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What a name. What a game!
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What a name. What a game!
:alleyoop: :bracketmouse: :Skillz: :Jeffy: :Jeffy:
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:ksu: :driving: :drool: :Woot:
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Mir and trim hate him. :lol:
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Mir and trim hate him. :lol:
It does kind of depend...if you meant "game" as in his overall ability to play basketball, then I may not be quite as excited. However, if you meant "game" as in the singular sporting event that was played yesterday, then I am in! I hope to see his game deliver a lot more of what we saw in the game yesterday!
:party:
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Mir and trim hate him. :lol:
:facepalm:
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Mir and trim hate him. :lol:
It does kind of depend...if you meant "game" as in his overall ability to play basketball, then I may not be quite as excited. However, if you meant "game" as in the singular sporting event that was played yesterday, then I am in! I hope to see his game deliver a lot more of what we saw in the game yesterday!
:party:
You can make a legitimate argument that Nino is our 2nd best player to this point this year. He and Gip are certainly 2A and 2B on this team.
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He wants to win, which I appreciate very much.
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He is "on fleek" right kids?
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I like Nino.
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he gets really sweaty all the time, even not playing basketball in air conditioned buildings
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I don't like Nino. Idk quite what it is. Just don't like him. Appreciate TF out of him and games like yesterday though.
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I wish we had a better option
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Nino is becoming a fan favorite in his 7th year at ksu
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What a name. What a game!
I like him. But I don't call him Nino. I call him Crash.
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I think the staff has asked for more out of him than they could reasonably expect. He has done well but I agree that we should have a better option. Nino should be the energy guy off the bench and not the second best player.
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I think the staff has asked for more out of him than they could reasonably expect. He has done well but I agree that we should have a better option. Nino should be the energy guy off the bench and not the second best player.
I don't think I understand your position that they are asking too much of him. He is probably our second or third best scoring option.
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I think the staff has asked for more out of him than they could reasonably expect. He has done well but I agree that we should have a better option. Nino should be the energy guy off the bench and not the second best player.
I don't think I understand your position that they are asking too much of him. He is probably our second or third best scoring option.
He has become that but if this offseason oscar had said "Nino is going to be our second best scoring option" I would've said we are mumped. oscar talks about inconsistent his whole career has been, meanwhile, we are relying on him to play a big role. To Nino's credit, he has done a decent job of filling that role.
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I think the staff has asked for more out of him than they could reasonably expect. He has done well but I agree that we should have a better option. Nino should be the energy guy off the bench and not the second best player.
I don't think I understand your position that they are asking too much of him. He is probably our second or third best scoring option.
He has become that but if this offseason oscar had said "Nino is going to be our second best scoring option" I would've said we are mumped. oscar talks about inconsistent his whole career has been, meanwhile, we are relying on him to play a big role. To Nino's credit, he has done a decent job of filling that role.
Just because you are surprised by his output (or any of us) doesn't mean its completely unreasonable. He scored at a rate of 24 points per 100 last year (3rd best on the team, better than Shane), so he wasn't terrible. I'm slightly surprised by his improvement, but I also realize guys get better and dynamics change. I'm also a little surprised he's surpassed Gip, but part of that is that opponents can key on Gip easier with this year's players compared to last year with Shane.
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he's always been a scoring machine. i don't think it's surprising at all. he's doing exactly what he's done his entire career.
the weber comment about him being super inconsistent, aside from being an utterly bad person and contemptuous thing to say, was also completely wrong. he's been a very consistent player (when he's been on the court. when he hasn't played, maybe it's because he wasn't practicing consistently, i have no idea).
btw, i also don't think it should be assumed that foster is the best player. it's possible he is, but if he is it's not by much at all.
