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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: kso_FAN on February 14, 2015, 09:45:09 AM
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http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article10145711.html
“We tried to run and what did we do?” Weber said. “We threw it to the band. We threw it to you guys. We threw it to everyone else. I had to (make a change). ... Our biggest problem is not the initial fast break. It’s the in-between, when there is nothing there and it is three on 3 1/2, or four on five. It is making the smart decision not to go in there and move the ball in space.
“That is where we just (struggled). That is why we really started to control things. I wanted to get a shot off every possession.”
He felt like he had no choice.
“We had so many turnovers in the first half (against Georgia) that I was like, ‘Hey, people are yelling. I’m yelling. We have got to do something,’” Weber said. “So at the beginning of the year we thought we had the athletes to run. We could use ball screens and spread people out. We just didn’t make the right decisions, so we tried to control it.”
I'll take him at his word and give him Georgia for the cut off. Here are the numbers:
Pace Efficiency eFG% TO% OR% FTR
First 13 games 64.8 104.6 52.9 22.6 34.3 57.6
Last 11 games 60.4 96.8 45.3 19.2 31.1 41.2
So pace did slow by 4.5 possessions and TO% went down significantly, but everything else is worse. Granted, we've played a better schedule since then, but still.
Here's the defensive comparison.
Pace Efficiency eFG% TO% OR% FTR
First 13 games 64.8 99.1 51.1 21.2 28.0 44.1
Last 11 games 60.4 101.5 49.1 20.0 32.0 41.0
Also, many other dynamic since then with the Nino injury and Foster/Malek suspensions. The effort to slow pace did work and the TO numbers did improve, but its hard to say that it made us a better team.
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Selfish me wants both. More possessions and an attacking style of offense worked against Purdue, Arizona, and others before oscar put on the brakes. I still feel Nigel with 30 min a game could provide adequate pg duties to allow us less stress on the offense , allowing us more looks and FT's. Bruceketball sucks as a fan. I wonder what the pace was with McOrebs in titletown yr? Too lazy to look it up.
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ugh
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neat
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Since when is throwing it to the band a bad thing? Oh look at Mr. Cool Jock Captain of the team picking on the band!
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Selfish me wants both. More possessions and an attacking style of offense worked against Purdue, Arizona, and others before oscar put on the brakes. I still feel Nigel with 30 min a game could provide adequate pg duties to allow us less stress on the offense , allowing us more looks and FT's. Bruceketball sucks as a fan. I wonder what the pace was with McOrebs in titletown yr? Too lazy to look it up.
Just as slow during titletown.
Our defense was terrible in Maui.
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"guys, let's slow the pace, shorten the game, make each possession more valuable, stay close enough to have a chance in the end. then, in crunch time, i'll bring us home with my superior ability to draw up winning plays with the pressure on."
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It just infuriates me because HE KNOWS his team is better suited for a fast pace and instead of working on their decision making he just puts on the brakes.
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It just infuriates me because HE KNOWS his team is better suited for a fast pace and instead of working on their decision making he just puts on the brakes.
The problem is in his own mind he'll justify the move by our 5-2 start in conference play and think the problem after that was caused by Nino's injury and the suspension of Malek and Marcus. Which is partially true, but still.
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He could have just said jevon can't.
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It just infuriates me because HE KNOWS his team is better suited for a fast pace and instead of working on their decision making he just puts on the brakes.
The problem is in his own mind he'll justify the move by our 5-2 start in conference play and think the problem after that was caused by Nino's injury and the suspension of Malek and Marcus. Which is partially true, but still.
Also, if you run a correlation across the entire season, turnovers do increase as pace increases, but the correlation isn't as strong as the correlation of pace to OEFF, EFG, or FTR. In other words, an increased pace is more likely to result in increased OEFF than increased TO%.
And of course you could spin that however you wanted.
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It's okay guys, we all know oscar isn't one of those bookish, moneyballing, numbers guys. He goes with the gut. That being said, what oscar is really trying to say (I'm not sure he is conscious of this when he speaks) is that our point guards suck therefore our ability to make the right decision on the break sucks.
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oscar had been a slow pace coach most of his career at Illinois and K-State. Her had a couple of upper 60s teams at Illinois, but I think his natural reaction to struggling is to slow pace, ie. take more control.
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It's okay guys, we all know oscar isn't one of those bookish, moneyballing, numbers guys. He goes with the gut. That being said, what oscar is really trying to say (I'm not sure he is conscious of this when he speaks) is that our point guards suck therefore our ability to make the right decision on the break sucks.
problem is they still have to make decisions in the half court
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oscar (like most coaches) wants control of those decisions. Or at least the illusion that he is in control. Ultimately he is and the team's failures are his.
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Slowing the pace is maybe the most aggravating SLTH trait, trailing only recruiting the "right way"