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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: cfbandyman on December 17, 2014, 07:39:19 AM
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I miss you
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12034155/south-carolina-coach-frank-martin-learned-valuable-lessons-working-bouncer-miami-nightclubs
(though we all already knew all of this, when he makes the front page of the bball on espn, it makes me :cry: )
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I am just glad he moved far away to nowheresville. Would really hurt if it was a place on tv often.
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I haven't seen South Carolina play other than once or twice since he took over. I know a lot of national media basketball folks think he is a year or two away still from contending for an NCAA birth.
Good for Frank. I will always miss his interactions with Robot Stan the most.
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#Sociopath
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Frank>>Weber
Frank=Stud=Recruiter=Toughness
Weber=Vagina
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Frank>>Weber
Frank=Stud=Recruiter=Toughness
Weber=Vagina
Frank = loser
Weber-Big 12 Titles- 1> Frank-Big 12 Titles- 0
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some guys just cant hack it at ksu. the mentally tough become legends at ksu. those that cant hack it might have a shot putting up some decent wins at a mid major.
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currie doesn't have to persuade anyone to stay. That's why he's a pretty good AD
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i've always been a fan of how classy and respectful currie has been even in situations that should clearly annoy the hell out of him. I certainly don't mind a reference to a quitter being called a quitter.
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I miss you
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12034155/south-carolina-coach-frank-martin-learned-valuable-lessons-working-bouncer-miami-nightclubs
(though we all already knew all of this, when he makes the front page of the bball on espn, it makes me :cry: )
are you serious? It is an honor to coach at ksu and currie should not have to talk anyone in to staying or coaching hard.
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Nice Frankamp posts, 'clams :thumbs:
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frank was an awful recruiter.
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Nice Frankamp posts, 'clams :thumbs:
i like to continually point out how much the same but different we are #diversity #stevenbiko
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Nice Frankamp posts, 'clams :thumbs:
i like to continually point out how much the same but different we are #diversity #stevenbiko
What is it you are always saying... plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose, oui?
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non
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Efff Frank. But Underwood tho. :love: :love: :love:
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underwood is great where he is, don't let your hate for oscar cloud your otherwise spongiform laden brain
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Nice Frankamp posts, 'clams :thumbs:
oooh
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The Frank hate on this board always makes me laugh.
Bunch of people think he's a bum that didn't deserve to coach, but are mad when he leaves.
Maybe he he was unhappy because the guy is a competitor and wants to see what could happen if he gets players elsewhere? You only get to live life once. You're not going to get to go follow Huggins and coach Beasley again. Some people don't like dealing with Currie for 5 years and don't care what a bunch of anonymous internet trolls think.
Currie and the rest of you should just forget about Frank. If he's as horrible as everyone has been saying for weeks then I don't see how he is even relevant in the discussion at k-state.
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:surprised:
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Nice Frankamp posts, 'clams :thumbs:
oooh
#checkthephog
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I nailed mine.
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like when frank nailed your face? #thoughtso
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like when frank nailed your face? #thoughtso
You're just mad because I bruced your ass. Took your stuff and did better with it. You done been bruced, son! :cool:
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I will admit that at times USCe doesn't look like a complete and total cluster rough rider out there this year.
But I'm still not sold on an Undieless Frank.
Too bad no one gives a $hit at USCe and he's still one more Frankrage on TV away from getting canned.
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Omg commando frank
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I don't have a problem with anyone who dislikes Frank. The biggest reason anyone here ever liked him is that he was at K-State. That reason no longer holds. And there are reasons not to like him. For example, his abusiveness is pretty much indefensible.
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Because he is undieless! Lol
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Frank = loser
Weber-Big 12 Titles- 1> Frank-Big 12 Titles- 0
pfft... Big 12 BB titles are worthless unless part of a Titletown trifecta. I would trade 5 for 1 tourny run like we had in 2010.
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The Frank hate on this board always makes me laugh.
Bunch of people think he's a bum that didn't deserve to coach, but are mad when he leaves.
Maybe he he was unhappy because the guy is a competitor and wants to see what could happen if he gets players elsewhere? You only get to live life once. You're not going to get to go follow Huggins and coach Beasley again. Some people don't like dealing with Currie for 5 years and don't care what a bunch of anonymous internet trolls think.
Currie and the rest of you should just forget about Frank. If he's as horrible as everyone has been saying for weeks then I don't see how he is even relevant in the discussion at k-state.
Hey man I think it's only like dax, wacky, and steffy :dunno:
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Omg commando frank
good
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The Frank hate on this board always makes me laugh.
Bunch of people think he's a bum that didn't deserve to coach, but are mad when he leaves.
Maybe he he was unhappy because the guy is a competitor and wants to see what could happen if he gets players elsewhere? You only get to live life once. You're not going to get to go follow Huggins and coach Beasley again. Some people don't like dealing with Currie for 5 years and don't care what a bunch of anonymous internet trolls think.
Currie and the rest of you should just forget about Frank. If he's as horrible as everyone has been saying for weeks then I don't see how he is even relevant in the discussion at k-state.
Hey man I think it's only like dax, wacky, and steffy :dunno:
That's some guy on the phog talking about connor frankamp.
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The Frank hate on this board always makes me laugh.
Bunch of people think he's a bum that didn't deserve to coach, but are mad when he leaves.
Maybe he he was unhappy because the guy is a competitor and wants to see what could happen if he gets players elsewhere? You only get to live life once. You're not going to get to go follow Huggins and coach Beasley again. Some people don't like dealing with Currie for 5 years and don't care what a bunch of anonymous internet trolls think.
Currie and the rest of you should just forget about Frank. If he's as horrible as everyone has been saying for weeks then I don't see how he is even relevant in the discussion at k-state.
Hey man I think it's only like dax, wacky, and steffy :dunno:
That's some guy on the phog talking about connor frankamp.
:ROFL:
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He rages just as much and maybe more because they suck.
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I don't hate Frank, I am just amazed on how much adulation the guy gets on this board when he didn't put a single trophy of significance in the trophy case. His tenure was slightly above Lon Kruger's tenure, and unlike Lon he walked into the head coaches offices and sat down with Mike Beasley and Bill Walker sitting on the other side of the desk courtesy of Bob Huggins. At the end, his recruiting absolutely blew.
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dax, he coached the best basketball teams of 90% of this board's lifetimes as fans and did so in a personally and nationally-exciting and energizing manner
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dax, he coached the best basketball teams of 90% of this board's lifetimes as fans and did so in a personally and nationally-exciting and energizing manner
This is true and then he did what nearly every coach at K-State has done whenever they had their "pinnacle" season . . . didn't build it on it, and wanted even more money. 20-14 in conference play the next 2 years, finishing 3rd and 5th. Oh, but he coached in an "exciting manner".
Once again, here's the list of "outstanding" recruits Frank compiled coming off his pinnacle season:
Juevol "Franked" Myles, Freddy "Franked" Asprilla, Shane "slightly above average" Southwell, Will "White Lightning" Spradling, Nino "kinda always lost" Williams, Adrian "but he's got upside!" Diaz, Thomas "pretty good" Gipson, Jeremy "Franked (or was it oscar'd) Jones, Omari "the flailer" Lawrence, Angel "ArT . . . the FP" Rodriquez, James "Franken oscar'd" Watson.
So one truly legit high major stud, one serviceable mid to high major semi-stud, and then a bunch of guys who at best were low D1 or Washburn types.
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USC is still dogshit and won't make the tourney, so there's that.'Grats Frank, you might get these guys to sniff the tourney within 6 years. :slowclap:
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dax, he coached the best basketball teams of 90% of this board's lifetimes as fans and did so in a personally and nationally-exciting and energizing manner
This is true and then he did what nearly every coach at K-State has done whenever they had their "pinnacle" season . . . didn't build it on it, and wanted even more money. 20-14 in conference play the next 2 years, finishing 3rd and 5th. Oh, but he coached in an "exciting manner".
Once again, here's the list of "outstanding" recruits Frank compiled coming off his pinnacle season:
Juevol "Franked" Myles, Freddy "Franked" Asprilla, Shane "slightly above average" Southwell, Will "White Lightning" Spradling, Nino "kinda always lost" Williams, Adrian "but he's got upside!" Diaz, Thomas "pretty good" Gipson, Jeremy "Franked (or was it oscar'd) Jones, Omari "the flailer" Lawrence, Angel "ArT . . . the FP" Rodriquez, James "Franken oscar'd" Watson.
So one truly legit high major stud, one serviceable mid to high major semi-stud, and then a bunch of guys who at best were low D1 or Washburn types.
Yep
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Frank = loser
Weber-Big 12 Titles- 1> Frank-Big 12 Titles- 0
pfft... Big 12 BB titles are worthless unless part of a Titletown trifecta. I would trade 5 for 1 tourny run like we had in 2010.
You're extremely dumb.
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I don't hate frank. I think he's a hypocritical jackass, but I don't hate him.
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Before I blow a gasket, I wnat to state I am excited Weber is our coach. He is more like the great coaches of the past at KSU. I think his upside value is far greater than Frank. Frank was kept so Beasley and other Huggins recruits would stay. There is work to be done yet this year that might get done since we have a coach who knows the college game instead of a dynamic hollerer and cusser. Weber has had to deal with transfers and injuries, and has done well. I miss Angel more.
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Frank = loser
Weber-Big 12 Titles- 1> Frank-Big 12 Titles- 0
pfft... Big 12 BB titles are worthless unless part of a Titletown trifecta. I would trade 5 for 1 tourny run like we had in 2010.
You're extremely dumb.
Which season would you choose?
1) Big12 co-champ, #4 seed, first round loss
2) Big12 runner up, #2 seed, elite 8, winning one if the greatest tourney games in a decade
Option 2 was several times more enjoyable and satisfying as a fan, so I would trade several of the Option 1 seasons to get it. I can't imagine that I'm in the minority on this.
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That elite 8's fumes have ran out. He was declining after that and losing the players that kept him relevant for getting hired. We hang big 12 championship banners, so I'll definitely take that. Frank hasn't done crap at USC and somehow ppl on here are still drooling over him. Get over it!
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I don't know, Wacky. Those games and that run were magic. I want a final 4 so bad. I don't even care about Big 12 titles anymore.
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Frank = loser
Weber-Big 12 Titles- 1> Frank-Big 12 Titles- 0
pfft... Big 12 BB titles are worthless unless part of a Titletown trifecta. I would trade 5 for 1 tourny run like we had in 2010.
You're extremely dumb.
Which season would you choose?
1) Big12 co-champ, #4 seed, first round loss
2) Big12 runner up, #2 seed, elite 8, winning one if the greatest tourney games in a decade
Option 2 was several times more enjoyable and satisfying as a fan, so I would trade several of the Option 1 seasons to get it. I can't imagine that I'm in the minority on this.
