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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: catzacker on December 06, 2014, 07:34:50 PM
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Jesus rough ridin' Christ. It isn't rough ridin' working
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i think the alternative is them scoring in 1 play every drive
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Also, dakorey is playing like an incredibke pussy tonight. Very jake waters like.
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And if dana and del are listening, quit rough ridin' runnung our vagina for a QB on 3rd down.
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Protip Zacker: Neither Hayes, Del or Dimel are listening...
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they certainly aren't coaching... candy crush?
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And if dana and del are listening, quit rough ridin' runnung our vagina for a QB on 3rd down.
Petty is concussed and runs with more toughness.
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Tom Hayes is the last person on our staff that I'm upset with. Our offense is an abortion.
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Tom Hayes is the last person on our staff that I'm upset with. Our offense is an abortion.
They just need to not run waters, especially on third down. There are 6yr old girls that run tougher than him. The pop pass thing is dead.
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Jesus, zacker, stop being such a sexist POS.
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i think the average 6yr old girl runs harder than the average 6yr old boy
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Jesus, zacker, stop being such a sexist POS.
At 6 girls are more developed than boys, i was trying to give waters some credit.
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I honestly feel like Snyder and company are perfectly content with nine win top fifteen type teams that can't compete with the heavyweights. Maybe they feel like it's our ceiling so they aren't going to do anything to change the way they coach or recruit.
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i feel like you are a rough ridin' idiot
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i feel like you are a rough ridin' idiot
Like I give two squirts what a little crap like you thinks.
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Tom Hayes is the last person on our staff that I'm upset with. Our offense is an abortion.
They just need to not run waters, especially on third down. There are 6yr old girls that run tougher than him. The pop pass thing is dead.
Totally agree
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Brought burns off the edge. Burns naturally whiffed.
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Brought burns off the edge. Burns naturally whiffed.
We've whiffed all year, nothing new.
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Bend but don't break don't work when you break.
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We can't get even get lined up in our goddamn pathetic rough ridin' zone on time. And the play before we actually blitzed and dakorey's dumbass can't make one rough ridin' play.
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We can't get even get lined up in our goddamn pathetic rough ridin' zone on time. And the play before we actually blitzed and dakorey's dumbass can't make one rough ridin' play.
Yeah, Dakorey is having a rough game.
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JFC. QB draws/powers on 3rd down are rough ridin' killing the offense. 3 different times now. What rough ridin' idiots.
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Brought burns off the edge. Burns naturally whiffed.
We've whiffed all year, nothing new.
Oh it was Dakory, drugs?
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We can't get even get lined up in our goddamn pathetic rough ridin' zone on time. And the play before we actually blitzed and dakorey's dumbass can't make one rough ridin' play.
Yeah, Dakorey is having a rough game.
Not nearly as bad as Evans.
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What is worse than Dakorey? Answer: Will Davis.
We are such crap.
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Keep sawing wood Tom. There are tons of trees in the world.
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I strongly dislike the job that 17 yr old line judge is doing. I also hate our defensive scheme
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Same prevent defense as usual. All it does is prevent the other teams punter from getting tired. When half of your team is walkons, you can't hang with this kind of offense.
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Same prevent defense as usual. All it does is prevent the other teams punter from getting tired. When half of your team is walkons, you can't hang with this kind of offense.
My (old) dad likes to say that the prevent defense prevents you from winning
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Same prevent defense as usual. All it does is prevent the other teams punter from getting tired. When half of your team is walkons, you can't hang with this kind of offense.
My (old) dad likes to say that the prevent defense prevents you from winning
He's wise.
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Not really prevent. Bend but don't break with a lot of break tonight. I mean 500+ yards through 3 quarters is pretty bad.
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Same prevent defense as usual. All it does is prevent the other teams punter from getting tired. When half of your team is walkons, you can't hang with this kind of offense.
My (old) dad likes to say that the prevent defense prevents you from winning
bloodlines
Gonna win 'em all!
