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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: _33 on December 06, 2014, 10:26:59 PM
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:flush:
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I don't know, seems ok. Might prefer 8, but seems better than 2.
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ESPN is shitting all over the Big Twelve really trying to put Ohio State in. They want that money!!
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ESPN is shitting all over the Big Twelve really trying to put Ohio State in. They want that money!!
I bet this happens too.
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Is this much different than anyone expected? ...except for fewer SEC teams.
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ESPN is shitting all over the Big Twelve really trying to put Ohio State in. They want that money!!
I bet this happens too.
It won't. The top 4 will stay the same.
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this is gonna be really fun
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Big 12 will get mumped. Committee Chair will say something about not really having a champion as an excuse to put Ohio State in. Ohio State is rough ridin' getting in. Virginia Tech loss be damned.
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Playoff will finally end the controversy of the BCS. :flush:
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ESPN is shitting all over the Big Twelve really trying to put Ohio State in. They want that money!!
I bet this happens too.
It won't. The top 4 will stay the same.
We don't know that at all. It's not a poll like we are used to. They completely reset every week.
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These Ohio St. talking points are terrible. It is sad seeing everyone hate the Big 12 and TCU/Baylor try to divide and conquer the conference. If it was the SEC, the entire region would be outraged and rioting that both teams deserved to be in.
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Nope, TCU is in
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What's really funny to me is that if Oklahoma or Texas were in TCU or Baylor's situation ESPN would be treating this completely different.
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ESPN is shitting all over the Big Twelve really trying to put Ohio State in. They want that money!!
I bet this happens too.
It won't. The top 4 will stay the same.
If these Ohio St. talking points are not from the committee then Baylor should've hired OSU/Big Ten's PR firm.
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The committee moved TCU up to number 3 last week, ahead of undefeated FSU. They're not going to suddenly reverse course now. They're in.
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The Chair will say baylor over tcu (head to head), then say when you compare baylor to Ohio State that Ohio State is better (eye ball test).
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Would take computers over these committee dipshits any day.
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The Chair will say baylor over tcu (head to head), then say when you compare baylor to Ohio State that Ohio State is better (eye ball test).
Yes
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Oregon and Alabama would have played under the BCS which would have been a good game IMO.
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Oregon and Alabama would have played under the BCS which would have been a good game IMO.
Yeah hope the playoff doesn't ruin this for me.
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This is why college football is far and away more interesting than the NFL.
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Just look at Ohio State's schedule. They should have to beat 2-3 big programs in the nonconference to make the playoffs with a loss.
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I'd be very worried if I were a TCU, Baylor fan. Baylor particularly.
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Oregon and Alabama would have played under the BCS which would have been a good game IMO.
No way the pollsters leave out undefeated FSU.
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If the Big Twelve gets left out due to not having a championship game do they go out and get two more teams so they can play a championship game? Or do they lobby the NCAA to allow them to play one with only ten teams?
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Jesus, Herbstreit just said big 10 and Big 12 were similar and that we should take into account a conference championship game. Big 12 is getting mumped. Talking points are being delivered.
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Oregon and Alabama would have played under the BCS which would have been a good game IMO.
No way the pollsters leave out undefeated FSU.
crap you are right, we would have gotten FSU vs Bama.
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Why would Herbstreit lie to you?
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Do not be alarmed by the ESPN talking heads. The committee has shown that they are not influenced by that.
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Jesus, Herbstreit just said big 10 and Big 12 were similar and that we should take into account a conference championship game. Big 12 is getting mumped. Talking points are being delivered.
I can't imagine how pissed I'd be right now if this was happening to the 'Cats.
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This is going to end with Memphis and Cincinnati being added to the Big 12.
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Nope FSU would have been left out, and rightfully so. The BCS always got it right.
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Can't we raid the ACC yet of FSU and G-Tech?
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If the Big Twelve gets left out due to not having a championship game do they go out and get two more teams so they can play a championship game? Or do they lobby the NCAA to allow them to play one with only ten teams?
I hope not. If Ohio State gets in, it will be because they are Ohio State. A championship game wouldn't change that.
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This is going to end with Memphis and Cincinnati being added to the Big 12.
So, so gross. If the big 12 had any balls at all it would tell the ncaa to eff itself and do a conf championship with 10 teams. I mean, what can the ncaa really do?
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16 teams, at least.
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There are limited long term ramifications of leaving out TCU and Baylor, so therefore the committee will jump up tOSU...........because this is college football.
Of course if Baylor and TCU were replaced with Oklahoma and Texas as 11-1 co-B12 champions... than the committee would have themselves a pickle.
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Oregon and Alabama would have played under the BCS which would have been a good game IMO.
No way the pollsters leave out undefeated FSU.
yeah under the BCS it would have been Bama vs FSU
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This is going to end with Memphis and Cincinnati being added to the Big 12.
So, so gross. If the big 12 had any balls at all it would tell the ncaa to eff itself and do a conf championship with 10 teams. I mean, what can the ncaa really do?
5 team divisions?
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TCU is the best team in America
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ESPN is basically treating it as fact that Ohio State is the #4 team. Apparently "momentum" is a deciding factor now.
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They have a 12 year contract with ABC of BCS fame. Does anybody in their right mind think they'll change the CFP to 8 before the contract is up. SMH
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ESPN is basically treating it as fact that Ohio State is the #4 team. Apparently "momentum" is a deciding factor now.
its a great story, just ask Paul
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i did not read a single rough ridin' post but this is the rough ridin' worst system that has ever rough ridin' existed. It is worse than the BCS and worse than whatever the eff was before it. Not having a big 12 team will be criminal.
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i did not read a single rough ridin' post but this is the rough ridin' worst system that has ever rough ridin' existed. It is worse than the BCS and worse than whatever the eff was before it. Not having a big 12 team will be criminal.
Why dont you withhold your Ferguson-style judgment until we see what the committee decides? ESPN's lobbying does not represent the committee's thinking.
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If I am a TCU fan I am probably embarking in an all night bender and preparing to burn down everything in the state of Texas. Going from 3rd to 5th or 6th when all you do is rape Iowa State would probably drive me to get arrested.
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i did not read a single rough ridin' post but this is the rough ridin' worst system that has ever rough ridin' existed. It is worse than the BCS and worse than whatever the eff was before it. Not having a big 12 team will be criminal.
Why dont you withhold your Ferguson-style judgment until we see what the committee decides? ESPN's lobbying does not represent the committee's thinking.
how about you bite your tounge as a member of the bottom 2 FBS programs in the entire nation who doesn't and will not have a voice in the CFP. Leave this discussion to fans who actually have a partial interest in this discussion.
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Putting in Ohio State would ensure we finally see the Oregon Alabama game we've been wanting to see for years now.
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i did not read a single rough ridin' post but this is the rough ridin' worst system that has ever rough ridin' existed. It is worse than the BCS and worse than whatever the eff was before it. Not having a big 12 team will be criminal.
Why dont you withhold your Ferguson-style judgment until we see what the committee decides? ESPN's lobbying does not represent the committee's thinking.
how about you bite your tounge as a member of the bottom 2 FBS programs in the entire nation who doesn't and will not have a voice in the CFP. Leave this discussion to fans who actually have a partial interest in this discussion.
Lol. I forgive you.
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my word, TBT... :facepalm:
But yeah, i was getting pissed earlier thinking "oh great here we go with the dumbass Ohio State media narrative..." and then i remembered that the committee was already meeting about it in a closed room.
I still wish they would've just done top 4 BCS teams.
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At this point either the top 4 stays the same or we hear a pretty hilarious explanation for why it doesn't. Either way, entertaining.
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i may have over reacted but i am really pissed off and pretty pakd.
i am human and make mistakes dlew, im not allowed to meltdown like once a year? my stance still stands(?) about it being a stupid system, unless a big 12 team makes it, then i would feel better.
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I mean, the four best are TCU, Bama, Oregon, and Either OSU or Baylor. Ohio State is maybe like 6 or 7th at best
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I mean, the four best are TCU, Bama, Oregon, and Either OSU or Baylor. Ohio State is maybe like 6 or 7th at best
Wut???
