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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: ednksu on November 23, 2014, 04:01:13 AM
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http://www.salon.com/2014/11/19/house_republicans_just_passed_a_bill_forbidding_scientists_from_advising_the_epa_on_their_own_research/
Book learnin!?!?! :buh-bye: No thank you!
~House GOP
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I don't think calling every point of disagreement "a war on [nebulous object]" makes for good discourse.
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War on Discourse
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Greenies Gone Wild In the EPA Temple. These squirrel loving, leaf eaters, and tree huggers believe nature is god, and use science to create problems to scare the crap out of people or use it to force the goal forward of total regulatory control of business, people, and culture by the federal government. They argue everything depends on nature and a clean environment thus the ultimate application of the interstate commerce clause. For example, EPA is proposing to extend the term Waters of U.S. to include gullies, ditches and mud holes in the middle of a section. If I fill in a frog breeding mud hole on the renocat ranchette, I could be thrown in jail with a big hairy happy boy that wants to practice squirrel lovin'. Many drinking water regulations standards limits have been lowered due to technology that can detect less trace carcinogens; the trouble is you have to drink a semi tanker of water a day to get the cancer. Greenies use science as tool of war on people who want a sensible approach to protecting our ecosphere without destroying our ability to live and survive.
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Those assholes need to quit finding cancer causing drainage sources. Absolutely pisses me off.
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Every time you hear a libtard caterwauling about "the GOP war on _______", you know it probably isn't.
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With a wink and a nod to special interest groups, the EPA refuses to defend itself against lawsuits filed against the EPA by these special interests groups (guess which side of the political ledger these special interests reside). The EPA then enters into binding closed door settlements with these special interests and then writes a myriad of new rules which are placed on the ledgers without any manner of public debate or discussion.
Amen!! Beautifully stated
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I, for one, would be greatly pleased if the EPA went away.
I have been dying to get some of that boss ass orange mist that they have in China.
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Yes that libtard Nixon and his Clean Air Act, what a socialist. Also wont read anything from Salondotcom, they are the worst of the left.
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Yes that libtard Nixon and his Clean Air Act, what a socialist. Also wont read anything from Salondotcom, they are the worst of the left.
Salon is pretty liberal, and I'm pretty sure Nixon didn't intend for the EPA to later construe the Clean Air Act as applying to CO2 in addition to, you know, actual polution. That's the problem with bureaucratic mission creep.
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Yes that libtard Nixon and his Clean Air Act, what a socialist. Also wont read anything from Salondotcom, they are the worst of the left.
Salon is pretty liberal, and I'm pretty sure Nixon didn't intend for the EPA to later construe the Clean Air Act as applying to CO2 in addition to, you know, actual polution. That's the problem with bureaucratic mission creep.
Yup, libs believe if a government rep / bureaucrat isn't voting on new laws and pushing for more regulations, they're obstructionists.
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Greenies Gone Wild In the EPA Temple. These squirrel loving, leaf eaters, and tree huggers believe nature is god, and use science to create problems to scare the crap out of people or use it to force the goal forward of total regulatory control of business, people, and culture by the federal government. They argue everything depends on nature and a clean environment thus the ultimate application of the interstate commerce clause. For example, EPA is proposing to extend the term Waters of U.S. to include gullies, ditches and mud holes in the middle of a section. If I fill in a frog breeding mud hole on the renocat ranchette, I could be thrown in jail with a big hairy happy boy that wants to practice squirrel lovin'. Many drinking water regulations standards limits have been lowered due to technology that can detect less trace carcinogens; the trouble is you have to drink a semi tanker of water a day to get the cancer. Greenies use science as tool of war on people who want a sensible approach to protecting our ecosphere without destroying our ability to live and survive.
I wrote to EPA on this issue. (I didn't use any of the language you used above.)
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"Science" by mob rule - that's just the libtard way.
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Yet more strawmen from the resident prog-lib's who have a mentality that demands for transparency, debate and discourse over public policy are calls for the complete elimination of a regularity body and a total free-for-all in a non regulated environment.
Apparently the resident prog-libs prefer a climate of rule by decree.
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That's a fair point . I guess I just view the EPA as something with good intention, not bad intentions of ruining the country.
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Yet more strawmen from the resident prog-lib's who have a mentality that demands for transparency, debate and discourse over public policy are calls for the complete elimination of a regularity body and a total free-for-all in a non regulated environment.