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I like the idea of our defense, but like fan said, we're just breaking too much
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I mean the only reason we do this bend don't break thing is to be gimmicky. Not like we weren't pretty aggressive back in the day when we had a stable of studs.
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I mean the only reason we do this bend don't break thing is to be gimmicky. Not like we weren't pretty aggressive back in the day when we had a stable of studs.
No, I think it's very smart based on today's offenses. If we played like we did in late 90's, we'd get burnt like crazy.
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I mean the only reason we do this bend don't break thing is to be gimmicky. Not like we weren't pretty aggressive back in the day when we had a stable of studs.
No, I think it's very smart based on today's offenses. If we played like we did in late 90's, we'd get burnt like crazy.
Yeah I mean I think we're saying the same thing.
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Its a smart gimmick but still a gimmick
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Why didn't we run the sack the QB play all night?
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Finally got to petty, it's probably too late though.
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As I'm saying this, instant two sacks
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Why didn't we run the sack the QB play all night?
much less gimmicky when we sack qb's
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wildcat pass is gimmicky
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wildcat pass is gimmicky
Very.
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It's like, I knew we were going to run a pass
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It's like, I knew we were going to run a pass
Been waiting all year for that
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I've never seen a defense so willing to just sit back and lose. If the bend-but-don't-break isn't working, why did we never try anything else?
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It's so exhausting when the opposing QB needs to make 1 pre-snap read and then deliver the ball for 10+ yards all the way down the field. 3 step drop, open receiver. I hate our scheme.
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I too, am so sick of this soft Also can't even remember how many missed tackles we had tonight.
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gives us the best chance to beat a team like baylor with our current roster. infuriating to watch though. Baylor didn't make enough mistakes last night and our offense wasn't good enough either. the bad start was killer, we go down 14, end up losing game by 11.
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Tom Hayes has more job security as Kstate's DC than when he ran a bar.
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38 points vs Baylor isn't that bad. Tbh this morning I am not as mad at the D. I'm still rough ridin' fuming at the offense.
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38 points vs Baylor isn't that bad. Tbh this morning I am not as mad at the D. I'm still rough ridin' fuming at the offense.
yep, 100% agree. the D did what we need them to do to beat baylor. offense needed to hold the ball and finish drives. we won TOP but didn't finish drives with TDs. two poor drives to start the game puts the d in a real bad spot. with better offensive production it's a totally different game.
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The offensive line is the most disappointing element of this team. Nothing else comes close.
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The offensive line is the most disappointing element of this team. Nothing else comes close.
Camping trips tho
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The offensive line is the most disappointing element of this team. Nothing else comes close.
We took an offensive line that jammed the ball down people's throats and made them pass protect and they did pretty okay.
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The offensive line is the most disappointing element of this team. Nothing else comes close.
We took an offensive line that jammed the ball down people's throats and made them pass protect and they did pretty okay.
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Yea, and where did that "jamming the ball down people's throats" go to? We tried to run, and they were incapable of opening up holes most of the time. I understand it's much easier to sellout in the run game when you don't have to account for a QB like Klein or Daniel, but jfc. There's no way you can look at the combined experience of that unit and not be fuming. Even with tempering expectations to account for Whitehair's position change, the offensive line failed to even come close to performing as they should have.
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38 points vs Baylor isn't that bad. Tbh this morning I am not as mad at the D. I'm still rough ridin' fuming at the offense.
Should have been 31, we were cheated by the replay official.
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The offensive line is the most disappointing element of this team. Nothing else comes close.
We took an offensive line that jammed the ball down people's throats and made them pass protect and they did pretty okay.
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Yea, and where did that "jamming the ball down people's throats" go to? We tried to run, and they were incapable of opening up holes most of the time. I understand it's much easier to sellout in the run game when you don't have to account for a QB like Klein or Daniel, but jfc. There's no way you can look at the combined experience of that unit and not be fuming. Even with tempering expectations to account for Whitehair's position change, the offensive line failed to even come close to performing as they should have.
