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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: kso_FAN on February 11, 2015, 08:23:24 PM
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In the midst of such losing, its difficult to find words for describing what we just saw.
Sad. :frown:
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there is now a culture of losing in this program. it's expected that we'll lose. we get up 69-67, and no one, probably including the players, thought they were going to win.
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I think I gave up on this team about 2 games ago, but this loss really just confirms it. This season is over. I hope we don't play in the NIT or any post season tournament to save ourselves the embarrassment. I'm sick of watching oscar., I'm sick of watching incompetent basketball players play incompetent basketball, and I'm sick of basketball season. I'm ready for the Royals.
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Getting the lead just made the inevitable that much worse.
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6 3pt attempts for the game. LOL.
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9-3 wvu run in the final 2:25 after we took the lead
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Shot 57% and still lost. That's pretty hard to do, even by oscar standards.
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k-state's possessions after taking the lead 69-67 with 2:25 left...
turnover
turnover
2 missed FT
1 made FT
turnover
missed layup
layup
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This stench of losing is overwhelming.
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you guys are too hard on k-state this time, great road effort.
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I was in a plane from Phoenix to Charlotte. Didn't even remember we had a game tonight until opening this thread. Fan's stats and 4 other posts really tell me everything I needed to know.
Holding on to hope of a Sams return is where my energy is going.
Gonna win 'em all!
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I was in a plane from Phoenix to Charlotte. Didn't even remember we had a game tonight until opening this thread. Fan's stats and 4 other posts really tell me everything I needed to know.
Holding on to hope of a Sams return is where my energy is going.
Gonna win 'em all!
it was lol worthy all game, then all of a sudden we inexplicably had a lead with 2 min left, and proceeded to piss down our legs, again
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you guys are too hard on k-state this time, great road effort.
It's too late for this team to get moral victory BS from me.
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I'm glad to see anger/frustration is still alive and well with some posters. It has dawned on me that sometime over the last few weeks I have moved on to a castrated, full blown apathy
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I'm glad to see anger/frustration is still alive and well with some posters. It has dawned on me that sometime over the last few weeks I have moved on to a castrated, full blown apathy
if we had just coasted to a 10 point loss i would have cared much less. but it was the taking the lead and inevitability of giving up the lead that pissed me off
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you guys are too hard on k-state this time, great road effort.
It's the cumulative effect of the season. This type of result has become routine. 'Blast said it best.
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you guys are too hard on k-state this time, great road effort.
It's the cumulative effect of the season. This type of result has become routine. 'Blast said it best.
This game was WAY too much like a Wooly loss for it to sit well with anyone in this fanbase (except you apparently). Finally play well on offense, defense inexplicably falls apart, and then making multiple unforgivable mistakes down the stretch to give away a game that the other team is desperately trying to hand you. This is actually a loss that I could see knocking some folks off the oscar bandwagon.
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mousse he was kidding.
it does feel so much like Wooly. i think this team has an occasional higher ceiling than wooly, but there is absolutely no hope for any kind of significant success. we need a new coach.
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I'm glad to see anger/frustration is still alive and well with some posters. It has dawned on me that sometime over the last few weeks I have moved on to a castrated, full blown apathy
if we had just coasted to a 10 point loss i would have cared much less. but it was the taking the lead and inevitability of giving up the lead that pissed me off
like a pro, I quit watching with 5 to go and down 9.
feels pretty great
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you guys are too hard on k-state this time, great road effort.
It's the cumulative effect of the season. This type of result has become routine. 'Blast said it best.
This game was WAY too much like a Wooly loss for it to sit well with anyone in this fanbase (except you apparently). Finally play well on offense, defense inexplicably falls apart, and then making multiple unforgivable mistakes down the stretch to give away a game that the other team is desperately trying to hand you. This is actually a loss that I could see knocking some folks off the oscar bandwagon.
The problem with the oscar bandwagon is that half of them probably didn't even know we played tonight. Absolutely nobody on my regular twitter account was tweeting about the game except for like DScott and some other K-State related accounts. A majority of them are just wishy washy fans.
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mousse he was kidding.
it does feel so much like Wooly. i think this team has an occasional higher ceiling than wooly, but there is absolutely no hope for any kind of significant success. we need a new coach.
I should have caught that, but my anger is clouding my thinking. I probably wouldn't make a very good Jedi.
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mousse he was kidding.
it does feel so much like Wooly. i think this team has an occasional higher ceiling than wooly, but there is absolutely no hope for any kind of significant success. we need a new coach.
It felt a lot like Wooly to me. Hovering between 5-10 down all game only to find some way to blow it at the end. Never really thinking that it was going to turn out the Cats' way. Especially with Foster and Harris out, this team is pretty Woolyesque.