I'm sure a lot of dumbasses would agree with that. The problem is just that it's a false ultimatum. It is a completely contrived scenario with no possible application in Realville, where Rush and the rest of us live. To illustrate the point, let me ask this question. On balance, which of these two teams has a better chance of making a deep tornament run?
Team A - Won or shared the Big 12 conference title. Beat as many or more conference teams than anyone else did in a true round robin format.
Team B - Did not win or share the Big 12 conference title. Lost more conference games than one or more other teams did in a true round robin format.
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:clap:
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We'd have won the big 12 'ship in frank's first year of exile regardless of coach. The only reason we didn't win it outright was oscar giving sprads minutes over martavious in the stillwater game.
Both big 12 'ships and deep tourney runs are products of putting good players on the court.
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dax, he coached the best basketball teams of 90% of this board's lifetimes as fans and did so in a personally and nationally-exciting and energizing manner
This is true and then he did what nearly every coach at K-State has done whenever they had their "pinnacle" season . . . didn't build it on it, and wanted even more money. 20-14 in conference play the next 2 years, finishing 3rd and 5th. Oh, but he coached in an "exciting manner".
Once again, here's the list of "outstanding" recruits Frank compiled coming off his pinnacle season:
Juevol "Franked" Myles, Freddy "Franked" Asprilla, Shane "slightly above average" Southwell, Will "White Lightning" Spradling, Nino "kinda always lost" Williams, Adrian "but he's got upside!" Diaz, Thomas "pretty good" Gipson, Jeremy "Franked (or was it oscar'd) Jones, Omari "the flailer" Lawrence, Angel "ArT . . . the FP" Rodriquez, James "Franken oscar'd" Watson.
So one truly legit high major stud, one serviceable mid to high major semi-stud, and then a bunch of guys who at best were low D1 or Washburn types.
So pretty much until 2009-10 is equaled or surpassed, for fans like me, it will be their favorite team in KSU hoops history. Frank was the coach. He was hilarious and pissed off other fans.
I'd love another coach to give us a 2010ish season, maybe even 2 of them.
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Frank lost a lot of big 12 games he had no business in losing. Iowa State and Oklahoma State at home, etc. I'm not so sure Frank would have won the conference that year, but I know you love him Trim & hate oscar, so do what you want.
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The Traject-O-Meter was headed down for Frank, that's why he bailed, and it's heading down for oscar.
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Frank lost a lot of big 12 games he had no business in losing. Iowa State and Oklahoma State at home, etc. I'm not so sure Frank would have won the conference that year, but I know you love him Trim & hate oscar, so do what you want.
Don't talk to me.
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I'm not arguing the direction the program was heading under Frank and whether he should still be here. All I'm saying is Wacky's belief that Weber is better than Frank because of one Big12 title is crap because Frank's best season was better than Weber's best to date. And that team was much better and was more likely to make a run, just look at their seeding.
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Frank lost a lot of big 12 games he had no business in losing. Iowa State and Oklahoma State at home, etc. I'm not so sure Frank would have won the conference that year, but I know you love him Trim & hate oscar, so do what you want.
Don't talk to me.
Jesus, you're the worst.
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The Traject-O-Meter was headed down for Frank, that's why he bailed, and it's heading down for oscar.
yeah and it sucks. this sucks.
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I'm not arguing the direction the program was heading under Frank and whether he should still be here. All I'm saying is Wacky's belief that Weber is better than Frank because of one Big12 title is crap because Frank's best season was better than Weber's best to date. And that team was much better and was more likely to make a run, just look at their seeding.
I never said Weber was better. I think this program was on the decline, whether it was Frank here or Weber.
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I'm not arguing the direction the program was heading under Frank and whether he should still be here. All I'm saying is Wacky's belief that Weber is better than Frank because of one Big12 title is crap because Frank's best season was better than Weber's best to date. And that team was much better and was more likely to make a run, just look at their seeding.
I never said Weber was better.
Frank = loser
Weber-Big 12 Titles- 1> Frank-Big 12 Titles- 0
:ck:
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I stated that Weber had won a conference and has been winning, while Frank Martin has been getting his crap kicked in. Not much else to see here.
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:lol:
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It took a fluke loss (KU @WVU) for Weber to "earn" his Big XII Championship because he couldn't earn it with his coaching or by winning.
oscar's excuse on why this year's team is a shitshow should be because Frank didn't recruit well enough. I like it.
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Both of oscar's teams have had the worst starts in like 10+ years. Does anyone feel like this team will rattle off 10 straight wins this year?
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It took a fluke loss (KU @WVU) for Weber to "earn" his Big XII Championship because he couldn't earn it with his coaching or by winning.
oscar's excuse on why this year's team is a shitshow should be because Frank didn't recruit well enough. I like it.
It was actually @Baylor, but yeah, you got this crap.
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Hating on oscar for what this team is doing now is warranted and deserved, but discounting a league title for your own school because you don't like the coach seems really dumb.
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Hating on oscar for what this team is doing now is warranted and deserved, but discounting a league title for your own school because you don't like the coach seems really dumb.
That might be the saddest thing about all of this. The best two years in 'modern' KSU BBall are downplayed from either side. The ones who dislike Frank crap on the elite 8 run, and those who bemoan the hiring of oscar run down the league title.
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Big XII Championship was fun for me because I started to think that oscar may not drive this thing into the ground. Now that it looks like we're completely crumbling, that season has lost some of its luster for me personally. I'm not going to trash that season, it was fun at the time, but I don't think it will be remembered nearly as fondly as the E8 run.
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Hating on oscar for what this team is doing now is warranted and deserved, but discounting a league title for your own school because you don't like the coach seems really dumb.
THIS!
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Hating on oscar for what this team is doing now is warranted and deserved, but discounting a league title for your own school because you don't like the coach seems really dumb.
That might be the saddest thing about all of this. The best two years in 'modern' KSU BBall are downplayed from either side. The ones who dislike Frank crap on the elite 8 run, and those who bemoan the hiring of oscar run down the league title.
Yeah, its strange. I guess I'm one of the few that count the Elite 8 and the Big 12 title as the best 2 K-State basketball seasons I've experienced. To me K-State basketball has always been bigger than the coach whether I like him or not. I really liked Frank a lot and the brand he meant for K-State while he was here and it was a lot of fun, but he's never coming back. Granted, I'll pay more attention to what he does than some other SEC basketball coach, but I'm not going to care that much either way about his successes or failures.
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oscar and Frank both have obvious flaws. I think at the end of the day they are similar quality in coaching and both are going to be super dependent on who their assistants are.
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Both the league title and elite 8 run have gotten us jack @%#$
I mean eff, ART LEFT after a title.
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Both the league title and elite 8 run have gotten us jack @%#$
I mean eff, ART LEFT after a title.
What does winning anything get us?
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Both the league title and elite 8 run have gotten us jack @%#$
I mean eff, ART LEFT after a title.
What does winning anything get us?
The Big 12 'ship got us a really fun night of partying. That was a very mood-swingy day. Plus, Titletown.
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winning gets me excited, and i can tell you the E8 run was more fun than the conference champy, but i enjoyed both tremendously and would enjoy either one if it happened again
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Hating on oscar for what this team is doing now is warranted and deserved, but discounting a league title for your own school because you don't like the coach seems really dumb.
That might be the saddest thing about all of this. The best two years in 'modern' KSU BBall are downplayed from either side. The ones who dislike Frank crap on the elite 8 run, and those who bemoan the hiring of oscar run down the league title.
Yeah, its strange. I guess I'm one of the few that count the Elite 8 and the Big 12 title as the best 2 K-State basketball seasons I've experienced. To me K-State basketball has always been bigger than the coach whether I like him or not. I really liked Frank a lot and the brand he meant for K-State while he was here and it was a lot of fun, but he's never coming back. Granted, I'll pay more attention to what he does than some other SEC basketball coach, but I'm not going to care that much either way about his successes or failures.
I don't think we should downplay either of those two years, we should just understand them for what they are. The E8 run was the best year of Kansas State basketball since 1988 even though we may have not won the conf. title. Weber's conf. title year was awesome, but it was Frank's talent, which is why it is tough to swallow as we now experience the decline of the Weber controlled program.
We all know Frank is not coming back, but that is not the point. The point is that our AD mumped this up.
Frank's ceiling at KSU was higher than oscar's is. I just don't see how that can be argued any other way, at least if you have a decent understanding of what is necessary to win in Manhattan. Some of you are just damn fools and I've accepted that - obviously, _fan and chingon not included in this category.
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Frank peaked. He was declining and he still is. Enjoy it for what it was.
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Hating on oscar for what this team is doing now is warranted and deserved, but discounting a league title for your own school because you don't like the coach seems really dumb.
That might be the saddest thing about all of this. The best two years in 'modern' KSU BBall are downplayed from either side. The ones who dislike Frank crap on the elite 8 run, and those who bemoan the hiring of oscar run down the league title.
Yeah, its strange. I guess I'm one of the few that count the Elite 8 and the Big 12 title as the best 2 K-State basketball seasons I've experienced. To me K-State basketball has always been bigger than the coach whether I like him or not. I really liked Frank a lot and the brand he meant for K-State while he was here and it was a lot of fun, but he's never coming back. Granted, I'll pay more attention to what he does than some other SEC basketball coach, but I'm not going to care that much either way about his successes or failures.
I don't think we should downplay either of those two years, we should just understand them for what they are. The E8 run was the best year of Kansas State basketball since 1988 even though we may have not won the conf. title. Weber's conf. title year was awesome, but it was Frank's talent, which is why it is tough to swallow as we now experience the decline of the Weber controlled program.
We all know Frank is not coming back, but that is not the point. The point is that our AD mumped this up.
Frank's ceiling at KSU was higher than oscar's is. I just don't see how that can be argued any other way, at least if you have a decent understanding of what is necessary to win in Manhattan. Some of you are just damn fools and I've accepted that - obviously, _fan and chingon not included in this category.
Absolutely false, Frank and Underwood were a high floor staff. They could handle a lot of roster turnover really well. Underwood is a big part of the equation.
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Frank wasn't declining. Dax and wacky repeating this over and over doesn't make it true. How many times do we have to go over this?
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You guys ignore the fact that we SHARED a Big 12 title to a team that kicked our crap in 3 times. It wasn't that great and to me, it didn't really feel like a Big 12 title.
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wacky used to cover high school basketball, so excuse me if I go #teamwacky on this one
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:facepalm:
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Also, I think I can hate that oscar was hired but still acknowledge that he did a great job his first year and signing Foster
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Frank would have kept the ship a float, but he was starting to have a few leaks, and was going to spend a lot of time trying to patch it up and push the water overboard. His recruiting was so, so. Angel was great tho.
