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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Pete on March 25, 2015, 07:26:27 AM
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I read that we will return just under 30 points per game in average scoring next year, while losing nearly the entirety of our post defense.
Would it not take a miracle to even match this year's results? To exceed this year's results is unthinkable, is it not?
What am I missing here?
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Will it looks like you forgot about oscar's ability to recruit did players who aren't unathletic and don't develop motivation problems to right the ship
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OOC schedule will be MUCH easier so a better overall record wouldn't be too crazy. And I mean we finished 8th in conference so it's not like maintaining that finish will be impossible.
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OOC schedule will be MUCH easier so a better overall record wouldn't be too crazy. And I mean we finished 8th in conference so it's not like maintaining that finish will be impossible.
OK, let's focus this conversation on the conference.
I will suggest that it will be a challenge to match our 14/15 conference record, and that a .500 record is unlikely, and further that a 10 win season is outside of the realm of reasonable thought.
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no way we're going .500 in confy next year.
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Yeah I would say that winning 10 conference games next season is a long shot.
But who knows? At the start of conference play this year lots of folks here thought we'd win less than six.
Plus you can't discount a better overall record, because that WILL be pointed to as a sign of progress with players who do things the right way.
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Guys, it's done. It's been burnt to the ground. Accept it. It'll be much more comical this way.
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Is oscar capable of getting any senior transfers who can play right away? If he pitches it correctly (which he wont) he could probably convince a few to go to KSU simply because of playing time.
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Havs, no one in their right mind really WANTS to play for oscar. We probably should just go try to fill the holes by watching kids play at the rec. Sign em up.
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As Rusty said, we may have a better record and an NIT just because of schedule.
Things usually aren't as bad as gE makes it out to be as well, but the cycle of oscar (especially the state of the program at this moment) and striking out on 55% of his high school recruits so far is a gigantic concern.
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As Rusty said, we may have a better record and an NIT just because of schedule.
Things usually aren't as bad as gE makes it out to be as well, but the cycle of oscar (especially the state of the program at this moment) and striking out on 55% of his high school recruits so far is a gigantic concern.
At this moment, Things are as rough ridin' bad as ge says they are. They are that rough ridin' bad.
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As Rusty said, we may have a better record and an NIT just because of schedule.
Things usually aren't as bad as gE makes it out to be as well, but the cycle of oscar (especially the state of the program at this moment) and striking out on 55% of his high school recruits so far is a gigantic concern.
At this moment, Things are as rough ridin' bad as ge says they are. They are that rough ridin' bad.
I don't think we are anywhere close to seasons like 00-01, 99-00, 96-97, 94-95, or 90-91. That 10 year period was the armpit of K-State basketball and I'll be surprise if we fall that far, even next season. We'll see.
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As Rusty said, we may have a better record and an NIT just because of schedule.
Things usually aren't as bad as gE makes it out to be as well, but the cycle of oscar (especially the state of the program at this moment) and striking out on 55% of his high school recruits so far is a gigantic concern.
At this moment, Things are as rough ridin' bad as ge says they are. They are that rough ridin' bad.
I don't think we are anywhere close to seasons like 00-01, 99-00, 96-97, 94-95, or 90-91. That 10 year period was the armpit of K-State basketball and I'll be surprise if we fall that far, even next season. We'll see.
we basically had the next worse thing this year.
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As Rusty said, we may have a better record and an NIT just because of schedule.
Things usually aren't as bad as gE makes it out to be as well, but the cycle of oscar (especially the state of the program at this moment) and striking out on 55% of his high school recruits so far is a gigantic concern.
At this moment, Things are as rough ridin' bad as ge says they are. They are that rough ridin' bad.
I don't think we are anywhere close to seasons like 00-01, 99-00, 96-97, 94-95, or 90-91. That 10 year period was the armpit of K-State basketball and I'll be surprise if we fall that far, even next season. We'll see.
we basically had the next worse thing this year.
Well yeah, but there is still a gap between what we saw this year and those seasons. We really didn't beat anyone good then and were mainly not even competitive. We could fall to that level next year no doubt though.
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I distinctly remember beating a ranked Iowa team in 00-01. Or maybe it was the year after. oh well.
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I distinctly remember beating a ranked Iowa team in 00-01. Or maybe it was the year after. oh well.
Illinois was #8 or something in Dec or Nov of 00
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I distinctly remember beating a ranked Iowa team in 00-01. Or maybe it was the year after. oh well.
Illinois was #8 or something in Dec or Nov of 00
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas-state/2001-schedule.html
:Woot:
That Iowa team actually won the Big 10 tourney. :surprised:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/iowa/2001-schedule.html
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Mizzou was also ranked when we beat them that year!!!
