define it?
No. He has admitted that he doesn't.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/obama-and-american-exceptionalism/
:dunno:
Wow. Quite the balanced "fact check." :lol:
No doubt, Obama has back peddled quite a bit, but his first, and most telling response was:Quote“I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism”
That's not Anerican Exceptionalism - it is relativism, a tenant of liberal faith.
Should the Greeks believe in Greek Exceptionalism, or should they just submit themselves to us?
Post by: Institutional Control on June 24, 2015, 02:01:59 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 24, 2015, 02:02:48 PM
Do you think Obama believes in American Exceptionalism as you sort of define it?
No. He has admitted that he doesn't.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/obama-and-american-exceptionalism/
:dunno:
Wow. Quite the balanced "fact check." :lol:
No doubt, Obama has back peddled quite a bit, but his first, and most telling response was:Quote“I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism”
That's not Anerican Exceptionalism - it is relativism, a tenant of liberal faith.
Should the Greeks believe in Greek Exceptionalism, or should they just submit themselves to us?
They can believe whatever they want - it doesn't mean they're right.
Post by: mocat on June 24, 2015, 02:21:52 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on June 24, 2015, 02:43:26 PM
Post by: OK_Cat on June 24, 2015, 02:45:36 PM
What is the difference between American exceptionalism and American nationalism/patriotism?
Fox news
Post by: Spracne on June 24, 2015, 02:47:27 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on June 24, 2015, 02:52:06 PM
I think American Exceptionalism is largely to make people feel like they are better than other countries, usually while not contributing in any meaningful way. People want to feel like they are great and the only way for some to do that is by thinking it is their birthright.
Has America accomplished some pretty great things? Sure. Have I or a majority of the people in America contributed meaningfully to those accomplishments? Not really.
American Exceptionalism is an idea. Like any other idea, it's either true or it isn't. I'm still waiting for an argument as to another country that has been a greater force for good (and no, we're not going "per capita"). I guess there was the Romans thing because of aqueducts?
I don't think this quote is getting enough love.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 24, 2015, 03:04:17 PM
Some of you speak about America as though you don't love her...
I would bone America down, my man.
Post by: steve dave on June 24, 2015, 03:04:40 PM
I think American Exceptionalism is largely to make people feel like they are better than other countries, usually while not contributing in any meaningful way. People want to feel like they are great and the only way for some to do that is by thinking it is their birthright.
Has America accomplished some pretty great things? Sure. Have I or a majority of the people in America contributed meaningfully to those accomplishments? Not really.
American Exceptionalism is an idea. Like any other idea, it's either true or it isn't. I'm still waiting for an argument as to another country that has been a greater force for good (and no, we're not going "per capita"). I guess there was the Romans thing because of aqueducts?
I don't think this quote is getting enough love.
oh I loved it pretty hard, I just didn't talk about it
Post by: slobber on June 24, 2015, 03:55:46 PM
Yes, so it seems quite prudent to believe that America is exceptional.
Post by: Fedor on June 24, 2015, 04:16:12 PM
I mean, either you know the definition of word or you don't.Yes, so it seems quite prudent to believe that America is exceptional.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 24, 2015, 04:28:31 PM
I think American Exceptionalism is largely to make people feel like they are better than other countries, usually while not contributing in any meaningful way. People want to feel like they are great and the only way for some to do that is by thinking it is their birthright.
Has America accomplished some pretty great things? Sure. Have I or a majority of the people in America contributed meaningfully to those accomplishments? Not really.
American Exceptionalism is an idea. Like any other idea, it's either true or it isn't. I'm still waiting for an argument as to another country that has been a greater force for good (and no, we're not going "per capita"). I guess there was the Romans thing because of aqueducts?
I don't think this quote is getting enough love.
oh I loved it pretty hard, I just didn't talk about it
Yeah, I should have said "you either agree with it, or you don't." My point was that I don't really care how the idea of AE is used per ChiCat's post above, it's just an idea that you either agree or disagree with.
Post by: Kat Kid on June 24, 2015, 04:51:50 PM
1) I love the idea of murder!
2) that's awful, murder is awful.
1) murder is actually good because I define it as awesome.
2) that is not how that word is commonly used.
1) I define it differently so it is awesome and that is something you Either agree or disagree with.
2) I like awesome and do not like murder.
1) you have to choose.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 24, 2015, 04:53:10 PM
That makes no sense. You should define your terms as Chingon said. Because this is how this is currently going:
1) I love the idea of murder!
2) that's awful, murder is awful.
1) murder is actually good because I define it as awesome.
2) that is not how that word is commonly used.