I think it's tough to ask a line to have a finesse mindset on most downs and then ask the same guys to play smash mouth football on some other downs. They weren't great at either. 1) having an elite WR, 2) and a competent QB to get him the ball, and 3) no good/great RB options and the staff decides to put out there what we saw.
I think the line was capable of being that great line but the staff put them in a tough spot and they couldn't do anything great.
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I mean there are two guys there that will get NFL contracts.
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38 points vs Baylor isn't that bad. Tbh this morning I am not as mad at the D. I'm still rough ridin' fuming at the offense.
we were never going to get the stop we needed. once we got down 14, the game was over.
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38 points vs Baylor isn't that bad. Tbh this morning I am not as mad at the D. I'm still rough ridin' fuming at the offense.
we were never going to get the stop we needed. once we got down 14, the game was over.
This, I'm surprised they punted even once
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The offensive line is the most disappointing element of this team. Nothing else comes close.
We took an offensive line that jammed the ball down people's throats and made them pass protect and they did pretty okay.
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Yea, and where did that "jamming the ball down people's throats" go to? We tried to run, and they were incapable of opening up holes most of the time. I understand it's much easier to sellout in the run game when you don't have to account for a QB like Klein or Daniel, but jfc. There's no way you can look at the combined experience of that unit and not be fuming. Even with tempering expectations to account for Whitehair's position change, the offensive line failed to even come close to performing as they should have.
This. How can we not be super pissed about the o line run blocking? Dickey is supposed to be the Olineman Whisperer. The last 2 years our line was supposed to be a strong point. Last year they weren't special and this year has been a disaster. With their experience this is completely inexcusable. I'm totally ok with getting rid of Dickey although Snyder will never fire anyone
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The simple facts are we have too many "feel good" stories on the O-line. I've had enough of the DITR and the walk-ons and all that crap, it just points to how poorly this staff recruits.
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I wonder what Dvonta thinks about our defense.
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Same prevent defense as usual. All it does is prevent the other teams punter from getting tired. When half of your team is walkons, you can't hang with this kind of offense.
This. They can only do so much. Watching Truman last night was painful.
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I mean there are two guys there that will get NFL contracts.
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Do you not realize that all you're doing is contradicting yourself?
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wasting dakorey (even though he sucked last night) was great. glad we're doing the same with dvonta. I mean, Truman, Will Davis. Sucksville. And not to shovel dirt, but Shellenberg is not a big 12 safety, he's no even a big12 backup...and what's worse is that T Green has been out for what? 6 weeks? And our backup safety (Prewitt) can't be trusted to be in there. I mean, wtf. nate Jackson was terrible, he missed so many rough ridin' tackles.
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I mean there are two guys there that will get NFL contracts.
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Do you not realize that all you're doing is contradicting yourself?
I'm saying the offense was not geared to their strengths and that's why they underwhelmed. There is still talent there tho.
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wasting dakorey (even though he sucked last night) was great. glad we're doing the same with dvonta. I mean, Truman, Will Davis. Sucksville. And not to shovel dirt, but Shellenberg is not a big 12 safety, he's no even a big12 backup...and what's worse is that T Green has been out for what? 6 weeks? And our backup safety (Prewitt) can't be trusted to be in there. I mean, wtf. nate Jackson was terrible, he missed so many rough ridin' tackles.
like, I don't mind the style we play but it would be cool if we had like better players or used our better players more. so in that regard I guess you can be mad at Hayes.
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and we continue to refuse to go the juco route :whistle1:
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and we continue to refuse to go the juco route :whistle1:
Is it true that Riddle is gone?
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I wish more of our juco players would do things the right way so they could see the field more. can't wait to see what the crop of walkons look like next year.
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I don't think we get very many elite JUCO players any more. Not near like we did in the 90s anyway. :dunno:
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jucos are, imo, a waste if they aren't used for two years. why recruit them? if they aren't good enough to immediately see the field, then it's a waste of rough ridin' time.