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I wish Nino would deliberately foul less. It's funny, but rarely productive
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he's always been a scoring machine. i don't think it's surprising at all. he's doing exactly what he's done his entire career.
the weber comment about him being super inconsistent, aside from being an utterly bad person and contemptuous thing to say, was also completely wrong. he's been a very consistent player (when he's been on the court. when he hasn't played, maybe it's because he wasn't practicing consistently, i have no idea).
btw, i also don't think it should be assumed that foster is the best player. it's possible he is, but if he is it's not by much at all.
True, but I think most associate best scorer as best player.
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Mir and trim hate him. :lol:
What?
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=34211.msg1298603#msg1298603
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=34211.msg1298633#msg1298633
Also stop lumping me in with whatever weird stalker crap you have with trim. You can't justify using me as a target of your little temper tantrums with some kind of private phone call like you try with trim. You keep bringing me up because you think I am some BIDer because you are too simple to understand nuance. Every time you do this you come off as the foolish cartoon parody you apparently need to be.
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I think the staff has asked for more out of him than they could reasonably expect. He has done well but I agree that we should have a better option. Nino should be the energy guy off the bench and not the second best player.
I don't think I understand your position that they are asking too much of him. He is probably our second or third best scoring option.
He has become that but if this offseason oscar had said "Nino is going to be our second best scoring option" I would've said we are mumped. oscar talks about inconsistent his whole career has been, meanwhile, we are relying on him to play a big role. To Nino's credit, he has done a decent job of filling that role.
Just because you are surprised by his output (or any of us) doesn't mean its completely unreasonable. He scored at a rate of 24 points per 100 last year (3rd best on the team, better than Shane), so he wasn't terrible. I'm slightly surprised by his improvement, but I also realize guys get better and dynamics change. I'm also a little surprised he's surpassed Gip, but part of that is that opponents can key on Gip easier with this year's players compared to last year with Shane.
I know guys get better but after seeing steady and small growth through 3 years and then making a jump surprised me. I didn't look at points per 100 so I can see where that would make some sense to those who do. To say the coaches put too much on him is probably unfair, as they see him play everyday and know more than I what he is capable of. oscar's comments just fed into that belief of mine. If he is so inconsistent and can't be relied upon, why are relying upon him?
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he's always been a scoring machine. i don't think it's surprising at all. he's doing exactly what he's done his entire career.
the weber comment about him being super inconsistent, aside from being an utterly bad person and contemptuous thing to say, was also completely wrong. he's been a very consistent player (when he's been on the court. when he hasn't played, maybe it's because he wasn't practicing consistently, i have no idea).
btw, i also don't think it should be assumed that foster is the best player. it's possible he is, but if he is it's not by much at all.
True, but I think most associate best scorer as best player.
Foster is easily our best/most valuable player
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I know guys get better but after seeing steady and small growth through 3 years and then making a jump surprised me. I didn't look at points per 100 so I can see where that would make some sense to those who do. To say the coaches put too much on him is probably unfair, as they see him play everyday and know more than I what he is capable of. oscar's comments just fed into that belief of mine. If he is so inconsistent and can't be relied upon, why are relying upon him?
I agree completely that oscar's comment was not well thought out and pretty dumb. I'm glad Nino is back to playing well though.
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Foster is easily our best/most valuable player
based on what? he's a great shooter. he's a pretty good passer (but a little limited by his handles). what else does he do to help the team?
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Oh man, nothing like a good sys/rusty discussion.
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Foster is easily our best/most valuable player
based on what? he's a great shooter. he's a pretty good passer (but a little limited by his handles). what else does he do to help the team?
Is anyone else on the team great at anything? If they are, is it more helpful than great shooting?
Also, he's the best on the team at creating off the dribble. He's not great, but he's arguably above average, (largely because he's such a dangerous shooter).
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he's always been a scoring machine. i don't think it's surprising at all. he's doing exactly what he's done his entire career.
the weber comment about him being super inconsistent, aside from being an utterly bad person and contemptuous thing to say, was also completely wrong. he's been a very consistent player (when he's been on the court. when he hasn't played, maybe it's because he wasn't practicing consistently, i have no idea).
btw, i also don't think it should be assumed that foster is the best player. it's possible he is, but if he is it's not by much at all.
