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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: CHONGS on November 21, 2014, 12:12:47 PM
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8 teams
Champs from the Power 5
Highest ranked team from non-Power 5
Two wildcard (two highest ranked remaining teams, but they both cannot be from the same conference)
This means the most a conference can get into the playoffs is 2 teams. Everyone gets a chance. I don't care if this means a Marshall-ish team gets in, if a power 5 team wanted in they should have won their conference.
This above is the recipe for a proper playoff in college football.
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Agreed. /thread
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will agree if confirmed first round is home game for higher seed.
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8 teams
Champs from the Power 5
Highest ranked team from non-Power 5
Two wildcard (two highest ranked remaining teams, but they both cannot be from the same conference)
This means the most a conference can get into the playoffs is 2 teams. Everyone gets a chance. I don't care if this means a Marshall-ish team gets in, if a power 5 team wanted in they should have won their conference.
This above is the recipe for a proper playoff in college football.
if we can just get a couple of upsets in the SEC over the next few weeks we might get something similar to this next year :thumbs:
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will agree if confirmed first round is home game for higher seed.
Disagree. There will be specific venues ready for which conference has the higher seed. For example if the Big 12 champ is the higher seed, the game is played in Cowboy stadium, if the SEC it's Atlanta, ACC it's Jacksonville, Big Ten it's Indianapolis, Pac 12 it's Rose Bowl. If the higher seed is a non Power 5 (like ND) then the game will be played at the pre-determined flex-location (let's say tied with a bowl so Fiesta).
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Groundbreaking, no one has suggested this until . . . now :thumbsup:
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will agree if confirmed first round is home game for higher seed.
Disagree. There will be specific venues ready for which conference has the higher seed. For example if the Big 12 champ is the higher seed, the game is played in Cowboy stadium, if the SEC it's Atlanta, ACC it's Jacksonville, Big Ten it's Indianapolis, Pac 12 it's Rose Bowl. If the higher seed is a non Power 5 (like ND) then the game will be played at the pre-determined flex-location (let's say tied with a bowl so Fiesta).
i'm out. dumb idea.
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great fix, chings. thanks for taking the time.
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I don't think it's that groundbreaking (especially the 8 teams, confy champ stuff). I don't think I've seen the reservation of a spot for the highest ranked non P5 team and two wildcards based only on ranking that have to be from different conferences. Or the fixed venues.
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great fix, chings. thanks for taking the time.
no problem guys, it's what I do: fix things. anything else wrong with cfb I can fix (I am changing the thread name to reflect this)?
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great fix, chings. thanks for taking the time.
no problem guys, it's what I do: fix things. anything else wrong with cfb I can fix (I am changing the thread name to reflect this)?
how about the problem of preseason polls? I don't think they're "fair", but they affect the end-of-season polls.
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I don't think we should go to 8 teams. It extends the season too long. 4 is enough. However I would be in favor of 8 teams being voted on my a committee at the end of the season and those 8 teams have a chance to get into the playoff. You seed the 8 teams and they play for the "right" to get into the 4 team playoff with the winners getting in. This way you keep the playoff at 4 teams but also make sure that you get the 4 best. :th_twocents:
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I don't think we should go to 8 teams. It extends the season too long. 4 is enough. However I would be in favor of 8 teams being voted on my a committee at the end of the season and those 8 teams have a chance to get into the playoff. You seed the 8 teams and they play for the "right" to get into the 4 team playoff with the winners getting in. This way you keep the playoff at 4 teams but also make sure that you get the 4 best. :th_twocents:
There are currently like 8 weeks between the last game and bowls
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Questions:
Chings doesn't 3 neutral site games seem like a lot for the 2 that make the 'ship?
Can we then just ban altogether playing FCS teams? I'm getting tired of that. Especially these November SEC games. There's no reason for Alabama to be playing West Carolina this weekend.
Basically, I'd like SOME form of universal schedule requirements across college football. Like, no more FCS teams.