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I mean, the four best are TCU, Bama, Oregon, and Either OSU or Baylor. Ohio State is maybe like 6 or 7th at best
Wut???
He is right. I don't think "best team" is really one of the criteria though.
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I mean, the four best are TCU, Bama, Oregon, and Either OSU or Baylor. Ohio State is maybe like 6 or 7th at best
Wut???
I meant Florida State is maybe 6th or 7th best.
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Big 12 will be represented.
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i didn't watch any football today. is this a "gE" thread?
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I mean, the four best are TCU, Bama, Oregon, and Either OSU or Baylor. Ohio State is maybe like 6 or 7th at best
Wut???
I meant Florida State is maybe 6th or 7th best.
I agree, cf3
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i may have over reacted but i am really pissed off and pretty pakd.
i am human and make mistakes dlew, im not allowed to meltdown like once a year? my stance still stands(?) about it being a stupid system, unless a big 12 team makes it, then i would feel better.
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I mean, we knew ESPN would try to push Ohio State as much as they can.
According to Chris Fowler's twitter: "big 10 fans convinced SEC coverage traced to company business: NOTHING would boost abc/ESPN CFB biz more than a dominant big 10. Nothing. Trust me"
https://twitter.com/cbfowler/status/524764849566666752
I just don't see how the committee could sit up there and say "We thought TCU was the third best team last week, but now we think they're #5 or #6 despite having better wins and a FAR better loss than tOSU."
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ESPN has a selection show they'd like to have high ratings for by creating controversy or storylines of OSU vs TCU/BU. :th_twocents:
That and a month's worth of CFB airtime to fill before the bowls. Now they can spend it praising/castigating the committee for taking/not taking OSU.
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ESPN has a selection show they'd like to have high ratings for by creating controversy or storylines of OSU vs TCU/BU. :th_twocents:
I find it hilarious that Herbstreit would say the big10 and big 12 are equal (even though everyone has said the big10 sucks balls all year), and then talk about ONE big10 team being in the top 4 versus TWO Big 12 teams.
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I'm sure Tom Osborne and Barry Alvarez are really debating the merits of two big 12 teams vs. a big 10 team. Hopefully Oliver Luck fights like hell for the Big 12.
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Why do people think the committee will throw away two months of work because Kirk Herbstreit wants his alma mater in the playoffs?
I literally didn't hear a single person outraged that Ohio State was 5th in the last poll, nothing changed. If anything the conversation is OSU or FSU.
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These Ohio St. talking points are terrible. It is sad seeing everyone hate the Big 12 and TCU/Baylor try to divide and conquer the conference. If it was the SEC, the entire region would be outraged and rioting that both teams deserved to be in.
Art Briles really showed his ass last night, it was embarrassing.
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These Ohio St. talking points are terrible. It is sad seeing everyone hate the Big 12 and TCU/Baylor try to divide and conquer the conference. If it was the SEC, the entire region would be outraged and rioting that both teams deserved to be in.
Art Briles really showed his ass last night, it was embarrassing.
This is America! :Carl:
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I'm excited about the playoff regardless of who gets in. It should be pretty great.
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Why do people think the committee will throw away two months of work because Kirk Herbstreit wants his alma mater in the playoffs?
I literally didn't hear a single person outraged that Ohio State was 5th in the last poll, nothing changed. If anything the conversation is OSU or FSU.
it isn't just Herbstreit, it's like, all of ESPN. And then I just watched Mack Brown's dumbass basically agree with all the "well, you need a conference championship" talking point. The Big 12 has no advocates on the network that runs college football. meanwhile, I got to hear about how Ohio State should get in because they have "momentum".
for eff sake, we had a LSU, Alabama rematch and that network agreed that it didn't matter that Alabama didn't win their conference, those were the two best teams. it's amazing how much the big 12 has sat back and watched this crap without fighting for itself.
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These Ohio St. talking points are terrible. It is sad seeing everyone hate the Big 12 and TCU/Baylor try to divide and conquer the conference. If it was the SEC, the entire region would be outraged and rioting that both teams deserved to be in.
Art Briles really showed his ass last night, it was embarrassing.
It really was. I don't like the guy plus he has a really weird chest? His boobs are like..um...not quite sure but it's odd.
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On a positive note, the Memphis airport always smells amazing due to the number of BBQ joints they have in the terminals.
Cincy has neat uniforms.
The basketball will be fun, and the North division will be awful and will always be KSU vs WVU for the title.
I'm really trying here...
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I'm excited about the playoff regardless of who gets in. It should be pretty great.
Yeah, I would like the winner of the 2-3 game, Oregon vs. TCU, to win it all.
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Did the rest of the Big 12 just not notice when they named Oklahoma co-champions with kstate two years ago? I don't understand how this is a surprise to anyone that they aren't naming Baylor the sole champion.
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Why do people think the committee will throw away two months of work because Kirk Herbstreit wants his alma mater in the playoffs?
I literally didn't hear a single person outraged that Ohio State was 5th in the last poll, nothing changed. If anything the conversation is OSU or FSU.
This is my belief, as well. Unless several members of the committee suddenly change their thought processes, TCU is in.
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Did the rest of the Big 12 just not notice when they named Oklahoma co-champions with kstate two years ago? I don't understand how this is a surprise to anyone that they aren't naming Baylor the sole champion.
It's @Art Briles. He acted like he didn't know how it worked and the media lapped up his insincerity without questioning him because it fit their Big 12 narrative. Urban Meyer couldn't and wouldn't have done it better.
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Bob Bowlsby should be doing a marathon of TV interviews right now talking about the 9 game conference season in the Big 12 versus the 8 game in the SEC.
BITB brought this up the other day and I agree, the Big 12 should be screaming at the top of their lungs that we'll go to a conference championship when all other leagues go to a 9 game schedule like the Big 12.
Really beat the talking point to death....you want that to be "common knowledge" amongst fans of college football....and right now, it isn't.
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TCU ain't getting in.
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Bob Bowlsby should be doing a marathon of TV interviews right now talking about the 9 game conference season in the Big 12 versus the 8 game in the SEC.
BITB brought this up the other day and I agree, the Big 12 should be screaming at the top of their lungs that we'll go to a conference championship when all other leagues go to a 9 game schedule like the Big 12.
Really beat the talking point to death....you want that to be "common knowledge" amongst fans of college football....and right now, it isn't.
BITB has no point. Nine means something in the Big 12 because there are only ten teams. Everybody plays everybody else. Nine doesn't mean crap in 14-team leagues. You still aren't playing everyone else. 8 or 9 big whoop.
The Big 12 can yell about it, but I don't think anyone else will give a eff.
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Bob Bowlsby should be doing a marathon of TV interviews right now talking about the 9 game conference season in the Big 12 versus the 8 game in the SEC.
BITB brought this up the other day and I agree, the Big 12 should be screaming at the top of their lungs that we'll go to a conference championship when all other leagues go to a 9 game schedule like the Big 12.
Really beat the talking point to death....you want that to be "common knowledge" amongst fans of college football....and right now, it isn't.
BITB has no point. Nine means something in the Big 12 because there are only ten teams. Everybody plays everybody else. Nine doesn't mean crap in 14-team leagues. You still aren't playing everyone else. 8 or 9 big whoop.
The Big 12 can yell about it, but I don't think anyone else will give a eff.
It means that we automatically play 9 teams from P5 leagues where other teams only play 8 unless they schedule one in non-con...that seems important for SOS reasons
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Bob Bowlsby should be doing a marathon of TV interviews right now talking about the 9 game conference season in the Big 12 versus the 8 game in the SEC.
BITB brought this up the other day and I agree, the Big 12 should be screaming at the top of their lungs that we'll go to a conference championship when all other leagues go to a 9 game schedule like the Big 12.
Really beat the talking point to death....you want that to be "common knowledge" amongst fans of college football....and right now, it isn't.
He should have been doing those interviews the last month, the committee was done last night.