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Hating on oscar for what this team is doing now is warranted and deserved, but discounting a league title for your own school because you don't like the coach seems really dumb.
That might be the saddest thing about all of this. The best two years in 'modern' KSU BBall are downplayed from either side. The ones who dislike Frank crap on the elite 8 run, and those who bemoan the hiring of oscar run down the league title.
Yeah, its strange. I guess I'm one of the few that count the Elite 8 and the Big 12 title as the best 2 K-State basketball seasons I've experienced. To me K-State basketball has always been bigger than the coach whether I like him or not. I really liked Frank a lot and the brand he meant for K-State while he was here and it was a lot of fun, but he's never coming back. Granted, I'll pay more attention to what he does than some other SEC basketball coach, but I'm not going to care that much either way about his successes or failures.
I don't think we should downplay either of those two years, we should just understand them for what they are. The E8 run was the best year of Kansas State basketball since 1988 even though we may have not won the conf. title. Weber's conf. title year was awesome, but it was Frank's talent, which is why it is tough to swallow as we now experience the decline of the Weber controlled program.
We all know Frank is not coming back, but that is not the point. The point is that our AD mumped this up.
Frank's ceiling at KSU was higher than oscar's is. I just don't see how that can be argued any other way, at least if you have a decent understanding of what is necessary to win in Manhattan. Some of you are just damn fools and I've accepted that - obviously, _fan and chingon not included in this category.
Absolutely false, Frank and Underwood were a high floor staff. They could handle a lot of roster turnover really well. Underwood is a big part of the equation.
Point taken about Underwood. That's valid.
Frank's class coming to Columbia, SC next season is looking talented. He could've done the same in Manhattan.
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Also, I think I can hate that oscar was hired but still acknowledge that he did a great job his first year and signing Foster
This.
Thank you. Some sanity prevails.
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Since he's been there, all his classes "have looked talented", but he hasn't cracked that code, yet!
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Believe Franks class and oscar's class are very similar next year. People will eventually figure out how talent The Flush is. Both PF prospects are in the same realm of talent.
One thing about oscar's brand of basketball is that it tends to be boring.
At the end of the day I want underwood in 5 years. He will bring back the excitement. I think he could be the best of the three.
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Frank would have kept the ship a float, but he was starting to have a few leaks, and was going to spend a lot of time trying to patch it up and push the water overboard. His recruiting was so, so. Angel was great tho.
What were the leaks? His recruiting was improving.
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Believe Franks class and oscar's class are very similar next year. People will eventually figure out how talent The Flush is. Both PF prospects are in the same realm of talent.
One thing about oscar's brand of basketball is that it tends to be boring.
At the end of the day I want underwood in 5 years. He will bring back the excitement. I think he could be the best of the three.
I'm sure Barry is great and everything but this conversation exists because the current great players on oscar's team don't seem to want to play/lead for their coach/team anymore. That's why this season is a dumpster fire. We have talented players who aren't operating anywhere near their potential. Frank gets love because he can at least coach someone up. If a coach can't do that, especially in the presence of talent, they need to stop effing the fanbase, be respectable and move on to something else in life.
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See? not declining
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Worst case we lose Will, keep angel and frank. Would take.
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Worst case we lose Will, keep angel and frank. Would take.
We would of lost Angel a year earlier. Shane and Nino would of been franked. Will would of transferred.
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Worst case we lose Will, keep angel and frank. Would take.
We would of lost Angel a year earlier. Shane and Nino would of been franked. Will would of transferred.
Where the eff do you guys come up with this crap?
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oscar webber would of one the title with angle last year, fact
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oscar webber would of one the title with angle last year, fact
Would of, could of, should of...
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Guys, what if Frank realizes how much we loved him and that he made a huge mistake and wants to come back to us?
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Hating on oscar for what this team is doing now is warranted and deserved, but discounting a league title for your own school because you don't like the coach seems really dumb.
That might be the saddest thing about all of this. The best two years in 'modern' KSU BBall are downplayed from either side. The ones who dislike Frank crap on the elite 8 run, and those who bemoan the hiring of oscar run down the league title.
Yeah, its strange. I guess I'm one of the few that count the Elite 8 and the Big 12 title as the best 2 K-State basketball seasons I've experienced. To me K-State basketball has always been bigger than the coach whether I like him or not. I really liked Frank a lot and the brand he meant for K-State while he was here and it was a lot of fun, but he's never coming back. Granted, I'll pay more attention to what he does than some other SEC basketball coach, but I'm not going to care that much either way about his successes or failures.
I don't think we should downplay either of those two years, we should just understand them for what they are. The E8 run was the best year of Kansas State basketball since 1988 even though we may have not won the conf. title. Weber's conf. title year was awesome, but it was Frank's talent, which is why it is tough to swallow as we now experience the decline of the Weber controlled program.
We all know Frank is not coming back, but that is not the point. The point is that our AD mumped this up.
Frank's ceiling at KSU was higher than oscar's is. I just don't see how that can be argued any other way, at least if you have a decent understanding of what is necessary to win in Manhattan. Some of you are just damn fools and I've accepted that - obviously, _fan and chingon not included in this category.
I really don't disagree with much of that. I think Frank deserves at least a portion of the blame for not being able to work with Currie though.
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O rly? Would he of?
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Guys, what if Frank realizes how much we loved him and that he made a huge mistake and wants to come back to us?
We would need less tramitizing games like Florida on the road, he would need to understand how to develop talent that he didn't fall into, he would need to apologize, and need to take a major pay cut. Cause at the rate he's going, it will take him awhile to get his crap together again. Or we could hire underwood and he could be his assistant and wear a dunce cap the whole time, but only on those terms.
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Frank would have kept the ship a float, but he was starting to have a few leaks, and was going to spend a lot of time trying to patch it up and push the water overboard. His recruiting was so, so. Angel was great tho.
What were the leaks? His recruiting was improving.
His offensive schemes were struggling once Pullen left. He struggled in managing "his own players" at times. Also, Pullens last year was an embarrassment under his watch. He totally mismanaged that season. Also, he crumbled once Currie called him out on the Samuels issue. He pointed fingers, instead of taking acceptance. Totally against what he preached. He had to rely on Underwood to take over the offense. He had a lot of team issues in house and his recruits were underwhelming. We almost had moose for Christ sakes who is shameful for USC. He panicked and jumped ship cause times were getting tough and he thought his boss was a meany for playing by the rule book. :Ugh:
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He preached toughness, but couldn't do it in his daily life routine.
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Emotionally Frank is better off being a nomad coach. It isn't our problem.
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Frank would have kept the ship a float, but he was starting to have a few leaks, and was going to spend a lot of time trying to patch it up and push the water overboard. His recruiting was so, so. Angel was great tho.
What were the leaks? His recruiting was improving.
His offensive schemes were struggling once Pullen left. He struggled in managing "his own players" at times. Also, Pullens last year was an embarrassment under his watch. He totally mismanaged that season. Also, he crumbled once Currie called him out on the Samuels issue. He pointed fingers, instead of taking acceptance. Totally against what he preached. He had to rely on Underwood to take over the offense. He had a lot of team issues in house and his recruits were underwhelming. We almost had moose for Christ sakes who is shameful for USC. He panicked and jumped ship cause times were getting tough and he thought his boss was a meany for playing by the rule book. :Ugh:
He had one year after Pullen left and the offense was about the same (see ching's graph). Letting Underwood take over the offense was an AWESOME move. His recruiting was improving - beat out good teams for Angel and Upshaw. You're right about him kinda being a pussy about leaving, though.
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Whatever. I hope that Brad gets the chance to come home.
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Worst case we lose Will, keep angel and frank. Would take.
We would of lost Angel a year earlier. Shane and Nino would of been franked. Will would of transferred.
Where the eff do you guys come up with this crap?
Leticia Romero's statement about Angel puts Franks departure in a new light, it indicates the KSU AD isn't on the up and up when it comes to granting transfers to the atheletes it wants to keep. If Art or anyone else did want a transfer under Frank, Currie basically had to grant it on the grounds that Frank was/is a maniac. However, letting Frank go could give the athletic department much more leverage to retain good players on the grounds they "try it out" for at least a season. We know with certainty Shane and Will were gone if Frank stayed. If Art was ready to get out Frank's departure may very well have let Currie get one more year out of him.
I think anyone who believes Frank could have stayed at KSU more than one year max is being a bit naive, and again, if losing half the roster was the price it wouldn't have been worth it (for the record I love Frank). I don't like John Currie, but bringing in a new coach at that moment may have been the wisest possible decision and that's what he did. That said, as long as he's the guy hiring coaches I think we're screwed.
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:facepalm:
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When you have reservations about whether K-State's best coach in decades can keep it going, combined with oscar WEBER having just been fired into the open market, it's really a no-brainer to make that move.
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If it's meant to be, he'll come back.
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Hating on oscar for what this team is doing now is warranted and deserved, but discounting a league title for your own school because you don't like the coach seems really dumb.
That might be the saddest thing about all of this. The best two years in 'modern' KSU BBall are downplayed from either side. The ones who dislike Frank crap on the elite 8 run, and those who bemoan the hiring of oscar run down the league title.
Yeah, its strange. I guess I'm one of the few that count the Elite 8 and the Big 12 title as the best 2 K-State basketball seasons I've experienced. To me K-State basketball has always been bigger than the coach whether I like him or not. I really liked Frank a lot and the brand he meant for K-State while he was here and it was a lot of fun, but he's never coming back. Granted, I'll pay more attention to what he does than some other SEC basketball coach, but I'm not going to care that much either way about his successes or failures.
Forgive my language, but all of three of these posts are total bullshit. No one is discounting a Big 12 title and there isn't a defined line on this board of people who love Frank and hate oscar and will never accept him. There is nothing wrong with stating that you enjoyed the Elite 8 year better than the conference championship year. I mean the regular seasons and Big 12 tournament were identical, but K-State didn't lose at home to ISU in '13 and Kansas didn't gag the last night of the '10 season. The lasting impression or each season was a run to the Elite 8 in '10 and what essentially was a home loss to Lasalle in '13. So if you're asking what people are going to prefer, of course they will trade a home win against McNeck's ISU team to all that came with the Elite 8 run. No one is giving back that Big 12 trophy but we all know what it was, right? Let's not pretend that was some awe-inspiring feat.