Clock stopping on 1st down is kinda pointless. Let's get rid of it.
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great fix, chings. thanks for taking the time.
no problem guys, it's what I do: fix things. anything else wrong with cfb I can fix (I am changing the thread name to reflect this)?
how about the problem of preseason polls? I don't think they're "fair", but they affect the end-of-season polls.
Well (for one) the rankings discussed in the playoff fix will be similar to the cfp poll now (determined by a committee so not AP, coaches, etc.), and will not be released until all P5 teams have played 2 conference games. For the rankings, the committee will go through two cycles.
Cycle 1: they get only objective statistics (which ones? the committee will decide before the season which set, but it will be the common sense ones like wins, losses, points scored, points allowed, yards, hopefully possesion based stats as well, but NO stats that claim to adjust for strength of schedule or are based on anything other than box score information). Team names are anonymized. So, for example, you would get KSU's stats but it would say this is "Team 34"s stats (this ID number would change every week so a committee member can't remember that TCU is "Team 12"). Each committee member submits their rankings and the results get combined. This will be the baseline rankings and team names will get re-attached.
Cycle 2: using the baseline rankings, the entire committee debates and adjusts to seed the top 32 teams. Here "eyeball" tests and strength of schedule can be argued, but arguments should still be grounded on the data from the baseline rankings. The top 25 is released. This is the ranking used to seed the playoffs.
As for the AP and coaches, well you can't stop people from making polls so you let them.
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They should have two sites for the first-round games.
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I don't think we should go to 8 teams. It extends the season too long. 4 is enough. However I would be in favor of 8 teams being voted on my a committee at the end of the season and those 8 teams have a chance to get into the playoff. You seed the 8 teams and they play for the "right" to get into the 4 team playoff with the winners getting in. This way you keep the playoff at 4 teams but also make sure that you get the 4 best. :th_twocents:
There are currently like 8 weeks between the last game and bowls
Yeah.
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They should have two sites for the first-round games.
Like, a saturday and sunday game or whatever at 2 different venues? So Atlanta hosts 2 games, and houston does too or whatever?
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They should have two sites for the first-round games.
Like, a saturday and sunday game or whatever at 2 different venues? So Atlanta hosts 2 games, and houston does too or whatever?
But maybe Friday and Saturday to reduce the advantage of those teams in the early game.
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Questions:
Chings doesn't 3 neutral site games seem like a lot for the 2 that make the 'ship?
Can we then just ban altogether playing FCS teams? I'm getting tired of that. Especially these November SEC games. There's no reason for Alabama to be playing West Carolina this weekend.
Basically, I'd like SOME form of universal schedule requirements across college football. Like, no more FCS teams.
Clock stopping on 1st down is kinda pointless. Let's get rid of it.
Not really IMHO. If you are really good enough to win a champ then home field shouldn't be that important. Plus, if you are the higher ranked team you will get to play pretty damn close to your fanbase.
Schedule requirements? Team should be able to schedule games in any order they see fit. Must play at least 11 FBS teams. In order to remain a P5 conference all of your members must play at least 1 P5 team ooc.
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What about moving to the NFL rule, not down unless someone touches you?
I don't love college overtime. Chings, does it need fixing or is it ok?
There are too many reviews. This needs fixing.
Should all P5 have to have a conference 'ship game?
Chings good work so far but pls fix the stuff above if you have a chance.
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What about moving to the NFL rule, not down unless someone touches you?
I don't love college overtime. Chings, does it need fixing or is it ok?
There are too many reviews. This needs fixing.
Should all P5 have to have a conference 'ship game?
Chings good work so far but pls fix the stuff above if you have a chance.
Oh clock stays stopped on a first down. (rule stays the same, doesn't need fixing)
Nope, you are down when your knee (et al) are down. (rule stays the same, doesn't need fixing)
Review are fine, work to speed up the process as well as log the process. (perhaps at the end of the game, justifications for the review decisions are made public [based on the log])
No, as long as you play everyone in your conference you do not need a 'ship game.