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Bob Bowlsby should be doing a marathon of TV interviews right now talking about the 9 game conference season in the Big 12 versus the 8 game in the SEC.
BITB brought this up the other day and I agree, the Big 12 should be screaming at the top of their lungs that we'll go to a conference championship when all other leagues go to a 9 game schedule like the Big 12.
Really beat the talking point to death....you want that to be "common knowledge" amongst fans of college football....and right now, it isn't.
BITB has no point. Nine means something in the Big 12 because there are only ten teams. Everybody plays everybody else. Nine doesn't mean crap in 14-team leagues. You still aren't playing everyone else. 8 or 9 big whoop.
The Big 12 can yell about it, but I don't think anyone else will give a eff.
It means that we automatically play 9 teams from P5 leagues where other teams only play 8 unless they schedule one in non-con...that seems important for SOS reasons
The championship game teams all play nine too dipshit. Also, the schedules of the teams in playoff contention aren't viewed generically like that. The committee knows who the eff each team played specifically. That nine power conference opponent guarantee is nonsense. If a team played a weaker schedule they get penalized. See Baylor. It's a stupid talking point.
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Ohio State isn't getting penalized for their crap loss.
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guys, the dumbass fans and media don't run the committee. it's gonna be fine. yeesh
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Bob Bowlsby should be doing a marathon of TV interviews right now talking about the 9 game conference season in the Big 12 versus the 8 game in the SEC.
BITB brought this up the other day and I agree, the Big 12 should be screaming at the top of their lungs that we'll go to a conference championship when all other leagues go to a 9 game schedule like the Big 12.
Really beat the talking point to death....you want that to be "common knowledge" amongst fans of college football....and right now, it isn't.
BITB has no point. Nine means something in the Big 12 because there are only ten teams. Everybody plays everybody else. Nine doesn't mean crap in 14-team leagues. You still aren't playing everyone else. 8 or 9 big whoop.
The Big 12 can yell about it, but I don't think anyone else will give a eff.
It means that we automatically play 9 teams from P5 leagues where other teams only play 8 unless they schedule one in non-con...that seems important for SOS reasons
The championship game teams all play nine too dipshit. Also, the schedules of the teams in playoff contention aren't viewed generically like that. The committee knows who the eff each team played specifically. That nine power conference opponent guarantee is nonsense. If a team played a weaker schedule they get penalized. See Baylor. It's a stupid talking point.
That's exactly the point, you literally made my rough ridin' point right there, dumb dumb ....the Big 12 champ played just as many conference games as every other league...THEY ARE THE SAME. Until the SEC plays 9 conference games, their stupid championship game talking point means dick...same number of conference games. Until they play 9, then play a 10th game in the championship they are no rough ridin' better.
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The point is that championship games as a an argument to differentiate teams is rough ridin' dumb in an 8 game league.
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I'd put Kansas up against Illinois any day of the week. ISU beat rough ridin' Iowa. I mean, ISU couldn't even win a game in this league.
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Ohio State isn't getting penalized for their crap loss.
Better excuses and recency/primacy? Lost a superstar QB right before the season starts. Early loss with a brand new QB and o-line. It's like it barely even happened. Now they have an experienced o-line and another new QB and look what they did just did. Wow! Two different teams offensively.
More importantly of course, it's Ohio State vs. Baylor and TCU. The money wants them there.
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Ohio State isn't getting penalized for their crap loss.
Better excuses and recency/primacy? Lost a superstar QB right before the season starts. Early loss with a brand new QB and o-line. It's like it barely even happened. Now they have an experienced o-line and another new QB and look what they did just did. Wow! Two different teams offensively.
More importantly of course, it's Ohio State vs. Baylor and TCU. The money wants them there.
Jesus. Baylor lost Petty for a while too you dumbfuck (no offense). And it's Virginia Tech...at home. Quit making excuses for it. Saying how shitty you thought a team was doesn't mean when they aren't that's like some reason for why they are good.
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Lol...the committee just said if you aren't a big name you won't get in no matter what.
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STFU, Kirk. You are such a dumbfuck. :facepalm:
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The point is that championship games as a an argument to differentiate teams is rough ridin' dumb in an 8 game league.
I didn't watch any of the stumping last night or this morning, but does it come into play that it's a 13th game vs. only 12 for the Big 12? That is actually a distinction and not every non-Big 12 team played a crap ooc schedule or faced all the cream puffs in their league. There have to be circumstances where it actually does make a difference. Then the Big 12 doesn't have crap to complain about.
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....Ya, how does this committee move TCU from 3rd to 6th in 5 days, while TCU won in dominating fashion during those 5 days.
5 days, 3rd to 6th.
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Lolololololololol
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Look, at the end of day I think we all need to focus on the positive, and that's that if you could ever choose two teams from the Big 12 to get completely mumped, you couldn't have a more perfect scenario than this.
I TSC as much as the next guy, but I mean, I have to laugh at myself for even caring for a minute that those two piece of crap schools got mumped.
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Ohio State isn't getting penalized for their crap loss.
Better excuses and recency/primacy? Lost a superstar QB right before the season starts. Early loss with a brand new QB and o-line. It's like it barely even happened. Now they have an experienced o-line and another new QB and look what they did just did. Wow! Two different teams offensively.
More importantly of course, it's Ohio State vs. Baylor and TCU. The money wants them there.
It was discussing that a big name will win out getting in the big bowl games, due to ABC looking at eyes watching the games. Guess what, rough ridin' ABC has the rights to the CFP and they are going to take the big names.
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I believe I said it earlier this year: the only way KSU can get in the playoffs is to go undefeated (this is likely for any Big 12 team).
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if we're really a conference, we should be outraged. imagine if this was Alabama and lsu getting mumped. the south would be set afire right now.
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I believe I said it earlier this year: the only way KSU can get in the playoffs is to go undefeated (this is likely for any Big 12 team).
not for OU or UT. hell, OU can lose a big 12 championship game and still get into the national championship game.
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That's exactly the point, you literally made my rough ridin' point right there, dumb dumb ....the Big 12 champ played just as many conference games as every other league...THEY ARE THE SAME. Until the SEC plays 9 conference games, their stupid championship game talking point means dick...same number of conference games. Until they play 9, then play a 10th game in the championship they are no rough ridin' better.
Yes, but the Big 12 is the one acting small timey and complaining about fair treatment. None of the others are going to change, they don't have to. They're getting the benefit of the doubt. They play
that 13th "championship" game and that has an impact, justified or not, that playing KU or ISU during the regular season doesn't for that magical 9th game. The Big 12 will never win that perception battle.
Also, as I pointed out above there are scenarios where that 13th game could actually make the difference in SoS/resume. It isn't just a con by all the other conferences. It can be, but isn't always.
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Look, at the end of day I think we all need to focus on the positive, and that's that if you could ever choose two teams from the Big 12 to get completely mumped, you couldn't have a more perfect scenario than this.
I TSC as much as the next guy, but I mean, I have to laugh at myself for even caring for a minute that those two piece of crap schools got mumped.
If it was Texas or Oklahoma we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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:Lurk:
Look, at the end of day I think we all need to focus on the positive, and that's that if you could ever choose two teams from the Big 12 to get completely mumped, you couldn't have a more perfect scenario than this.
I TSC as much as the next guy, but I mean, I have to laugh at myself for even caring for a minute that those two piece of crap schools got mumped.
You're right, eff them...but it's about the precedent they have set for the off chance that Kstate is ever in the position that Baylor or TCU were in.
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As of last week, BigXII was rated the strongest conf. This weekend, the trams that were supposed to win, won. TCU was no. 3 in the nation and won the toughest conf in the country. This is worse than the BCS. At very least, their formula must be public or the whole thing should be torn down. TCU's loss was to the co champ of the strongest conf in the country.
This is ridic, and that is coming from someone who dislikes TCU.
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Look, at the end of day I think we all need to focus on the positive, and that's that if you could ever choose two teams from the Big 12 to get completely mumped, you couldn't have a more perfect scenario than this.