The only people drawing lines are wacky and dax, it happens time after time after time. We can't talk about the guy who was the most successful basketball coach in our basketball watching lifetimes here because two posters have been having a three year long temper tantrum. Why won't you guys just call them out for being ass hats instead of pretending like the posters on this board fit on two sides of a line that exclude the two of you? I have literally yet to see the poster on here advocate for giving that Big 12 championship back. I'm guessing it would have been looked more favorably upon if we didn't lose the day we won it, KU didn't kick our asses three times, and we didn't have to rely on Baylor after everyone had given up hope.
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oscar webber would of one the title with angle last year, fact
Would of, could of, should of...
Unbelievable
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Right before my post was this one, I just didn't quote it. It seems a lot like saying the league title was pretty worthless mostly because EMAWican doesn't like oscar.
It took a fluke loss (KU @WVU) for Weber to "earn" his Big XII Championship because he couldn't earn it with his coaching or by winning.
Also, I never said anyone should enjoy one over the other. I thought the Elite 8 was more fun than the league title as well, but winning the league even under the circumstances was fun because it hasn't happened in so long. The disappointing part of that season for me was getting La Salled.
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I enjoyed the Big XII championship and wasn't critical of oscar that year until after La Salle. You're right that I don't like oscar at KSU FANman. After that year I realized how much of a losery way it was to win a Dr. Pepper, in my opinion. The Elite 8 run was tangible in that I could be a part of the games, and winning determined the end result. Yes, oscar's team was enjoyable to watch that year, but at the end it left a metallic taste in my mouth that we had to rely on another team to give us a Dr. P because we couldn't take it for ourselves. And co-champs with a team that we couldn't even beat once just makes that metallic taste progress into a stroke.
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Frank would have kept the ship a float, but he was starting to have a few leaks, and was going to spend a lot of time trying to patch it up and push the water overboard. His recruiting was so, so. Angel was great tho.
What were the leaks? His recruiting was improving.
His offensive schemes were struggling once Pullen left. He struggled in managing "his own players" at times. Also, Pullens last year was an embarrassment under his watch. He totally mismanaged that season. Also, he crumbled once Currie called him out on the Samuels issue. He pointed fingers, instead of taking acceptance. Totally against what he preached. He had to rely on Underwood to take over the offense. He had a lot of team issues in house and his recruits were underwhelming. We almost had moose for Christ sakes who is shameful for USC. He panicked and jumped ship cause times were getting tough and he thought his boss was a meany for playing by the rule book. :Ugh:
He had one year after Pullen left and the offense was about the same (see ching's graph). Letting Underwood take over the offense was an AWESOME move. His recruiting was improving - beat out good teams for Angel and Upshaw. You're right about him kinda being a pussy about leaving, though.
Fair.
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I enjoyed the Big XII championship and wasn't critical of oscar that year until after La Salle. You're right that I don't like oscar at KSU FANman. After that year I realized how much of a losery way it was to win a Dr. Pepper, in my opinion. The Elite 8 run was tangible in that I could be a part of the games, and winning determined the end result. Yes, oscar's team was enjoyable to watch that year, but at the end it left a metallic taste in my mouth that we had to rely on another team to give us a Dr. P because we couldn't take it for ourselves. And co-champs with a team that we couldn't even beat once just makes that metallic taste progress into a stroke.
That's fair. I'm more patient than most, but I'm wavering on oscar as well.
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I enjoyed the Big XII championship and wasn't critical of oscar that year until after La Salle. You're right that I don't like oscar at KSU FANman. After that year I realized how much of a losery way it was to win a Dr. Pepper, in my opinion. The Elite 8 run was tangible in that I could be a part of the games, and winning determined the end result. Yes, oscar's team was enjoyable to watch that year, but at the end it left a metallic taste in my mouth that we had to rely on another team to give us a Dr. P because we couldn't take it for ourselves. And co-champs with a team that we couldn't even beat once just makes that metallic taste progress into a stroke.
That's fair. I'm more patient than most, but I'm wavering on oscar as well.
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I'm still stunned at cRusty's Robert Upshaw nail and hanging Frank's recruiting coat on it.
How many schools backed off because they knew they'd never get him in?
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I'm still stunned at cRusty's Robert Upshaw nail and hanging Frank's recruiting coat on it.
How many schools backed off because they knew they'd never get him in?
none
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Are we ready to call Robert Upshaw a good recruit tho? I mean, I know he's on the rise this year, but his numbers will be pretty comparable to Hurt.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/116424/
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Are we ready to call Robert Upshaw a good recruit tho?
yes
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Are we ready to call Robert Upshaw a good recruit tho? I mean, I know he's on the rise this year, but his numbers will be pretty comparable to Hurt.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/116424/
"It was heartbreaking," Sherman said. "We had taken our time to look for a perfect fit for Rob, and Kansas State was everything we were looking for. We were ready to move to Kansas. We were ready. It was frustrating when it happened because we were going to Kansas State because of Frank Martin. Once he left, we had to open the recruitment back up."
Good job, Frank! :thumbs:
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Are we ready to call Robert Upshaw a good recruit tho? I mean, I know he's on the rise this year, but his numbers will be pretty comparable to Hurt.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/116424/
upshaw leads the country in blocked shot %, hurt is the only ncaa player listed at 6'10" and over to not record a single blocked shot.
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No Upshaw home games while Gooch is in town next month. We could've worn Frank shirts and waved a pak head. :frown:
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Are we ready to call Robert Upshaw a good recruit tho? I mean, I know he's on the rise this year, but his numbers will be pretty comparable to Hurt.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/116424/
How are these in any way comparable to Hurt?
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=robert-upshaw&p1=stephen-hurt
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Are we ready to call Robert Upshaw a good recruit tho? I mean, I know he's on the rise this year, but his numbers will be pretty comparable to Hurt.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/116424/
How are these in any way comparable to Hurt?
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=robert-upshaw&p1=stephen-hurt
Cause Hurt hit a three. :gocho:
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i think the thing i dislike about fanning is that he doesn't seem to realize how stupid he is. how can he not know?
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rebounding rates are comparable
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i think the thing i dislike about fanning is that he doesn't seem to realize how stupid he is. how can he not know?
I think sometimes ppl take me too seriously on here. That might be the disconnection for some.
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No Upshaw home games while Gooch is in town next month. We could've worn Frank shirts and waved a pak head. :frown:
Hec Ed is a dump for the record, but it's our dump and I love seeing games there. We should go see the UW/UA game - or as I call it - the battle for pvegs' alumni donations.
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No Upshaw home games while Gooch is in town next month. We could've worn Frank shirts and waved a pak head. :frown:
Hec Ed is a dump for the record, but it's our dump and I love seeing games there. We should go see the UW/UA game - or as I call it - the battle for pvegs' alumni donations.
I'm in. FWIW, I have my own and an extra Frank shirt, along w/a pak head. Kemp's kid (insert lifted joke here) is dunking for them too, right?
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Right before my post was this one, I just didn't quote it. It seems a lot like saying the league title was pretty worthless mostly because EMAWican doesn't like oscar.
It took a fluke loss (KU @WVU) for Weber to "earn" his Big XII Championship because he couldn't earn it with his coaching or by winning.
Also, I never said anyone should enjoy one over the other. I thought the Elite 8 was more fun than the league title as well, but winning the league even under the circumstances was fun because it hasn't happened in so long. The disappointing part of that season for me was getting La Salled.
That championship was as asterisky as one can be, there's nothing wrong with pointing that out.
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I guess we can point out that our elite 8 run was pretty asterisky too. We played no one to get there. Sheesh.
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I guess we can point out that our elite 8 run was pretty asterisky too. We played no one to get there. Sheesh.
We played one of the best games in tourney history.
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We also didn't need someone else to lose for us to accomplish it.
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I guess we can point out that our elite 8 run was pretty asterisky too. We played no one to get there. Sheesh.
We played one of the best games in tourney history.
Vs a team we had already smashed in the regular season. Our body of work throughout the season won the conference. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Maybe KU should have won on the road at Baylor like we did? :dunno:
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I mean, I get it, you hate oscar. So you're going to downplay the title. You'd be bragging about it if it was under Frank.
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I mean, I get it, you hate oscar. So you're going to downplay the title. You'd be bragging about it if it was under Frank.
Oh come on. What is this, amateur hour? The Elite 8 year was tangible. You can point to game(s) on the schedule and say "that made the season." "I remember this game." "I was there in Oklahoma City for the BYU game." etc.
What can you say about the Big XII title year? (no Googling allowed) True, there were nice wins that year, but none memorable in conference. Well, you know golly gee shucks almighty, we should've won, but thank the good Lord that KU lost so we won it. I mean, crap, I point to the KU/Baylor game and say "that made the season." "I remember this game." Isn't that rough ridin' awful that's the one thing that sticks in my mind?
At the end of the day, I don't really give a crap because #3MAW, but gollygeewillakers.
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I guess a 3 pointer by McGruder at the buzzer to win @Baylor was OK, but what do I know? Sorry you couldn't enjoy it, emawican
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Hey @wackycat08, Frank and his new team are on SEC network right now. Thought you might want to watch. :)
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I guess a 3 pointer by McGruder at the buzzer to win @Baylor was OK, but what do I know? Sorry you couldn't enjoy it, emawican
This was top five or six in KSU Wildwildcat BB moments all time. very exciting.
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I guess a 3 pointer by McGruder at the buzzer to win @Baylor was OK, but what do I know? Sorry you couldn't enjoy it, emawican
This was top five or six in KSU Wildwildcat BB moments all time. very exciting.
Yes sir! Made up for the mishap @ Colorado the year before.
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Hey @wackycat08, Frank and his new team are on SEC network right now. Thought you might want to watch. :)
Thanks bud! :cheers:
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thank god that wasn't bottom five or six!
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Lol. @ ppl joining the frank train over a win vs Clemson. Dudes been shitting the bed since he left.
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wacky, I'll hand feed you your next post. check the Miami score
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wacky, I'll hand feed you your next post. check the Miami score
What did #BID'rs do these last two years? Cause I was too busy celebrating. Scoreboard shopping is a new thing for me. How do I do this? :dunno:
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wacky, whats wrong?
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We gathered kindling
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We gathered kindling
gooch is getting a new smoker, right on time
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I abandoned #BID and enjoyed some BB but am now back. Full circle type stuff. I want oscar to go up like a poorly stacked A&M bonfire.
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When the day is warm, and the shadows grow long, you must prepare for the flames in the cold night
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Who wins more basketball games this year, oscar or Frank? Will the winner be the first to 16?
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WGAF? oscar was handed a lambo. Frank was paid to get an old Cavalier running and able to go to the store and back.
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Igaf because the answer will determine which of these two crap coaches will win more games this year, its the most excitement a cat bball fan will have.
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is the metric as simple as games won?
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WGAF? oscar was handed a lambo. Frank was paid to get an old Cavalier running and able to go to the store and back.
This is true.