1) I define it differently so it is awesome and that is something you Either agree or disagree with.
2) I like awesome and do not like murder.
1) you have to choose.
Ok, bub. Good comparison. By all means, if you feel uncomfortable admitting that you don't believe in American Excpetionalism, feel free to quibble about the meaning of words like "force" and "good." :lol:
Post by: SdK on June 24, 2015, 04:54:17 PM
That makes no sense. You should define your terms as Chingon said. Because this is how this is currently going:Hysteric, hysterical.
1) I love the idea of murder!
2) that's awful, murder is awful.
1) murder is actually good because I define it as awesome.
2) that is not how that word is commonly used.
1) I define it differently so it is awesome and that is something you Either agree or disagree with.
2) I like awesome and do not like murder.
1) you have to choose.
Post by: CHONGS on June 24, 2015, 05:04:38 PM
I'm still waiting for an argument as to another country that has been a greater force for good (and no, we're not going "per capita").
I am solely focused on this. Are you really waiting for an argument or do you just want to talk at people?
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2015, 05:10:09 PM
Post by: puniraptor on June 24, 2015, 05:14:35 PM
Post by: sys on June 24, 2015, 05:16:43 PM
our rise in stature, wealth, and power in the first half of the century was absolutely unprecedented
alexander's macedonia, rome, mongolian horde, ottoman turks, hapsburg empires (including new world), napoleonic france, england's british empire.
that's in like 5 seconds. there's prolly 10x more.
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2015, 05:17:36 PM
our rise in stature, wealth, and power in the first half of the century was absolutely unprecedented
alexander's macedonia, rome, mongolian horde, ottoman turks, hapsburg empires (including new world), napoleonic france, england's british empire.
that's in like 5 seconds. there's prolly 10x more.
well crap
Post by: sys on June 24, 2015, 05:20:15 PM
well crap
american exceptionalism is dead! :excited:
Post by: chum1 on June 24, 2015, 06:02:37 PM
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Post by: slobber on June 24, 2015, 07:12:00 PM
#CASE CLOSED
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: star seed 7 on June 24, 2015, 07:19:49 PM
Post by: slobber on June 24, 2015, 07:38:40 PM
chinamen isn't the prefered nomenclatureso that's why he was giving me the stink eye
Gonna win 'em all!
Post by: michigancat on June 24, 2015, 07:39:24 PM
Post by: SleepFighter on June 24, 2015, 07:50:58 PM
Seems like quite the pickle for the resident exceptionalists.
Post by: Asteriskhead on June 24, 2015, 08:23:44 PM
chinamen isn't the prefered nomenclatureso that's why he was giving me the stink eye
Gonna win 'em all!
i refuse to believe that you didn't set that up.
Post by: wetwillie on June 24, 2015, 08:30:37 PM
1. Track record of treating indiginous people well
2. Length of Average lifespan
3. Humanitarian aid per capita
Treatment of indiginous peoples
Post by: Spracne on June 24, 2015, 09:03:35 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 24, 2015, 09:25:50 PM
I don't think "American Exceptionalism" is even something you agree with or don't. It's vaguely defined, and even when you try to narrow it down to a somewhat specific definition there are some ways I would agree with it and others I wouldn't. Like, our rise in stature, wealth, and power in the first half of the century was absolutely unprecedented and "exceptional", but that doesn't mean that American people or the American nation is inherently better than others.
Ok. I'll put you in the "no" column. That's ok.
Post by: Institutional Control on June 24, 2015, 09:44:28 PM
chinamen isn't the prefered nomenclature
Exactly, my dad would refer to them as Orientals..
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Post by: mocat on June 24, 2015, 11:20:52 PM
I mean, what are the chances of doubling up like that? John in a million?
Isn't that tripling up?
Post by: Spracne on June 24, 2015, 11:24:51 PM
Maybe quad, since I guess I wasn't aborted.I mean, what are the chances of doubling up like that? John in a million?
Isn't that tripling up?
Post by: michigancat on June 25, 2015, 12:02:30 AM
Were you born in Texas? You may be the most exceptional.Maybe quad, since I guess I wasn't aborted.I mean, what are the chances of doubling up like that? John in a million?
Isn't that tripling up?
Post by: Spracne on June 25, 2015, 12:12:04 AM
Were you born in Texas? You may be the most exceptional.Maybe quad, since I guess I wasn't aborted.I mean, what are the chances of doubling up like that? John in a million?
Isn't that tripling up?
Colorado, unfortunately
Post by: SdK on June 25, 2015, 12:17:03 AM
Me too, fortunately.Were you born in Texas? You may be the most exceptional.Maybe quad, since I guess I wasn't aborted.I mean, what are the chances of doubling up like that? John in a million?