I TSC as much as the next guy, but I mean, I have to laugh at myself for even caring for a minute that those two piece of crap schools got mumped.
I hate that the 12 got screwed but this is so spot on. :fistpump: (ftp://:fistpump:)
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Lol Baylor's PR machine mumped the Big 12 out of a playoff spot. JFC
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As of last week, BigXII was rated the strongest conf. This weekend, the trams that were supposed to win, won. TCU was no. 3 in the nation and won the toughest conf in the country. This is worse than the BCS. At very least, their formula must be public or the whole thing should be torn down. TCU's loss was to the co champ of the strongest conf in the country.
This is ridic, and that is coming from someone who dislikes TCU.
Send a memo to ABC/Disney.
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I believe I said it earlier this year: the only way KSU can get in the playoffs is to go undefeated (this is likely for any Big 12 team).
Texas or OU wouldn't have gotten jumped.
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Ohio State isn't getting penalized for their crap loss.
Better excuses and recency/primacy? Lost a superstar QB right before the season starts. Early loss with a brand new QB and o-line. It's like it barely even happened. Now they have an experienced o-line and another new QB and look what they did just did. Wow! Two different teams offensively.
More importantly of course, it's Ohio State vs. Baylor and TCU. The money wants them there.
Jesus. Baylor lost Petty for a while too you dumbfuck (no offense). And it's Virginia Tech...at home. Quit making excuses for it. Saying how shitty you thought a team was doesn't mean when they aren't that's like some reason for why they are good.
Those aren't my personal beliefs, just possible justifications. Still Baylor's loss didn't happen when Petty was hurt. If it it did, then it would have helped them. Plus, losing early is also better than losing late. Improvement, progress, momentum!
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I believe I said it earlier this year: the only way KSU can get in the playoffs is to go undefeated (this is likely for any Big 12 team).
Texas or OU wouldn't have gotten jumped.
06Luke, you're right!
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We're focusing on the number of conference games, but it's the number of overall games that are screwing with people.
The thirteenth game is that one last chance to either prove yourself or get tripped up.
I guarantee you that someone in that room said if TCU played a thirtieth game against, say, VT, they may have lost, too.
We're going to go to twelve one way or another. Welcome Cincy and Memphis.
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It's pretty obvious what we need to do, add 2-4 crappy teams (hello Tulane :fatty:) so the good teams only have to play 1 or 2 hard games each season and get to beat the crap out of a mediocre team in the conf championship
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Ohio State isn't getting penalized for their crap loss.
Better excuses and recency/primacy? Lost a superstar QB right before the season starts. Early loss with a brand new QB and o-line. It's like it barely even happened. Now they have an experienced o-line and another new QB and look what they did just did. Wow! Two different teams offensively.
More importantly of course, it's Ohio State vs. Baylor and TCU. The money wants them there.
Jesus. Baylor lost Petty for a while too you dumbfuck (no offense). And it's Virginia Tech...at home. Quit making excuses for it. Saying how shitty you thought a team was doesn't mean when they aren't that's like some reason for why they are good.
Those aren't my personal beliefs, just possible justifications. Still Baylor's loss didn't happen when Petty was hurt. If it it did, then it would have helped them. Plus, losing early is also better than losing late. Improvement, progress, momentum!
So basically OSU for pushed ahead for BS reasons? Committee saying the my picked 4 best and using eye test as part of it is their way to put big $$ teams in
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Look, at the end of day I think we all need to focus on the positive, and that's that if you could ever choose two teams from the Big 12 to get completely mumped, you couldn't have a more perfect scenario than this.
I TSC as much as the next guy, but I mean, I have to laugh at myself for even caring for a minute that those two piece of crap schools got mumped.
eff you pete. i'm pissed for those schools and their fans. ou or texas with the same resume gets in. i mean we can all laugh and act like being a big time school doesn't matter because it's lame to complain about it and everything, but if it were ou and tu with the same resumes, one or both would've got in. it it was purdue with the osu resume, they probably wouldn't have. this new system is bullshit and everybody here should be pissed.
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Paul Finebaum, is actually supporting the Big 12....on the whole "how do you move from 3 to 6 in 5 days" point.
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A non-blue blood big 10 team would have gotten less respect than Baylor or TCU did imo. Purdue wouldn't have gotten the bump up and then bump out. Everybody would have just agreed they were out unless a bunch of teams above them lost.
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Ohio State lost at home to this team.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3EsVenCQAAFwDn.jpg)
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This committee is crap. How can Jeff Long not know how many votes changed, how many times they revoted, how many different voting outcomes happened? He was clearly making up answers on the spot.
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A non-blue blood big 10 team would have gotten less respect than Baylor or TCU did imo. Purdue wouldn't have gotten the bump up and then bump out. Everybody would have just agreed they were out unless a bunch of teams above them lost.
I agree with that. I think that will always be a weakness of this system. It similarly (but less dramatically) impacts basketball tournament selection.
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I'm kind of tempted to ignore the whole thing, but I guess I'll hope OSU and FSU gets crap-pounded. I don't really have much sympathy for Baylor, which should have scheduled someone in the non-con. TCU, on the other had, got screwed. But Gary Pat is kind of a dick.
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lol man, i expected better out of the playoff selection committee.
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TCU Horned Frogs...More like TCU Leaped Frogs
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Condeleeza must have really been pms'ing pretty hard last night
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Chris Fowler and Lou Holtz both alluded to committee taking OSU was easy choice so it doesn't piss off multiple conferences. That is such a joke. Committees job is to make tough decisions and answer for them. If they really took that into consideration they should be fired (not that we'd ever find out if they really did)
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Condeleeza must have really been pms'ing pretty hard last night
Menopause bro, prolly can't sleep at night
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TCU Horned Frogs...More like TCU Leaped Frogs
OMG! That's their rough ridin' name forever, now.
:lol:
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Condeleeza must have really been pms'ing pretty hard last night
Menopause bro, prolly can't sleep at night
Standing in front of an open fridge instead of watching TCU/ISU
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Condeleeza must have really been pms'ing pretty hard last night
Menopause bro, prolly can't sleep at night
With all the blood on her hands, I'd hope she already has trouble sleeping.
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So all this puts us in a shittier bowl, right?
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So all this puts us in a shittier bowl, right?
Even better chance to win!
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Who would the computers have chosen?
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Fsu Bama I think
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We're focusing on the number of conference games, but it's the number of overall games that are screwing with people.
The thirteenth game is that one last chance to either prove yourself or get tripped up.
I guarantee you that someone in that room said if TCU played a thirtieth game against, say, VT, they may have lost, too.
We're going to go to twelve one way or another. Welcome Cincy and Memphis.
I don't even see how TCU playing a 13th game is even a talking point. They wouldn't have been in a championship game. The 2 best teams in a conference never are.
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So all this puts us in a shittier bowl, right?
Tcu and Baylor will prob both be at-large selections, so we're still headed to Alamo I'm guessing.
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So all this puts us in a shittier bowl, right?
Tcu and Baylor will prob both be at-large selections, so we're still headed to Alamo I'm guessing.
Yup - our slot holds as best Big 12 bowl outside of the elites
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Who would the computers have chosen?
http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
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'96 #3 Nebraska lost to unranked Texas
'98 #2 K-State lost to #10 Texas A&M
'01 #3 Texas lost to #9 Colorado
'03 #1 Oklahoma lost to #15 Kansas State (OU still played for NC)
'07 #1 Missouri lost to #9 Oklahoma
I realize it was a different cfb landscape, but remember when the CCG was costing the Big XII spots in the national title game?
If CCG and 'true champs' carry weight in the selection process then the 5 BCS conferences should all be required to have a CCG or full round robin with documented tie breaker to determine a champion. The winners are automatic qualifiers in an 8 team (5 conf champs, 3 at large) playoff.
Tom
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Why is everyone putting this on Bowlsby for saying they were both champs? What the eff does that have to do with it? BCS is the better system.