True, but I think most associate best scorer as best player.
Foster is easily our best/most valuable player, since he got his crap straight after being benched.
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Is anyone else on the team great at anything? If they are, is it more helpful than great shooting?
Also, he's the best on the team at creating off the dribble. He's not great, but he's arguably above average, (largely because he's such a dangerous shooter).
i'm not saying he's not the best player, just that it's not so clear cut. i find it very hard to compare since the other candidates are so different. gip plays good defense, scores like a machine if he gets the ball in good position, rebounds ok, gets to the line like a machine, but his usage is really low. nino scores efficiently at a decently high usage, might be the best rebounder on the team, is a better defender than foster (i realize that is controversial), never turns the ball over.
foster should be the best player on the team, but i'm not sure he actually is. i also don't agree that he's above average creating off the dribble. he's well below average (big 12 average). he hurts the team by not oboarding at all, but not being a good enough a ball handler at the 2 to relieve pressure from our poor pgs (didn't you used to argue that all teams should play two pgs, hard to do that with foster on the court) and defensively. but he's an amazing shooter.
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Nino played great yesterday, but when I see Westicles I see the future. The length and driving are great, but like all of our players needs to be able to finish close to the rim.
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I didn't realize how elite Gip was at drawing fouls. And Jevon is good at it too!
It's interesting that Gip is shooting quite a bit less than he ever has.
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It's interesting that Gip is shooting quite a bit less than he ever has.
Yeah, he was amazingly consistent (%shots) his first 3 years and now the drop. Part of his FT rate being so high is that he isn't shooting nearly as much.
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Gip has been criminally mismanaged this year.
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Gip has been criminally mismanaged this year.
True, but look at who we have trying to get him the ball. I'm sure he misses Shane and Will a lot. Plus he's been in foul trouble a decent amount of time.
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If gip learned how to pass out of the double team, he'd probably get double teamed less
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Gip has been criminally mismanaged this year.
True, but look at who we have trying to get him the ball. I'm sure he misses Shane and Will a lot. Plus he's been in foul trouble a decent amount of time.
I think the way most coaches manage players in "foul trouble" is criminal so that's not fair. I also think the fact that we can't get him the ball is mostly on the coaching staff and somewhat on our poor passing.
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If gip learned how to pass out of the double team, he'd probably get double teamed less
This is also true.
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It's still clear Foster is our best player. Back to the basket play just isn't as valuable as guard play.
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If gip learned how to pass out of the double team, he'd probably get double teamed less
This is also true.
No it isn't. I don't know why you guys act like he's some kind of turnover machine. He gets doubled because he's a threat to score, and we don't have enough players that will knock down enough shots to keep them honest.
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If gip learned how to pass out of the double team, he'd probably get double teamed less
This is also true.
No it isn't. I don't know why you guys act like he's some kind of turnover machine. He gets doubled because he's a threat to score, and we don't have enough players that will knock down enough shots to keep them honest.
He still is not great at passing out of double teams. Nobody said he was turnover machine and he usually gets it away before the trap happens, but when he does get trapped he doesn't ball fake and often tries to throw through the hands of the defenders. I agree part of it is we don't have other threats, but also because it can be effective if you get the trap set. It also hurts that he's not really that tall or long.
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If gip learned how to pass out of the double team, he'd probably get double teamed less
This is also true.
No it isn't. I don't know why you guys act like he's some kind of turnover machine. He gets doubled because he's a threat to score, and we don't have enough players that will knock down enough shots to keep them honest.
He still is not great at passing out of double teams. Nobody said he was turnover machine and he usually gets it away before the trap happens, but when he does get trapped he doesn't ball fake and often tries to throw through the hands of the defenders. I agree part of it is we don't have other threats, but also because it can be effective if you get the trap set. It also hurts that he's not really that tall or long.
