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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: kso_FAN on February 21, 2015, 02:02:05 PM
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Another half under 20 points and .70 ppp to add to this miserable season. I'll be highly surprised if this team wins another game. Moments of competitive play, but too many things seem to be unraveling. And Marcus wasn't even in the top 10 of problems with this trainwreck.
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Another half under 20 points and .70 ppp to add to this miserable season. I'll be highly surprised if this team wins another game. Moments of competitive play, but too many things seem to be unraveling. And Marcus wasn't even in the top 10 of problems with this trainwreck.
He never was
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Lowest points scored in a game since Nebraska in 2005.
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I underestimated oscar. I didn't think there was anyway he could get fired this season and he just might get it done yet.
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Lowest points scored in a game since Nebraska in 2005.
If I counted correctly, this is our 10th half of basketball where we failed to score more than 22 points this season.
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I underestimated oscar. I didn't think there was anyway he could get fired this season and he just might get it done yet.
God I hope so. I won't be able to take another year like this.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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Am I reading that right that 45% of our attempts in the second half were threes?
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Lowest points scored in a game since Nebraska in 2005.
nope. Texas on Jan 10, 2001
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Just think, a 20 loss season is coming.
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Wooly never even lost 20 games....
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Just think, a 20 loss season is coming.
:sdeek:
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We barely beat Baylor's 1st half. Holy suck!
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Tom Asbury never lost 20 games...
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A post-game oscar gem: "Too many subs in at the same time."
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this might be the worst season in modern KSU bball history...
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In terms of efficiency differential, today's deficit of -0.46 points per possession is the 2nd worst loss since 2002. Only the UMKC game in 2003 was worse at -0.58 points per possession.
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oh just more losses than any team since 1946
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Lowest points scored in a game since Nebraska in 2005.
nope. Texas on Jan 10, 2001
nope. Had 42 in '05 season against Nebraska and '04 Iowa State
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This is probably one the worst 20 losses in terms of efficiency for K-State since WW2. Maybe Top 10. Getting beat by nearly a half a point per possessions is really, really bad.
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TURN OUT THE LIGHTS
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Wooly never even lost 20 games....
i don't understand your counting methodology.
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nice job w/ this adv stats headline.
i would have gone with "Baylor dominates, fans die of Bear-dom" ... but format seemed wrong.
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Wooly never even lost 20 games....
i don't understand your counting methodology.
in a season..I might be missing something in my fury at the thought of it
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Wooly never even lost 20 games....
i don't understand your counting methodology.
in a season..I might be missing something in my fury at the thought of it
I was. I was looking at the kenpom projected record and mistaking it for our current record. I am an idiot.
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are you counting the preseason scrimmage? kstate is 13-15 now, with a maximum of 4 losses left, afaicc.
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I was looking at the kenpom projected record and mistaking it for our current record. I am an idiot.
you should apologize to weber!
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I was looking at the kenpom projected record and mistaking it for our current record. I am an idiot.
you should apologize to weber!
never
:don'tcare:
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but you never even gave him a chance.
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but you never even gave him a chance.
I did, last year.
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I have faith. We will lose in similar fashion to KU Monday and by prob 20 to someone else yet this season.
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Was this our most complete game as far as being completely inept on both sides of the ball?
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the absolute worst thing that could happen would be for us to beat ku. oscar is gonna push hard for playing hard for one more game just to save his own ass i fear.
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the absolute worst thing that could happen would be for us to beat ku. oscar is gonna push hard for playing hard for one more game just to save his own ass i fear.
Don't think he can pull that off this time.
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I hope walk on plays a eff load. Also, tre. Like all game
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the absolute worst thing that could happen would be for us to beat ku. oscar is gonna push hard for playing hard for one more game just to save his own ass i fear.
If they play well it will be in spite of oscar. Buuuut we're probably going to lose by 20 so it's a moot point.
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the absolute worst thing that could happen would be for us to beat ku. oscar is gonna push hard for playing hard for one more game just to save his own ass i fear.
Don't think he can pull that off this time.
The team certainly looks like it has given up. Not much you can do about that.
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have the post game oscar comments come out yet?
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Slim pickings. He tripped over himself a bunch and basically sounded at a complete loss.
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Slim pickings. He tripped over himself a bunch and basically sounded at a complete loss.
Some weird rambling recount of various plays in the second half
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He is supposed to be a big X and O guy but had next to zero coherent thoughts or recollections of what the eff just happened.
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Didn't frank used to have some players available for comment after games? maybe I'm just remembering incorrectly. I thought pullen's I won't play on NIT came from one of those.
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Yep. Twitter has some Gip quotes. Basically just tossing himself and other players under oscar's bus saying that literally no one is giving max effort, him included.