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he's a pretty good scapegoat
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Also sounded like a total rough ridin' loser on espn
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A non-blue blood big 10 team would have gotten less respect than Baylor or TCU did imo. Purdue wouldn't have gotten the bump up and then bump out. Everybody would have just agreed they were out unless a bunch of teams above them lost.
I agree with that. I think that will always be a weakness of this system. It similarly (but less dramatically) impacts basketball tournament selection.
This was bound to happen when they chose a plus one rather than 6 or 8 teams.
It's pretty great that Ohio State gets to benefit from a conference championship now, after Tressel's Ohio State teams sat on their asses during championship week and watched the fallout.
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he's a pretty good scapegoat
Not really. The committee bases their rankings based on 1 random decision about who is the champion? What a useless sytem.
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I think the committee based their decision on who it would be less controversial to piss off, all the rest is smoke screen. Had Northwestern won the big 10 yesterday, well eff 'em.
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I'm kind of tempted to ignore the whole thing, but I guess I'll hope OSU and FSU gets crap-pounded. I don't really have much sympathy for Baylor, which should have scheduled someone in the non-con. TCU, on the other had, got screwed. But Gary Pat is kind of a dick.
Wasn't SMU a decent (bowl?) team when they were scheduled?
It's fine to say you should have a strong schedule, but sometimes a nice looking schedule turns to garbage. Michael Weinreb covered this re: TCU's quality win over Minnesota:
I mean, I get the strength-of-schedule argument. I think it's important, in terms of driving more competitive early-season matchups in future years. I think it's fair to say that Baylor copped out (and it appears they may continue to cop out). But I also think you can make the case that TCU was essentially trying to cop out, too. When the Horned Frogs agreed to a home-and-home series with Minnesota, it was May of 2013. The Gophers were coming off a 6-7 season in which they won two Big Ten games, and defeated a weak Western Michigan team 28-23; by comparison, Buffalo was 4-8 in 2012 and defeated Western Michigan 29-24. This was not an attempt by TCU to truly boost its non-conference schedule – this was an attempt to secure a relatively easy victory over a major-conference opponent, which I suppose trumps Baylor's thrashing of a MAC team, but not by enough to trump a head-to-head result.
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/the-golden-gopher-effect-minnesota-and-college-footballs-chaos-theory-20141114#ixzz3LEzSJtKg
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TCU fans want a Baylor rematch in the Cotton Bowl. Interesting idea, but wouldn't piss-pounding non-con teams make a bigger statement.
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Who would the computers have chosen?
http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
I wish this page was the official ranking for the CFP. Human rankings are stupid. :thumbsdown:
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I think the committee based their decision on who it would be less controversial to piss off, all the rest is smoke screen. Had Northwestern won the big 10 yesterday, well eff 'em.
That is an equally piece of crap reason.
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Welp, I was wrong. What a weird day.
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Baylor, you should not have lost to WVU, they sucked. TCU you should not have lost to Baylor, you had a 21 point lead in the 4th. Take some personal responsibility.
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If KSU beats Baylor last night, does tcu get in? I think they might.
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If KSU beats Baylor last night, does tcu get in? I think they might.
nope, not a chance
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Welp the committee went with the chickenshit decision and elevated tOSU.
I could deal with Baylor jumping us but putting tOSU over both of us makes it clear that TCU and bible aggie got punished for being small schools.
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If KSU beats Baylor last night, does tcu get in? I think they might.
nope, not a chance
There's definitely a chance. Are these ballots secret? How close was it?
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If KSU beats Baylor last night, does tcu get in? I think they might.
nope, not a chance
This is correct.
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If KSU beats Baylor last night, does tcu get in? I think they might.
nope, not a chance
There's definitely a chance. Are these ballots secret? How close was it?
they said it was pretty clear cut OSU
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If KSU beats Baylor last night, does tcu get in? I think they might.
nope, not a chance
There's definitely a chance. Are these ballots secret? How close was it?
they said it was pretty clear cut OSU
Maybe, but I don't know why we should believe that. Clearly, that was going to be the talking point, regardless.
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I think this is best case scenario, honestly. Both loser schools get left out. Pretty great.
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Really, the only take away from this is Kansas St. will have to go undefeated to get into this thing. I let myself think that with a committee we would have a better chance to get in if we lost one along the way. Now, I can see how dumb that line of thinking was.
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Every team in this thing won 12+ games. As stupid as this sounds, even if you just add one bullshit rummy game, it probably helps.
Our round robin hurts us more than it helps, and we've seen that in the past four years.
While it's fun, it's not sustainable. We will add.
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Every team in this thing won 12+ games. As stupid as this sounds, even if you just add one bullshit rummy game, it probably helps.
Our round robin hurts us more than it helps, and we've seen that in the past four years.
While it's fun, it's not sustainable. We will add.
god, the divisions will be so gross. we'll get to hear how shitty the north (or west, or whatever stupid name they come up with) is every single year. and then UT and OU will eventually get pissed (again) about having to share money with us.
eff, Cincy and who else?
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If Briles and Gary Pat are really ambitious don't they start taking more phone calls now? They've kind of been told, this is their ceiling.
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Brett McMurphy, from ESPN, did a better job of defending Baylor/TCU than Bowlsby.
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Welp the committee went with the chickenshit decision and elevated tOSU.
I could deal with Baylor jumping us but putting tOSU over both of us makes it clear that TCU and bible aggie got punished for being small schools.
Did you see that your new nickname is the TCU Leaped Frogs? #insulttoinjury #burn
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Haahhaha, couldn't of happened to 2 more deserving fanbases
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These first round games are going to be terrible.
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These first round games are going to be terrible.
Very high chance of two blowouts
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Welp the committee went with the chickenshit decision and elevated tOSU.
I could deal with Baylor jumping us but putting tOSU over both of us makes it clear that TCU and bible aggie got punished for being small schools.
You're taking this pretty well for just getting mumped in the a**. Ts & Ps, man. Of course, the whole conference got screwed as a result, but I gotta feel for you guys. "Leaped Frogs." Ouch.
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Welp the committee went with the chickenshit decision and elevated tOSU.
I could deal with Baylor jumping us but putting tOSU over both of us makes it clear that TCU and bible aggie got punished for being small schools.
You're taking this pretty well for just getting mumped in the a**. Ts & Ps, man. Of course, the whole conference got screwed as a result, but I gotta feel for you guys. "Leaped Frogs." Ouch.
This affects ksu like under 1%.
edit did math
Say we get a resume good enough. That's like 1/10 years. Get screwed 1/5 times. Win natty 1/4 times. That's .005%
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Welp, I was wrong. What a weird day.
Yup, just when I think our fanbase is a tad too cynical and there really isn't a massive conspiracy to eff over K-State and the Big 12 at every opportunity - proven wrong yet again. Congrats to the cynicats last night - you were right.
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If this happened to the SEC, the Abandoning of the NCAA Plan would be the national discussion right now.
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Welp the committee went with the chickenshit decision and elevated tOSU.
I could deal with Baylor jumping us but putting tOSU over both of us makes it clear that TCU and bible aggie got punished for being small schools.
You're taking this pretty well for just getting mumped in the a**. Ts & Ps, man. Of course, the whole conference got screwed as a result, but I gotta feel for you guys. "Leaped Frogs." Ouch.
This affects ksu like 0.5%
It further belittles our conference and recruiting (such that it is). Have a little Big12 pride. The only time I root against B12 is when the sooners are playing.
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I hope tcu puts up a national champs banner when they win their bowl game and I'm dead serious
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'98 - KSU loses chamionship game, goes to alamo bowl. 03 OU loses goes to national championship game.
'11 OSU loses out to Alabama in a rematch with LSU.
This year TCU and Baylor lose out to Ohio State.
Name Brands win.
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Welp the committee went with the chickenshit decision and elevated tOSU.
I could deal with Baylor jumping us but putting tOSU over both of us makes it clear that TCU and bible aggie got punished for being small schools.
You're taking this pretty well for just getting mumped in the a**. Ts & Ps, man. Of course, the whole conference got screwed as a result, but I gotta feel for you guys. "Leaped Frogs." Ouch.
