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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: MakeItRain on September 04, 2014, 11:57:46 PM
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:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: $15/hour :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: get the eff outta here
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:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: $15/hour :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: get the eff outta here
FWIW, I like fast food.
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:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: $15/hour :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: get the eff outta here
I like it when I can agree with MIR on something. :cheers:
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Man, that would piss me off. Who do they think they are? I made half that as a pup. :curse:
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this is very rough math, but
average salary out of college: 45,000
divided by twelve months: 3,750 per month
let's say that person works 180 hours per month (again, rough math)
3,750 / 180 = $20.83/hr
so fast food workers should make 75% of what college grads make?
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this is very rough math, but
average salary out of college: 45,000
divided by twelve months: 3,750 per month
let's say that person works 180 hours per month (again, rough math)
3,750 / 180 = $20.83/hr
so fast food workers should make 75% of what college grads make?
Yes. I did the same math in my head. So redic.
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How much should they make? Minimum wage across the board?
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How much should they make? Minimum wage across the board?
Not sure, but not $15. $10? I know some college grads that start out at that too.
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How much should they make? Minimum wage across the board?
Sounds about right
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Maybe they should work their way up to that amount instead of having it handed to them. #Merica
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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fast-food-worker-strikes-arent-what-they-appear-to-be-2014-09-04?page=1
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i'm all for fast food people and all humans in general making as much as they can make.
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You would have to pay me more than I currently earn to get me to work fast food. Isn't capitalism a funny thing?
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Thanks obama
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i'm all for fast food people and all humans in general making as much as they can make.
Yeah, I'm for people exercising their first amendment rights, too. Sucks for them if they get fired though.
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Fast food made to order.
http://momentummachines.com/#product
How many workers will this machine eliminate?
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Flipping burgers and dunking fries in hot grease is not meant to be a career. If that's all your capable of achieving, maybe the US just isn't for you.
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How much should they make? Minimum wage across the board?
The market will dictate that.
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How much should they make? Minimum wage across the board?
The market will dictate that.
Is a mass protest considered a market force?
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Many of these folks would be out of a job if they got their wish.
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How much should they make? Minimum wage across the board?
The market will dictate that.
Is a mass protest considered a market force?
No
Many of these folks would be out of a job if they got their wish.
But this is
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How much should they make? Minimum wage across the board?
The market will dictate that.
Is a mass protest considered a market force?
No
Why not?
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How much should they make? Minimum wage across the board?
The market will dictate that.
Is a mass protest considered a market force?
there are several million people out of work that can handle their job.
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How much should they make? Minimum wage across the board?
The market will dictate that.
Is a mass protest considered a market force?
there are several million people out of work that can handle their job.
it's not who CAN, but who WOULD. if the demand for workers exceeds supply of willing workers because of all this, then they will be forced to raise wages. so, yes, a market force.
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what i'm saying is my opinion that a minimum wage of 15 bucks for fast food workers is ridiculous means nothing.
if this effectively drives up their wages then why shouldn't they do it?
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what i'm saying is my opinion that a minimum wage of 15 bucks for fast food workers is ridiculous means nothing.
if this effectively drives up their wages then why shouldn't they do it?
Many of these folks would be out of a job if they got their wish.
^a potential reason
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How much should they make? Minimum wage across the board?
The market will dictate that.
Is a mass protest considered a market force?
there are several million people out of work that can handle their job.
it's not who CAN, but who WOULD. if the demand for workers exceeds supply of willing workers because of all this, then they will be forced to raise wages. so, yes, a market force.
More people WOULD if we didn't pay them to sit on the couch and eat Doritos.
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I honestly have not heard a single person say that this is a good idea (other than soundbites from protesters).
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How much should they make? Minimum wage across the board?
The market will dictate that.
Is a mass protest considered a market force?
No
Why not?
Because there's many, many people that can replace them
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How much should they make? Minimum wage across the board?
The market will dictate that.
Is a mass protest considered a market force?
No
Why not?
Because there's many, many people that can replace them
Yeah I wasn't just referring to this specific protest. Are you saying protests can never be considered market forces?
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How much should they make? Minimum wage across the board?
The market will dictate that.
Is a mass protest considered a market force?
No
Why not?
Because there's many, many people that can replace them
Yeah I wasn't just referring to this specific protest. Are you saying protests can never be considered market forces?