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I underestimated oscar. I didn't think there was anyway he could get fired this season and he just might get it done yet.
yeah I didn't think he could do it, either.
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Gip dropped some truth
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Yep. Twitter has some Gip quotes. Basically just tossing himself and other players under oscar's bus saying that literally no one is giving max effort, him included.
He should say why he isn'personally giving it his all. Maybe it's for the reader to decide.
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I underestimated oscar. I didn't think there was anyway he could get fired this season and he just might get it done yet.
yeah I didn't think he could do it, either.
I'm mad at OU right now.
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A good old fashioned blame off is what this team needs. We could set up a bracket and let the coaches play too.
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I underestimated oscar. I didn't think there was anyway he could get fired this season and he just might get it done yet.
yeah I didn't think he could do it, either.
I'm mad at OU right now.
You should be mad at Marcus. It's entirely his fault those wins happened. #isthiswhatyouwantedmarcus #huh
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I underestimated oscar. I didn't think there was anyway he could get fired this season and he just might get it done yet.
yeah I didn't think he could do it, either.
I'm mad at OU right now.
You should be mad at Marcus. It's entirely his fault those wins happened. #isthiswhatyouwantedmarcus #huh
True. Marcus, you shouldn't behave like that. #ThisIsOnYouMyMan
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All we needed to do was to hold Baylor to 2 points in the second half, and we would've won this game.
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I feel bad for Gip. He deserved so much better than this. Sometimes we forget these guys moved far from home to represent our university on the court. He's always been a competitor and done about as well as expected with the talent he has.
He deserves more than this garbage fire.
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So does Nino.
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Yeah. I hate it for Gip. In time, I hope he will remember the better times. I feel less bad for Nino for some reason.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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Was this our most complete game as far as being completely inept on both sides of the ball?
It was the 2nd worst game in the last 14 seasons, so yeah.
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I underestimated oscar. I didn't think there was anyway he could get fired this season and he just might get it done yet.
yeah I didn't think he could do it, either.
Yeah, I didn't think it would get this bad. This is going to be worse than his collapse at Illinois 2012.
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if only they could manage to combine the first half defense with the second half offense in a single half.
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So does Nino.
Nope!
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I underestimated oscar. I didn't think there was anyway he could get fired this season and he just might get it done yet.
yeah I didn't think he could do it, either.
Yeah, I didn't think it would get this bad. This is going to be worse than his collapse at Illinois 2012.
He was riding the National Championship appearance pretty much the whole time at Illinois. He took a much better situation at Illinois and screwed it up. (No offense to Rodney, Angel, Jordan, Shane and Will but yeah).
He was losing his luster and then he is fired which of course drops you down another peg or two. Mr. Bread warned us it would be bad and probably worse than Illinois and I have agreed with that opinion. At least Nebraska got Riley before Oregon State fired him :ROFL:
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No but seriously beating Ku somehow needs to be avoided at all costs
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Eliminate the home court advantage. Take a sign that reads "Shhh. Let's get oscar fired."
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Well, at least oscar isn't a full blown fool's gold guy.
“You have to make some threes,” Weber said. “Oklahoma State came in here last week and made threes. When we have played well against them we made threes. You can’t go 1 for 16.”
Gip wasn't happy...
“Nobody is on the same page,” said senior K-State forward Thomas Gipson after scoring a team-high 11 points. “That is just what happens when you are not on the same page. You get distant from each other and you don’t play as a team. You get beat by 27.”
This result stung Gipson in a way others have not. He showed more frustration than usual, calling out everyone on the roster, including himself. He doesn’t think anyone is playing with the effort it takes to win.
“It’s frustrating that we lost, period,” Gipson said. “But for them to beat us by 27 points, that means we just laid down at the end and let them do whatever they wanted to do. That is not good for us. That is not how K-State basketball does it.”
When asked to describe the mood of K-State’s postgame locker room, he simply shook his head.
“I can’t,” Gipson said. “I don’t know, but, for me, I’m mad. I can’t speak for everybody else. (I’m mad) because the season is not good right now and this is my last year.”
And Jevon, welp...
“It gets old and it gets kind of frustrating, but we are just going through growing pains,” said sophomore K-State guard Jevon Thomas after scoring six points. “Everything is not going to be perfect. This happens. This is basketball. You are going to go through a down season and you are going to go through down time.
“You just have to learn from it. I understand next year if we go through the same things something has to be changed. But we are young and this is stuff we have to go through.”
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Goddamn I remember when we had a point guard who said he wouldn't play in the NIT.
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Goddamn I remember when we had a point guard who said he wouldn't play in the NIT.
Plus side: based on that response, Jevon never will either. We won't qualify.
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Jevon is as bad at conveying thought as he is at playing basketball.