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This is a Wooly season. As in the team sucks
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you guys are too hard on k-state this time, great road effort.
this was something you would read after a Wooly game.
edit: never mind.....this point has been covered above.
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you guys are too hard on k-state this time, great road effort.
this was something you would read after a Wooly game.
edit: never mind.....this point has been covered above.
Feel free to pile on if you find it therapeutic.
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Totally a wooly vs Iowa st or Colorado game circa 2005
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This is a Wooly season. As in the team sucks
This.
To be fair, a Wooly team usually wouldn't come all the way back to lead, but get only within a possession.
Honestly, this was almost worse.
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This is a Wooly season. As in the team sucks
This.
To be fair, a Wooly team usually wouldn't come all the way back to lead, but get only within a possession.
Honestly, this was almost worse.
To REALLY be fair, compare kenpom rankings
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This is a Wooly season. As in the team sucks
This.
To be fair, a Wooly team usually wouldn't come all the way back to lead, but get only within a possession.
Honestly, this was almost worse.
To REALLY be fair, compare kenpom rankings
Actually, that might not be fair, as this team is currently ranked below Wooly's last 4 teams. (although tonight's results may give us a positive bump)
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Yeah, we're freaking bad.
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Beems was right, shooting a lot of threes is fools good. I'm glad we put the effort in to make our 2's.
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Foster didn't play, season has been a mess. But i don't know how you see this game as negative if you keep everything relative.
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Foster didn't play, season has been a mess. But i don't know how you see this game as negative if you keep everything relative.
it's definitely positive relative to the blowout loss to the worst team in the league. Which is great!
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Foster didn't play, season has been a mess. But i don't know how you see this game as negative if you keep everything relative.
:lol:
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Foster didn't play, season has been a mess. But i don't know how you see this game as negative if you keep everything relative.
anytime you lose, the game is a negative
when you fall to your worst conference record in a decade, it's a negative
when you suck, it's a negative
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Foster didn't play, season has been a mess. But i don't know how you see this game as negative if you keep everything relative.
it's definitely positive relative to the meltdown loss to the worst team in the league. Which is great!
:thumbsup:
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were we more prepared for the press tonight? seems like we were. boom, positive
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Wait, what?
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on the list of losses to get mad about, this one should rank near the bottom.
the WVU home loss was worse, the Texas Tech road loss was worse, the Texas home loss was worse, and every game in non-con was worse (except for Arizona). they had a 15% chance to win before the game, an 85% chance to win late in the game, and they choked - in large part because their best player is suspended.
k-state is, what, the seventh or eighth most talented team in the league? maybe worse without foster?
are you guys really expecting to win as 11-point underdogs on the road against a team coming off a disastrous loss without your best player with a far inferior team and a lesser coach?
great effort.
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Jeffrey wooly rake everyone
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lol
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Snyder killed our hoops program again, that bastard.
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To REALLY be fair, compare kenpom rankings
Actually, that might not be fair, as this team is currently ranked below Wooly's last 4 teams. (although tonight's results may give us a positive bump)
We moved up 9 spots!
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Hot dang boys we are near last in the toughest league. Imagine being last in the MVC. Or worse being MiZZlosers. Foster will go berserk when he returns and life will be good again.
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Guys, maybe my expectations are now so low, but I kinda watched that game and left thinking "good effort guys". I'm in a sad, depressing place with this team. I definitely thought we'd find a way to lose the game after taking the lead late. I definitely wasn't surprised that our team was clearly gassed and tired by the end of the game. All of that was in my mind, but I still left feeling kind of good. JFC.
I do feel bad for the players tonight for the first time all season. I think they did play hard, they're just not set up to succeed.
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This is a Wooly season. As in the team sucks
This.
To be fair, a Wooly team usually wouldn't come all the way back to lead, but get only within a possession.
Honestly, this was almost worse.
The constant yo-yo between 10 and 4 or so down was very Wooly.
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The idea that this team is devoid of talent is crap (with an active Foster/ Malek). With what was lost and what was coming back a 7-10 seed in the NCAA and a top 4 finish in the conference was completely within reason.
For a variety of reasons this team has played well under expectations.
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I would argue Wooly's last 3 teams had more talent than this one.
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Wooly couldn't even make the NIT you tards
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Wooly couldn't even make the NIT you tards
This team won't either FSD.
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Even the CBI is a long shot at best. :bang:
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The idea that this team is devoid of talent is crap (with an active Foster/ Malek). With what was lost and what was coming back a 7-10 seed in the NCAA and a top 4 finish in the conference was completely within reason.
For a variety of reasons this team has played well under expectations.
southwell and spradling were much better than their replacements. Wes just didn't make a big jump, Edwards isn't very good, DJamer is broken, we have .5 of a pg, Bolden is a joke, hurt is our second biggest threat from deep. Tre appears to be incapable of anything other than hitting open 3's. This team just isn't good.