This affects ksu like 0.5%
It further belittles our conference and recruiting (such that it is). Have a little Big12 pride. The only time I root against B12 is when the sooners are playing.
It will barely affect anything. I don't have pride for something I don't partake in.
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I enjoy that the BCS (that every dumbass hated) had the same 4 teams as the new playoff committee (that every dumbass now hates)
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It doesn't matter what the system is ESPN will get the teams in every year that they want in. It happens every damn year. Anyone who doesn't think ESPN completely controls college football is deluding themselves.
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It doesn't matter what the system is ESPN will get the teams in every year that they want in. It happens every damn year. Anyone who doesn't think ESPN completely controls college football is deluding themselves.
lol
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:D
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four teams isn't enough. that was obvious from the very first time some dumbass ever mentioned four teams. four teams is stupid.
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This isn't basketball or baseball or hockey or some other pud sport. Just throwing another game or two onto the end has a lot of issues. It would become a war of attrition and least spaghetti brained players. You'd have to start shortening everyone's regular schedule in order to get two teams another game. Maybe not at 8 but maybe.
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8 is easily workable.
9 conference games + 2 OOC + 3 Rounds of playoffs
easy
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8 is ideal imho
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This isn't basketball or baseball or hockey or some other pud sport. Just throwing another game or two onto the end has a lot of issues. It would become a war of attrition and least spaghetti brained players. You'd have to start shortening everyone's regular schedule in order to get two teams another game. Maybe not at 8 but maybe.
College football has the shortest post season in the sport by far, asking for 8 isn't some superhuman test of strength. Middle schools and pee wee football have longer post seasons.
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the system with 4 is fine. Someone is always going to be left out.
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8 is easily workable.
9 conference games + 2 OOC + 3 Rounds of playoffs
easy
Taking a home game away from everyone will not happen.
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This isn't basketball or baseball or hockey or some other pud sport. Just throwing another game or two onto the end has a lot of issues. It would become a war of attrition and least spaghetti brained players. You'd have to start shortening everyone's regular schedule in order to get two teams another game. Maybe not at 8 but maybe.
The blue bloods get the better of good old-fashioned attrition-offs far more often than not I imagine.
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This isn't basketball or baseball or hockey or some other pud sport. Just throwing another game or two onto the end has a lot of issues. It would become a war of attrition and least spaghetti brained players. You'd have to start shortening everyone's regular schedule in order to get two teams another game. Maybe not at 8 but maybe.
College football has the shortest post season in the sport by far, asking for 8 isn't some superhuman test of strength. Middle schools and pee wee football have longer post seasons.
Yes, and shorter regular seasons. That was the point. And I wasn't saying 8 was the number you'd have to start shortening seasons. But at some point you would. And nobody involved in making the decision is going to ever allow that.
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the system with 4 is fine. Someone is always going to be left out.
Agreed.
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8 is easily workable.
9 conference games + 2 OOC + 3 Rounds of playoffs
easy
Taking a home game away from everyone will not happen.
Yes, definitely not. Nobody is taking away games from everybody to make it easier on a measly eight teams at the end of the year.
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the system with 4 is fine. Someone is always going to be left out.
Agreed.
It's more interesting with the people getting left out story lines and buildup/fallout.
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the system with 4 is fine. Someone is always going to be left out.
Even if it was 8 there would have been massive butt hurt today.
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the system with 4 is fine. Someone is always going to be left out.
Agreed.
It's more interesting with the people getting left out story lines and buildup/fallout.
Yep
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Don't give playoff teams a month off before games? Two weeks. Game. Two weeks. Game. Etc.
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8 teams would give us a lot better chance at ever making the playoffs. same for the rest of the non-blueblood teams.
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the system with 4 is fine. Someone is always going to be left out.
Even if it was 8 there would have been massive butt hurt today.
No there wouldn't be, there would be discussion but few would meltdown over Michigan State and Mississippi State getting picked over Arizona and K-State.
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I enjoy that the BCS (that every dumbass hated) had the same 4 teams as the new playoff committee (that every dumbass now hates)
Are they still even doing the Harris Poll? At either rate, to be fair most people clamoring for a playoff just wanted more than two teams to have a shot. Also, I would take the committee's opinion over the Coaches' Poll no matter what.
I will continue complaining about the system until (at a minimum) the power 5 champs get auto bids. At that point we can debate about the positioning of other teams, but it sucks to call it a "playoff" and shut out a major conference (perhaps the strongest conference statistically).
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I enjoy that the BCS (that every dumbass hated) had the same 4 teams as the new playoff committee (that every dumbass now hates)
IIRC I said they would copy the coaches poll and they almost exactly matched.
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I enjoy that the BCS (that every dumbass hated) had the same 4 teams as the new playoff committee (that every dumbass now hates)
IIRC I said they would copy the coaches poll and they almost exactly matched.
Earlier in the year the Committee's rankings were different than the polls....I think the polls started voting like the Committee.
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I enjoy that the BCS (that every dumbass hated) had the same 4 teams as the new playoff committee (that every dumbass now hates)
IIRC I said they would copy the coaches poll and they almost exactly matched.
Earlier in the year the Committee's rankings were different than the polls....I think the polls started voting like the Committee.
Yeah, kind of a weird feedback loop happening.
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This isn't basketball or baseball or hockey or some other pud sport. Just throwing another game or two onto the end has a lot of issues. It would become a war of attrition and least spaghetti brained players. You'd have to start shortening everyone's regular schedule in order to get two teams another game. Maybe not at 8 but maybe.
FCS and Division II teams play 10-11 game regular seasons then embark on play-offs. FCS and DII both have 24 team brackets. If you are in an opening round game and win out that's five games from end of November thru mid-January. I don't think FBS needs a 24 team bracket, but eight seems very do-able in the context of what the NCAA does at lower levels.
Tom
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No, he's right. For the sake of player safety they shouldn't even be playing these games at all.
We need to establish a separate playoff games committee now to vote on who should win the semifinal games and then who should win the championship. Takes the risk of injury out of actually playing.
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Welp the committee went with the chickenshit decision and elevated tOSU.
I could deal with Baylor jumping us but putting tOSU over both of us makes it clear that TCU and bible aggie got punished for being small schools.
You're taking this pretty well for just getting mumped in the a**. Ts & Ps, man. Of course, the whole conference got screwed as a result, but I gotta feel for you guys. "Leaped Frogs." Ouch.
This affects ksu like under 1%.
edit did math
Say we get a resume good enough. That's like 1/10 years. Get screwed 1/5 times. Win natty 1/4 times. That's .005%
Either you don't know how big money works, or you're just a rough ridin' idiot.
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It doesn't matter what the system is ESPN will get the teams in every year that they want in. It happens every damn year. Anyone who doesn't think ESPN completely controls college football is deluding themselves.
IIRC Disney/ABC own the ESPN network, so yes they will get their say. Also, you do know ABC has the 12 yr CFP contract.
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I would have made the same decision the committee made, even though I love the big 12. Will be very fun games to watch.
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the system with 4 is fine. Someone is always going to be left out.
Yep.
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I would have made the same decision the committee made, even though I love the big 12. Will be very fun games to watch.
I found it to be a very sexy final four. Really has name recognition. I actually want to watch.
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I would have made the same decision the committee made, even though I love the big 12. Will be very fun games to watch.
I found it to be a very sexy final four. Really has name recognition. I actually want to watch.
I mean I think it's the correct four teams regardless of name recognition. I couldn't differentiate between tcu and baylor, which sucks for them. Ohio State is just as deserving so makes sense to put them in. Not an easy situation but it never will be.
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I don't think OSU vs Bama will be competitive at all.
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I don't think OSU vs Bama will be competitive at all.
The 3rd stringer is going to fall apart is my guess. Plus he doesn't run like Braxton and J.T. Too much of a style change up. Otherwise they have the talent and coaching to hang even with bama.
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I will however enjoy a hearty big 10 chuckle if they win.
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I don't think OSU vs Bama will be competitive at all.