Close enough to agreement. I was mainly contending that even if Gip was an amazing passer out of the double he would still get doubled by every defender other than the guy who is guarding Marcus. The doubles get the ball out of the hands of our second most effective scorer and it forces the ball into the hands of someone who is limited offensively. It's exactly why Self will run a triangle and two at us.
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It's amazing that we have one legitimate three point shooting threat. This, as MiR mentioned, along with an inability of the coaching staff to put any other player in a position to be successful out of a Gip double really reduces his effectiveness.
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It's amazing that we have one legitimate three point shooting threat. This, as MiR mentioned, along with an inability of the coaching staff to put any other player in a position to be successful out of a Gip double really reduces his effectiveness.
Yeah, Harris must be really bad at everything other than shooting.
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It's amazing that we have one legitimate three point shooting threat. This, as MiR mentioned, along with an inability of the coaching staff to put any other player in a position to be successful out of a Gip double really reduces his effectiveness.
Yeah, Harris must be really bad at everything other than shooting.
I realize people half-joke about missing Will Spradling, but both he and Shane presented legit threats from 3. I'm surprised our offense is as close to last years' as it is (adj. kenpom, our conference-only raw numbers are WAY lower than last year)
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If gip learned how to pass out of the double team, he'd probably get double teamed less
This is also true.
No it isn't. I don't know why you guys act like he's some kind of turnover machine. He gets doubled because he's a threat to score, and we don't have enough players that will knock down enough shots to keep them honest.
He still is not great at passing out of double teams. Nobody said he was turnover machine and he usually gets it away before the trap happens, but when he does get trapped he doesn't ball fake and often tries to throw through the hands of the defenders. I agree part of it is we don't have other threats, but also because it can be effective if you get the trap set. It also hurts that he's not really that tall or long.
Close enough to agreement. I was mainly contending that even if Gip was an amazing passer out of the double he would still get doubled by every defender other than the guy who is guarding Marcus. The doubles get the ball out of the hands of our second most effective scorer and it forces the ball into the hands of someone who is limited offensively. It's exactly why Self will run a triangle and two at us.
Oh god, this just gave me chills. That could really kill us.
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It's amazing that we have one legitimate three point shooting threat. This, as MiR mentioned, along with an inability of the coaching staff to put any other player in a position to be successful out of a Gip double really reduces his effectiveness.
YES! Passing to a 3 point shooter is not the only alternative!
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The only endearing quality to Nino is his absolute love to eff with the ball after a made basket before getting back on defense.
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Mir and trim hate him. :lol:
What?
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=34211.msg1298603#msg1298603
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=34211.msg1298633#msg1298633
Also stop lumping me in with whatever weird stalker crap you have with trim. You can't justify using me as a target of your little temper tantrums with some kind of private phone call like you try with trim. You keep bringing me up because you think I am some BIDer because you are too simple to understand nuance. Every time you do this you come off as the foolish cartoon parody you apparently need to be.
Wut?
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Looked pretty good tonight. :)
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Stud. If this team has a PG, they might be something. :-(
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If gip learned how to pass out of the double team, he'd probably get double teamed less
This is also true.
No it isn't. I don't know why you guys act like he's some kind of turnover machine. He gets doubled because he's a threat to score, and we don't have enough players that will knock down enough shots to keep them honest.
He still is not great at passing out of double teams. Nobody said he was turnover machine and he usually gets it away before the trap happens, but when he does get trapped he doesn't ball fake and often tries to throw through the hands of the defenders. I agree part of it is we don't have other threats, but also because it can be effective if you get the trap set. It also hurts that he's not really that tall or long.
Close enough to agreement. I was mainly contending that even if Gip was an amazing passer out of the double he would still get doubled by every defender other than the guy who is guarding Marcus. The doubles get the ball out of the hands of our second most effective scorer and it forces the ball into the hands of someone who is limited offensively. It's exactly why Self will run a triangle and two at us.