Apparently the resident prog-libs prefer a climate of rule by decree.
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That's a fair point . I guess I just view the EPA as something with good intention, not bad intentions of ruining the country.
What do "good intentions" have to do with anything? The road to hell is paved with them. Having good intentions does not make you less susceptible to groupthink.
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Yet more strawmen from the resident prog-lib's who have a mentality that demands for transparency, debate and discourse over public policy are calls for the complete elimination of a regularity body and a total free-for-all in a non regulated environment.
Apparently the resident prog-libs prefer a climate of rule by decree.
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That's a fair point . I guess I just view the EPA as something with good intention, not bad intentions of ruining the country.
What do "good intentions" have to do with anything? The road to hell is paved with them. Having good intentions does not make you less susceptible to groupthink.
I guess the main difference in our idealogical viewpoints, Is I believe government can be a place where people come together, and make things better, so I dont have this just natural distrust of everything the government does like you (except for some recent current events). So that is how i view the EPA, i dont think its just a bunch of scientists trying to screw the oil/coal lobbery bc theyll make a whole bunch of money doing it.
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[quote auth?or=sonofdaxjones link=topic=33808.msg1264440#msg1264440 date=1416924089]
Prog-Lib Boner Friday. Around 3,500 new regulations released this Friday and soon to be on the books.
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This is scary stuff. I read today that six of regs will cost society 100 million or more to comply with. The coal regs will hurt consumers and the appalachia region. I found the notice on the fe
deral register about changing the definition of Waters of The U.S. in the Clean Water Act. The buzz word in this proposed reg is nexus. Which I take to mean if a channel, ditch, mudhole,gully through which water could get to a navigable river. lake or ocean then that watercourse can be regulated by the EPA. I know most people do not care, but this is a reg that could be the basis for the federal government to extend its control even more. This reg had pages of science from environmental marauders justifying the definition change that they say is needed because the courts ruled twice the federal government overstepped its regulatory authority.
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If a citizen has a body of water on their property and dumps something in that body of water that could reasonably contribute to polluting bodies of water that run through other's property, it should be regulated. How do ppl not get this?
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Every time you hear a libtard caterwauling about "the GOP war on _______", you know it probably isn't.
Yes, it's definitely only liberals who do that.
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/8evbk2/the-battle-for-the-war-on-women
(Watch clip all the way through for maximum boom roastedness of K-S-U-W.)
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If a citizen has a body of water on their property and dumps something in that body of water that could reasonably contribute to polluting bodies of water that run through other's property, it should be regulated. How do ppl not get this?
When a dry ditch is characterized as a "body of water" and said regulator has powers of civil and criminal enforcement, it's a huge problem. How do ppl not get this?
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A normally dry ditch in Tucson.
Lets dump a bunch of old motor oil, tractor parts, batteries, and basically everything else farmers toss in creeks and ponds. What could possibly go wrong?
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A normally dry ditch in Tucson.
Lets dump a bunch of old motor oil, tractor parts, batteries, and basically everything else farmers toss in creeks and ponds. What could possibly go wrong?
Why in the eff would a farmer do such a thing since they make their living off of the land? Farmers are some of the best conservationists around because they see the benefits first hand and benefit from sound practices. It's not the dirty thirties anymore.
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As a hunter, I see creek banks and the like full of trash, old vehicles, etc all the time in north central ks. Not rare at all. Like, at all.
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The sins of our grandfathers doesn't mean that's a common practice anymore.
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As a hunter, I see creek banks and the like full of trash, old vehicles, etc all the time in north central ks. Not rare at all. Like, at all.
Yeah, HH is crazy. Every farmer I know cares about conserving topsoil and nothing else.
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My farmer grandpa used to dump all them trash he couldn't burn into one of these unregulated ditches (and still might). crap like oil filters into a ditch literally on the same quarter as an always flowing creek that I fished in as a kid. So stupid.
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Good grief people. An oil filter some jagoff pitches in a ditch is not at issue here. Are we gonna have the epa issue CMP's to people who pitch a cigarette butt out their car window? Think before you post.
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Good grief people. An oil filter some jagoff pitches in a ditch is not at issue here. Are we gonna have the epa issue CMP's to people who pitch a cigarette butt out their car window? Think before you post.
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The EPA, litterors and the careless, you're on notice!