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I don't think we get very many elite JUCO players any more. Not near like we did in the 90s anyway. :dunno:
Would it matter? They don't see the field until a year in which defeats the purpose.
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jucos are, imo, a waste if they aren't used for two years. why recruit them? if they aren't good enough to immediately see the field, then it's a waste of rough ridin' time.
I agree.
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jucos are, imo, a waste if they aren't used for two years. why recruit them? if they aren't good enough to immediately see the field, then it's a waste of rough ridin' time.
Because we can't secure equally talented players out of HS
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jucos are, imo, a waste if they aren't used for two years. why recruit them? if they aren't good enough to immediately see the field, then it's a waste of rough ridin' time.
Because we can't secure equally talented players out of HS
actually, we play those HS kids ahead of the juco kids. I mean, there isn't a juco Lb better than Truman? Will Davis? Oh wait, there's two: Dakorey and Dvonta. And it took Dakorey an entire f'ing year. And who the hell knows about Dvonta.
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If Riddle and Dvonta are both gone lets BID. Was looking forward to stout D next year (assuming we'd stop sitting back against good offenses), but now it seems like we won't even have that. Next year is going to suck.
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If Riddle and Dvonta are both gone lets BID. Was looking forward to stout D next year (assuming we'd stop sitting back against good offenses), but now it seems like we won't even have that. Next year is going to suck.
So Will Davis and Trent Tanking might be our starting LB's next year? Woof.
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If Riddle and Dvonta are both gone lets BID. Was looking forward to stout D next year (assuming we'd stop sitting back against good offenses), but now it seems like we won't even have that. Next year is going to suck.
So Will Davis and Trent Tanking might be our starting LB's next year? Woof.
I'm still trying to figure out if they're gone or not. I'm hearing rumors but none of the supposed in the know types on here are saying anything. If Tanking and Davis are the starters next year I might not watcha game.
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that would be v sad
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our defense was very frustrating last night.
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If Riddle and Dvonta are both gone lets BID. Was looking forward to stout D next year (assuming we'd stop sitting back against good offenses), but now it seems like we won't even have that. Next year is going to suck.
Jesus you're the worst!
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If Riddle and Dvonta are both gone lets BID. Was looking forward to stout D next year (assuming we'd stop sitting back against good offenses), but now it seems like we won't even have that. Next year is going to suck.
Jesus you're the worst!
I mean, what was wrong with what I said? Is our d not going to be sucky next year without Riddle and Dvonta if both are actually gone? Linebacker seems like an important position
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If Riddle and Dvonta are both gone lets BID. Was looking forward to stout D next year (assuming we'd stop sitting back against good offenses), but now it seems like we won't even have that. Next year is going to suck.
Jesus you're the worst!
I mean, what was wrong with what I said? Is our d not going to be sucky next year without Riddle and Dvonta if both are actually gone? Linebacker seems like an important position
They're not gone and we have no understanding yet if they're even capable of playing at this level yet. Stop melting down.
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If Riddle and Dvonta are both gone lets BID. Was looking forward to stout D next year (assuming we'd stop sitting back against good offenses), but now it seems like we won't even have that. Next year is going to suck.
Jesus you're the worst!
I mean, what was wrong with what I said? Is our d not going to be sucky next year without Riddle and Dvonta if both are actually gone? Linebacker seems like an important position
They're not gone and we have no understanding yet if they're even capable of playing at this level yet. Stop melting down.
No one is melting down yet. Just made a point that it will suck if they are both gone. Jeez wacky. Chillax
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No one is melting down because everyone knew this game would happen, pretty much exactly as it did
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i would be very surprised if dvonta is still here come the spring game based upon what i am hearing.
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i would be very surprised if dvonta is still here come the spring game based upon what i am hearing.
Grades?