Isn't that tripling up?
Colorado, unfortunately
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on June 25, 2015, 12:31:42 AM
Post by: steve dave on June 25, 2015, 07:31:00 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on June 25, 2015, 07:45:12 AM
Jfc how old is your dad?
Old. 74
Post by: 8manpick on June 25, 2015, 08:02:22 AM
Too bad all of those places were forces for evil.
Well yeah, they eventually lost.
Post by: slobber on June 25, 2015, 08:06:15 AM
It would be interesting to understand how much human aid per capita they provided. Probably their downfall. @KSUw, can you do some research on this?Too bad all of those places were forces for evil.
Well yeah, they eventually lost.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on June 25, 2015, 08:34:27 AM
It would be interesting to understand how much human aid per capita they provided. Probably their downfall. @KSUw, can you do some research on this?Too bad all of those places were forces for evil.
Well yeah, they eventually lost.
Rusty is your go to per capita guy.
Post by: Asteriskhead on June 25, 2015, 08:40:59 AM
It would be interesting to understand how much human aid per capita they provided. Probably their downfall. @KSUw, can you do some research on this?Too bad all of those places were forces for evil.
Well yeah, they eventually lost.
Rusty is your go to per capita guy.
you seemed to be the expert on it the other day.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 25, 2015, 02:05:18 PM
Post by: steve dave on June 25, 2015, 02:09:10 PM
Quote
“Okay, I have a perfect idea for a state flag. We average the British and American flags, but with a hint of Yugoslavia!”
“Sure. What state is this for, again?”
“Hawaii.”
:lol:
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Post by: Institutional Control on June 25, 2015, 08:20:29 PM
Did most of the former CSA states have such similar flags before the war or were they adopted after?
Mississippi repealed their flag in 1908 but re adopted it in 2011.
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which kicks tons of ass.
Post by: SdK on June 30, 2015, 08:53:22 PM
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http://www.lookhuman.com/design/53469-too-cool-for-british-rule
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Post by: renocat on July 01, 2015, 11:59:18 AM
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Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 08, 2015, 03:56:33 PM
http://samuel-warde.com/2015/07/new-texas-textbooks-slavery-side-issue-civil-war/
Post by: puniraptor on July 08, 2015, 03:57:02 PM
Post by: eastcat on July 12, 2015, 07:52:21 PM
Asia on the other hand is scary man, super efficient.
Not sure what to think anymore.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 12, 2015, 09:29:26 PM
I used to think american exceptionalism was a stupid birther idea. Went to europe for a month last year and saw how utterly trashed and overhyped it is. Europeans are literally broke useless peasants rioting over government pension programs and crap. Reminded me of books about peasants petitioning the king or church for bread or something in the dark ages. Switch king/church for government and it's stuck on repeat over there.
Asia on the other hand is scary man, super efficient.
Not sure what to think anymore.
I want an eastcat update to Frommer's 2014.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on July 18, 2015, 08:03:41 AM
Post by: wetwillie on July 18, 2015, 09:32:55 AM
American exceptionalism is probably responsible for more deaths in the past couple centuries than all but the most brutal dictators (excluding natural factors like disease, natural disasters, etc.). It's unadulterated, unfiltered, and unabashed hubris in its purest form. The idea is anathema to any kind of unity that humanity might try to achieve. It is probably the largest impediment to global progress, other than natural resource limitations. If American exceptionalism were an individual, that individual would surely be a sociopath. Imagine that sociopath with the financial, technological, and military resources that America possesses. Frightening thought. Especially for those that get caught in the crossfire of our petty political games.
Glad you got that off your chest, that kind of thing can really eat away at a guy.
Post by: sys on December 14, 2015, 02:07:22 PM
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We in the U.S. have a broad and heavy bias away from unpleasant data.
p. 17-25.
https://www.gmo.com/docs/default-source/public-commentary/gmo-quarterly-letter.pdf
Post by: Emo EMAW on December 15, 2015, 01:21:34 PM
QuoteWe in the U.S. have a broad and heavy bias away from unpleasant data.
p. 17-25.
https://www.gmo.com/docs/default-source/public-commentary/gmo-quarterly-letter.pdf
Well I certainly didn't want to find this out.
Post by: Kat Kid on December 15, 2015, 01:46:23 PM
He wisely does not attach himself to the Population Bomb crowd of Paul Ehrlich.
The PISA and Pre-K critiques are important, but have little to do with most of the benefits of having the best, broadest and deepest university system in the world.
