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Title: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on February 23, 2015, 09:20:02 AM
Recruiting outcomes, relative to others within one's own conference, for 2015. Bill's class is over 1/2 of a standard deviation below the conference average. I have to think this would hold over time, considering we seem to land about the same in the recruiting rankings in conference every year.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2015/2/11/8008017/ohio-state-florida-state-boise-state-football-recruiting-2015 (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2015/2/11/8008017/ohio-state-florida-state-boise-state-football-recruiting-2015)

Considering our success on the field, Bill remains a golden god.

Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: MadCat on February 23, 2015, 10:58:52 AM
We are mere Ewoks bowing down to our C3PO.
Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: GoodForAnother on February 23, 2015, 11:10:42 AM
it's amazing how people think our bad recruiting actually reflects positively on Bill/the staff
Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on February 24, 2015, 10:30:45 PM
it's amazing how people think our bad recruiting actually reflects positively on Bill/the staff

Ha. There is some truth in this statement, although I find it unlikely that many people would recruit better and match the results on the field.
Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: deputy dawg on June 29, 2015, 10:12:26 AM
Maybe these guys need to be evaluated for coaching positions at K-State:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2506515-assistant-coaches-quietly-dominating-college-football-recruiting-trail?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=college-football
Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: michigancat on June 29, 2015, 10:24:17 AM
One could argue that our results show we are very good recruiters
Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 29, 2015, 10:36:24 AM
I think we are probably top 4 in the conference at recruiting. Maybe even top 3.
Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: KITNfury on June 29, 2015, 11:49:29 AM
Talent evaluation and recruiting aren't the same thing guys.

We have great evaluators and so so recruiters.
Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: michigancat on June 29, 2015, 12:21:46 PM
Talent evaluation and recruiting aren't the same thing guys.

We have great evaluators and so so recruiters.

they're directly related. one and the same.
Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: KITNfury on June 29, 2015, 12:26:55 PM
Talent evaluation and recruiting aren't the same thing guys.

We have great evaluators and so so recruiters.

they're directly related. one and the same.
Sort of but not really. I could explain but I don't really think it's necessary.
Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: CNS on June 29, 2015, 01:43:19 PM
I would argue that talent development and recruiting are not the same thing.
Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: michigancat on June 29, 2015, 01:47:39 PM
I would argue that talent development and recruiting are not the same thing.

good "recruiting" makes "talent development" much easier. It's a mistake to assume Snyder is just randomly landing scrubs without putting into thought into it and magically turning them into good players.
Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: CNS on June 29, 2015, 02:31:22 PM
I would argue that talent development and recruiting are not the same thing.

good "recruiting" makes "talent development" much easier. It's a mistake to assume Snyder is just randomly landing scrubs without putting into thought into it and magically turning them into good players.

Oh, I agree that bill isn't just landing just anyone.  We are pretty good at recruiting kids that will work as hard and do whatever bill asks of them.  We are shitty at recruiting high athletically talented kids.  We just are also shitty at recruiting kids that have a high level of athletic talent and are open to the type of coaching that develops talent as well as bill does. 

Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 29, 2015, 02:36:34 PM
I would argue that talent development and recruiting are not the same thing.

good "recruiting" makes "talent development" much easier. It's a mistake to assume Snyder is just randomly landing scrubs without putting into thought into it and magically turning them into good players.

Oh, I agree that bill isn't just landing just anyone.  We are pretty good at recruiting kids that will work as hard and do whatever bill asks of them.  We are shitty at recruiting high athletically talented kids.  We just are also shitty at recruiting kids that have a high level of athletic talent and are open to the type of coaching that develops talent as well as bill does.

We get a lot of high athletic talent. The idea that these kids just work really hard and become all Big 12 despite not being as athletic as higher rated kids at other schools who don't is false. We don't win a lot of recruiting battles against other conference schools, though. So I can buy the "good talent evaluator, poor recruiter" argument. Snyder's staff is really good at finding talent at smaller schools or talent that gets passed up by other schools due to size. We are good at finding athletes that fit into our system.
Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on June 29, 2015, 02:39:10 PM
This sounds like a chicken or the egg argument.
Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: michigancat on June 29, 2015, 02:47:12 PM
I would argue that talent development and recruiting are not the same thing.

good "recruiting" makes "talent development" much easier. It's a mistake to assume Snyder is just randomly landing scrubs without putting into thought into it and magically turning them into good players.

Oh, I agree that bill isn't just landing just anyone.  We are pretty good at recruiting kids that will work as hard and do whatever bill asks of them.  We are shitty at recruiting high athletically talented kids.  We just are also shitty at recruiting kids that have a high level of athletic talent and are open to the type of coaching that develops talent as well as bill does.

We get a lot of high athletic talent. The idea that these kids just work really hard and become all Big 12 despite not being as athletic as higher rated kids at other schools who don't is false. We don't win a lot of recruiting battles against other conference schools, though. So I can buy the "good talent evaluator, poor recruiter" argument. Snyder's staff is really good at finding talent at smaller schools or talent that gets passed up by other schools due to size. We are good at finding athletes that fit into our system.

we also don't engage in many battles against other conference schools. chicken or egg.
Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: deputy dawg on June 29, 2015, 04:56:04 PM
I remember an interview with Stanbot where Stanbot accompanied Snyder on a recruiting trip.  Said that LHCBS evaluated players like cattle, commenting on physical attributes, with special attention to muscularity of buttocks.  True story.

So.....
Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: 0.42 on June 29, 2015, 04:57:25 PM
I remember an interview with Stanbot where Stanbot accompanied Snyder on a recruiting trip.  Said that LHCBS evaluated players like cattle, commenting on physical attributes, with special attention to muscularity of buttocks.  True story.

So.....

So basically The Manhatter is LHCBS :Wha:
Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: star seed 7 on June 29, 2015, 08:35:18 PM
I would argue that talent development and recruiting are not the same thing.

good "recruiting" makes "talent development" much easier. It's a mistake to assume Snyder is just randomly landing scrubs without putting into thought into it and magically turning them into good players.

Oh, I agree that bill isn't just landing just anyone.  We are pretty good at recruiting kids that will work as hard and do whatever bill asks of them.  We are shitty at recruiting high athletically talented kids.  We just are also shitty at recruiting kids that have a high level of athletic talent and are open to the type of coaching that develops talent as well as bill does.

We get a lot of high athletic talent. The idea that these kids just work really hard and become all Big 12 despite not being as athletic as higher rated kids at other schools who don't is false. We don't win a lot of recruiting battles against other conference schools, though. So I can buy the "good talent evaluator, poor recruiter" argument. Snyder's staff is really good at finding talent at smaller schools or talent that gets passed up by other schools due to size. We are good at finding athletes that fit into our system.

we also don't engage in many battles against other conference schools. chicken or egg.

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Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: GregKSU1027 on June 29, 2015, 10:53:25 PM
If any of you have espn insider xavier kelly released his top 8 schools today but ya know espn wants money to view the article.

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Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: star seed 7 on June 29, 2015, 11:28:05 PM
looking forward to that insider article
Title: Re: Recruiting, relative to the rest of the conference
Post by: meow meow on June 30, 2015, 08:32:53 AM
That's so Greg.