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My perception has always been a person has to work really hard to get kicked off or dismissed from a Snyder team. :dunno:
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Is this the thread to talk about the slothfense approach? It was maddening in the 4th quarter watching us use 35 seconds between plays that were designed to gain 7 yards. Can someone with HFBIQ explain to me why we ALWAYS have to sub, huddle, set, motion, check with me, audible, set before the snap???? We were down 2 scores and even if we scored, we were going to need a quick 3 and out to have any time.
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I've watched pretty much every KSU game except a few in 2008 and I can't remember any hurry up drives in Snyder 2.0. Someone help me. Even when we forced the punt before half, it was like we were hoping to get to the 30 with 2 seconds left to try a field goal.
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Is this the thread to talk about the slothfense approach? It was maddening in the 4th quarter watching us use 35 seconds between plays that were designed to gain 7 yards. Can someone with HFBIQ explain to me why we ALWAYS have to sub, huddle, set, motion, check with me, audible, set before the snap???? We were down 2 scores and even if we scored, we were going to need a quick 3 and out to have any time.
Because that's the system CF3, got dammit! Never question the system!
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i would be very surprised if dvonta is still here come the spring game based upon what i am hearing.
Grades?
no idea. it won't be my scoop to break if and when things are confirmed. the source is an A, tho.
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The system worked great in 2012 with in games with leads. Was amazing. But last night wasn't 2012 and we never had a lead. I readily admit I'm a LFBIQ fan who never played/coached but there is nothing more maddening to me about our team than the lack of urgency when behind. I even get it early in the game last night because we want to limit Baylor's chances but my word the check with me's are making me bonkers.
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We needed a more athletic RB; one that can make some plays despite the oline. DMac, while a good blocker, wasn't that type of RB. Jones is decent but being predominantly used in the Wildcat limited his opportunities.
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I've watched pretty much every KSU game except a few in 2008 and I can't remember any hurry up drives in Snyder 2.0. Someone help me. Even when we forced the punt before half, it was like we were hoping to get to the 30 with 2 seconds left to try a field goal.
Last drive of the TCU game last season.
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I've watched pretty much every KSU game except a few in 2008 and I can't remember any hurry up drives in Snyder 2.0. Someone help me. Even when we forced the punt before half, it was like we were hoping to get to the 30 with 2 seconds left to try a field goal.
Last drive of the TCU game last season.
We had like negative 1 seconds left to try a long FG.
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The defensive strategy would have worked against Baylor if our players would have made tackles. Hayes has figured out how to stop the high powered offenses we see. It's just unfortunate that he can't find players to plug into his system that are good enough to make it work.
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I do think we tried to dial up some different stuff in the 2nd half, like the corner blitz on the first play when Burns completely whiffed on the sack. We also tried to send 5 at Petty but it only paid off with a couple sacks after it was probably too late.
To me the biggest problem with this year's defense (and last year's) was we didn't force TOs. The numbers overall for yards and points per play weren't that different.
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Is it just me, or all year long did our blitzers just take horrible angles? I think I pondered in another thread that they must have been practicing against a QB who was a freaking statue. (I HOPE THIS IS NOT A SIGN OF THINGS FOR HUBENER)!
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Is it just me, or all year long did our blitzers just take horrible angles? I think I pondered in another thread that they must have been practicing against a QB who was a freaking statue. (I HOPE THIS IS NOT A SIGN OF THINGS FOR HUBENER)!
Agreed.
Burns was laughable on Sat. It was like Petty was a bull fighter and he waved the red cape and Burns ran right by him.
Gonna win 'em all!
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I thought that was Johnson (rather than Burns) fellows.... :dunno:
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Is it just me, or all year long did our blitzers just take horrible angles? I think I pondered in another thread that they must have been practicing against a QB who was a freaking statue. (I HOPE THIS IS NOT A SIGN OF THINGS FOR HUBENER)!
they weren't bad angles. the blitzers didn't come in under control or breakdown. dakorey committed these mistakes time and time again this season.