The 3rd stringer is going to fall apart is my guess. Plus he doesn't run like Braxton and J.T. Too much of a style change up. Otherwise they have the talent and coaching to hang even with bama.
Yea I agree, that's why I was a bit surprised they got in. At least he gets a month to prep, but it's likely the Bama D is going to eff him up something awful.
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I used to be a 16-team guy, but I think 12 is the magic number.
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If the Big Twelve gets left out due to not having a championship game do they go out and get two more teams so they can play a championship game? Or do they lobby the NCAA to allow them to play one with only ten teams?
Play it with 10. Don't lobby. NCAA will kick rocks.
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What's really funny to me is that if Oklahoma or Texas were in TCU or Baylor's situation ESPN would be treating this completely different.
Smartest thing said in this thread.
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I used to be a 16-team guy, but I think 12 is the magic number.
I think 8 is my max, we would have been top 12 and we would have been smoked by the top 6 teams for sure. The drop off after the first 4-6 is pretty steep.
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I used to be a 16-team guy, but I think 12 is the magic number.
I think 8 is my max, we would have been top 12 and we would have been smoked by the top 6 teams for sure. The drop off after the first 4-6 is pretty steep.
K-State wouldn't have been in.
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TCU Horned Frogs...More like TCU Leaped Frogs
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It's interesting watching Mr Bread TSC. I don't really know a "Big 10 guy". Nebrasktards don't count.
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I'm ok with how it all worked out. Glad we are matched up with who we are on a Friday night. Other great bowl match ups. Couldn't ask for more.
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I don't think OSU vs Bama will be competitive at all.
Oregon vs FSU won't be either. I doubt I watch the second half of either of these games. There is just a huge dropoff after Oregon, Alabama, and TCU.
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It's impossible to have any kind of fair system in a sport with 12 regular season games to whittle down 120 teams all playing by different rules. Go back to no system where every school, conference and bowl game is out for themselves.
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8 is a great number. The butthurt would not be the same as it is with 4. Every year there are about 5-6 teams that can make a claim that they are the best team. The 9th best team in the nation will probably be butthurt about being left out, but they can't really think they are the best team like the #5 and #6 teams can.
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8 is a great number. The butthurt would not be the same as it is with 4. Every year there are about 5-6 teams that can make a claim that they are the best team. The 9th best team in the nation will probably be butthurt about being left out, but they can't really think they are the best team like the #5 and #6 teams can.
I think this is accurate. You'll still have complaining, just not legitimate complaining. Also, to any Power 5 rep the retort is easy: just win your conference and you wouldn't have had to leave it up to the pollsters.
Honestly did anyone expect this to stay a 4 team playoff? I always thought this was like a transitional thing to work out logistics and wean people off of the BCS en route to having a legitimate playoff.
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8 is a great number. The butthurt would not be the same as it is with 4. Every year there are about 5-6 teams that can make a claim that they are the best team. The 9th best team in the nation will probably be butthurt about being left out, but they can't really think they are the best team like the #5 and #6 teams can.
I think this is accurate. You'll still have complaining, just not legitimate complaining. Also, to any Power 5 rep the retort is easy: just win your conference and you wouldn't have had to leave it up to the pollsters.
Honestly did anyone expect this to stay a 4 team playoff? I always thought this was like a transitional thing to work out logistics and wean people off of the BCS en route to having a legitimate playoff.
It won't happen before the contract is up. This has been discussed by the talking heads on ESPN.
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8 is a great number. The butthurt would not be the same as it is with 4. Every year there are about 5-6 teams that can make a claim that they are the best team. The 9th best team in the nation will probably be butthurt about being left out, but they can't really think they are the best team like the #5 and #6 teams can.
I think this is accurate. You'll still have complaining, just not legitimate complaining. Also, to any Power 5 rep the retort is easy: just win your conference and you wouldn't have had to leave it up to the pollsters.
Honestly did anyone expect this to stay a 4 team playoff? I always thought this was like a transitional thing to work out logistics and wean people off of the BCS en route to having a legitimate playoff.
It won't happen before the contract is up. This has been discussed by the talking heads on ESPN.
You keep talking about the contract as if it can't be renegotiated. If the power 5 wants to go to 8 ESPN will happily redo the contract because they want the inventory. Monday Night Football is the only product they have that out rates college football. Renegotiating the contract would also give ESPN more controlling years of the CFP.
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8 is a great number. The butthurt would not be the same as it is with 4. Every year there are about 5-6 teams that can make a claim that they are the best team. The 9th best team in the nation will probably be butthurt about being left out, but they can't really think they are the best team like the #5 and #6 teams can.
Money politics with 8 teams would be so bad. But it is the best thing for competitive fairness.
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8 is a great number. The butthurt would not be the same as it is with 4. Every year there are about 5-6 teams that can make a claim that they are the best team. The 9th best team in the nation will probably be butthurt about being left out, but they can't really think they are the best team like the #5 and #6 teams can.
I think this is accurate. You'll still have complaining, just not legitimate complaining. Also, to any Power 5 rep the retort is easy: just win your conference and you wouldn't have had to leave it up to the pollsters.
Honestly did anyone expect this to stay a 4 team playoff? I always thought this was like a transitional thing to work out logistics and wean people off of the BCS en route to having a legitimate playoff.
It won't happen before the contract is up. This has been discussed by the talking heads on ESPN.
You keep talking about the contract as if it can't be renegotiated. If the power 5 wants to go to 8 ESPN will happily redo the contract because they want the inventory. Monday Night Football is the only product they have that out rates college football. Renegotiating the contract would also give ESPN more controlling years of the CFP.
They basically said it would open up the contract to other networks and would cost much more. They got a sweet deal and they don't give a eff about who gets in is fair or not.
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Contracts change all the time. I know it means I'm racist but I'm agreeing with MIR on this one.
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Eight is better because that format would include all of the power conferences, and you could even give the midmajors a path to a championship, if say their conference champion finishes ranked higher than a power 5 conference champ. It's much more inclusive, and would make everyone happy.
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8 is a great number. The butthurt would not be the same as it is with 4. Every year there are about 5-6 teams that can make a claim that they are the best team. The 9th best team in the nation will probably be butthurt about being left out, but they can't really think they are the best team like the #5 and #6 teams can.
I think this is accurate. You'll still have complaining, just not legitimate complaining. Also, to any Power 5 rep the retort is easy: just win your conference and you wouldn't have had to leave it up to the pollsters.
Honestly did anyone expect this to stay a 4 team playoff? I always thought this was like a transitional thing to work out logistics and wean people off of the BCS en route to having a legitimate playoff.
It won't happen before the contract is up. This has been discussed by the talking heads on ESPN.
You keep talking about the contract as if it can't be renegotiated. If the power 5 wants to go to 8 ESPN will happily redo the contract because they want the inventory. Monday Night Football is the only product they have that out rates college football. Renegotiating the contract would also give ESPN more controlling years of the CFP.
They basically said it would open up the contract to other networks and would cost much more. They got a sweet deal and they don't give a eff about who gets in is fair or not.
Without seeing the contract, and I can assure you that whatever ESPN talking head you are referencing hasn't seen it either, the only way it would be up for rebid for renegotiating is if there's a provision in the contract stating it so. In sports media rights deals that would be highly unusual.
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1. Any contract can be renegotiated--even if the contract says it can't be. That's like having a law that says it cannot be repealed. That provision can't stop you from making a new contract that says the old one goes away.
2. ESPN may have gotten a sweet deal for 4 teams, but I don't think an 8-team playoff was ever on the table. If NCAA / power 5 conferences are on board with it, it will happen. Why in the world would ESPN say no to having 7 big-time games to broadcast instead of 3? Even if you make only half the profit, you're making way more money.
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i hope the big 12/bowlsby flies a banner around both games "we would beat you guys if we were playing in this game"
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Officiating crews
Rose Bowl: SEC
Sugar Bowl: P12
Champy Bowl: BigXII
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8 is a great number. The butthurt would not be the same as it is with 4. Every year there are about 5-6 teams that can make a claim that they are the best team. The 9th best team in the nation will probably be butthurt about being left out, but they can't really think they are the best team like the #5 and #6 teams can.