For unskilled labor, it will only work during a growing economy with very low unemployment (actual low unemployment, not the numbers they use now).
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How much should they make? Minimum wage across the board?
The market will dictate that.
Is a mass protest considered a market force?
No
Why not?
Because there's many, many people that can replace them
Yeah I wasn't just referring to this specific protest. Are you saying protests can never be considered market forces?
Here's an example, it really was the best news story of the summer but it was underreported.
http://www.boston.com/business/extra/market-basket
It was a market force because it involved employees, customers, & suppliers. This fast food thing it's actually a little sad because I think these protesters are being exploited and no one will get behind them.
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Sure, protests can be a market force, if they are well organized enough to hurt the coporations, then go for it.
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"On June 19, 2013, Bloomberg published an article I wrote called “The Capitalist’s Case for a $15 Minimum Wage.” Forbes labeled it “Nick Hanauer’s near insane” proposal. And yet, just weeks after it was published, my friend David Rolf, a Service Employees International Union organizer, roused fast-food workers to go on strike around the country for a $15 living wage. Nearly a year later, the city of Seattle passed a $15 minimum wage. And just 350 days after my article was published, Seattle Mayor Ed Murray signed that ordinance into law. How could this happen, you ask?
It happened because we reminded the masses that they are the source of growth and prosperity, not us rich guys. We reminded them that when workers have more money, businesses have more customers—and need more employees. We reminded them that if businesses paid workers a living wage rather than poverty wages, taxpayers wouldn’t have to make up the difference. And when we got done, 74 percent of likely Seattle voters in a recent poll agreed that a $15 minimum wage was a swell idea.
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Most of you probably think that the $15 minimum wage in Seattle is an insane departure from rational policy that puts our economy at great risk. But in Seattle, our current minimum wage of $9.32 is already nearly 30 percent higher than the federal minimum wage. And has it ruined our economy yet? Well, trickle-downers, look at the data here: The two cities in the nation with the highest rate of job growth by small businesses are San Francisco and Seattle. Guess which cities have the highest minimum wage? San Francisco and Seattle. The fastest-growing big city in America? Seattle. Fifteen dollars isn’t a risky untried policy for us. It’s doubling down on the strategy that’s already allowing our city to kick your city’s ass."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014.html#.VAspnfldWVM
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San Fran and Seattle are also home to some of the biggest companies in the country. Also, not sure I'm seeing the causation link btwn min wage and small business growth.
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I'm pretty sure $15/hr in Seattle/San Francisco translates to the $7.25/hr in Kansas. Dude conveniently leaves out cost of living.
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I honestly have not heard a single person say that this is a good idea (other than soundbites from protesters).
If you believe that minimum wage should be a wage which is marked to meet the base line requirements for living in America there is no denying that its rate needs to be increased based on simple costs of living increases.
If you believe that corporations shouldn't rely on government handouts to meet the baseline requirements for living in America the wage needs to be increased.
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San Fran and Seattle are also home to some of the biggest companies in the country. Also, not sure I'm seeing the causation link btwn min wage and small business growth.
The more that money in circulation is in the hands of people who actually spend it (i.e., the lower & middle classes), the more it actually gets spent on goods and services (the basis in which our economy thrives). Thus, a significant portion would most likely be directed toward small(er) businesses who don't just offer sub-quality and dollar-cheap items (add in the effect of a growing disdain for big box stores).
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San Fran and Seattle are also home to some of the biggest companies in the country. Also, not sure I'm seeing the causation link btwn min wage and small business growth.
I think the link being made is that it didn't lead to small business death that some predicted
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San Fran and Seattle are also home to some of the biggest companies in the country. Also, not sure I'm seeing the causation link btwn min wage and small business growth.
I think the link being made is that it didn't lead to small business death that some predicted
There's no data supporting that though, at least none shown here. Now make no mistake I'm for a minimum wage increase, but $15/hr is absurd, just as absurd too assume what worked economically in Seattle and San Francisco would work in Dayton, Huntsville, Fresno, or Richmond. Seattle and SFO, Demographically and economically is nothing like most off this country.
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"On June 19, 2013, Bloomberg published an article I wrote called “The Capitalist’s Case for a $15 Minimum Wage.” Forbes labeled it “Nick Hanauer’s near insane” proposal. And yet, just weeks after it was published, my friend David Rolf, a Service Employees International Union organizer, roused fast-food workers to go on strike around the country for a $15 living wage. Nearly a year later, the city of Seattle passed a $15 minimum wage. And just 350 days after my article was published, Seattle Mayor Ed Murray signed that ordinance into law. How could this happen, you ask?