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I'm #bid but I'm not sure that's accurate
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Maybe not a lambo, but Def a really nice BMW.
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is the metric as simple as games won?
Yup
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I can't tell if this is one of those times where we are taking wacky too seriously or not. I would guess that he is jk and he actually agrees with us about frank
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Maybe not a lambo, but Def a really nice BMW.
Maybe a BMW that couldn't roll down its rear passenger window and had its check engine light on.
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I don't buy that. 1.no EMAW would be associated with a crap ride like that, 2.oscar mows his own lawn so there is no way he doesn't pay attention to gauges.
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Maybe not a lambo, but Def a really nice BMW.
Maybe a BMW that couldn't roll down its rear passenger window and had its check engine light on.
This was a great post.
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Maybe not a lambo, but Def a really nice BMW.
Maybe a BMW that couldn't roll down its rear passenger window and had its check engine light on.
This was a great post.
too obvious, imo
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Maybe not a lambo, but Def a really nice BMW.
Maybe a BMW that couldn't roll down its rear passenger window and had its check engine light on.
This was a great post.
too obvious, imo
Let wetwillie have his moment.
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No Upshaw home games while Gooch is in town next month. We could've worn Frank shirts and waved a pak head. :frown:
Hec Ed is a dump for the record, but it's our dump and I love seeing games there. We should go see the UW/UA game - or as I call it - the battle for pvegs' alumni donations.
I'm in. FWIW, I have my own and an extra Frank shirt, along w/a pak head. Kemp's kid (insert lifted joke here) is dunking for them too, right?
Awesome, I'll coordinate this. And yup, Kemp Jr plays and is finally a legit contributor.
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I can't tell if this is one of those times where we are taking wacky too seriously or not. I would guess that he is jk and he actually agrees with us about frank
I don't think anyone is taking him seriously at all, I don't see many replies to his batshit crazy posts ITT.
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I'm still stunned at cRusty's Robert Upshaw nail and hanging Frank's recruiting coat on it.
How many schools backed off because they knew they'd never get him in?
none
:lol:
Never stop FrankitecRusty
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WGAF? oscar was handed a lambo. Frank was paid to get an old Cavalier running and able to go to the store and back.
Frank was handed a Lambo at K-State and lost 12 games and got beat by Ginger land in the 2nd round.
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WGAF? oscar was handed a lambo. Frank was paid to get an old Cavalier running and able to go to the store and back.
Frank was handed a Lambo at K-State and lost 12 games and got beat by Ginger land in the 2nd round.
Yeah, a lambo that hadn't been to the NCAA tournament in a decade
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WGAF? oscar was handed a lambo. Frank was paid to get an old Cavalier running and able to go to the store and back.
Frank was handed a Lambo at K-State and lost 12 games and got beat by Ginger land in the 2nd round.
Yeah, a lambo that hadn't been to the NCAA tournament in a decade
When you sit down in the coaches chair for the first time and your predecessor left Mike Beasley and Bill Walker you've got it pretty good.
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No Upshaw home games while Gooch is in town next month. We could've worn Frank shirts and waved a pak head. :frown:
Hec Ed is a dump for the record, but it's our dump and I love seeing games there. We should go see the UW/UA game - or as I call it - the battle for pvegs' alumni donations.
I'm in. FWIW, I have my own and an extra Frank shirt, along w/a pak head. Kemp's kid (insert lifted joke here) is dunking for them too, right?
Awesome, I'll coordinate this. And yup, Kemp Jr plays and is finally a legit contributor.
Cool. I'd go to a non-'zona game too anytime it works. Gonna invite JMart too to make it an OGPNWPAK.
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WGAF? oscar was handed a lambo. Frank was paid to get an old Cavalier running and able to go to the store and back.
Frank was handed a Lambo at K-State and lost 12 games and got beat by Ginger land in the 2nd round.
Yeah, a lambo that hadn't been to the NCAA tournament in a decade
When you sit down in the coaches chair for the first time and your predecessor left Mike Beasley and Bill Walker you've got it pretty good.
No doubt. That was a fun season but we absolutely underachieved.
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WGAF? oscar was handed a lambo. Frank was paid to get an old Cavalier running and able to go to the store and back.
Frank was handed a Lambo at K-State and lost 12 games and got beat by Ginger land in the 2nd round.
Yeah, a lambo that hadn't been to the NCAA tournament in a decade
Plus Team Ginger was pretty damn experienced, good, and coached by a great.
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Hating on oscar for what this team is doing now is warranted and deserved, but discounting a league title for your own school because you don't like the coach seems really dumb.
That might be the saddest thing about all of this. The best two years in 'modern' KSU BBall are downplayed from either side. The ones who dislike Frank crap on the elite 8 run, and those who bemoan the hiring of oscar run down the league title.
Yeah, its strange. I guess I'm one of the few that count the Elite 8 and the Big 12 title as the best 2 K-State basketball seasons I've experienced. To me K-State basketball has always been bigger than the coach whether I like him or not. I really liked Frank a lot and the brand he meant for K-State while he was here and it was a lot of fun, but he's never coming back. Granted, I'll pay more attention to what he does than some other SEC basketball coach, but I'm not going to care that much either way about his successes or failures.
I don't think we should downplay either of those two years, we should just understand them for what they are. The E8 run was the best year of Kansas State basketball since 1988 even though we may have not won the conf. title. Weber's conf. title year was awesome, but it was Frank's talent, which is why it is tough to swallow as we now experience the decline of the Weber controlled program.
We all know Frank is not coming back, but that is not the point. The point is that our AD mumped this up.
Frank's ceiling at KSU was higher than oscar's is. I just don't see how that can be argued any other way, at least if you have a decent understanding of what is necessary to win in Manhattan. Some of you are just damn fools and I've accepted that - obviously, _fan and chingon not included in this category.
I really don't disagree with much of that. I think Frank deserves at least a portion of the blame for not being able to work with Currie though.
You're probably right about this, I am working with imperfect information, and Currie had no reason but to play his cards close to his vest.
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Wait are some people saying Angel didn't want to play for Frank and would have left if he stayed? I thought he left because Frank wasn't there anymore
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Wait are some people saying Angel didn't want to play for Frank and would have left if he stayed? I thought he left because Frank wasn't there anymore
Nobody is saying that about Angel. Closer than my peeps he was to Frank.
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Wait are some people saying Angel didn't want to play for Frank and would have left if he stayed? I thought he left because Frank wasn't there anymore
Neither is true. Angel said he was not getting away from oscar, he really wanted to go home. He said if he was running from oscar he would have left when Frank did.
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Wait are some people saying Angel didn't want to play for Frank and would have left if he stayed? I thought he left because Frank wasn't there anymore
Neither is true. Angel said he was not getting away from oscar, he really wanted to go home. He said if he was running from oscar he would have left when Frank did.
#acting
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I can't tell if this is one of those times where we are taking wacky too seriously or not. I would guess that he is jk and he actually agrees with us about frank
I don't think anyone is taking him seriously at all, I don't see many replies to his batshit crazy posts ITT.
That's not very nice, MIR.
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frank has gotten rough ridin' fat
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frank has gotten rough ridin' fat
Too many sanchos. He loves those things.
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frank has gotten rough ridin' fat
:sdeek:
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Wait are some people saying Angel didn't want to play for Frank and would have left if he stayed? I thought he left because Frank wasn't there anymore
Nobody is saying that about Angel. Closer than my peeps he was to Frank.
ha
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We gathered kindling
gooch is getting a new smoker, right on time
Pickup is set for tomorrow!!
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So Frank's going to load up on commie Cubans now. They still play basketball, no?
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Igaf because the answer will determine which of these two crap coaches will win more games this year, its the most excitement a cat bball fan will have.
Lord, this is sadly true. The smart money is on Frank. USC is clearly playing less crappity than KSU this year (not saying much). Honestly, USC seems to have gotten it going now after a lousy start. Plus Frank gets to play against all those other losery SEC teams while we get pounded by real teams in the Big 12.
Worst losses:
1. KSU v. Texas Southern
2. KSU @ Long Beach State
3. USC v. Akron (but not nearly as bad as our losses)
Best wins:
1. USC v. Oklahoma St.
2. KSU v. Texas A&M
3. USC v. Clemson
4. KSU losing to Arizona by 4
I'm a oscar fan, but he has to be fired after this year if this team doesn't improve. I mean, we're horrible.
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Hugs and Martin era had great memories, but they are gone. Its okay to wish them the best, but they will never wear purple again. And its fair to critisize Weber this year. My biggest beef is point guard play. Weber does well when he has decent guard play - Angel, Spradling. If we keep playing goofbutt Jevon, it will be a long season.
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Short of oscar doing something mind-blowingly bad, like not winning a game in conference play, he will not be fired after this year.
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goofbutt Jevon
:D
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Short of oscar doing something mind-blowingly bad, like not winning a game in conference play, he will not be fired after this year.
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Short of oscar doing something mind-blowingly bad, like not winning a game in conference play, he will not be fired after this year.
I believe in our ability to fail. Kenpom only favors us against Tech once. Guys, we can do this!
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I would pay an insane amount of money to see Frank run a timeout for this year's squad. It would be totally unreasonable and totally worth it.
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he would just stare at ppl and the message would be sent
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I would pay an insane amount of money to see Frank run a timeout for this year's squad. It would be totally unreasonable and totally worth it.
Yes.
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he probably would have beaten Nino to death after falling down on that freethrow.
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In fairy land "Frank is here" he wouldn't have to stare at either of our crap PG due to neither of these guys would be anywhere near Manhattan.
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I would pay an insane amount of money to see Frank run a timeout for this year's squad. It would be totally unreasonable and totally worth it.
I would enjoy this. Foster would be better for it.
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The Frank fappers are out in force.
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The Frank fappers are out in force.
Jesus Christ, this shtick is getting old. It's like a much less funny version of something FSD would do.
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Lol. @ ppl joining the frank train over a win vs Clemson. Dudes been shitting the bed since he left.
USC looking pretty good against Iowa State in Brooklyn, blew a 12 point lead though.
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:thumbs:
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Good win Frank.
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2-1 vs. the big 12 on the season.
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Good win Frank.
I hope we can beat Iowa State.
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Good win Frank.
I hope we can beat Iowa State.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnjrClaWdT0
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I hope to watch Frank coach in the tornament this year. It would make up for no cats.
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I hope to watch Frank coach in the tornament this year. It would make up for no cats.
http://www.keyarena.com/events/detail/ncaa-division-i-mens-basketball-championship
:pray:
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I hope to watch Frank coach in the tornament this year. It would make up for no cats.