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/iowa/2001-schedule.html
but yeah, nothing like OU or KU
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Getting old sucks cause I remember winning that Illinois game by 20, not losing by 20
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Mizzou was also ranked when we beat them that year!!!
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/iowa/2001-schedule.html
but yeah, nothing like OU or KU
I remember all those wins. I really shouldn't have said "we never beat anyone good" because that's not true, but those wins were sporatic.
Even in 94-95 we opened the Big 12 by beating Sutton's Big Country led Final Four Oklahoma State team.
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Getting old sucks cause I remember winning that Illinois game by 20, not losing by 20
You wish. That was Billy Eugene Self, Jr.'s first Illini squad. Halcyon days!!!
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Getting old sucks cause I remember winning that Illinois game by 20, not losing by 20
Yeah, that's strange. Maybe getting mixed up with the next season's near win over a decent Ole Miss team? Featuring the dumb Reynold's foul and Canby's best game as a Cat?
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I think that game was the same day as the B12 championship and there was a long piece in the KC Star the next day about Wefald and it mentioned how hard they played even though they got the crap kicked out of them or something.
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Getting old sucks cause I remember winning that Illinois game by 20, not losing by 20
Yeah, that's strange. Maybe getting mixed up with the next season's near win over a decent Ole Miss team? Featuring the dumb Reynold's foul and Canby's best game as a Cat?
You guys lost that one too. :surprised:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas-state/2002-schedule.html (http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas-state/2002-schedule.html)
I guess the good news is that it apparently doesn't matter what actually happened once a sufficient amount of time has passed.
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Getting old sucks cause I remember winning that Illinois game by 20, not losing by 20
Yeah, that's strange. Maybe getting mixed up with the next season's near win over a decent Ole Miss team? Featuring the dumb Reynold's foul and Canby's best game as a Cat?
You guys lost that one too. :surprised:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas-state/2002-schedule.html (http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas-state/2002-schedule.html)
I guess the good news is that it apparently doesn't matter what actually happened once a sufficient amount of time has passed.
I did say "near win". :D
Back in those days "near wins" against anybody decent were a big deal. Maybe they will be again.
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Getting old sucks cause I remember winning that Illinois game by 20, not losing by 20
Yeah, that's strange. Maybe getting mixed up with the next season's near win over a decent Ole Miss team? Featuring the dumb Reynold's foul and Canby's best game as a Cat?
You guys lost that one too. :surprised:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas-state/2002-schedule.html (http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas-state/2002-schedule.html)
I guess the good news is that it apparently doesn't matter what actually happened once a sufficient amount of time has passed.
I did say "near win". :D
Back in those days "near wins" against anybody decent were a big deal. Maybe they will be again.
Sorry, friend. I skipped right over the near.
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Addressing the likely much easier OOC sched. It could really gives us some good embarrassment oppy, too.
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_FAN, what would have to happen next year for you to want oscar gone? And what do you think has to happen for him to actually be gone?
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_FAN, what would have to happen next year for you to want oscar gone? And what do you think has to happen for him to actually be gone?
Not making postseason with some semblance of improvement and positive momentum for this program. If I come out of next season (we should know by February honestly) that oscar has (re)built an NCAA tournament team from this current mess, then I'll be okay. That's going to be predicated by some significant improvement in consistency from guys like Westicles, Edwards, Johnson, and Hurt plus new guys like Brown and Wade being significant contributors. Its a tough shot, but not impossible.
Reality probably means a single digit win season for significant heat on oscar and even then he probably gets one more season minimum. So he's here at least 2 more years even if things go very south next year.
JMHO.
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I think if he had Mizzou's season, 9-23 (3-15), next year he would get fired.
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I think if he had Mizzou's season, 9-23 (3-15), next year he would get fired.
3-15 seems possible.
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I think if he had Mizzou's season, 9-23 (3-15), next year he would get fired.
3-15 seems possible.
add in the 2 SEC roadies, CSU in ICT and hopefully a tough draw in the SEC/Big12 and we might be on to something :pray:
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He wont get fired because dumbasses are still going to buy tickets.
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Our recruiting class is going to have to be a whole lot better than advertised to have any chance whatsoever of being a better team next season.
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for some reason (higher expectations or high game to game variance probably), people are having a hard time accepting how bad the 14-15 team was. it's not going to be hard for the 15-16 team to be better. from 2002-2006 (the five years that wooldridge overlapped kenpom, only the 2002 team had a lower kenpom rating than this year's kstate team.
it's entirely reasonable to expect next year's team to be better. any random group of legitimate big 12 quality recruits thrown together on a team would have a good shot at being better in their first year. and kstate does have a few returning players.