I think this is accurate. You'll still have complaining, just not legitimate complaining. Also, to any Power 5 rep the retort is easy: just win your conference and you wouldn't have had to leave it up to the pollsters.
Honestly did anyone expect this to stay a 4 team playoff? I always thought this was like a transitional thing to work out logistics and wean people off of the BCS en route to having a legitimate playoff.
They should go to 6 teams nest year with the top 2 getting a first round bye. Could take all of the P5 conference champs plus 1 at large.
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Officiating crews
Rose Bowl: SEC
Sugar Bowl: P12
Champy Bowl: BigXII
You really don't want your conference officials working that game. You'd rather have a team there.
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2. ESPN may have gotten a sweet deal for 4 teams, but I don't think an 8-team playoff was ever on the table. If NCAA / power 5 conferences are on board with it, it will happen. Why in the world would ESPN say no to having 7 big-time games to broadcast instead of 3? Even if you make only half the profit, you're making way more money.
If it diminishes the regular season (that is, fewer people watch between September and December) more than the increase in viewership related to having more playoff games, it would be a bad financial decision. For instance, what if there were 64 teams that made the college football playoff? Would that really be in ESPN's interest? There is a line that they don't want to cross; once you cross that line, you can't really go back, either. Arguably, college basketball has already crossed this line. You have a bunch of people watch for 3-4 days in March, but you don't get near as many people watching college basketball from November through February.
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Personally, I think ESPN loves the butthurt and controversy of having 5 power conferences and 4 playoff spots. It gives us all something stupid to talk about and debate.
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2. ESPN may have gotten a sweet deal for 4 teams, but I don't think an 8-team playoff was ever on the table. If NCAA / power 5 conferences are on board with it, it will happen. Why in the world would ESPN say no to having 7 big-time games to broadcast instead of 3? Even if you make only half the profit, you're making way more money.
If it diminishes the regular season (that is, fewer people watch between September and December) more than the increase in viewership related to having more playoff games, it would be a bad financial decision. For instance, what if there were 64 teams that made the college football playoff? Would that really be in ESPN's interest? There is a line that they don't want to cross; once you cross that line, you can't really go back, either. Arguably, college basketball has already crossed this line. You have a bunch of people watch for 3-4 days in March, but you don't get near as many people watching college basketball from November through February.
An eight team playoff would not cross this line that you speak of, and it most certainly wouldn't hurt regular season viewership. In fact, it would probably bolster regular season viewership for the mid-major confys and thier teams since they will have a better chance of getting to the National Championship game.
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2. ESPN may have gotten a sweet deal for 4 teams, but I don't think an 8-team playoff was ever on the table. If NCAA / power 5 conferences are on board with it, it will happen. Why in the world would ESPN say no to having 7 big-time games to broadcast instead of 3? Even if you make only half the profit, you're making way more money.
If it diminishes the regular season (that is, fewer people watch between September and December) more than the increase in viewership related to having more playoff games, it would be a bad financial decision. For instance, what if there were 64 teams that made the college football playoff? Would that really be in ESPN's interest? There is a line that they don't want to cross; once you cross that line, you can't really go back, either. Arguably, college basketball has already crossed this line. You have a bunch of people watch for 3-4 days in March, but you don't get near as many people watching college basketball from November through February.
An eight team playoff would not cross this line that you speak of, and it most certainly wouldn't hurt regular season viewership. In fact, it would probably bolster regular season viewership for the mid-major confys and thier teams since they will have a better chance of getting to the National Championship game.
Yea, I don't dispute that there probably IS a line to be crossed, but 8 teams isn't it. I agree it could bolster viewership for the group of 5 conferences, but I think the same could be said for the power 5 conferences. What if Florida State had lost one of those regular season games to a sub-par team? The ACC championship would have been meaningless from a playoff perspective.
A 4-team playoff can practically make the last quarter of a season meaningless for most teams. If anything, it's probably not the viewership of games that would be impacted so much as the viewership of the countless shows analyzing the rankings. Still, if they could make a big fuss about which TWO teams would get in, they should still have a good time talking about which three non conference-championship teams get in as at-large teams.
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Also, I think the player safety argument is ridiculous. Aside from the fact that high school and all other college divisions do it, if you make the conference championship the main determination of who gets a playoff berth then teams won't need to schedule the 3-4 pud non-conference games. Change it to one or two interesting games and you've just built in the ability to extend the season.
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Also, I think the player safety argument is ridiculous. Aside from the fact that high school and all other college divisions do it, if you make the conference championship the main determination of who gets a playoff berth then teams won't need to schedule the 3-4 pud non-conference games. Change it to one or two interesting games and you've just built in the ability to extend the season.
In going from a 4 to an 8 team playoff, you are extending the season by just 1 game for 4 of the 128 Division 1 (or whatever we are calling it now) teams. If less than 3% of players are playing an extra game, is it really a significant player safety issue?
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player safety is such a ridiculous argument, as is academics
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The Big 12's one voice on the CFP committee, Oliver Luck, is leaving WV for a job with the NCAA. Hopefully his replacement on the committee will be a bit more invested in the success of the conference. :dubious:
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If you really want the playoff to expand to eight before their contract expires, just one thing really needs to happen. The SEC getting shut out in consecutive years.
Won't probably happen though. (in regard to the SEC getting shut out or the contract being altered either way)
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Also, I think the player safety argument is ridiculous. Aside from the fact that high school and all other college divisions do it, if you make the conference championship the main determination of who gets a playoff berth then teams won't need to schedule the 3-4 pud non-conference games. Change it to one or two interesting games and you've just built in the ability to extend the season.
In going from a 4 to an 8 team playoff, you are extending the season by just 1 game for 4 of the 128 Division 1 (or whatever we are calling it now) teams. If less than 3% of players are playing an extra game, is it really a significant player safety issue?
They certainly aren't going to shorten the season for 128 teams because 4 need to play an extra game.
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8 is a great number. The butthurt would not be the same as it is with 4. Every year there are about 5-6 teams that can make a claim that they are the best team. The 9th best team in the nation will probably be butthurt about being left out, but they can't really think they are the best team like the #5 and #6 teams can.
I think this is accurate. You'll still have complaining, just not legitimate complaining. Also, to any Power 5 rep the retort is easy: just win your conference and you wouldn't have had to leave it up to the pollsters.
Honestly did anyone expect this to stay a 4 team playoff? I always thought this was like a transitional thing to work out logistics and wean people off of the BCS en route to having a legitimate playoff.
It won't happen before the contract is up. This has been discussed by the talking heads on ESPN.
Why College Football Playoff Expansion Won't Be Happening Anytime Soon
By Barrett Sallee , SEC Football Lead Writer
Dec 18, 2014
USA Today
ATLANTA — Proponents of College Football Playoff expansion are like kids on Christmas this holiday season.
They've ripped the wrapping paper off the gift, but before they open the packaging and play with the toy, they've moved on to unwrap the next present.
Here we are in mid-December, with the inaugural national semifinals and College Football Playoff National Championship Game looming, and calls for expanding the four-team playoff have already started.
ESPN.com polled 103 FBS coaches, and 44 percent of them were in favor of the postseason expanding to eight teams. That's not surprising, as bonus money would probably be owed to most or all of those in favor if they earned a playoff spot.
President Barack Obama even chimed in on the side of eight teams on The Herd with Colin Cowherd on ESPN Radio earlier this month (via AL.com). "[Expanding to four] was the right thing to do," he said, "and I suspect it'll end up being eight teams, and that'll be just about right."
If you're hoping for the playoff to be expanded anytime soon, you're going to be disappointed this holiday season.
It's not happening. Not for this generation of college football players, anyway.
"It's a four-team tournament for 12 years," College Football Playoff Executive Director Bill Hancock told B/R. "There hasn't been any discussion in our group about expanding."
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CASE CLOSED!!!
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4 is perfect anyway
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4 is perfect anyway
We better get used to it. Personally, I think it's great fun to have one of the conferences left out.