Seeing him all over the coverage again, talking about how he transformed South Carolina will hurt. I'm happy for him but seeing him with a Gamecocks lapel pin on sitting on the panel second weekend of the tourney sitting up there with Greg Gumbel, Doug Gottlieb, and Seth Davis won't feel great.
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Man, I miss him
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We were so blessed. And then we weren't. :sad:
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Might be a little early to anoint Frank's Gamecocks as a tournament team. Iowa State played very poorly.
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Might be a little early to anoint Frank's Gamecocks as a tournament team. Iowa State played very poorly.
Yep, their defense had nothing to do with that at all. It's not like they were some offensive juggernaut. They need to finish around .500 in conference to get into the tournament and that won't be a problem. If it's too early to put them in the tournament you can say the same about ISU, there is very difference in the resumes, and they guard better than Iowa State does.
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Might be a little early to anoint Frank's Gamecocks as a tournament team. Iowa State played very poorly.
Yep, their defense had nothing to do with that at all. It's not like they were some offensive juggernaut. They need to finish around .500 in conference to get into the tournament and that won't be a problem. If it's too early to put them in the tournament you can say the same about ISU, there is very difference in the resumes, and they guard better than Iowa State does.
They'll need at least 11-7
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everyone that loses to frank team thinks they played worse than usual. It's great.
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everyone that loses to frank team thinks they played worse than usual. It's great.
yes, one of my favorite things about frank.
also LHC Bill Snyder
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Might be a little early to anoint Frank's Gamecocks as a tournament team. Iowa State played very poorly.
Yep, their defense had nothing to do with that at all. It's not like they were some offensive juggernaut. They need to finish around .500 in conference to get into the tournament and that won't be a problem. If it's too early to put them in the tournament you can say the same about ISU, there is very difference in the resumes, and they guard better than Iowa State does.
They'll need at least 11-7
So he needs to go 11/16 against teams not named kentucky. I forgot they lost back to back games against Charlotte and Akron. Seems like a pretty tough road.
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30 percent chance frank beats kentucky
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Not a chance.
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Might be a little early to anoint Frank's Gamecocks as a tournament team. Iowa State played very poorly.
Yep, their defense had nothing to do with that at all. It's not like they were some offensive juggernaut. They need to finish around .500 in conference to get into the tournament and that won't be a problem. If it's too early to put them in the tournament you can say the same about ISU, there is very difference in the resumes, and they guard better than Iowa State does.
They'll need at least 11-7
How do you figure? That's completely arbitrary. You can list any other school and give some mile post they have to reach. I'm guessing a power 6 school hasn't missed tournament since expansion with a 19-9 record and 10-6 in conference, with a too 40 rpi and top 30 wins. 20 wins stopped being a measure for the committee a very long time ago.
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everyone that loses to frank team thinks they played worse than usual. It's great.
yes, one of my favorite things about frank.
also LHC Bill Snyder
Great point. While the coaching style may be different (tho Snyder has had plenty of Franks as assistants), the teams perform in a similar manner.
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Might be a little early to anoint Frank's Gamecocks as a tournament team. Iowa State played very poorly.
Yep, their defense had nothing to do with that at all. It's not like they were some offensive juggernaut. They need to finish around .500 in conference to get into the tournament and that won't be a problem. If it's too early to put them in the tournament you can say the same about ISU, there is very difference in the resumes, and they guard better than Iowa State does.
They'll need at least 11-7
How do you figure? That's completely arbitrary. You can list any other school and give some mile post they have to reach. I'm guessing a power 6 school hasn't missed tournament since expansion with a 19-9 record and 10-6 in conference, with a too 40 rpi and top 30 wins. 20 wins stopped being a measure for the committee a very long time ago.
The SEC isn't that highly regarded as has been shown by the committee. They've had just one team finish the regular season ranked in the top 25 in each of the last two seasons. With Florida in the tank this season the league has lost its secondary marquee brand. There hasn't been a team with less than an 11-7/ .611 conference record make the tournament out of the SEC in the two seasons since they've went to the round robin schedule. Alabama made it in at 9-7 (.562) in 11-12. Three SEC teams — No. 1 Kentucky, No. 20 Vanderbilt and No. 25 Florida — finished the regular season ranked that year. There have been multiple instances of teams finishing 12-6 and missing the NCAA tournament out of the SEC in the last couple of years.
Edit: Perhaps the perception will be influenced by the league's strong performance in last season's NCAA tournament, but we won't find that out until later. The lack of SEC teams in the rankings this season says otherwise.
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The bracketology thread will be more fun this year with 3 teams to track.
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The bracketology thread will be more fun this year with 3 teams to track.
Miami, South Carolina and Stephen F. Austin?
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The bracketology thread will be more fun this year with 3 teams to track.
Miami, South Carolina and Stephen F. Austin?
Good point, nicname.
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The bracketology thread will be more fun this year with 3 teams to track.
Miami, South Carolina and Stephen F. Austin?
I forgot about SFA and was giving token bracketology tracking to EMAW.
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Might be a little early to anoint Frank's Gamecocks as a tournament team. Iowa State played very poorly.
Yep, their defense had nothing to do with that at all. It's not like they were some offensive juggernaut. They need to finish around .500 in conference to get into the tournament and that won't be a problem. If it's too early to put them in the tournament you can say the same about ISU, there is very difference in the resumes, and they guard better than Iowa State does.
They'll need at least 11-7
How do you figure? That's completely arbitrary. You can list any other school and give some mile post they have to reach. I'm guessing a power 6 school hasn't missed tournament since expansion with a 19-9 record and 10-6 in conference, with a too 40 rpi and top 30 wins. 20 wins stopped being a measure for the committee a very long time ago.
The SEC isn't that highly regarded as has been shown by the committee. They've had just one team finish the regular season ranked in the top 25 in each of the last two seasons. With Florida in the tank this season the league has lost its secondary marquee brand. There hasn't been a team with less than an 11-7/ .611 conference record make the tournament out of the SEC in the two seasons since they've went to the round robin schedule. Alabama made it in at 9-7 (.562) in 11-12. Three SEC teams — No. 1 Kentucky, No. 20 Vanderbilt and No. 25 Florida — finished the regular season ranked that year. There have been multiple instances of teams finishing 12-6 and missing the NCAA tournament out of the SEC in the last couple of years.
Edit: Perhaps the perception will be influenced by the league's strong performance in last season's NCAA tournament, but we won't find that out until later. The lack of SEC teams in the rankings this season says otherwise.
The committee doesn't track AP rankings, you know that. The SEC is currently the #3 rated RPI conference in front of the ACC, Big Ten, and Pac 12.
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Might be a little early to anoint Frank's Gamecocks as a tournament team. Iowa State played very poorly.
Yep, their defense had nothing to do with that at all. It's not like they were some offensive juggernaut. They need to finish around .500 in conference to get into the tournament and that won't be a problem. If it's too early to put them in the tournament you can say the same about ISU, there is very difference in the resumes, and they guard better than Iowa State does.
They'll need at least 11-7
How do you figure? That's completely arbitrary. You can list any other school and give some mile post they have to reach. I'm guessing a power 6 school hasn't missed tournament since expansion with a 19-9 record and 10-6 in conference, with a too 40 rpi and top 30 wins. 20 wins stopped being a measure for the committee a very long time ago.
The SEC isn't that highly regarded as has been shown by the committee. They've had just one team finish the regular season ranked in the top 25 in each of the last two seasons. With Florida in the tank this season the league has lost its secondary marquee brand. There hasn't been a team with less than an 11-7/ .611 conference record make the tournament out of the SEC in the two seasons since they've went to the round robin schedule. Alabama made it in at 9-7 (.562) in 11-12. Three SEC teams — No. 1 Kentucky, No. 20 Vanderbilt and No. 25 Florida — finished the regular season ranked that year. There have been multiple instances of teams finishing 12-6 and missing the NCAA tournament out of the SEC in the last couple of years.
Edit: Perhaps the perception will be influenced by the league's strong performance in last season's NCAA tournament, but we won't find that out until later. The lack of SEC teams in the rankings this season says otherwise.
The committee doesn't track AP rankings, you know that. The SEC is currently the #3 rated RPI conference in front of the ACC, Big Ten, and Pac 12.
Rankings were mentioned as a means to gauge the overall perception of the conference. The 11-7 cutoff had nothing to do with getting to 20 wins. I'd been looking at what it might take for them prior to seeing your post in the thread.
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Remember when he kissed Stan and wished him a merry Christmas?
Remember when Stan asked him what his New Year's resolution was and he responded, "same thing as every year: be a better father, be a better husband, be a better teacher"? (Or something like that.)
I miss him.
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Post game chats, starring Frank and Stan, was some dynamite TV
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Losing to oscar hurts a lot worse than losing to Frank.
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you always tend to remember more of the good than the bad about certain things. there were certainly annoying things about frank... him being mad seemingly ALL the time was annoying at times... there seemed to always be someone in the doghouse, that was frustrating... the style we played was certainly sloppy at times... his recruiting was pretty meh toward the end...
but man, watching these old videos and remembering the passion everyone had for cat hoops, and realizing how much of it we have lost... i miss the crap out of him. i don't really care about the details about why he left, i'm sure there is some blame on both sides. i just miss it. being a student during the meat of his tenure here and waiting in line for every single game created some of the best memories of my life. and now we suck.
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you always tend to remember more of the good than the bad about certain things. there were certainly annoying things about frank... him being mad seemingly ALL the time was annoying at times... there seemed to always be someone in the doghouse, that was frustrating... the style we played was certainly sloppy at times... his recruiting was pretty meh toward the end...
but man, watching these old videos and remembering the passion everyone had for cat hoops, and realizing how much of it we have lost... i miss the crap out of him. i don't really care about the details about why he left, i'm sure there is some blame on both sides. i just miss it. being a student during the meat of his tenure here and waiting in line for every single game created some of the best memories of my life. and now we suck.
you could have just said "being good was fun and being bad sucks".
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you always tend to remember more of the good than the bad about certain things. there were certainly annoying things about frank... him being mad seemingly ALL the time was annoying at times... there seemed to always be someone in the doghouse, that was frustrating... the style we played was certainly sloppy at times... his recruiting was pretty meh toward the end...
but man, watching these old videos and remembering the passion everyone had for cat hoops, and realizing how much of it we have lost... i miss the crap out of him. i don't really care about the details about why he left, i'm sure there is some blame on both sides. i just miss it. being a student during the meat of his tenure here and waiting in line for every single game created some of the best memories of my life. and now we suck.
The recruiting at the end was pretty good, that last class would have been very good, he really only had one terrible class, the Nino & Spradling class. Also I loved our style and never thought it was sloppy. If we didn't have JO the pinch post would have made me a little sad. Everything else you mentioned about Frank sucked too.