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I wonder if Jevon knows that this team isn't really all that young? Everybody in his class has been a major contributor through two entire seasons of college bball at this point. Edwards and Hurt are juniors. Gip and Nino are seniors. Bolden is a third year sophomore. Malek and Tre have been getting more time, but that's because we're rough ridin' terrible, not because they are a part of some kind of youth movement. This must be how oscar has been trying to keep the team from falling apart, convincing them that this is all because they're a young team.
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This result stung Gipson in a way others have not. He showed more frustration than usual, calling out everyone on the roster, including himself. He doesn’t think anyone is playing with the effort it takes to win.
Gip takes responsibility. Why does oscar refuse to?
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This result stung Gipson in a way others have not. He showed more frustration than usual, calling out everyone on the roster, including himself. He doesn’t think anyone is playing with the effort it takes to win.
Gip takes responsibility. Why does oscar refuse to?
...because he's a human being with very unpalatable character flaws.
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I know it's bad when I don't even want to look at the stats.
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Going back to 2001, K-State has played 475 basketball games.
During that time, K-State has given up a points per possession differential of -0.40 ppp 7 times.
Today's was the 2nd worst, at -0.47 ppp.
Additionally, 4 of those 7 losses have come in the last 2 seasons.
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Going back to 2001, K-State has played 475 basketball games.
During that time, K-State has given up a points per possession differential of -0.40 ppp 7 times.
Today's was the 2nd worst, at -0.47 ppp.
Additionally, 4 of those 7 losses have come in the last 2 seasons.
:sdeek:
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This is so depressing.
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oscar and his teams are so weird though. Even this year, we have 6 wins against kenpom top 50 teams, 3 against the top 20. I don't know how he can have wins that good and still have the losses he has; both blowouts like today and bad losses like Texas Southern and Northern Colorado.
By comparison, in his last 5 years, Wooly had 11 Top 50 wins, 2 against Top 20 teams.
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Kenpom sucks this year
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Kenpom sucks this year
Then all metrics must suck this year, because the numbers don't vary much. Plus, the Cats are 90, which is about right.
And if kenpom sucks this year, it has to suck every year.
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oscar and his teams are so weird though. Even this year, we have 6 wins against kenpom top 50 teams, 3 against the top 20. I don't know how he can have wins that good and still have the losses he has; both blowouts like today and bad losses like Texas Southern and Northern Colorado.
ou went to overtime today against tech. they aren't as different as the rankings suggest.
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oscar and his teams are so weird though. Even this year, we have 6 wins against kenpom top 50 teams, 3 against the top 20. I don't know how he can have wins that good and still have the losses he has; both blowouts like today and bad losses like Texas Southern and Northern Colorado.
ou went to overtime today against tech. they aren't as different as the rankings suggest.
if ou played k-state in the b12 tourney they'd be a 6-7 pt favorite. that's a pretty big difference.
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if ou played k-state in the b12 tourney they'd be a 6-7 pt favorite. that's a pretty big difference.
can you easily research what the avg point spread would be for a neutral site kenpom 10 v kenpom 90 over the last decade?
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if ou played k-state in the b12 tourney they'd be a 6-7 pt favorite. that's a pretty big difference.
can you easily research what the avg point spread would be for a neutral site kenpom 10 v kenpom 90 over the last decade?
year to year, a 10 vs 90 matchup will be a difference of 7-9 points on neutral. last year, probably closer to 8. this year, maybe 7.5 or so.
k-state played ou well both times. but i obviously don't think these teams are similar at all. ou is far more efficient on both ends of the floor than k-state, particularly in league play, and it's not close. oklahoma on its best day beat texas, iowa state, wvu, baylor and okla st by double digits. k-state on its best day is incapable of doing the same.
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if in most years it's 7-9 points and this year it's 6-7, that seems like a meaningful difference. but you also said it was 7.5.
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TURN OUT THE LIGHTS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtGxusvUT3k
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Us sweeping OU is a lot like OU sweeping us in 2012
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Us sweeping OU is a lot like OU sweeping us in 2012
I think it's like Colorado sweeping us in 2011.
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Us sweeping OU is a lot like OU sweeping us in 2012
I think it's like Colorado sweeping us in 2011.
No, that team was much better than us this year and 2012 OU
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if in most years it's 7-9 points and this year it's 6-7, that seems like a meaningful difference. but you also said it was 7.5.
i said okla would be a 6-7 point favorite over k-state in the big 12 tourney, which is held in kansas city. k-state gets a small bump for presumed homecourt advantage.
obviously, you can extract HCA from previous games played this year (OU was -3.5 @ KSU and -12 vs KSU) and get to that 7.5-8 range very easily.
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i said okla would be a 6-7 point favorite over k-state in the big 12 tourney, which is held in kansas city. k-state gets a small bump for presumed homecourt advantage.
got it. still, 7.5 is on the low end of the range you list as typical.