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Man this is great. I know where I go next time I see an issue
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There's plenty of time for 3 rounds. Give a week off after the final week, play rounds 1 & 2, another week off then the championship game is still the same week it currently is.
First round rotated regionally, 1 NE, 1 SE, 1 MW, 1 West, highest ranked teams sent to the closest location bball tourney style. 2nd round and championship run in the same way they are now.
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How many fans do you think will make 3 cross country trips in a month to watch their team play 3 neutral site games? Not many. And in the case of the conferences with championship games you'd be asking those fans to make 4 trips. It only works if the first game is on campus.
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I think TV ratings are like, a thousand times more important than how many fans show up.
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I think TV ratings are like, a thousand times more important than how many fans show up.
TV ratings would be great for Michigan State at Alabama round 1 playoffs.
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I think TV ratings are like, a thousand times more important than how many fans show up.
TV ratings would be great for Michigan State at Alabama round 1 playoffs.
I'd have to do the math, but I'm guessing 105,000 tickets times at least $100 each is a lot of money.
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I think TV ratings are like, a thousand times more important than how many fans show up.
Yea and does anyone really think these games would have trouble selling tickets?
Alabama vs Marshall in Atlanta
Oregon vs Baylor in LA
Florida St. vs Ohio St. in (insert whatever NE area stadium you want)
Mississippi St. vs TCU in Dallas
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Also 3 neutral site games means a team is on the road for what, like, 4 straight weeks??
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I think TV ratings are like, a thousand times more important than how many fans show up.
Yea and does anyone really think these games would have trouble selling tickets?
Alabama vs Marshall in Atlanta
Oregon vs Baylor in LA
Florida St. vs Ohio St. in (insert whatever NE area stadium you want)
Mississippi St. vs TCU in Dallas
If I'm Bama fan I don't buy tickets to that game because I'll wait to travel to round 2.
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Also 3 neutral site games means a team is on the road for what, like, 4 straight weeks??
Have you heard of this little thing called the NCAA Men's basketball tournament?
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Also 3 neutral site games means a team is on the road for what, like, 4 straight weeks??
Have you heard of this little thing called the NCAA Men's basketball tournament?
i have yes
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Did the SEC recently mandate all their teams play a P5 OOC every year or was that just a rumor/future thing?
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Chings can you implement a rule where replay officials can, for lack of better term, "simulcast" replay angles? It's like so many times they have one camera angle where you can absolutely tell when the ball comes out but you can't see when his knee hits. Other angle you see his knee down but can't see the ball. Everybody says "whelp! Didn't get it all from one angle. Guess we don't have conclusive video evidence."
Yes you do, dummy. You have indisputable video evidence of both critical events and all you need to do is play them along side one another and compare. It's not rocket science and it continues to baffle me why they don't implement this technique.
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Did the SEC recently mandate all their teams play a P5 OOC every year or was that just a rumor/future thing?
Yes, not sure when it goes into effect tho. There was an ESPN article about teams blowing up the phone lines trying to get a game scheduled against KU. :frown:
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I like the idea chings but the first round games need to be played at home stadiums of the higher ranked team.
Getting 40,000 fans to travel to 3 neutral sight games in a row would be difficult for even the bluest of blue bloods. TV ratings would be great but having 20,000 empty seats during a "playoff game" would be terrible.
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Did the SEC recently mandate all their teams play a P5 OOC every year or was that just a rumor/future thing?
Yes, not sure when it goes into effect tho. There was an ESPN article about teams blowing up the phone lines trying to get a game scheduled against KU. :frown:
I would love to play Florida, LSU, Tennessee, Mississippi, Missouri, A&M, even Alabama.
i would not love to play Arkansas, Kentucky, Georgia, Miss St, Vanderbilt, South Carolina
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but mostly Florida. man, can you imagine? The Swamp! :love:
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mocat why on Earth would we wanna play A&M? Been there done that.
