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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: WonderMeal on November 08, 2014, 10:47:15 PM
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Looking at the numbers, who would you rather have on your team? Humor your old pal WonderMeal here.
Edit: added rushing yards and corrected a typo.
Double Edit: added rushing TDs.
Quarterback A
Comp/Att: 105/176
CMP%: 59.7%
Pass Yds: 1198
YPA: 6.81
TD/INT ratio: 1:1
Rating: 122.0
Rushing Yds: 313
Avg rush: 3.0
Rush TD: 7
Quarterback B
Comp/Att: 38/53
CMP%: 71.7%
Pass Yds: 452
YPA: 8.53
TD/INT ratio: 1:1
Rating: 153.1
Rushing Yds: 807
Avg/rush: 5.3
Rush TDs: 11
Quarterback C
Comp/Att: 54/136
CMP%: 39.7
Pass Yds: 855
YPA: 6.3
TD/INT ratio: 1:2
Rating: 90.5
Rushing Yds: 643
Avg/rush: 4.5
Rush TD: 9
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You're hardly my old pal, but Quarterback B
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deceptive
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I don't feel like 8.53% passing yards is a lot tho
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Needs more review.
Would like to see what's their yards on the ground as well.
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Hey whatsup old pal? We should catch up while you buy me a beer. :cheers:
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I go with the eye test personally
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I choose whichever one is Trevone Boykin. Dgaf about stats. Complete stud. Best QB this conference has seen since Cozart.
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I go with the eye test personally
Assume all three pass The Eye Test.
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Looking at the numbers, who would you rather have on your team? Humor your old pal WonderMeal here.
Edit: added rushing yards and corrected a typo.
Quarterback A
Comp/Att: 105/176
CMP%: 59.7%
Pass Yds: 1198
YPA: 6.81
TD/INT ratio: 1:1
Rating: 122.0
Rushing Yds: 313
Avg rush: 3.0
Quarterback B
Comp/Att: 38/53
CMP%: 71.7%
Pass Yds: 452
YPA: 8.53
TD/INT ratio: 1:1
Rating: 153.1
Rushing Yds: 807
Avg/rush: 5.3
Quarterback C
Comp/Att: 54/136
CMP%: 39.7
Pass Yds: 855
YPA: 6.3
TD/INT ratio: 1:2
Rating: 90.5
Rushing Yds: 643
Avg/rush: 4.5
rushing TD numbers or GTFO
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UPdog is my go to in times like these.
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Using TD:INT Ratio is intentionally deceptive.
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Using TD:INT Ratio is intentionally deceptive.
It wasn't meant to be deceptive.
QB A: 7 TDs, 7 INT
QB B: 4 TDs, 4 INT
QB C: 4 TDs, 8 INT
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Against what kind of competition?
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Same league.
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How many bailouts did each qb receive?
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Lotta 'fraidy 'Cats in this thread afraid to commit to one of three QBs who had very similar situations.
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I'll take the one who's gonna win the conference.
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Lotta 'fraidy 'Cats in this thread afraid to commit to one of three QBs who had very similar situations.
No, they're all good.
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B is clearly the best of the 3, especially if I am playing dudes that walked on at Butler at safety in a passing league
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I'll take #4.
Gonna win 'em all!
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Abraham Lincoln
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You can just tell WonderMeal is waitingto drop what he thinks will be some earth-shattering hammer to try to prove that Daniel Sams would've been the goat but irl no one will care because Trevone Boykin is clearly the best and we all saw that tonight.
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Bet Boykin is getting in some serious boinkin' tonight.
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QB B
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I'd take B based upon those stats.
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All three QBs had similar situations:
-Big XII QBs
-Sophomores
-Primarily seen as running QBs, competing for job with QBs primarily seen as throwing QBs
-Swag level: 5000
QB A was Trevone Boykin as a sophomore competing against Casey Pachchalachall, QB B was Daniel Sams as a sophomore competing against Jake Waters, and QB C was Ell Roberson competing against Marc Dunn.
If Sams had been given the job as a sophomore like Ell and Boykin, would he have grown to the same caliber of QB as Boykin this year or Ell next year? Obviously it's impossible to tell, but given that Sams's stats were comparable or better than the other two QBs at the same point in their careers, it isn't out of the question.
The fact that LHCBS and Co. gave up on Sams so that we could go to the BWW Bowl in 2013, a similar bowl in 2014, and have no QB in 2015 when we have a pretty stout defense and zero proven-stud receivers returning is absolutely mind-boggling. Sams was a comparable short-term play to Waters in 2013 (we probably finish with about the same record both last year and this year) and a way better long-term play. He could have been another Ell, maybe even a better Ell. Why wouldn't we suffer through some growing pains for that?
(This is not an anti-Waters post. It's a pro-OurGuy post.)
Sophomore Boykin
Comp/Att: 105/176
CMP%: 59.7%
Pass Yds: 1198
YPA: 6.81
TD/INT: 7:7
Rating: 122.0
Rushing Yds: 313
Avg rush: 3.0
Sophomore #OurGuy
Comp/Att: 38/53
CMP%: 71.7%
Pass Yds: 452
YPA: 8.53
TD/INT: 4:4
Rating: 153.1
Rushing Yds: 807
Avg/rush: 5.3
Sophomore Ell
Comp/Att: 54/136
CMP%: 39.7
Pass Yds: 855
YPA: 6.3
TD/INT: 4:8
Rating: 90.5
Rushing Yds: 643
Avg/rush: 4.5
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What a twist!
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Probably A
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Sams is not and would not have ever been as good as waters. Hubener would have beat him out next year. Let it go.
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Against FCS competition Sams is completing 47% of his passes for 6.4 ypa. He splits time at QB. The delusion needs to stop.
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Sams can't throw
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Sams can't throw
Neither could Boykin
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Sams can't throw
Neither could Boykin
:cry:
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Sams can't throw
Neither could Boykin
Neither could ell
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Sams can't throw
Neither could Boykin
Neither could ell
Neither could Marshal. That's probably why Auburn didn't win the MNC last year. :D
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The offensive coordinators at TCU deserve the COY. Remarkable job.
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Flawed premise imo.
Boykin wasn't given the job as a sophomore. Pachall's 2012 suspension forced him into action over a couple of redshirt freshmen and some other dude who transferred. Then Boykin lost his job to Pachall in 2013 until he got hurt, when Pachall came back from injury he took the job again. We all know Boykin played all over the field.
Boykin earned the starting job this season and has done well.
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Ell didn't just waltz into the starting job as a sophomore either. I would say that Waters is better than Dunn was, but he's also got better targets as well. Waters is a better runner than Dunn ever was.
When Lockett and Thompson were injured or had eye-hernias last year it was Sams getting a majority of the snaps and running all over the place like Roberson did for a lot of that season. When the targets came back Waters slowly took over.
We all saw that Roberson didn't have the 2002 spot locked up even as far as the USC game, which I believe Dunn started. Daniel never even made it that far. His value as a runner would have been increased this year at qb or wherever he was lined up. He gave WR a shot like Boykin, but decided to leave.
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I'm not saying I completely disagree with you. It's likely that Daniel could have been something really special at K-State in 2015. Hell, he would have been a huge help to this years team. But don't sit there and act like these other guys were given the keys to the kingdom and allowed to learn on the go their whole careers.