It happened because we reminded the masses that they are the source of growth and prosperity, not us rich guys. We reminded them that when workers have more money, businesses have more customers—and need more employees. We reminded them that if businesses paid workers a living wage rather than poverty wages, taxpayers wouldn’t have to make up the difference. And when we got done, 74 percent of likely Seattle voters in a recent poll agreed that a $15 minimum wage was a swell idea.
...
Most of you probably think that the $15 minimum wage in Seattle is an insane departure from rational policy that puts our economy at great risk. But in Seattle, our current minimum wage of $9.32 is already nearly 30 percent higher than the federal minimum wage. And has it ruined our economy yet? Well, trickle-downers, look at the data here: The two cities in the nation with the highest rate of job growth by small businesses are San Francisco and Seattle. Guess which cities have the highest minimum wage? San Francisco and Seattle. The fastest-growing big city in America? Seattle. Fifteen dollars isn’t a risky untried policy for us. It’s doubling down on the strategy that’s already allowing our city to kick your city’s ass."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014.html#.VAspnfldWVM
maybe the crap cleaner uppers should get $15/hr
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"On June 19, 2013, Bloomberg published an article I wrote called “The Capitalist’s Case for a $15 Minimum Wage.” Forbes labeled it “Nick Hanauer’s near insane” proposal. And yet, just weeks after it was published, my friend David Rolf, a Service Employees International Union organizer, roused fast-food workers to go on strike around the country for a $15 living wage. Nearly a year later, the city of Seattle passed a $15 minimum wage. And just 350 days after my article was published, Seattle Mayor Ed Murray signed that ordinance into law. How could this happen, you ask?
It happened because we reminded the masses that they are the source of growth and prosperity, not us rich guys. We reminded them that when workers have more money, businesses have more customers—and need more employees. We reminded them that if businesses paid workers a living wage rather than poverty wages, taxpayers wouldn’t have to make up the difference. And when we got done, 74 percent of likely Seattle voters in a recent poll agreed that a $15 minimum wage was a swell idea.
...
Most of you probably think that the $15 minimum wage in Seattle is an insane departure from rational policy that puts our economy at great risk. But in Seattle, our current minimum wage of $9.32 is already nearly 30 percent higher than the federal minimum wage. And has it ruined our economy yet? Well, trickle-downers, look at the data here: The two cities in the nation with the highest rate of job growth by small businesses are San Francisco and Seattle. Guess which cities have the highest minimum wage? San Francisco and Seattle. The fastest-growing big city in America? Seattle. Fifteen dollars isn’t a risky untried policy for us. It’s doubling down on the strategy that’s already allowing our city to kick your city’s ass."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014.html#.VAspnfldWVM
maybe the crap cleaner uppers should get $15/hr
They make much more than that already, afaik.
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It was a market force because it involved employees, customers, & suppliers. This fast food thing it's actually a little sad because I think these protesters are being exploited and no one will get behind them.
yeah, people are very angry and/or laughing at them. very mean.
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They are being used by the SEIU to try and bolster their dwindling rank & file. The people being arrested aren't even fast food workers, they are professional protesters hire by or members of SEIU.
https://www.uschamber.com/blog/who-s-behind-fast-food-protests (https://www.uschamber.com/blog/who-s-behind-fast-food-protests)
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They are being used by the SEIU to try and bolster their dwindling rank & file. The people being arrested aren't even fast food workers, they are professional protesters hire by or members of SEIU.
https://www.uschamber.com/blog/who-s-behind-fast-food-protests (https://www.uschamber.com/blog/who-s-behind-fast-food-protests)
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fast-food-worker-strikes-arent-what-they-appear-to-be-2014-09-04?page=1
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You would have to pay me more than I currently earn to get me to work fast food. Isn't capitalism a funny thing?
These people should just do your job then.
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It was a market force because it involved employees, customers, & suppliers. This fast food thing it's actually a little sad because I think these protesters are being exploited and no one will get behind them.
yeah, people are very angry and/or laughing at them. very mean.
Hilarious. I think what SEIU is doing is just slightly more exploitative than random people on a message board pointing out how absurd their strikes are.