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you always tend to remember more of the good than the bad about certain things. there were certainly annoying things about frank... him being mad seemingly ALL the time was annoying at times... there seemed to always be someone in the doghouse, that was frustrating... the style we played was certainly sloppy at times... his recruiting was pretty meh toward the end...
but man, watching these old videos and remembering the passion everyone had for cat hoops, and realizing how much of it we have lost... i miss the crap out of him. i don't really care about the details about why he left, i'm sure there is some blame on both sides. i just miss it. being a student during the meat of his tenure here and waiting in line for every single game created some of the best memories of my life. and now we suck.
you could have just said "being good was fun and being bad sucks".
sure. but there was more to it than just being good. the whole 'get angry' identity thing was just a ton of fun.
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He's about to lose to a 7-6 Florida team at home. :frown:
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He's about to lose to a 7-6 Florida team at home. :frown:
WHAT??? South Carolina isn't going undefeated in conference play? That's incredibly sad and unexpected.
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He's about to lose to a 7-6 Florida team at home. :frown:
WHAT??? South Carolina isn't going undefeated in conference play? That's incredibly sad and unexpected.
:lol:
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Your proclamation might have been a little hasty, bro. For your sanity you better not turn it back to that game.
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Your proclamation might have been a little hasty, bro. For your sanity you better not turn it back to that game.
Looks like they're about to lose?! :dunno: Maybe I should run to twitter!
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Sorry, bud. :frown:
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Classic Frank.
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This is weird
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Fulcrums!?!?
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This is weird
I guess you missed MIR's twitter explosion on Saturday.
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another #h3o for frank. sad, really . . .
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Dude will never make the tourney without a ex kstate coaching staff.
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This is weird
I guess you missed MIR's twitter explosion on Saturday.
For the record this was the extent of my "twitter explosion"
MIR ?@michaeldeangelo
Back to CBSSN to see @frankmartin_sc's team finish off ISU. Shaping up to be a horrendous night for my buddies @sonofdaxjones & @FANMAN_KSU.
MIR retweeted
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN · Jan 3
Was just a matter of time before Frank Martin had South Carolina relevant. Gamecocks won 7 straight & knocked off Iowa St. on neutral court.
This caused Fanning and Dax to have simultaneous meltdowns
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MIR Twitter rage is the best.
I never realized asking a question was melting down. Hyperbole . . . perhaps?
Tough one at home tonight for those Fightin Cocks.
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MIR you were calling kstate fans racist because you read a couple tweets of people dogging the players
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You Guys use twitter to talk crap on each other :D
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This is weird
I guess you missed MIR's twitter explosion on Saturday.
For the record this was the extent of my "twitter explosion"
MIR ?@michaeldeangelo
Back to CBSSN to see @frankmartin_sc's team finish off ISU. Shaping up to be a horrendous night for my buddies @sonofdaxjones & @FANMAN_KSU.
MIR retweeted
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN · Jan 3
Was just a matter of time before Frank Martin had South Carolina relevant. Gamecocks won 7 straight & knocked off Iowa St. on neutral court.
This caused Fanning and Dax to have simultaneous meltdowns
You're precious. Your meltdown started before this.
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MIR you were calling kstate fans racist because you read a couple tweets of people dogging the players
We aren't even talking about that, this is the Frank Martin thread. It was waaaaaaaayyyyy more than a couple I posted several from several different people. You bitched about it, I asked you if I needed more to back up what I said and you said no. Also I didn't call anyone racist although I was discussing bias. You're clearly too rough ridin' stupid to know the difference, simp. You're one of those people who are incapable of understanding racial biases exist at all. YOU GUYS HAVE A PRESIDENT, HOW CAN WE BE RACIST :curse: :curse: :curse:
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Racist is as racist does, dats what duh racist always say. E'er buddy racist, yessir
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These low gas prices are absolutely tearing fsd apart at the seams
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These low gas prices are absolutely tearing fsd apart at the seams
It's got the Wackster kind of shook up too
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I missed this when it happened last month. This is some Marketing 101 stuff, right here!
(https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/BOPmRHY92etolJEpesPeaepgQU0=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2855680/usa-today-8284405.0.0.jpg)
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Serious question. Is Frank too poor for a tailor?
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Omg. Wowsers.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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I have that sweater in Seahawks.
Matching hat too.
https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/555435351490048000
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saw these sweaters when i was watching his coach's show the other night, there were actually a couple different styles that the coaches had on. very good idea on someone's part. much better than the bow tie experiment.
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The company makes those sweaters was on Shark Tank.
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Oxblood shoes and black slacks is weird.
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The company makes those sweaters was on Shark Tank.
They didn't make a KSTATEO version, amazingly, at least not when I looked for one and before it was mandated that I get a Seahawks one.
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The company makes those sweaters was on Shark Tank.
They didn't make a KSTATEO version, amazingly, at least not when I looked for one and before it was mandated that I get a Seahawks one.
No K-State version - I checked when I was prepping a Christmas list.
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Not looking good for Frank, I guess he is probably going to get another year though. Would love to see him on the bench with huggs though if he gets canned.
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Not looking good for Frank, I guess he is probably going to get another year though. Would love to see him on the bench with huggs though if he gets canned.
Would assume somebody would take a chance on him.
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He's a dumbass.
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Frank would have toughed the cats to victory tonight. Count on it.
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Lost four of last five with Kentucky up next. The good news for him is that there are three other SEC teams with only one win, so maybe he can climb out of last place at some point.
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Good news for him is that no one has to hear him nationally say the word "tourn-a-ment" this year.
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Frank would have toughed the cats to victory tonight. Count on it.
I watched the end of last night's game. It reminded me of a lot of his disappointing home losses here (like to Oklahoma, Iowa State, Colorado, Baylor). They were down by 17 in the 2nd half, furious comeback, back to get it to one possession with the ball, someone launched a decent look at 3 for the tie. Missed and ended with a 4-17 night from behind the arc.
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Man, Frank was the picture of calm and poise on their last time out. I mean, he only screamed at some dude for about 8 or 10 seconds.
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Frank wouldn't have choked last night like Weber did
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Frank wouldn't have choked last night like Weber did
Frank wouldn't have been in that game, like Weber was.
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Frank's in his 3rd season at USCe, and he's still getting beat with regularity on his home floor and is already 0-1 vs oscar Pearl.
Not to mention, once again mired in a last place tie in the SEC.
There's still plenty of time, but all 1000 USCe b-ball fans are starting to have their doubts.
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Frank is bringing in some local legend next year. He'll be fine.
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vibeconnexion.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F04%2FIdina-Menzel-Let-it-Go.png&hash=fbf30c2afb9e76ceaf680f1f8c37d385e564f798)
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What fun would that be? :dunno:
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BTW, I've never seen Frozen. Maybe I should take that to the shame thread.
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:frown: http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/south-carolina-basketball-frank-martin-drops-f-bombs-on-duane-notice-video
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Classic Frank.
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spare me the "his ex players love him", i can't imagine why anyone would willingly go play for that lunatic
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spare me the "his ex players love him", i can't imagine why anyone would willingly go play for that lunatic
Use your mind's eye.
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Frank now 1-5 in the SEC. Honestly, I thought he'd be in the NCAAs (with an additional NIT) by year 3 at South Carolina.
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Frank was the Sonny to Underwood's Cher obviously.
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sometimes I feel like some people here want South Carolina to lose more than they want their own team to win, that's sad.
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sometimes I feel like some people here want South Carolina to lose more than they want their own team to win, that's sad.
There may be like 2 people like this.
My post was honest, I'm really surprised Frank isn't winning more at South Carolina. He's almost certainly not going to make the tournament again this year, because its going to be harder to get quality wins in the SEC. There is a good chance he could make the NIT which would be a start, but I was confident he'd have an NCAA appearance by his 3rd season even though he inherited a pretty bad program.
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I think it's because Frank recruited a rough ridin' bad person who won't even answer his questions, yet he can't make him quit.
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sometimes I feel like some people here want South Carolina to lose more than they want their own team to win, that's sad.
Sometimes I feel like some ppl here want K-State to lose more than they want their own team to win cause they hate oscar and want him fired. That's sad.
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I wish he could get that crap under control
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I wish he could get that crap under control
it's very uncomfortable to watch.
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sometimes i think people here still think that frank was a good coach, very sad
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sometimes i think people here still think that frank was a good coach, very sad
He was successful here. :dunno:
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the team was
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he essentially was let go, that is not successful by my measure
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I wish he could get that crap under control
How hard is it to put a piece of paper, your hand, or a marker board over his mouth like every other coach does?
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sometimes i think people here still think that frank was a good coach, very sad
He was successful here. :dunno:
long term program success isn't attributable to the coach, dumbass
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the team was
he essentially was let go, that is not successful by my measure
True, but it was a weird circumstance. I've never considered him to be "fired" in the traditional sense. There was no real proof of cheating and his teams were still winning, he just got into a personality/ego clash with the AD.
And I give him credit for what his teams accomplished. He had some nice players, but he established a culture of toughness and winning here.
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sometimes i think people here still think that frank was a good coach, very sad
He was successful here. :dunno:
long term program success isn't attributable to the coach, dumbass
what?
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sometimes i think people here still think that frank was a good coach, very sad
He was successful here. :dunno:
long term program success isn't attributable to the coach, dumbass
frank's had a long-term, successful tenure at k-state? you and i measure time differently.
one thing he did enjoy at k-state was a collection of the best players our university has ever put on the floor.
the team was
he essentially was let go, that is not successful by my measure
True, but it was a weird circumstance. I've never considered him to be "fired" in the traditional sense. There was no real proof of cheating and his teams were still winning, he just got into a personality/ego clash with the AD.
And I give him credit for what his teams accomplished. He had some nice players, but he established a culture of toughness and winning here.
huggs had a lot to do with a) frank's culture of toughness, b) frank winning, c) frank's roster of studs
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sometimes i think people here still think that frank was a good coach, very sad
He was successful here. :dunno:
long term program success isn't attributable to the coach, dumbass
what?
I thought my post was pretty obvious
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But I mean, its ridiculous that this is pretty much the exact same thing as last year.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10569341/south-carolina-gamecocks-coach-frank-martin-sorry-outburst
ESPN can probably just recycle this in the next couple of days.
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Frank now 1-5 in the SEC. Honestly, I thought he'd be in the NCAAs (with an additional NIT) by year 3 at South Carolina.
yeah, his recruiting has been at least as good if not better outside of Bill and Mike with the glaring exception of point guard. His only season here w/o a very capable lead guard (or 2) was the year he Bill and Mike and even then Clent was a 4th year starting guard.