I think most of the rest of his examples are true both anecdotally and would hold up to scrutiny via survey results, but the implications are unclear. I think the most under explored part of his piece is what effect the united states mass incarceration has had on the labor participation rate and what happens when those offenders are released. I think i could piece together a plausible picture with my imagination, but it might be helpful to look at the alternatives and what the actual impact is on the US workforce.
It also would be useful to generate some ideas about why the similar labor participation rates have not had similar impacts on wages? Is it all state intervention? Is illegal immigration really that big of a drag on wages? What are all of the differences between the European labor market and the US labor market?
Post by: michigancat on December 15, 2015, 02:51:09 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on July 10, 2016, 12:47:33 PM
Everyone has a bias away from bad information. No way is that unique to Americans.
If you accepted it as true would you be less American? :sdeek:
is your IQ in the 50's?
Post by: The Big Train on July 10, 2016, 01:20:50 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 21, 2016, 10:32:34 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/us/politics/donald-trump-foreign-policy-interview.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/us/politics/donald-trump-foreign-policy-interview.html)
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SANGER: Erdogan put nearly 50,000 people in jail or suspend them, suspended thousands of teachers, he imprisoned many in the military and the police, he dismissed a lot of the judiciary. Does this worry you? And would you rather deal with a strongman who’s also been a strong ally, or with somebody that’s got a greater appreciation of civil liberties than Mr. Erdogan has? Would you press him to make sure the rule of law applies?
TRUMP: I think right now when it comes to civil liberties, our country has a lot of problems, and I think it’s very hard for us to get involved in other countries when we don’t know what we are doing and we can’t see straight in our own country. We have tremendous problems when you have policemen being shot in the streets, when you have riots, when you have Ferguson. When you have Baltimore. When you have all of the things that are happening in this country — we have other problems, and I think we have to focus on those problems. When the world looks at how bad the United States is, and then we go and talk about civil liberties, I don’t think we’re a very good messenger.
SANGER: So that suggests that you would not, as, say, President Bush did, the last President Bush, make the spread of democracy and liberty sort of a core of your foreign policy. You would say, “We need allies, we’re not going to lecture them about what they do inside their borders.”
TRUMP: We need allies.
SANGER: And lecture inside their borders?
TRUMP: I don’t know that we have a right to lecture. Just look about what’s happening with our country. How are we going to lecture when people are shooting our policemen in cold blood. How are we going to lecture when you see the riots and the horror going on in our own country. We have so many difficulties in our country right now that I don’t think we should be, and there may be a time when we can get much more aggressive on that subject, and it will be a wonderful thing to be more aggressive. We’re not in a position to be more aggressive. We have to fix our own mess.
Post by: DQ12 on July 21, 2016, 02:00:19 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 21, 2016, 02:21:58 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 21, 2016, 02:29:19 PM
i think i agree with his sentiment more than i disagree with it.
The context of his comments were
1) he had a few grafs up just called for the US to not guarantee NATO commitment
2) in advocating for democracy and democratic institutions in other countries
You don't have to be a Bush or Hillary interventionist to be puzzled by his comments.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 21, 2016, 02:34:40 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on September 13, 2016, 09:08:12 PM
From Herodotus relaying a story about Darius I
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Just suppose that someone proposed to the entirety of mankind that a selection of the very best practices be made from the sum of human custom: each group of people, after carefully sifting through the customs of other peoples, would surely choose its own. Everyone believes their own customs to be by far and away the best. From this, it follows that only a madman would think to jeer at such matters. Indeed, there is a huge amount of corroborating evidence to support the conclusion that this attitude to one’s own native customs is universal. Take, for example, this story from the reign of Darius. [Darius I, Great King of Persia, r. c.522-486 BC]. He called together some Greeks who were present and asked them how much money they would wish to be paid to devour the corpses of their fathers – to which the Greeks replied that no amount of money would suffice for that. Next, Darius summoned some Indians called Callantians, who do eat their parents, and asked them in the presence of the Greeks (who were able to follow what was being said by means of an interpreter) how much money it would take to buy their consent to the cremation of their dead fathers – at which the Callantians cried out in horror and told him that his words were a desecration of silence. Such, then, is how custom operates; and how right Pindar [Greek lyric poet, c. 518-447] is, it seems to me, when he declares in his poetry that ‘Custom is the King of all’.
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Post by: Kat Kid on September 14, 2016, 06:22:02 AM
Kat Kid have you read Horace Miner's paper about the Nacirema?
Yes. P. Good.
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Post by: SdK on September 14, 2016, 06:32:25 AM
Kat Kid have you read Horace Miner's paper about the Nacirema?Thanks for bringing this up. I looked it up and seems very interesting. Will read.
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