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I'll always and forever want 16 teams
11 confy champs
5 at-large
Home-field advantage for higher seed through to title game
Title game = neutral site.
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Limit reg season to 11 games + confy champ game is confy has one. If confy doesnt have champ game they get extra rego season game.
If 5 at-large teams dilutes reg. season too much, then have less at-large, and give byes to top seeded teams.
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will agree if confirmed first round is home game for higher seed.
Disagree. There will be specific venues ready for which conference has the higher seed. For example if the Big 12 champ is the higher seed, the game is played in Cowboy stadium, if the SEC it's Atlanta, ACC it's Jacksonville, Big Ten it's Indianapolis, Pac 12 it's Rose Bowl. If the higher seed is a non Power 5 (like ND) then the game will be played at the pre-determined flex-location (let's say tied with a bowl so Fiesta).
I would like something where the higher seed can pick between two conference venues. I'd hate to be matched up against a&m someday at cowboy stadium. Would much prefer arrowhead.
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I'll always and forever want 16 teams
11 confy champs
5 at-large
Home-field advantage for higher seed through to title game
Title game = neutral site.
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Limit reg season to 11 games + confy champ game is confy has one. If confy doesnt have champ game they get extra rego season game.
If 5 at-large teams dilutes reg. season too much, then have less at-large, and give byes to top seeded teams.
That sounds sexual. Is that how D2 does it?
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I'll always and forever want 16 teams
11 confy champs
5 at-large
Home-field advantage for higher seed through to title game
Title game = neutral site.
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Limit reg season to 11 games + confy champ game is confy has one. If confy doesnt have champ game they get extra rego season game.
If 5 at-large teams dilutes reg. season too much, then have less at-large, and give byes to top seeded teams.
The 8-team playoff has been getting a ton of traction and seems inevitable, but I really like this concept of a 16-team playoff more. Gives a real possibility of Cinderella stories (which up to this point has honestly been impossible for smaller schools in FBS football). Also, removes a lot of the Committee's ability to screw things up. Just hope it happens during my lifetime.
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mocat why on Earth would we wanna play A&M? Been there done that.
you're right. what about Florida tho!? :excited:
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mocat why on Earth would we wanna play A&M? Been there done that.
you're right. what about Florida tho!? :excited:
yeah that sounds fun. Tennessee would be fun too
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yeah that sounds fun. Tennessee would be fun too
would be fun times with @leecrowe :love:
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8 teams
Champs from the Power 5
Highest ranked team from non-Power 5
Two wildcard (two highest ranked remaining teams, but they both cannot be from the same conference)
This means the most a conference can get into the playoffs is 2 teams. Everyone gets a chance. I don't care if this means a Marshall-ish team gets in, if a power 5 team wanted in they should have won their conference.
This above is the recipe for a proper playoff in college football.
My respect for you has climbed immensely! This is what they should have done before locking this 4 game playoff in for 12 years. :frown:
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Questions:
Chings doesn't 3 neutral site games seem like a lot for the 2 that make the 'ship?
Can we then just ban altogether playing FCS teams? I'm getting tired of that. Especially these November SEC games. There's no reason for Alabama to be playing West Carolina this weekend.
Basically, I'd like SOME form of universal schedule requirements across college football. Like, no more FCS teams.
Clock stopping on 1st down is kinda pointless. Let's get rid of it.
I didn't think of you as one, but now I'm convinced; you my friend is now known as a FOOTBALL RADICAL! :surprised:
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ESPN says Coaches want 8.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11915335/fbs-coaches-prefer-eight-team-playoff-espn-poll-shows
To be fair, this is mostly a commish of a crapty confy (ACC) doing the talking.
Also, we already have a thread on this (with some curious responses).
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9007.msg190694#msg190694
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please dont let tennessee do to "turn down for what" what ou does to "boomer sooner"