If 2 guys are doubled that leaves 1 to guard 3. It's not enough to say the coaches aren't doing anything to alleviate the problem (a platitude). He holds the ball too rough ridin' long and is a very bad passer.
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Stud. If this team has a PG, they might be something. :-(
The Cats have a PG unless you are saying that you want a PG that can shoot or one that does not repeatedly throw the ball out of bounds!
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Stud. If this team has a PG, they might be something. :-(
The Cats have a PG unless you are saying that you want a PG that can shoot or one that does not repeatedly throw the ball out of bounds!
Miss you Angel.
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His improvement reminds me of Darren Kent
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His improvement reminds me of Darren Kent
I don't remember the white tiger playing anywhere near as strong as Nino does inside.
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darren kent is getting almost too old for you to remember his game
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darren kent is getting almost too old for you to remember his game
I remember the year that they handed out the Beasley heads on a stick I drew DK's face on the back and held it up. My buddies and I thought it was pretty funny.
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His improvement reminds me of Darren Kent
I don't remember the white tiger playing anywhere near as strong as Nino does inside.
I mean mostly from being a scrub to solid contributor. Though I think Nino is more than just a solid contributor now
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darren kent is getting almost too old for you to remember his game
I remember the year that they handed out the Beasley heads on a stick I drew DK's face on the back and held it up. My buddies and I thought it was pretty funny.
How could you tell it was Darren Kent?
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This guy is amazing! :Wha:
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Get your cold cuts, get your cold cuts. :popcorn:
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MIR i remember you calling Nino ugly or something equivalent to ugly, but you were not commenting on his value as a player so i have no idea what wacky is talking about. (i disagree btw, that smile :love: )
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darren kent is getting almost too old for you to remember his game
I remember the year that they handed out the Beasley heads on a stick I drew DK's face on the back and held it up. My buddies and I thought it was pretty funny.
How could you tell it was Darren Kent?
The back of the head on a stick was white. . .he was our white guy that year.
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Nino still doesn't help very well on defense (or at all sometimes), but I really appreciate what he's brought to the team this year. Had no idea how important he would be this year.
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MIR i remember you calling Nino ugly or something equivalent to ugly, but you were not commenting on his value as a player so i have no idea what wacky is talking about. (i disagree btw, that smile :love: )
No shade but he's got nappy hair and British teeth.
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Big 12 POW! (again!)
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Do you guys think Nino would make a good dad?
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Big 12 POW! (again!)
Amazing. This is one of the more shocking developments in KSU hoops in recent memory. No one in their right mind would've predicted this in the preseason.
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Do you guys think Nino would make a good dad?
Yes! Is this a scoop?!?!?!
Grats, Nino!
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Do you guys think Nino would make a good dad?
I think it's confirmed that he isn't/wasn't
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Do you guys think Nino would make a good dad?
:surprised:
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Do you guys think Nino would make a good dad?
:surprised:
Looked like something was on his mind during the game :Wha:
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Any word at all on Nino's knee?
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Any word at all on Nino's knee?
Knee?
No.
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Nino's knee? No
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:curse:
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:lol:
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:curse:
:Skillz:
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It's tricky.
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After undergoing medical tests on his left knee Wednesday, senior Kansas State forward Nino Williams was told he sustained minor injuries against West Virginia and should be able to return to the basketball court soon, according to Williams’ former guardian Derek Zeck.
“It is just a minor deal,” Zeck said by phone after speaking with Williams. “He had a MRI and nothing major showed up. His playing status may be up in the air. You could call him questionable or day-to-day, but he will be back soon.”
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article8525351.html#storylink=cpy
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“knees are weird” Zeck said by phone after speaking with Williams.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article8525351.html#storylink=cpy
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Nino did not practice today.
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"Doubtful"
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Our chances in Allen Fieldhouse are already slim, but without Nino (I cannot believe I am typing this again) we're significantly less likely to hang in the game. I fear what Alexander will do to us in the post. We're just too soft.