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The idea that this team is devoid of talent is crap (with an active Foster/ Malek). With what was lost and what was coming back a 7-10 seed in the NCAA and a top 4 finish in the conference was completely within reason.
For a variety of reasons this team has played well under expectations.
southwell and spradling were much better than their replacements. Wes just didn't make a big jump, Edwards isn't very good, DJamer is broken, we have .5 of a pg, Bolden is a joke, hurt is our second biggest threat from deep. Tre appears to be incapable of anything other than hitting open 3's. This team just isn't good.
Not arguing that any of these things aren't true, but very few people saw this coming, myself included.
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I think since the WVU game at home, i've just not had that edge of your seat feeling watching any game, thinking that there was a serious chance we could pull it off.
We talk about the better effort this game but it was still very slow... Gip's my guy but he barely made stride at all the whole game. No one gives a crap out there.
It was said earlier with the wooly comparisons that the team doesn't expect to win... they get the lead then fall apart. We've witnessed it a few times in the last few games.
I think thats the toughest thing to watch about this team.
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The thing I find most surprising is that we took a step down from Will Spradling. I kind of thought we might miss a step where Shane was missing, but to say that those two guys and Omari off the bench would make that much difference is insane.
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The thing I find most surprising is that we took a step down from Will Spradling. I kind of thought we might miss a step where Shane was missing, but to say that those two guys and Omari off the bench would make that much difference is insane.
How bad our PG play is making me miss Will is definitely a surprise.
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If only someone would have predicted this
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If only someone would have predicted this
it's possible that it was predicted, but impossible that it was predictable.
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I gave up. I haven't watch the last four games and this thread indicates why.
I want oscar gone, and I want it done at the b12 tourney. Don't even let him get back on the plane/bus whatever. Make his ass get a cab and a rental.
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If only someone would have predicted this
it's possible that it was predicted, but impossible that it was predictable.
at the same time, we probably shouldn't be surprised. Even if it was unpredicted and unexpected.
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being surprised is the opiate of the masses.
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7 gms prior to the matchup in Ltown, our D had gotten better..... 44.0 eFG% allowed and 0.96 PPP. The poor defense we saw in non con has came back.
We haven't been good on Off. for most of the year, but that poor performance at home vs WV put us back in a funk (1.04 PPP, decent FTR, and 77% made FTs in 6 gms prior to that).
Those 6-7 games almost seem like fools gold
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A bad list of comparisons...
Worst offensive efficiency since 06 Wooly.
Worst defensive efficiency since 05 Wooly.
First 5 game losing streak since 05 Wooly.
First time under .500 in February since 04 Wooly.
Worst eFG% defense since before kenpom (02).
Worst 2pt% defense since before kenpom.
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He's recruited a bad mid major.
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A bad list of comparisons...
Worst offensive efficiency since 06 Wooly.
Worst defensive efficiency since 05 Wooly.
First 5 game losing streak since 05 Wooly.
First time under .500 in February since 04 Wooly.
Worst eFG% defense since before kenpom (02).
Worst 2pt% defense since before kenpom.
#statboy
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The downward trend isn't just for K-State.
This is also oscar's worst defense (by far) as a major college coach giving up by the worst 2PT% ever and worst eFG% since he was in the Mo Valley. He's had offenses that ranked similarly, but never had a defense ranked higher than #56 in efficiency. This year is #93 and not likely to improve this season. Giving up .98 ppp (adjusted) which is not going to win games in this league.
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He's had offenses that ranked similarly, but never had a defense ranked higher than #56 in efficiency. This year is #93.
maybe the illinois team that finally got him fired that famously gave up on the season didn't actually give up.
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He's had offenses that ranked similarly, but never had a defense ranked higher than #56 in efficiency. This year is #93.
maybe the illinois team that finally got him fired that famously gave up on the season didn't actually give up.
It's pretty amazing that defense finished as high as it did, because they were bad at the end.
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Also shows how consistently bad this year's defense has been.
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So we hired a guy that lost 12 of his 14 previous games?
:flush:
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So we hired a guy that lost 12 of his 14 previous games?
:flush:
Tom Izzo endorsed him hard tho
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So we hired a guy that lost 12 of his 14 previous games?
:flush:
actually, mike tufano did. we didn't have anything to do with it.
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It's pretty amazing that defense finished as high as it did.
38th, holy crap. maybe kenpom places too much emphasis on beating the crap out of chicago state.
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It's pretty amazing that defense finished as high as it did.
38th, holy crap. maybe kenpom places too much emphasis on beating the crap out of chicago state.
they also played pretty insane defense against Michigan State.
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they also played pretty insane defense against Michigan State.
We lost a good coach. We got a coach that beat me and my team more often than not. I just, I can't figure it out.