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As Rusty said, we may have a better record and an NIT just because of schedule.
i've said this before, but it's actually very hard to get in the nit. it's used as the shorthand standard for being a mediocre high-major team, but very few high-major teams make the nit. it's a very small window between being good enough for the ncaa's and not good enough for the nit. no big 12 team played in the nit this year. only one big 12 team has played in the nit in the last four years (baylor, 2013).
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As Rusty said, we may have a better record and an NIT just because of schedule.
i've said this before, but it's actually very hard to get in the nit. it's used as the shorthand standard for being a mediocre high-major team, but very few high-major teams make the nit. it's a very small window between being good enough for the ncaa's and not good enough for the nit. no big 12 team played in the nit this year. only one big 12 team has played in the nit in the last four years (baylor, 2013).
Making it more difficult, adding regular season champs that didn't make it to the NCAA tourney took up 11 spots this year <-this is probably the biggest change since we were thinking we could make the NIT.
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He wont get fired because dumbasses are still going to buy tickets.
What's the evidence for this talking point? That ticket sales will have more of an impact than performance?
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He wont get fired because dumbasses are still going to buy tickets.
What's the evidence for this talking point? That ticket sales will have more of an impact than performance?
john only cares about the financial health of his department. There are only two sources of continued revenue from athletics and basketball is one of them. If no one buys tickets and his basketball revenue dries up he will be forced to make a change.
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we're going to have a better record next year - and then the talking point will be "see, oscar got the team better with less/unexperienced talent - give him another year (or two) and let's see what he can do".
amazingly, but not surprisingly, by dismissing foster he reset the shot clock. it's as if oscar had nothing to do with the last 3 years and is a new coach.
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He wont get fired because dumbasses are still going to buy tickets.
What's the evidence for this talking point? That ticket sales will have more of an impact than performance?
john only cares about the financial health of his department. There are only two sources of continued revenue from athletics and basketball is one of them. If no one buys tickets and his basketball revenue dries up he will be forced to make a change.
If that were the case, Frank would still be here.
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He wont get fired because dumbasses are still going to buy tickets.
What's the evidence for this talking point? That ticket sales will have more of an impact than performance?
john only cares about the financial health of his department. There are only two sources of continued revenue from athletics and basketball is one of them. If no one buys tickets and his basketball revenue dries up he will be forced to make a change.
If that were the case, Frank would still be here.
lol wut
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He wont get fired because dumbasses are still going to buy tickets.
What's the evidence for this talking point? That ticket sales will have more of an impact than performance?
john only cares about the financial health of his department. There are only two sources of continued revenue from athletics and basketball is one of them. If no one buys tickets and his basketball revenue dries up he will be forced to make a change.
If that were the case, Frank would still be here.
lol wut
If it's all about the money. Frank brought money. I'll take my chances with renewing season tickets and possibly getting even better seats with people not renewing. I think performance on the court and all that comes with that will do more to enact change than people not buying season tickets.
If every ticket is sold and no one shows because we suck, currie is not going to be content. Conversely, if we kick ass and and no one is there, he is not going to fire the coach. Having a good program is a benefit to the AD and the university as a whole.
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Currie saw frank as a risky investment and sold high
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Currie saw frank as a risky investment and sold high
After the oscar hire, I think we can go ahead and say that Currie doesn't know very much about risk.
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Best case scenario we are around 20th in defensive efficiency and 50th in offensive efficiency. Team would have to play so hard, I don't see. oscar would have to pull a couple rabbits out of the hat with the last 2/3 of scholarships. He also has to setup himself for signing more than just 2 recruits in the 2016 class just for roster health.
If Nigel is exiting , oscar is in so much trouble. Can't go 1/5 on freshmen in one year. He is basically doubling down two years laters on spring recruits.
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He wont get fired because dumbasses are still going to buy tickets.
What's the evidence for this talking point? That ticket sales will have more of an impact than performance?
john only cares about the financial health of his department. There are only two sources of continued revenue from athletics and basketball is one of them. If no one buys tickets and his basketball revenue dries up he will be forced to make a change.
If that were the case, Frank would still be here.
lol wut
If it's all about the money. Frank brought money. I'll take my chances with renewing season tickets and possibly getting even better seats with people not renewing. I think performance on the court and all that comes with that will do more to enact change than people not buying season tickets.
If every ticket is sold and no one shows because we suck, currie is not going to be content. Conversely, if we kick ass and and no one is there, he is not going to fire the coach. Having a good program is a benefit to the AD and the university as a whole.
This is very Iowa Statey of you. They show up strong to every football game and still have Paul Rhodes.