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Alexander sucks. Cats by 6. :gocho:
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85-58
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lol. #Life, you lost all credibility when you lol'd @ the royals in the regular season and never came back to the thread after their run. Take a hike, kid.
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Alexander sucks. Cats by 6. :gocho:
He's no Big Meat. That is all.
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I bet you wouldn't say that to Stephen Hurts face! :shakesfist:
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I bet you wouldn't say that to Stephen Hurts face! :shakesfist:
Big Meat seems about as intimidating as a toddler.
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Sweetest jumper in the game!
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It's official, no Nino for the big game. :cry:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12251421/kansas-state-wildcats-forward-nino-williams-likely-no-9-kansas-jayhawks
Though there is good news:
Wildcats coach oscar Weber said Thursday that Williams sustained a "strain or sprain," and that he underwent three treatments earlier in the day. There was no structural damage, and Weber said his senior forward would not need surgery.
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If oscar can just get one more key guy an injury then he has the needed excuse for this yr.
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If oscar can just get one more key guy an injury then he has the needed excuse for this yr.
Yup, next guy with an injury gets treated with a neckbrace no matter what part of his body is hurt.
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:lol:
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this team has already overcome so much adversity this season. i mean, no one ever thought they'd recover from the 3-4 month hawaii jet lag, but oscar coached them up and they damn sure did, in less than half the expected time! and of course marcus's deal. man.
so, a player sitting out a game due to injury, that we'd lose anyway?... or would we? so much adversity.
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this team has already overcome so much adversity this season. i mean, no one ever thought they'd recover from the 3-4 month hawaii jet lag, but oscar coached them up and they damn sure did, in less than half the expected time! and of course marcus's deal. man.
so, a player sitting out a game due to injury, that we'd lose anyway?... or would we? so much adversity.
It is crazy how much the TV commentators have latched onto the "Foster Better After Discipline" storyline.
I also agree that if Nino was going to miss any game, this would be the one to miss.
Do any people in the know have any idea what non surgical procedures might have been done on his knee / what that might mean in recovery time?
I am guessing recovery time = when the team needs him the most because that will be the most "adversity overcomeness" possible
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Heard Wes burnt his bagel at the serve yourself bagel table in the WSC/Nutrition Center.
#burntbagellag ='s four straight losses
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Heard Wes burnt his bagel at the serve yourself bagel table in the WSC/Nutrition Center.
#burntbagellag ='s four straight losses
I could see oscar using "Burnt Bagel" as a new rating system for how players have played. (replacing the now dated cake rating system)
Stud Performance - Perfect Bagel fresh from Panera
Dud Performance - Super Burnt Bagel from the WSC/Nutrition Center
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Probably about an A source but Nino is hurt and may be done as a cat
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Tricky indeed
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Probably about an A source but Nino is hurt and may be done as a cat
Hmmmm. Conflicting reports.
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Probably about an A source but Nino is hurt and may be done as a cat
Hmmmm. Conflicting reports.
yeah. That was from his gf. Hopefully he is okay but tomorrow is a definite no go
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I didn't expect him to play tomorrow. But the reports of the MRI being okay led me to believe he would be back at some point soon.
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Hope you're right.
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How would a Gip-Wes-Edwards-Foster-JT lineup do?
Might see some Gip at the 4 too, depending on matchup.
M Harris ain't scared tho, so that's good.
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Yeah I'd heard similar things about the knee. He was participating in the shoot around in the KStatesports instagram though. That's a positive sign right?
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How would a Gip-Wes-Edwards-Foster-JT lineup do?
Might see some Gip at the 4 too, depending on matchup.
M Harris ain't scared tho, so that's good.
I would love to play Wes more at the 4. Problem is our guards are so awful. Quite the pickle.
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some of yall need to downgrade your sources
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:lol:
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Schemed
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Guys, I got punked hard
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i wish i'd actually watched some of those House Party movies so I could make some Kid n Play jokes.
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I hope he gets really healthy soon though. We need him to score.