Frank might of had a shot to jump start the position with 4 star Villanova transfer Tyrone Johnson last year but he broke his foot in the 3rd game of the SEC season. It does appear Frank's physical style was a better mismatch for a Big 12 full of teams that generally lack size vs SEC schools that seem to always have 6-8 to 6-10 bangers in abundance.
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sometimes i think people here still think that frank was a good coach, very sad
He was successful here. :dunno:
long term program success isn't attributable to the coach, dumbass
frank's had a long-term, successful tenure at k-state? you and i measure time differently.
one thing he did enjoy at k-state was a collection of the best players our university has ever put on the floor.
Well considering the average tenure of a coach in the Big 12 since it was founded is 5 years and 28 of the 52 coaches had tenures of 5 years or less years, I'm pretty comfortable with calling his 5 years here long-term success.
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frank. dude. how many times is this going to happen? is he really that big of an idiot?
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lots of guys dumbing down wacky's thread
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lots of guys dumbing down wacky's thread
I was just stopping by to post a link I found this morning with my usual daily fanning new clips. :dunno:
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lots of guys dumbing down wacky's thread
I was just stopping by to post a link I found this morning with my usual daily fanning new clips. :dunno:
and then a bunch of morons started a debate about whether or not frank was a good coach. sorry they made your thread worse, wacks.
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These guys! :shakesfist:
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lots of guys dumbing down wacky's thread
I was just stopping by to post a link I found this morning with my usual daily fanning new clips. :dunno:
and then a bunch of morons started a debate about whether or not frank was a good coach. sorry they made your thread worse, wacks.
lol
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activeoldster •2 days ago
That guy is just plain crazy and doesn't deserve to be a coach. He may be a good coach but his type of attitude is just simply not needed. Even though he would probably not play again, and maybe get whipped, if I were Notice I would have told Martin how to penetrate himself! Notice was trying to play his heart out and even if he made a mistake he didn't deserve this crap from a thug (not a mentor).
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What's really amazing is this is the first time he's been caught dropping an f-bomb on camera this season
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What frank needs is a team full of try hards and some jesus. That's what he really needs.
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What's really amazing is this is the first time he's been caught dropping an f-bomb on camera this season
The profanity isn't the issue. He could use language like "gosh darn" and it would be just as bad if he was screaming it a few inches from some kid's face and puffing his chest out like he wanted to fight him.
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What's really amazing is this is the first time he's been caught dropping an f-bomb on camera this season
The profanity isn't the issue. He could use language like "gosh darn" and it would be just as bad if he was screaming it a few inches from some kid's face and puffing his chest out like he wanted to fight him.
Well, my point stands. If this is the worst thing that's happened this year, he really gas mellowed out. Still needs to cool it, but maybe he's getting better.
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What's really amazing is this is the first time he's been caught dropping an f-bomb on camera this season
The profanity isn't the issue. He could use language like "gosh darn" and it would be just as bad if he was screaming it a few inches from some kid's face and puffing his chest out like he wanted to fight him.
Well, my point stands. If this is the worst thing that's happened this year, he really gas mellowed out. Still needs to cool it, but maybe he's getting better.
he absolutely has mellowed out a bit, the cameras still follow him around because he still has all of the facial expressions and that huffing and puffing that he has always done
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it such a strange paradox that frank (known great coach) had so much long term success at k-state and can't seem to catch a break at south carolina.
oh well, when it comes to knowing the hoops X's and O's, frank has them down in spades. as good as a coach as he is, he'll get that thing turned around very soon.
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I'm pretty sure I jinxed Frank with my fulcrum post. Sorry Frank and male genitals fans.
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Can't imagine what it was like to get a math problem wrong in front of the class during franks early years in miami.
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Can't imagine what it was like to get a math problem wrong in front of the class during franks early years in miami.
Have you ever had a chalk eraser thrown at you?
I have :horrorsurprise:
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There is a good chance he could make the NIT which would be a start, but I was confident he'd have an NCAA appearance by his 3rd season even though he inherited a pretty bad program.
What's a good NIT tourney resume? Serious question.
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There is a good chance he could make the NIT which would be a start, but I was confident he'd have an NCAA appearance by his 3rd season even though he inherited a pretty bad program.
What's a good NIT tourney resume? Serious question.
Above .500 overall is a minimum, but at least 4-5 top 50 wins also.
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Frank better start $hitting some Tiffany cufflinks real soon or he's gone.
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What's really amazing is this is the first time he's been caught dropping an f-bomb on camera this season
Side note, but during the ISU/KU game, twice on camera Bill Self dropped the f-bomb clearly. He was hot about the lack of focus of a couple of the guys. The beginning of that timeout was on camera the whole time, and he was right in their faces. And a bit later he was very clear about telling the ref that his call was bs.
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pro-tip: Rusty has no idea if frank has been caught dropping an f-bomb on camera this season
also of note is that bill self has won the b12 10 times in a row and can do whatever the eff he wants
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pro-tip: Rusty has no idea if frank has been caught dropping an f-bomb on camera this season
also of note is that bill self has won the b12 10 times in a row and can do whatever the eff he wants
All true
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Was just an observation, man.
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Frank is so far into Wacky's dome. I bet he doesn't even take 3 steps without turning around thinking 1 of Frank's goons are gonna whack his dumb ass off :lol:
Winning NCAA tournament games was fun Wacky, sorry you are so against that
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Thanks Undies . . . thanks for helping out Frank enough that we won some NCAA tourney games.
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Winning NCAA tournament games was fun
I'll bet Frank is thinking this right about now.
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Guy by the name of Tex Winter once put up some pretty good numbers at KSU -- eight conference titles, a couple of Final Fours, handful of Elite Eights and Sweet Sixteens. Well, this guy left KSU to coach at Washington, the Houston Rockets, and Northwestern, and he turned into a pretty mediocre coach. Never made the NCAA tournament/playoffs with any of those teams. Later he said his one regret in his career was ever leaving KSU. True story.
Coaching the Cats is a privilege, man.
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Guy by the name of Tex Winter once put up some pretty good numbers at KSU -- eight conference titles, a couple of Final Fours, handful of Elite Eights and Sweet Sixteens. Well, this guy left KSU to coach at Washington, the Houston Rockets, and Northwestern, and he turned into a pretty mediocre coach. Never made the NCAA tournament/playoffs with any of those teams. Later he said his one regret in his career was ever leaving KSU. True story.
Coaching the Cats is a privilege, man.
:moreira:
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Guy by the name of Tex Winter once put up some pretty good numbers at KSU -- eight conference titles, a couple of Final Fours, handful of Elite Eights and Sweet Sixteens. Well, this guy left KSU to coach at Washington, the Houston Rockets, and Northwestern, and he turned into a pretty mediocre coach. Never made the NCAA tournament/playoffs with any of those teams. Later he said his one regret in his career was ever leaving KSU. True story.
Coaching the Cats is a privilege, man.
Good post. Tex Winter and Frank Martin, two peas in a pod.
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:pix_martin:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nba.com%2Fbulls%2Fsites%2Fbulls%2Ffiles%2Fwinter2_110808.jpg&hash=d201c1845f88c2addb31c2015995798e8bdd300b)
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roughly the same thing happened to wooly at UCR and Asbury at Pepperdine. That's all I can think of right now.
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Frank is so far into Wacky's dome. I bet he doesn't even take 3 steps without turning around thinking 1 of Frank's goons are gonna whack his dumb ass off :lol:
Winning NCAA tournament games was fun Wacky, sorry you are so against that
Wtf is this? Can you link me to how this came about? What in the world? :confused:
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Come to think of it, Lon Kruger Dana Altman and Bob Huggins have wondered in the wilderness after KSU as well.
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Come to think of it, Lon Kruger Dana Altman and Bob Huggins have wondered in the wilderness after KSU as well.
Shut up
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Jack Hartman was badass
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Kentucky 7-0 20-0 13-0 5-0 1486 1010 W20
Arkansas 5-2 16-4 13-1 3-3 1633 1432 W3
LSU 5-2 16-4 10-1 5-1 1498 1343 W3
Georgia 5-2 14-5 10-1 4-2 1374 1243 W5
Texas A&M 5-2 14-5 9-1 3-2 1290 1174 W5
Ole Miss 4-3 13-7 7-4 3-3 1488 1352 W2
Tennessee 4-3 12-7 8-2 3-2 1219 1191 L2
Florida 4-3 11-9 7-3 2-4 1334 1182 W1
Alabama 3-4 13-7 11-2 1-4 1370 1263 L1
Auburn 2-5 10-10 9-3 0-6 1338 1352 L3
Mississippi St 2-5 9-11 7-4 1-5 1238 1235 L2
Vanderbilt 1-6 11-9 9-3 1-5 1409 1275 L6
South Carolina 1-6 10-9 7-4 1-3 1299 1159 L4
Missouri 1-6 7-13 6-5 0-4 1254 1363 L6
All 4 people at Frank's call-in show last night were totally jazzed for Frankuary
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frank vs kim on the sec network right now. frank up 4 going into half.
there's no one in attendance.
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https://twitter.com/espncbb/status/567836311190691840
Frank going hard with 6 game suspensions.
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https://twitter.com/espncbb/status/567836311190691840
Frank going hard with 6 game suspensions.
I think you linked the wrong tweet?
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https://twitter.com/espncbb/status/567836311190691840
Frank going hard with 6 game suspensions.
I think you linked the wrong tweet?
I think you meant to mush his fat face in a snarkier manner?
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https://twitter.com/cbtonnbc/status/567836022953799681
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Adversity everywhere
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Looks like Frank's going Full oscar to try and get another year.
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Nice to see a coach who can suspend players but still gets his team to play well and win.
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Nice to see a coach who can suspend players but still gets his team to play well and win.
looking good against our common opponents so far. :frown:
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Come to think of it, Lon Kruger Dana Altman and Bob Huggins have wondered in the wilderness after KSU as well.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.usatoday.net%2Fsports%2Fgallery%2F2010%2Fncaa-men%2Ftournament%2Felite%2Fwvu1pg-vertical.jpg&hash=88e07f08ab88470cacf05d0b66f838b9c4b1f2fa)
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Come to think of it, Lon Kruger Dana Altman and Bob Huggins have wondered in the wilderness after KSU as well.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.usatoday.net%2Fsports%2Fgallery%2F2010%2Fncaa-men%2Ftournament%2Felite%2Fwvu1pg-vertical.jpg&hash=88e07f08ab88470cacf05d0b66f838b9c4b1f2fa)
Shut up
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looking good against our common opponents so far. :frown
might single-handedly keep dumbstick out of the tournament.
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Yeah, replacing two guys who had combined for a total of 9 points and 4 rebounds in the previous 5 conference games was surely a herculean task for Frank.
Pretty much the same as losing the leading scorer.